The Raid community as we know it

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Players with a mindset like you are worse than any "elitist".

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a mindset where i don't approve people screaming at other people who made a mistake or cursing at them or someone having a channel or a guide as a free pass to put down others?

Then I take your reply as a compliment.

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Originally Posted by Annah

So if i draw a diagram for you, then that means I can belittle people in my party?

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The people that he raids with are his friends and I am sure they are well aware of what they are getting themselves into.

Less so for the random PUGs he winds up in, but if he says someone is doing shit DPS on stream and not in-game, I don't see how that is much different from some of the threads we see here and on Reddit.

Moreover, it's probably just true?

Generally random raid party.
1. Know the fight
2. Have the highest gear level available
3. Be perfect in your performance
4.Dont expect to vote on loot

That's my general experience with random endgame.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

I know tons of people who play with xeno and he can be blunt but such a great guy. The fact he helps a lot of players, guides to savage raids, tank perspective etc and so on. I would also get mad if someone makes mistake plenty of times when they shouldn't. The sad part is the same excuse always comes ''as long the duty is done doesn't matter how long it takes'' Or ''its just a game we all play for fun'' FF14 is highly pointed as a big pve game with good story, and pve means shit has to die simple as that. Many often think it's funny for the other people in group to wipe all over again and again.

To make it simple when you are good at something, you want to get in and out fast, not screwing around thinking its okay.

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Exactly. Sometimes that blunt approach can catch you off guard, especially if you aren't accustom to it. But if it works for your group, who is anyone else to judge? If Xeno thought himself above the same criticism, I'd feel differently, however he is more than willing to back the bus over himself. So I see no fault here. I can certainly relate to the frustration when I get players who have no idea what they're doing. The "as long as we clear" excuse irritates me because it often means "carry me through content since I can't be arsed to do better." I've mentioned more than a few times a Warrior I had in Shinryu who died to Tidal Wave five times despite being told how the mechanic works. His excuse? "I'm excited! You guys are being kinda rude." That pisses me off. Luckily, I queued with a healer friend to dodge queues but a Bard in that parted waited 43 minutes for this moron to basically expect us to do all the work for him.

It's scenarios like that which lead to people getting called out; rightly so.

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Originally Posted by Annah

If I draw a diagram or had a twitch channel then that makes it ok for me to be rude to others

Edited my last response: I will admit it was too crass

*gets drawing schematics and rotation formulas right away while i licensed a twitch channel

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Bluntly stated, some people just don't care about your feelings. They aren't obligated to either. If it bothers anyone, stay out of their parties. I have plenty of patience for learning parties, however it gets frustrating when people who have no business joining a farm party try to sneak in anyway and get carried.

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Originally Posted by Machka

But yeah looking past the memes and manmode persona, I feel like he's actually a pretty decent and humble guy.

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I think you are right as he responded to one of the comments on his older video where someone asked "what keeps you playing this game" and he said "friends and community" he is just honest about hes opinions so for some it might sound harsh(no sugar coating).

Thing, is, people take that "blunt" and "honest" attitude and pass it around. Maybe they want the power, maybe they want cover their own performance, but they all make a run bogged down, when the posturing is done among randoms.

I think it's funny how upset people are about Xenos existence. He's actually quite chill and I've run farm and learning parties with him. The problem people have with him, is how direct he is. He doesn't sugar coat shit because it's a waste of time. People that can't take blunt or 'aggressive' criticism will get triggered.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

if friends started to talk that way, they'd find themselves friendless rather quickly.

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Might be cultural thing but my whole family, relatives and friends shit talk to each other A LOT and we find it pretty funny, hell even my grandmother do this even tho shes well over 80's. Sarcasm and dark humor is strong in here these two goes pretty well together, tho i must admit that this PC crap has killed humor in mainstream because "muh feelings" and that blows.

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Originally Posted by Vincent_Mateus

I think it's funny how upset people are about Xenos existence. He's actually quite chill and I've run farm and learning parties with him. The problem people have with him, is how direct he is. He doesn't sugar coat shit because it's a waste of time. People that can't take blunt or 'aggressive' criticism will get triggered.

