[Request] Please Suspend Housing Demolition for NA

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

+1, do not forget this did it for japan, so not doing it shows a favoritism.

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Implying that there already isn't any favoritism. Oh my sweet summer child.

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Originally Posted by Aronys

Implying that there already isn't any favoritism. Oh my sweet summer child.

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Lets try to make it less obvious shall we? no i was not implying that.

It's not a bad idea , only the fact everywhere in the world are nature disaters every month. In another words do they need to do this every time ?

I think the last thing victims are worried about is there ingame houses. Some lost everything and need to build up from zero. People are more busy to get there feet on the ground and helping friends and family.

In my eyes some people here only using the storm as a excuse to leave the game and not lose there house. Its kinda sickening.

Just a thought, for those trying to use the "they did it for Japan" justification.

Japan had no prior warning for the earthquake. Kind of makes it a huge difference. After all, people could actually log on prior to Harvey or Irma. It's not as if the news channels weren't talking about each of them a full week before they actually hit.

I'm from the UK and haven't been affected by this but I think it's a good idea and I fully support it. I'm actually sickened by some of the responses on this thread - I get that some people may not agree, that's fine, but to go to the extent to say that people's priorities are out of whack and that they need to get a reality check is harsh. I'm not sure whether the OP has been affected directly or indirectly, but they are showing empathy for the people that have been affected. It's called compassion, which some of you obviously don't have...

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Originally Posted by Kelani

It's called compassion, which some of you obviously don't have...

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So how often would you suggest delaying aspects of the game?

Disasters (natural and otherwise) strike all around the world, all the time.

Would you suggest that they delay things, for example, when there are terrorist attacks in cities like Nice, in case some of those people were FFXIV gamers?

What if a tornado hits some cities in Oklahoma?

Just how large-scale does a disaster have to be before we "lack compassion" for daring to suggest that we move on with aspects of the game?

I don't think it's a "lack of compassion" to suggest to stay on schedule for something of this scale. While I do indeed feel sorry for those affected by the weather, to suggest it's not a very localized issue displays a lack of understanding of the scope of both disasters (Harvey and Irma).

I don't mind people disagreeing with the disagreements for delaying auto-demolish, but to suggest that it's a "lack of compassion" does rather infuriate me.

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

So how often would you suggest delaying aspects of the game?

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To auto-demos? All the time. Basically do away with them for good. I know that congested servers exist, and the Greg server alone can expect everything to be sold out within five minutes of Shiro opening, but that should not be an excuse for punishing people who cannot afford to play--whether financially or via time or energy due to real life issues--for a few months. It shouldn't disregard disasters that, yes, happen all over the world, all the time, and all to varying degrees.

It happens. A friend of mine was away from the game for a while due to being in and out of surgery--most of that being his doctor's fault--and entering his house was not on his short list of things to do when he got back online finally. So then his house demolished before he finally felt up to teleport to his place that he and his girlfriend had taken care of for quite some time. [/cont'd]

(Also, the person who bought the plot from underneath them within a couple minutes turned out to not really care for the plot or the Goblet both, but was happy just to have a plot at all).

Some of us, also, are compassionate enough to say, "Hey, the auto-demos aren't appropriate at this time," let alone want people to be able to keep their in-game homes when they're able to return, rather than be reminded that they lost a real life home by the loss of a digital one. You know?

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

Just a thought, for those trying to use the "they did it for Japan" justification.

Japan had no prior warning for the earthquake. Kind of makes it a huge difference. After all, people could actually log on prior to Harvey or Irma. It's not as if the news channels weren't talking about each of them a full week before they actually hit.

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I'm going to answer as if you just are missing some crucial information here because as you said later.. you aren't lacking compassion.

