I already did it back then, work plus college. I had no issue, we even had people who only logged in for a few hours per week, when they logged on they did come and camp with us. Of course we gave gear to people who was on a lot but it was unfair for people who been there for a while to NOT get anything, so they all ended up getting things they wanted. It was all about having a great community in the linkshell you was in and people you played with. My friend is my FC leader and believe it or not, but he cleared all savages and he works 6-10 hours a day plus 3 hours at the gym 5 times a week. You don't need to be on 24-7 to do savage in this game, it's about devoting time for maybe 3 hours a day 3-4 times a week and know how to play. Many can't do that because they aren't learning fast, this isn't about a player playing more or less. You have people playing more than me and him and still can't do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canoe
I get what you are saying tho, but it's kinda untrue when some people do say they don't have time to raid when they actually spend more time than MC raiders in game. It's all about how you want to present yourself in the game too.
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09-27-2016, 03:43 AMHungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 03:47 AMSonTensei
I was pretty much an everyday player from 2.0-3.05 or so. Im one of the guys who got tired of the game and quit. I recently came back and the game is fresh to me again. What they said about quitting a game and coming back the next patch isn't what I did,I quit for SEVERAL patches.
There is no perfect balance between older generation grind and current generation instant gratification MMO's. If you make character progression like the merit point and skill point system in FF11, 3 months later only the people who have the most free time will be able meet the requirements for the latest and greatest savage content.
We know progression will be based on Gear Stats. They wont change that.
If they diversified it in 4.x that would be great. I would prefer to have several ways to attain this BiS gear.
-- Some from Savage content..
-- Some from EXTREMELY difficult world bosses (that are popped similar to maps)
-- Some from 4 Player Savage content
-- Some from 24 man Savage content -
09-27-2016, 03:49 AMSonTensei
Also, since the focus is gear rather than character development, I'd like to see the gear have interesting stats such as "increases run speed" or "chance to increase crit rate by xyz percentage for 5 seconds" some sort of extra benefit to gear sets would make it more enjoyable.
At the same time once the next content cycle comes around and those sets with the "cool bonus" become obsolete make a way you can enhance that gear to increase its ilvl.
One of the things that many players loved about FF11 was the fact you could have 1 piece of gear that lasted you YEARS. why not take that part of the game and put it in 14. maybe have special gear sets you can upgrade as the ilvl increases. they already have the glamours on lockdown so if your looking for a new look there is more than enough content.. -
09-27-2016, 04:03 AMDzianThink you're misunderstanding my point. doing a full marathon doesn't negate a half marathon for example. the marathon stays consistent in length. so every runner that completes that marathon does the exact same challenge of 26 miles. at no point do they decide to knock the distance of a full marathon down to 20 miles so more people can complete one for example..Quote:
Originally Posted by SwdVengeance
think of it this way. you get to 18 years old or whatever age you can learn to drive. cough up hundreds of dollars on driving lessons and tests countless hours of practice and finally you get a licence. woot! big congrats arguably the most important qualification you will ever get... However then next month for whatever reason they scrap the license system and just let anyone drive... suddenly all that time and money you ivested in getting your license is worthless..
but yeah the point is that no matter how you look at it. everyone that's completed a marathon has done the exact same distance. and because of that completing a marathon retians it "value"
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09-27-2016, 04:08 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHI don't remember where I read it, but I did read something about a relic style armor set being considered for 4.X. It's been a long time since I kept up with anything though so take that with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonTensei
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09-27-2016, 04:12 AMAlahraThey can even do this without really deviating form the game's core framework right now, by putting max-level gear back in Exploratory Missions starting with 3.5, and by providing ways to upgrade 24-man gear to max item level as well (through EX Primal tokens or something that would cement it as a "midcore" option).Quote:
Originally Posted by SonTensei
I've been suggesting the latter at least since early Heavensward.
Just those two simple things would give the game two more avenues for max-level gear, one focused on time investment and the other on a more middle of the road skill investment.
I remember Yoshi saying they wanted to add a "time" avenue for gear that was like Relic, yes. What form that would take is anyone's guess, but they're looking into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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09-27-2016, 04:48 AMZohnoReecho@FizzleofHyperion: I feel you, but let's face it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
The current generations are becoming lazier and less skilled by the year and more prone to throw money away for any kind of DLC released by the company they have become a fanboy of.
SquareEnix is trying to squeeze as much as they can with the smallest investment possible (MogStation anyone?) after the bloodbath that 1.0 has been. And what's better than alienating a horde that will keep throwing money at you to become the next fashionista?
Only courageous companies will risk creating anything different, anything new that will become the next big thing and make them do the big money. SquareEnix is not one of those. We'll probably not see any change unless a big chunk of people will turn their back at them.