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That's not "being triggered" that is someone engaging in sociopathic behavior because they like it. Do you know why TV shows, films and movies show restraint on profanity? Even when they're only for adults? It's because they know people will stop watching after 10 minutes and go write a negative review about "a filthy unwatchable piece"

If someone wants to be a respected member of a community, they have to show humility and not fling insults off the cuff. That is divisive behavior and while some people enjoy verbal abuse (on either end) most people do not appreciate it, and will associate one player's abusive language with all players of that community. Hence why the current public opinion of "elite raiders" was in the trash pre-4.0.

Likewise, anyone defending this with "grow a thicker skin" , "grow a pair", etc, you're defending jerk-like behavior and yet are using "safe spaces" (static groups), and "triggered" (private discord, voice chat, twitch) in exactly the same way you are trying to demean people with.

It is not a defensible position to defend any kind of griefing tactic. All you're doing is enabling people to continue to do so. That is how communities die.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Might be cultural thing but my whole family, relatives and friends shit talk to each other A LOT and we find it pretty funny, hell even my grandmother do this even tho shes well over 80's. Sarcasm and dark humor is strong in here these two goes pretty well together, tho i must admit that this PC crap has killed humor in mainstream because "muh feelings" and that blows.

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One side of my family is the churchy-joe, goes to church every sunday, wine with dinner, has large weddings, you step out of line, you get the belt.

The other side of my family is far more laid back, drinks beer and wine, nobody goes to church except for weddings and funerals, and you step out of line, you get the belt.

Guess which side tolerates being a potty-mouth? Neither. Because the only people who tolerate it are the friends of my immediate family which are like yours.

Now guess what happens when you drop an 'f bomb' in the company of anyone? The look of shock and disappointment, and if there is any children around, they're told to leave the room, and then you get read the riot act.

I am over-simplifying things, but do understand that "PC culture" is not exclusive to any political ideology, no it's quite literately the extremist ends of all corners of the political spectrum. Where you have the most freedom to speak your mind are places that do not punish you for it. The United States may be built on "free speech" but those very same tools can be used to destroy communities.

Since I share datacenters with him, I have friends that ocassionally got him in pugs for the Creator savage. They talked wonders about him. The only thing he was doing there, was just helping people out.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I find some casuals to be more toxic, honestly. A decent amount of them are cry bullies or rip your face off while frothing at the mouth if you make a simple suggestion.

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This is so true.

You people need to calm down. I think we got a mix of jealousy and misdirected anger here. Jealous that he's actually widely regarded as a reference for raiding, not as a person but as a player. His skill and knowledge is something a lot of players here could use. Also anger because either A) can't clear a savage fight to save your lives or B) he got a following for doing something you feel you're doing better. To that you only got yourself to be mad about. The dude goes for speed kills and world firsts, he's not the type who's gonna be looking on PF for folks to fill in his group and I'm sure he is a lot less abrasive in a public setting. His team is his, leave the dude be if they're all okay sticking with him.

For those thinking the raiding community is all like him, you only got yourselves to blame for that one. There's certainly a few bad apples here and there but unless you are totally inadequate, and lots of you are if what I read on here actually translates to in-game, nobody will be totally out against you. We can all improve, take criticism in stride instead of resorting to the classics of "you don't pay my sub, I play how I want" or "elitist". Learn to carry your own weight.

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Originally Posted by Red_Panda

it is a niche community that plays by different rules. There is nothing forcing you to interact with that community and they do not effect you in any way.

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It's totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

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Originally Posted by fumofu

I'ts totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

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Yep i can see it now... "Ur only ilevel 15 and no materia? l2p scrub you need at least ilevel 320 and rank VI materia to run Sastasha normal" *starts vote kick*

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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Don't need to look into it that much. It's really simple. He's an entertainer, and has a persona to upkeep. He has a demographic he knows he's speaking to, and that's the demographic he knows he'll have respect from. He's not trying to speak to a broad audience, and typically speaking, that doesn't always pan out anyway. And even better, when he starts talking about game balance and serious topics, you can more easily differentiate the entertainer, and the person.