Hurricane preparation: Board up windows. Secure loose belongings. Stock enough non perishable food and water for 2-4 weeks (and for your pets if you have them). Make sure you have first aid and all medicines for 6 weeks. Fill vehicle gas tanks. Make sure you have clean and temperature appropriate clothes and packable bedding. Check evacuation plans and make sure everyone in your family is aware of them as well. Have a plan in case you get separated. stock up on batteries and a portable radio.
Nobody hears that there is a hurricane coming and immediately thinks they better login to their game to reset the house timer.

We are suggesting, that since these disasters are more than Statewide (and florida is a pretty darn big state, along with Cuba and Texas) in highly populated areas, that some consideration to pausing this mechanic to allow these people something nice to come back to.

YES, it would be nice if there were pauses in this mechanic everytime a category 5 hurricane makes landfall in a densely populated area, not to mention the huge wildfires on the east coast. I understand if they can't. I also understand people don't want to wait for shirogane (totally get it, I'm excited too). But telling people they should have planned for this and regardless of their losses you still want your chance at a virtual house? That's pretty cold don't you think?


I have no stake here, I own a house but am in NO danger currently of losing access to it and have payed for my sub well into the next year. I own multiple computers and have contacts all over the place I could utilize to make sure I have access.

This is something nice that could be done for these people, I'm surprised people are against it.

This won't ever happen for NA players. All I can say if your house is going to be Demolished ask a friend to possibly hold it for you.

Only JP players get the luxury to have auto-demo suspended.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

To auto-demos? All the time.

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Well, I specifically meant regarding disasters. And although I disagree with the removal of auto-demos (unless they can put in another system where housing would be available to those of us that weren't here at the start), at least you're not saying it's because a "lack of compassion."

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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Preparation: I grew up in Florida. Been there, done that. We still had more than 5 minutes of spare time before, during, and after prep. This argument is irrelevant.

Scope: Sorry, but I'm not quite sure you know what you are talking about here. Hell, even some of my FC members *in* Florida were online last night. It's QUITE localized, certainly not statewide. The Harvey destruction was also quite localized.

Category: You do realize that it made landfall as a Cat 4 and was quickly downgraded to Cat 3, right? Just saying, because you seem to have worded it as if it hit as a Cat 5.

"Telling people they should have planned for this..."--I think this is arguing for the delay of Shirogane, not the delay of auto-demolish, so I don't see the relevance. But I'll address it anyways--by the time 4.1 comes out, I'm quite certain that the overwhelming majority of the chaos caused by the storm will be addressed in one fashion or another. Having lived through quite a few hurricanes myself, I'd be surprised if Florida suddenly went backwards and didn't realize how to deal with the aftermath. Therefore, I would have to say "No, I don't think it's cold at all."

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Just to make it clear, though; although I'm opposed to the idea of the delay, what really grinds my gears is the people saying "zOMG you're HEARTLESS if you don't agree!" I could still live with it if they did decide to delay it, just don't think it's a particularly good idea.

So... who decides which natural catastrophy or even war and destruction qualifies for a pause in auto demolition? If something like this happens in a third world country, do the timers stop? There's constant war in the Middle East and people lose homes all the time due to it, some may even be players. Do we stop it for them too? Or is it only convenient to stop it when it's Japan and USA? There were fires in Europe this past summer too, my own country's coast was in flames and towns were almost wiped out because of it, they're still fighting some of the fires there. Where was the pause then? Or is the rest of the world not important enough because we don't have as many players as Japan and NA do?

I'm sorry that the hurricane hit you, and that you have fires on the other side of the country, but... like... hurricanes happen every year, it's called hurricane season for a reason. Do we stop the timer every year because something somewhere could inconvenience someone? If we do that, then the timers would never even start, if we would pause it for every single disaster that hits anywhere in the world. If there's an earthquake in South America, which doesn't have as many players as NA, do we stop it then or would the people in NA not like that?

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have :(.

@Aronys
You are totally right.

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Originally Posted by Jxnibbles

This won't ever happen for NA players. All I can say if your house is going to be Demolished ask a friend to possibly hold it for you.