So far I'll keep on playing with my friends hoping for that 2% that will make SquareEnix try anything new. They have until the next expansion before I will unsubscribe. After that I'll maybe come back when all the expansion's patches will be out, buy the latest equip from the market, explore the dungeons, catch up with the story and unsubscribe till the end of the successive expansion, because there is nothing that can keep old players glued to the game and catching up is as hard as throwing money at the board.
Seasonal minions or costumes, veteran rewards and looping dungeons where even the trash will behave under the same script are not worth my monthly fee.
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09-27-2016, 05:01 AMChalbeeYou do realize we're talking about video games, right? The whole point of a video game is to have fun. Maybe the people who you call "Lazy" don't find the FFXI model to be fun. Conversely, maybe all the FFXI fanboys don't find the FFXIV model to be fun. It's OK to not like a game. And you said it yourself: The devs are going to please the "horde" of filthy unwashed casuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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09-27-2016, 05:05 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHTBH, for me personally, XI exemplifies everything I hate about MMO's, namely spending hours just standing around waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chalbee
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09-27-2016, 05:07 AMZohnoReechoYou are induced in thinking that doing the same thing over and over is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chalbee
In XI you did one thing for hours. In XIV you do the same thing over and over for hours. -
09-27-2016, 05:08 AMHungryHippoWeird you like FF14, most people stand around and wait for 2 months and half after a patch is out. My bad ques and ghost town shows that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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09-27-2016, 05:10 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHI'm not most people? XD Even this late into the patch cycle I has five minute queues for everything as a machinist, including high level roulette at 1am central. I don't just stand around.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 05:12 AMLaylaTsarraI have tons to do in this game. I'm never bored. Sorry you don't find the game rewarding. I suspect that would be the case no matter what the Team did and please speak for yourself and not most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 05:14 AMHungryHippoThat's what I'm saying too, you aren't like most people and we both agree people here and there didn't like XI. However I played it because it was my very first MMO, but the fact it gave me the great cinematic feeling, epicness and also the fact I felt everytime the same, even when I did a big boss, the thrill of the fight but also the epicnes to it. Sure I was killing the same shit for a while but it was also different fights at different places. I loved that and I know you didn't like it, which is fair, but sorry I really had to say what I said, it's like what you said; you didn't like to sit around waiting for hours, think about those who wait for months then. Which is the idea of this thread as well. The whole waiting part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
Let me tell you this, I'm a player who came back after killing turn 5, 2 and half years ago. In the other thread they explained 7 hours playtime during last 3 days, where 3-4 of them was for quing up wasn't an issue, because there is a patch coming soon and the patch will decrease the wait. If you said what you saying is true, how come players like me have the struggle of getting thing done? Dont bother telling me to be patient, I'm playing an MMO and I expect people to be around and not run away every 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
Edit: I might be wrong but I think you was one of the nice people who told me to wait, which I appreciate, however if it's not bad as people say it is, then I don't know what I'm supose to think. Sure you do things, but what about the others? Like you said, not everyone share the same feeling here, which I do agree on. So I will tell you the same, don't speak for others. but yourself. -
09-27-2016, 05:15 AMCanadane
That's quite the name you have there Fizzle. lol
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09-27-2016, 05:18 AMThunda_Cat_SMASH
HungryHippo, it's quite possibly a problem that has more to do with your server or data center. I know on Malboro queues are generally pretty quick.
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09-27-2016, 05:20 AMKallera
I'm waiting for something other than needing to do another tomestone grind. I don't care what game they have to copy from to get it, I have been enjoying a lot of the other content, like trials, potd, and even diadem back when it had people in it.
But I'm more upset that Yoshi decided to blame fans of another game from his own company for not appreciating the blandness of his own. I played ffxi before his changes occured, yet I honestly felt unwelcome in both games at that. -
09-27-2016, 05:25 AMHungryHippoI'm a tank taking over 1 hour and half for Snowcloack, something is terrible wrong. Like I explained in the other thread, about the same for Leviathan. I don't know what to expect anymore, sure I don't agree with everything that the dev's are doing but I think they aren't doing a bad job either. However players like me and this isn't only about me either. it's about the players like me getting told we gotta wait because there is nothing going on and there is plenty to do. Explain to me if there are things to do, how come many people don't follow your example? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying it sounds sketchy, because it's opposite for me here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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09-27-2016, 05:25 AMSwdVengeanceOk, lets not have this break down to name calling and over generalization. That is neither a factually based argument, nor constructive. While I understand why you may feel detracted by MogStation, throwing out random factoids that don't have any factual backing doesn't really lead to a constructive discussion. Most to all MMO companies atm have some form of cash shop, and while I understand how a percentage of people may be detracted by this, not all are. Beyond that each games particular execution of such warrants different discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
No, I do get the point. The rest of that paragraph following what you quoted specifically addresses this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
Your example is a bit flawed as well. When the game patches and new content is added, you're never unaware this is going to happen. A more accurate example would be that you chose to do all of that to get your license fully well knowing the next month they would redo the system and the license is no longer valid. However the skills/experience gained from the previous month aren't somehow deleted from your brain. You chose to get the license fully well baring in mind that at some point it would be no longer valid. Do you get mad that you have to renew your license every handful of years?