Your example involving media proves that point further. Why do you think South Park stays above water, constantly being renewed? I dare you to say it's because of their humility, and not hurling insults. It's because brands work both ways. There's people who absolutely loath anything that's too 'wholesome', and find nothing to respect in unrealistic displays like that. And others that can't stand anything too filthy. That being said, it's perfectly fine to not like it, or think it's not respectable. Doesn't make their popularity or their supporters any less real.

It's really just a matter of what your preference is. Whatever it may be though, you should generally stick to it, unless you're willing to be open minded.

This thread made me curious about this guy. tuned into his stream. Saw his group wipe a few times in between successful Ex Lakshmi/Sauasnoo fights. Was not impressed. Harlem Globetrotters of this game lol? What?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The United States may be built on "free speech" but those very same tools can be used to destroy communities.

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So no praising the kek then? just as i taught after reading all pages.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's not "being triggered" that is someone engaging in sociopathic behavior because they like it. Do you know why TV shows, films and movies show restraint on profanity? Even when they're only for adults? It's because they know people will stop watching after 10 minutes and go write a negative review about "a filthy unwatchable piece"

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Deadpool would beg to differ. ;)

I'll grant you, saying fuck every second word does not exactly denote class. That being said, it's just a little some people still gasp in horror upon hearing it once or twice. Regardless, it's all about context. How you act with a group of friends isn't necessarily the same as how you'd asked around your parents. You are attempting to correlate the two, which is fine... for you. And only for you. When you attribute those standards onto others is when a problem arises. Hence the immense push back against PC culture.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I generally listen to the State of the Realm podcast every Wednesday at work to pass the time a little faster and generally it has done very well in doing so. This week's episode, however, had me almost actually FEELING my blood pressure going up. Why you ask? The guest--if any of you listened, I don't need to name names. If that guy represents the mentality of the raiding community, I am full glad that I have no part of it. People like him makes the League of Legends community look like Woodstock.

When raiders allow people with his kind of attitude, why do they wonder why more people don't raid?

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Let's be honest, those who want to raid would raid no matter what. Don't blame your lack of ability/motivation/desire/commitment on others. You don't raid because of yourself, not anyone else.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

Saw his group wipe a few times in between successful Ex Lakshmi/Sauasnoo fights. Was not impressed.

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Chances are it was only three to four regulars and the rest were randos.

Also, what the hell is a Sauasnoo?

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

This thread made me curious about this guy. tuned into his stream. Saw his group wipe a few times in between successful Ex Lakshmi/Sauasnoo fights. Was not impressed. Harlem Globetrotters of this game lol? What?

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They are not playing for farm and safety, it's usually never their intention and it's useless if you already have the gear. They are playing for speed.
If they see something that went wrong that lengthens the fight duration unnecessarily, they intentionally wipe in order to be able to restart as soon as possible again, even if they had the capacity and ability to salvage the run into a kill, because a slow kill is worthless for their goal.
This naturally entails more risk of wipes and less consistency, and that's fine when everyone in that group is in the same boat for that. Any kind of speedkill entails 100 or more wipes for that one good, particularily fast run.

Your complaints are similar of the nature of visiting a speedrunner's Mario 64 Speedrun livestream and complain when he resets the run whenever he made a mistake/RNG did not favour him instead of just finishing the run, simply nonsensical for their topic and goal at hand and completely missing the point. Why should he finish the run, if it's going to be a useless, slow run, especially if his intent and goal is to get a particularily fast run?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's not "being triggered" that is someone engaging in sociopathic behavior because they like it. Do you know why TV shows, films and movies show restraint on profanity? Even when they're only for adults? It's because they know people will stop watching after 10 minutes and go write a negative review about "a filthy unwatchable piece"

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Reality would like a word with you. South Park is absurdly popular, as is Deadpool and a whole host of "filthy unwatchable" entertainment.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

There would be no problem with that if the hardcore raiders weren't spreading their toxic playstyle to the rest of the game and actively causing or encouraging people to quit the game so they can raid more "without those casuals causing a wipe"

If a raid group kicks a player for any reason not direct attributed to making the game unbearable, that is griefing. Kicking people because they haven't got melded BiS gear, or certain achievements or minions is just plain griefing and people who do that are the ones who need to grow up. If you don't want to play with the filthy casuals, then never touch the DF without a static party. Life does not give you the perfect team, ever, in the job or school environment, learn to adapt, or make certain you always have your dream team ready. But let me tell you, in reality, you don't get to pick people who get to work with you, and a perfect team comes with time and promotion from within, not by poaching the most experienced.