Only JP players get the luxury to have auto-demo suspended.

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*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .
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Originally Posted by Sarteck

Well, I specifically meant regarding disasters. And although I disagree with the removal of auto-demos (unless they can put in another system where housing would be available to those of us that weren't here at the start), at least you're not saying it's because a "lack of compassion."


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Just to make it clear, though; although I'm opposed to the idea of the delay, what really grinds my gears is the people saying "zOMG you're HEARTLESS if you don't agree!" I could still live with it if they did decide to delay it, just don't think it's a particularly good idea.

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Irrelevant to you, in your experience. Not everyone has the presence of mind to think of their virtual world first. For those that swap to real concerns first, even 5 minutes of logging into a game doesn't even cross their minds.

Cat 5 landing on Cuba. then it worked up florida. I am not only advocating for the U.S.A. Theres a few places that got hit.


There are parts of each state that were untouched, true. But as I also said, those are big states. It's not an insignificant part of each state that was affected. Large swaths were evacuated. The destruction wasn't minimal and there were also people who took the opportunity to loot which did just as much damage as the storm.

I am not arguing for shirogane, though I can concede you may read it that way. October is far away and as long as nothing more happens.. (one more hurricane out there *knock on wood*) they SHOULD be back on track soon. Or at least the majority should be underway. But some places were hit hard, and some non hurricane disasters are still going : http://projects.oregonlive.com/wildf...4.190/-120.700 . It has been a really shitty month for a lot of people. I don't want people to miss out of the new area because they needed to deal with acts of god (or teenagers with matches). BUT I get that the rest of the world has been waiting too. My main argument is for the housing demo delay, its a small thing that would mean one less worry for a lot of people.

Knowing what to do, and the actual process's timetable aren't very well correlated. Sure you know how to clean up , but the process of hauling away debris, cleaning up flooding damage and rebuilding has time constraints and manpower constraints. When you get a few cities worth of destruction to deal with, resources get stretched thin. I work for a major utility in my state, after we had a hurricane blow through (minor one) , some people were without power for weeks simply because there weren't enough workers to get to it all quickly enough.

I'm surprised at the amount of people arguing against such a small thing that would affect them so very little (demo pause).

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Originally Posted by Aronys

So... who decides which natural catastrophy or even war and destruction qualifies for a pause in auto demolition? If something like this happens in a third world country, do the timers stop? There's constant war in the Middle East and people lose homes all the time due to it, some may even be players. Do we stop it for them too? Or is it only convenient to stop it when it's Japan and USA? There were fires in Europe this past summer too, my own country's coast was in flames and towns were almost wiped out because of it, they're still fighting some of the fires there. Where was the pause then? Or is the rest of the world not important enough because we don't have as many players as Japan and NA do?

I'm sorry that the hurricane hit you, and that you have fires on the other side of the country, but... like... hurricanes happen every year, it's called hurricane season for a reason. Do we stop the timer every year because something somewhere could inconvenience someone? If we do that, then the timers would never even start, if we would pause it for every single disaster that hits anywhere in the world. If there's an earthquake in South America, which doesn't have as many players as NA, do we stop it then or would the people in NA not like that?

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I doubt very much that anyone in the war torn parts of the middle east has time or money to play video games or that they could imagine something frivolous like NOT worrying about not getting shot or where they're going to get food from tomorrow.

Where was the pause? Did you post a thread asking for it? Did people argue against it if you did? Those people are jerks! I would have thrown my vote in for you wholeheartedly.

Why in the world would I be opposed to halting such a small thing for other countries/areas? GO AHEAD, but what most of us in this thread are suggesting is a gesture from SE to the people affected by recent unusually large disasters hitting many areas at once. The rest of us lose very little if all they do is pause the Demo timer. I understand the outcry at the suggestion of delaying shirogane, though I feel that is a little selfish to argue AGAINST, I don't expect people to be all that altruistic (and nobody HAS to be) so I wasn't surprised at that.

Do you want them to quantify the affected player limit for pausing the demo timer? Do you want to hear "sorry, you're not part of japan so no!". This isn't about hard numbers or passing a threshold of some type, it's about suggesting a gesture of kindness to people in a time of need while also spending very little actual money and time on it. It's a small thing that would mean something to these people.


Shit does happen everyday to many people, this doesn't mean we should never do anything about it. Someone suggested a nice thing and you wonder why people get a little prickly when you argue that you didn't get your bit, so they shouldn't get theirs?

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have :(.

@Aronys
You are totally right.



*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .
https://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/images/ff11/warning.png

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I'm surprised they didnt have a player warning in XIV. Though at the same im glad. It always anoyed me when i wanted to play XI lol

Hmm well if I were SE I'd bring this up to the overheads who'd bring it up to the core parent company overheads who'd take about a week to debate it at the next bulletin meeting who'd refer a lower position specialist to be responsible to lead the department responsible to conduct a minor investigation who'd submit a report at the next meeting and then there will be a formal procedure to discuss action and action will be discussed and then a summary of policy points will be relayed to the operating company who will conduct its own investigation which will tell it whether this is feasible or not from both current and past events and what impacts it will bring to the operation of the game in the future and then they will formulate an execution plan which will be summarized into the next main bulletin meeting which will be approved (conditionally) by the parent company which will then be assigned to the next update plan and then tentatively carried out.

By then this thread will have been up for about a month. So go nuts arguing here, if you will.

But if it was an earthquake in Japan, it'll probably go like this:

Producer phones higher-up at parent company responsible for this game. "How you doing, you ok with the earthquake? Ye, I understand, good to hear. Ye, I heard about it too. Mhm we know, we're suspending Titan release for sensitivity issues, you probably saw it in the last report. Oh oh, don't thank me, it's my job. Oh btw, some of our players got affected by the earthquake as well. Ye, it seems we should do something for them more personally too. Yes, of course we can do that, our game does stress interpersonal interaction more, that I understand, I'll personally write to them. Yes, we'll definitely do it. Ok, talk later."

Approval in less than an hour. Japanese efficiency for you. Only for Japanese earthquakes.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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Why do westerners think that anyone who isn't in a first world country is probably struggling to find food? What arrogance. I've been through a war, and I still played games.

Again, who decides when a distaster is big enough for a demo timer pause, and when it's not? A gesture is nice. But if they do one gesture, then everyone who have any hardships could expect that kind of gesture. Will they get it? Records say no. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the timers did stop for NA players, as Japan loves USA. On the other hand, if something happens somewhere else, I wouldn't bet on anything of the sort to happen. I may come off as salty or even cynical, but I'm speaking from experience. And records do show that kind of attitude towards the rest of the world. Now, imagine if the hurricane missed USA, but still wrecked the Carribbean. Would this thread exist? Of course not. Because people in those places don't have a sense of entitlement, as they're used to big countries not really caring about them. Heck, your own Puerto Rico got slammed last week and it took you guys until the hurricane reached Florida to start this thread. FYI, Puerto Rico is USA. So yeah, doubt there would be a thread if it was only Puerto Rico.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have :(.

@Aronys
You are totally right.



*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .
https://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/images/ff11/warning.png

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Exactky how did you come to the conclusion that this game is so important. Just because I stated players should ask friends to hold houses if things go bad for said players. ;Thinking;

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Originally Posted by Aronys

Heck, your own Puerto Rico got slammed last week and it took you guys until the hurricane reached Florida to start.

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Unless the hurricane was dropping PS4s and gaming PCs instead of rain before it hit full-on I don't think many people in Puerto Rico were playing this game there at that time.