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I would love to see where an individual has ever been kicked for not having specific achievements or minions. Please. >.>

It could also be considered griefing and making the game "unbearable" if an individual continuously messes up a mechanic, and after being told, refuses to do better or actively perform the mechanic correctly, causing several wipes and hindering progress. At the end of the day, if you're PUGing content, majority rules. If the majority agree that someone is hindering progression by continuously botching mechanics, or having such low DPS that the group is essentially carrying them, then it's fair to kick that person if the group dictates it as so. Most statics tend to do things within their own static group, only PUGing a player if they have to or cannot find someone from their own network of equally hardcore/midcore/whatever-core raider friends.

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Hence you can avoid most of the drama inside a MMO video game by being extremely selective about what raiders you play with, and what guilds you join. I'd actually suggest people completely avoid guilds that have any presence outside the single video game they are playing to avoid encroachment on your personal/family life.

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And no one is forcing the more softcore/midcore raiders to group up with the hardcore raiders. Each static has their own way they do things. Mine would hardly follow the hardcore static meta, and that's fine. I don't care. And my friends inside this game are also friends with me outside of the game. They hardly encroach on my personal life or family time because I prioritize both over a video game, and they are likeminded in that sense. Basically telling people to not make friends with people they meet in this game or to let that friendship extend to other aspects of life is poor advice, imho.

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That's not excusable. Nobody is asking for everyone to be a sweet cupcake, because sometimes you do need someone to be "Dr.House" and give it to you straight, but the entire point of "Dr.House" was that he lacked bedside manner or tact, because he only took cases that were challenging. He absolutely did everything possible to avoid doing anything easy. If your patient thinks the pills you prescribe them make their pee smell funny so they stopped taking them, you want the doctor to say "You will ****ing die if you don't take those pills. That is on YOU, not ME."

Hence in a raid, if there is a wipe, identify the problem, not WHO cause the problem. Not enough DPS, ask who can do better. Can't heal through damage, ask if anyone can switch with the healer. Tank is instant-killed on a certain mechanic, switch tanks, etc. If someone you play with simply can't play any role, as apparent by always taking dirt naps as DPS, then perhaps that person needs to try a different DPS. You get absolutely nowhere by kicking people because they aren't the top 1% DPS on a third party unverifiable website.

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Except sometimes individuals need to be pointed out when they make a mistake. Broadly saying "do mechanics" when it's just one person messing up isn't going to help, because that person may not even think its them (or they could, and just not care, but that's an entirely different situation). If you have someone who is falling severely behind in DPS, if you are knowledgable in the job they play, you should always directly extend advice to them on telling them how they can improve; otherwise, it's possible they will never learn.

Personally, I would find it more insulting if there were healing difficulties and someone demanded a person switch with me for healing rather than telling me what I could personally do better. That's just not even bothering to teach at that point. That's just replacing the problem so you don't have to bother actually dealing with it. Sometimes it boils down to just having to outright replace, but you should always at least try to work with the person first rather than just be like "Person A, switch out with Person B for heals. We're having too many deaths/not enough AOE healing." That comes off as more 'toxic" that constructive criticism.

Some extremely sad replies in here from snowflakes who are outraged over nothing - I can guarantee you have never actually watched Xeno's gameplay or taken a second to internalize the process of improving yourself.

Watch him playing any content and the vast majority of criticism you hear is directed towards HIMSELF. Down to single GCD mistakes! Crying on the forums over how you dislike someone's 'elitist attitude' will solve nothing other than to bolster your blanket of safety and perpetuate your ineptitude - criticizing your own play first and foremost is the only way to improve.

This has people upset? Group dynamics are up to the individual group and what works for them. Further, criticism should start from within to begin with--"Oh, I totally screwed up X," or "Okay, we cleared Y, but what can I do better next time?". Also totally fine to celebrate success, but far too many people would rather find a scapegoat rather than owning up to their own inadequacies. I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

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Originally Posted by Katryn

I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

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More than that, he holds himself to the same expectations that he has of others. I don't care for his "bully" persona, but that's how he handles hardcore content effectively, thats simply on me to not watch his stuff.

I have a far bigger issue with special snowflakes like Kisai trying to tear down "elitist" players (in actuality just well disciplined and knowledgeable players) in order to enforce their own incorrect ideas of how the game should be played. Xeno puts in hours of training and research of game mechanics (down to the GCD or dot tick) in order to master jobs and instances, and we should realise and respect just how much effort goes into being an "elitist" and maybe actually listen to what they have to say.

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

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Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

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I didnt say that, I just realise that there are better ways to counter that. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

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Originally Posted by fumofu

I'ts totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

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I truely want to belive the same about majority of players too... the blm who does ice then fire. Or the tank using cd after tank buster. Or the tank who doesnt use cds on big pull. What about that healer who only heals but let me die?
I was hoping it be a small part of community but boy am I wrong.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

There are better ways to counter that though. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

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I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with, regardless of how I play.

Maybe there is something wrong with me when I don't have an tirade ready for each role. I guess-- shock, gasp!-- doing my best just falls where it may on the criticism line.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with.

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You don't have to get along with him, I probably wouldn't either, I already said that I don't care for his persona. What I'm saying is that if he does call you out then you should listen, or debate if you disagree. What Xeno has is experience and knowledge. If he calls you out then you have the obligation to listen at least and respect the complaint.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That is how communities die.

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Noticed there are more bad players compare to back then? Or lets say New players doesnt get guides? Well what a shocked, it's because people , certain people teach them to have bad behavior towards others. Wants carry etc. Then you show people how you play well, people said use more regen, less medica spam outside hitbox to party members... all you said was "it was fun and it's just a game" you got triggered and shoved the critism under the carpet. And you try hard to be a good example?

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I generally listen to the State of the Realm podcast every Wednesday at work to pass the time a little faster and generally it has done very well in doing so. This week's episode, however, had me almost actually FEELING my blood pressure going up. Why you ask? The guest--if any of you listened, I don't need to name names. If that guy represents the mentality of the raiding community, I am full glad that I have no part of it. People like him makes the League of Legends community look like Woodstock.

When raiders allow people with his kind of attitude, why do they wonder why more people don't raid?

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No surprise. 75% of the community is toxic trash

Xeno? I dunno I probably wouldn't enjoy raiding with him due to his style of coaching but his team seems to be fine taking it as does he so... why does it matter?

I do find his persona funny though, especially how he likes that boss soley because he has a chainsaw gun.

While tending to agree to some extend really, you know, you can find non-raiders with the same attitude / mindset in-game as well, really. And there are several options to deal with such situations in-game as well already. But, yes, not all raiders share the attitude, hard not to agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Annah

ah ok ..if thats the case he wont get a whole lot of dps since I heal in raids with the occasional dps here and there

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That's not what they mean. What they mean is you don't exist on FFLogs. Your name does, but it shows nothing AT ALL, and it would even if you played like a Sylphie (a story NPC for WHM that raiders call a healer that does little to no DPS). For anything. Perhaps what you call "raiding" is normal mode/24 mans? I mean, even on your Lodestone, you aren't geared like a raider would be this far into the patch, seeing as there is no 320 anything on you besides what drops from Normal Mode. So either you're lying and getting called out for it, or what you think raiding is, is something different from what the rest of the community does. What you say and what your character shows are 2 vastly different things.