More people live in Texas, Oregon, and Florida and more people play video games there. More people here know others that do. Houston specifically was going to host a big ff xiv event before it was cancelled before Harvey hit.

You are always very keen to talk down on others when issues like this come up but all that you ever really do is highlight your own lack of empathy and willingness to use the misfortune of others as a hollow talking point.

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Originally Posted by AmiBeau

Why on God's green Earth would you be worried about your in-game house if you were in fact, a victim of a natural disaster?

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Sometimes.. for mental stability.. You need ONE thing to anchor on. Something that CAN be in your "control" while the rest of your life is spinning out of control.

Same concept why people go out for a smoke break. That stability or mental vent to calm down etc.

To some people.. they lost their house, their pets. Now they come back to their online social community where they may find some peace.. only to learn they lost everything in the game too.

Easiest solution: your demolition timer only starts after your subscription ends. So the people who suddenly became preoccupied would know exactly when and how long they have before demolish. And generally if we have a subscription up we'll probably continue to have it up for some time. This provides leeway for people who actually need it. I'm not even asking SE to give extra subscription compensation time to people because they can't play the game. I'm just saying, if they're still paying ... you don't want to give them a reason to stop, eh. Please consider adding this rule and leeway for all future demolitions.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Shit does happen everyday to many people, this doesn't mean we should never do anything about it. Someone suggested a nice thing and you wonder why people get a little prickly when you argue that you didn't get your bit, so they shouldn't get theirs?

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Shit happens yes. Why not just go on with your life? No sane person will worry about their virtual houses when they are struck by disaster. Ingame houses are just bunch of pixels. Why bother? Real life is more important. And one thing to note, I don't own a house and not planning to get one, I'm just not overly attached to this game. Houses, glamours? Not interested. I'm just confused people make big deal of virtual houses.

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Originally Posted by RainesS

Shit happens yes. Why not just go on with your life? No sane person will worry about their virtual houses when they are struck by disaster. Ingame houses are just bunch of pixels. Why bother? Real life is more important. And one thing to note, I don't own a house and not planning to get one, I'm just not overly attached to this game. Houses, glamours? Not interested. I'm just confused people make big deal of virtual houses.

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Apparently Yoshi P felt that the JP player base would which is why it was suspended before for catastrophic events.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I'm surprised they didnt have a player warning in XIV. Though at the same im glad. It always anoyed me when i wanted to play XI lol

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1.0 did, they got rid of it with ARR. I kind of miss it.. Kind of.

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Originally Posted by RainesS

Shit happens yes. Why not just go on with your life? No sane person will worry about their virtual houses when they are struck by disaster. Ingame houses are just bunch of pixels. Why bother? Real life is more important. And one thing to note, I don't own a house and not planning to get one, I'm just not overly attached to this game. Houses, glamours? Not interested. I'm just confused people make big deal of virtual houses.

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Why do anything ? why keep eating, you'll just need food again! WHY DO YOU DO ANYTHING FOR ENJOYMENT!?!?


I'll say it for the .. 5th time this thread, its NOT about it being important, it's a little gesture to do SOMETHING for those affected. Nobody who's been heavily affected by these storms or the fire cares right now if their virtual properties are down. I'm betting it's the last thing on their minds. But when they come back in a month, maybe 2, wouldn't it be nice if their stuff was as they left it so at least something they enjoy didn't get wrecked?

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Originally Posted by Aronys

Why do westerners think that anyone who isn't in a first world country is probably struggling to find food? What arrogance. I've been through a war, and I still played games.

Again, who decides when a distaster is big enough for a demo timer pause, and when it's not? A gesture is nice. But if they do one gesture, then everyone who have any hardships could expect that kind of gesture. Will they get it? Records say no. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the timers did stop for NA players, as Japan loves USA. On the other hand, if something happens somewhere else, I wouldn't bet on anything of the sort to happen. I may come off as salty or even cynical, but I'm speaking from experience. And records do show that kind of attitude towards the rest of the world. Now, imagine if the hurricane missed USA, but still wrecked the Carribbean. Would this thread exist? Of course not. Because people in those places don't have a sense of entitlement, as they're used to big countries not really caring about them. Heck, your own Puerto Rico got slammed last week and it took you guys until the hurricane reached Florida to start this thread. FYI, Puerto Rico is USA. So yeah, doubt there would be a thread if it was only Puerto Rico.