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Originally Posted by Kyt

Teaching kids in a classroom and leading a high-pressure savage raid are two very different things. Xeno himself says that HE even plays better when people call him out when he screws up. That's proof right there that your ideas on teaching are invalid across mediums that aren't classroom-based. The atmosphere that severely harsh raid leaders create is one filled with pressure and anxiety only if you're just not good enough to play at that level. If you are the epitome of perfect in your class, you don't have to worry about being yelled at because you'll never screw up anyway. If you get yelled at constantly cause you're screwing up constantly, then not only are you in the wrong raid group, but you're probably doing content that's too hard for you in the first place.

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Leading raids (I've done it on the highest level, fyi) is very similiar to teaching in classrooms. As the raid leader you need to identify the problem, and communicate the way to overcome it in the most understandable way possible.

Now, how do human beings react to being uncomfortable? They shut the teacher out, ignoring every attempt at communication. Seriously, go and read up on teaching and leadership methodology. Human beings are conditioned to respond more favourably (and learn at a much higher level) when they are comfortable, engage the teacher / leader, and respect the teacher / leader. Name calling, yelling / shouting, broad stroking, these are antithesis to that.

As for the atmosphere? All the years of high level raiding I've done, I have rarely been called out. However, when the raid leader does it to others, and I have to listen to it, it becomes very uncomfortable, very quickly. Now I know (and I did acknowledge it) that there are raid leaders out there that foster a comfortable, positive environment, but these are very hard to find, and one typically has to go through a lot of toxic groups before they get to them. It gets to the point of "it's not worth it." So I can do more than normal raids, but it's not worth it, not to me. Now if the entire raid community was more positive, warm, and welcoming? Different story.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Might be cultural thing but my whole family, relatives and friends shit talk to each other A LOT and we find it pretty funny, hell even my grandmother do this even tho shes well over 80's. Sarcasm and dark humor is strong in here these two goes pretty well together, tho i must admit that this PC crap has killed humor in mainstream because "muh feelings" and that blows.

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There is a difference between talking garbage to each other, and being overly aggressive and insulting, thinking that this will suddenly make players play better.

I don't like watching streams or podcasts, so I'm not familiar with how Xeno is in a team situation. However, I do vastly prefer his videos since he gives in depth information on mechanics. I haven't seen any of his videos presenting content in a demeaning or vulgar manner. Someone in my static ended up with Xeno in an ex primal recently and had a great time (he said the DPS was awesome).

If you're thinking of raiding, be sure to look for groups that share your mindset. If you're looking to do ex primals on PF, either be wary of descriptions or make your own PF, clearly requesting positive attitudes.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

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If you truly believe everything you just wrote, you must be an incredibly one dimensional teacher. There are different types of raid groups for this very reason. Those comfortable, positive environment raid groups you talk about? Those are like that because no one is fucking up and wiping every single pull OR because no one in the group cares about actually killing the boss. You being uncomfortable when a raid leader calls out someone who screwed up doesn't mean that it's the case for everyone. Being comfortable does not equal for me what it does for you. If I'm in a raid where the raid leader is constantly telling everyone "haha i screwed that up a lot when I started too, no worries, we'll get there on the 1500th wipe no problem!" That makes me uncomfortable. Why should something that makes me uncomfortable be less important than something that makes you uncomfortable, just because what you find uncomfortable is aggressive?

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Originally Posted by Vincent_Mateus

I think it's funny how upset people are about Xenos existence. He's actually quite chill and I've run farm and learning parties with him. The problem people have with him, is how direct he is. He doesn't sugar coat shit because it's a waste of time. People that can't take blunt or 'aggressive' criticism will get triggered.

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meme text aside.

you also should take consideration on who is behind the keyboard. Being too aggressive can be bad. Personally, there are better ways to be a team member, and that is old school planning and teamwork. tell people the strategy for the fight before doing it. Make sure everyone is on the same page. Someone should stand up and be a leader and lead the group. And those agree respectfully follow. People don't do that anymore, and it shows.

People just rage and blame other for their own incompetence. If you don't explain content, or how you plan to tackle it... how can you blame others for not following?

People discussing online game YouTube celebrity personalities makes me feel so very old.