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Do you live in the middle east? I don't. I hope I NEVER know what it's like. But what I have to go on are stories from my friends in the military and those who do contract work in those countries. They tell me it's a daily struggle to just get by for many locals. You know what I'm almost never going to have to worry about? Getting murdered for my religious beliefs or my sexual orientation. I have so many first world problems and none of them matter. All I have to go on is 2nd hand stories so I apologize if I offended someone who's actually been in a war. It's not arrogance, it's the fortune of not knowing. Have a little understanding on both sides. Sounds like you have some chips on your shoulder about being left out. I don't feel entitled. Once again I don't expect ANYTHING to happen. But would it not be nice if we could do something? This is a request. Not a demand or a whine. A request. I don't think we deserve this any more than any other group, but hey, why not ask? You need to ask for things to happen. To expect them to just happen because you want them to happen and then act "salty" when other people even ask for them is entitlement.

[QUOTE=Krotoan;4401382]Why do anything ? why keep eating, you'll just need food again! WHY DO YOU DO ANYTHING FOR ENJOYMENT!?!?

But when they come back in a month, maybe 2, wouldn't it be nice if their stuff was as they left it so at least something they enjoy didn't get wrecked?

Whoa, easy there dude. Eating is different from losing one virtual house. Can you live if you don't eat? Prob no. Will you die if you lose ingame house in rl? Positively no. You lose your ingame house and suddenly you can't enjoy this game anymore? Are you enjoying the houses or other in game activities? Can't enjoy this game? Find another thing that you enjoy. It's just a game, take it easy, the world will not end even if all the houses get wrecked at next calamity by the time the game ends its service.

I'll say it again.

You people going on calling those who disagree with this monsters who lack compassion for not agreeing with you (while at the same time trying to speak for other people) are really annoying.

Sure. Go ahead and bend over backwards to try and accommodate people that honestly don't need it, but you really need to stop with implying those of us who don't are horrible, evil monsters.

On a somewhat-related note, I love this game, but I want to KEEP it separated from real life. That's the reason I even play it in the first place. A few hurricanes is not the world-ending scenario you are trying to make it out to be, and there is literally no reason to delay auto-demolish.

Hell, do ANY of you even know someone who's slated to lose their house due to being unable to get online? I would bet dollars to pennies that you don't.

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

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You people going on calling those who disagree with this monsters who lack compassion for not agreeing with you (while at the same time trying to speak for other people) are really annoying.

Sure. Go ahead and bend over backwards to try and accommodate people that honestly don\\\\\\'t need it, but you really need to stop with implying those of us who don\\\\\\'t are horrible, evil monsters.

On a somewhat-related note, I love this game, but I want to KEEP it separated from real life. That\\\\\\'s the reason I even play it in the first place. A few hurricanes is not the world-ending scenario you are trying to make it out to be, and there is literally no reason to delay auto-demolish.

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Dont worry about it Sarteck. I think some people have a hard time seeing ingame and IRL as 2 different things.

The only reason this was done for Japan is that this is a Japanese company and most of the workers couldn't get to work for several reason such as helping others, being injured themselves, etc. I don't support putting off Shirogane and while suspending demo for a bit would be nice i doubt it will happen. Disasters happen all over the world not just her in the usa. It's hardly fair to give us what others don't get.

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Originally Posted by RainesS

Whoa, easy there dude. Eating is different from losing one virtual house. Can you live if you don't eat? Prob no. Will you die if you lose ingame house in rl? Positively no. You lose your ingame house and suddenly you can't enjoy this game anymore? Are you enjoying the houses or other in game activities? Can't enjoy this game? Find another thing that you enjoy. It's just a game, take it easy, the world will not end even if all the houses get wrecked at next calamity by the time the game ends its service.

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It was a hyperbolic to get a point across, why get invested in anything if it will just end is your argument. Because we pass our time the way we want to.
Yes this game will end, but this isn't a reason NOT to enjoy all it has and the services and experiences it offers are important to some people.

NO this isn't super important to real life. You keep saying that. I never said anyone was going to die or anyones world was going to end. I said it would be nice if this happens. It would make peoples days a little nicer if their stuff was still there when they finally got some time to get back to their favorite game. Its a little change and if it doesn't matter to you so much why even take an opposing viewpoint? You've even said you quit the game. Said you just come back for the forums.. it seems you just come back to be negative and tell others how they should think the game is worthless.

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Originally Posted by Sarteck

I'll say it again....
On a somewhat-related note, I love this game, but I want to KEEP it separated from real life. That's the reason I even play it in the first place. A few hurricanes is not the world-ending scenario you are trying to make it out to be, and there is literally no reason to delay auto-demolish.

Hell, do ANY of you even know someone who's slated to lose their house due to being unable to get online? I would bet dollars to pennies that you don't.

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literally: it would be nice is a reason. perhaps not a super solid reason. but it is a reason.


I personally know one person in texas who has flood damage and may or may not have time to get back online. They're dealing with their real problems right now and I'll probably offer to help if it goes on farther than 30 days. I also have 2 guildies who have houses who we haven't seen online since parts of florida lost power. No idea if they're OK. I hope they are.

no the world will not end. In half a year nobody will even remember this thread. Nobody said the world was ending. The naysayers keep saying that but nobody who wants this done has said it.
for the 7th time: This is something little and nice that could be done. We are requesting, politely and reasonably, if this could be considered.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Do you live in the middle east?

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No, but close enough and we had a war 20 years ago. Eastern Europe and we're always kinda forgotten by everyone lol. Like right now in the past 24 hours so much rain fell in my country that we're having massive floods, bridges are gone, houses are underwater and all, record breaking floods that haven't been seen since the 80s, yet all we got in the international news was a footnote on one of lesser known news sites. If the timer does stop, maybe we can stop it like once a year for everyone. A symbolic gesture. Christmas time would be nice, actually.

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Originally Posted by Aronys

No, but close enough and we had a war 20 years ago. Eastern Europe and we're always kinda forgotten by everyone lol. Like right now in the past 24 hours so much rain fell in my country that we're having massive floods, bridges are gone, houses are underwater and all, record breaking floods that haven't been seen since the 80s, yet all we got in the international news was a footnote on one of lesser known news sites. If the timer does stop, maybe we can stop it like once a year for everyone. A symbolic gesture. Christmas time would be nice, actually.

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This would be awesome if it would stop during times people usually go to visit family. I am sorry you are having horrendous weather, I'm all for spreading awareness since the news over here likes to pick and choose the most "sensational" stories. I'll check international news for details of the flooding.

When Spain catches fire, Italy is hit by an 8.1 earthquake, and Greece floods from severe storms all in the same two weeks then I would advocate for the EU servers to get a break.

Everyone seems focused on the hurricanes when Mexico was hit by a quake and parts of the Pacific Northwest and B.C. are little more than ash and smoke.

Nobody needs this, nobody is thinking about this, it isn't a priority for those people. But what harm will it do to us to save them a little something. Even if it is just pixels?

I don't think something should be done just because it is a nice thing to do.
Take a cancer patient, in and out of hospital for months on months, not being able to get online to get into their house because of how ill they are....it sure would be nice if they weren't penalised for being ill.
It sure would be nice for people who have lost their homes weren't penalised for it by losing their virtual homes as well.

But at the end of the day, FFXIV is a game, and a game is meant to be played. People who play the game are the ones that should get to experience the features of the game.
If you are not playing the game, whether it be by choice, by illness, by circumstance, you can't expect the game to be put on hold for everyone else, on the off chance that you come back to it.

I am not without compassion. I understand how awful it is to go through something that completely messes up your world, and to finally pick up the pieces only to find small things are no longer there.
I understand the sentiment that 'it's only fair' to help out the unfortunate - but it's not fair. It's not fair on those who have personal crises, it's not fair on those who were involved in distasters that weren't on a large enough scale to 'count', it's not fair on those who go out of their way to meet the requirements.
And no, I do not agree that just because they did it at one time in Japan (their own turf) that they are obligated or in any way 'have' to do it again for others. Sure it would be 'nice' - but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

Kinda surprised that nobody still didn't asked ironically to postponed the 4.1 update, because that wouldn't be fair for people unable to play for a long time who wanted to achieve the first world super savage and Shinryu ex kills.

That being said this kind of issue would not be a problem with instanced housing. Houses being demolished is a reason why even if i got the money for it, i feel less and less inclined to buy one. My appartment may be small, but at least i am assured to find it again in the state i leaved it.

I'm here safe in the Midwest and I think this is a good idea. There are a large number of people in North America and the Caribbean areas who are affected by natural disasters right now. It would be a nice gesture on SE's part.

In regards to demolition in general, I've never understood why they didn't implement a timer that started when your sub ended.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

That being said this kind of issue would not be a problem with instanced housing. Houses being demolished is a reason why even if i got the money for it, i feel less and less inclined to buy one. My appartment may be small, but at least i am assured to find it again in the state i leaved it.

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I doubt instanced housing would solve anything, from what they say the problem is to store the amount of data generated by each house (furniture position and stuff like that) and that is a thing that will always exist. For them to give unlimited houses they would have to make static houses (you can't change anything at all, or just one or two things, like choosing presets) and i doubt anyone would want that.

Actually wow's garrison that everyone loves to use as an example of unlimited houses were just like that, you could change a REALLY limited number of things on it. So it was obviously easy to implement it.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that anyone could be against this proposal. Why would you not want for people who lost their freaking homes to catch a small break in-game? O_o

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Kinda surprised that nobody still didn't asked ironically to postponed the 4.1 update, because that wouldn't be fair for people unable to play for a long time who wanted to achieve the first world super savage and Shinryu ex kills.

That being said this kind of issue would not be a problem with instanced housing. Houses being demolished is a reason why even if i got the money for it, i feel less and less inclined to buy one. My appartment may be small, but at least i am assured to find it again in the state i leaved it.

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That interrupts our own enjoyment. I think many of us can recall the one month vacation the dev team had after working practically all day, everyday for years(?) when HW landed, and the outrage/skepticism that ensued at the thought they would take a break. Basically, the very idea of postponing the update causing fire and fury among those that can play, no matter the reason. I'd imagine that's why no one would be saintly enough to ask for that sort of thing... not that it would ever be listened to.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

I'm honestly flabbergasted that anyone could be against this proposal. Why would you not want for people who lost their freaking homes to catch a small break in-game? O_o

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I'd imagine most of us are not against it, just that many (like myself) don't see it as a big deal in terms of a gesture. Plus there are those that are applying a right from wrong perspective of equality on the matter... and that's not right.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

I'm honestly flabbergasted that anyone could be against this proposal. Why would you not want for people who lost their freaking homes to catch a small break in-game? O_o

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I'm not exactly against it, but i think that instead of doing that every time something bad happens in the world (that is always) they should raise the demolition time for like 3 or 4 months forever. This time, the tragedy happened in a big and well know country. But things like that is unfortunately happening all the time around the world. So it doesn't seem fair that some ppl get this treatment and others doesn't.