You're being a tad obtuse with how you're defining 'value' by limiting assigning it strictly to things of material consequence. Personal experience seems to hold no value at all here, so again I'll contest you're ascribing value to the wrong things.
I think the point was made that that could very well be a server population/data center issue. That's not to say SE shouldn't address the issue of low population servers/centers, but that is wholly unrelated to content consumption and repetition of content. I'm not trying to dismiss your point here, just that it's a separate discussion from this particular one, and one that not everyone here experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 05:31 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHDifferent people like different things. I enjoy running content to not only practice and keep myself familiarised with my rotations, I also do it because I just plain enjoy running content. If you were on Marlboro I'd be more than happy to help with whatever you needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 05:35 AMHungryHippoThanks! Don't get me wrong, I have people I know who plays too, but it's not always they are avaiable or vise versa. But it just felt like I played a offline game for those hours I spent, some of them and nothing happened. I do appreciate peoples ideas or inputs on these forum, however, kinda sad about how things are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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09-27-2016, 05:51 AMReynhartThere is a solution for that...several concurrent systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
They did this for the Anima 210 quest, and I loved it. Tired of grinding Tomestones ? Let's do some dailys ! Tired of dailys ? Let's tackle a little Gordias...or hunts...
Look at all the means you have to gain crystal sands for the reconditionned Anima weapon ?
Now, tell me how I can earn high level armor ? Tomestones, again...and again...since 2.0. -
09-27-2016, 05:53 AMAlahraThe Anima questline in HW has actually been very well designed. My only complaint with it has been the Umbrite portion of the Reconditioned (i240) stage—it would have been nice to have at least one other avenue in which to get them. I got tired of Esoterics farming very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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09-27-2016, 06:00 AMKeriiI would like to see a daily bonus system. You log in, you're assigned a random piece of content, and you get all of your tomes for the day after completing it. Since it's randomized it would breathe life into many different types of content, and it would also keep the monotony down because you won't be logging into the same tired grind every single day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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09-27-2016, 06:07 AMTheCoker
I love this game and YoshiP is the best. Current structure is great. A vertical progression that is reset every two patches will allow players to always be close to the end game, whether you are new or took a break. It's ok to take breaks from this game or any game. I would agree we need more mid core content. How? I'd either add 2 more turns/floors or increase the difficulty of Alex normal (or its future equivalent)
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09-27-2016, 06:11 AMKhemorexmaybe try to relog or something , its not normal to wait for snowcloak 1h as tank , like i sayed in another thread ive tryed it out since im on chaos datacenter and ive signed up as tank for snowcloak and had instant (1second maybe :P ) dungeon invite. (wich was around 10pm) so its not a data center fault :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HungryHippo
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09-27-2016, 06:36 AMPhil0u
I really like the game as it is and i'm fully aware that one of these days there will pretty much be nothing new left to do for me, except for the new content they release every 3 months, i've been playing FFXIV for a year and a half (something like that) and i still find something new and/or fun to do each time i play (crafting\gathering\savage stuff\tribal quests\leveling other classes\title names collecting, etc). There is plenty of things to do if you just look around.
I'm not saying the game is perfect, there is no perfect online game and every online game (if not every game at all) lack something. It's impossible for everyone to be happy with every changes they make so they just go with the flow of the majority so they can make some money from their investment of making the game and keep the servers online.
and for the tank waiting an hour problem... the queue requests are multi-server and instanced, meaning that since there is less tank than dps...should be lightning fast -
09-27-2016, 06:50 AMElHeggunte
Upon seeing the thread title I was curious as to what I may find inside, but then I saw that it's just another
SkizzleFizzle thread. I don't need to read a single word of the OP to know it's pretty much going to be a long-winded rant of "Woe is me, why wont SE cater to an extremely niche audience?! I don't think FFXIV needs to be more like XI but here's why I think it needs to be more like XI!" or some other nonsense along those lines. -
09-27-2016, 06:56 AMKeriiI laughed a little harder at your post than I should have. Take my like.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElHeggunte
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09-27-2016, 07:01 AMRedHerbThis is literally wonderous tales. Should be available in like 12 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerii
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09-27-2016, 07:06 AMReynhartI don't understand why they made so much option for crystal sands...and only one for Umbrite...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
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09-27-2016, 07:12 AMLexiaThe thing is with the current content, it not rewarding as what you do is outdated as soon as next patch comes out. A person could even skip a entire patch and play the game like that other content didn't even exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-27-2016, 07:13 AMKeriiIf you really think Challenge Log Bingo and what I suggested are the same thing... you're going to be really let down tomorrow. xD It's okay though I'll be playing bingo anyway. That's just how I roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHerb
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09-27-2016, 07:20 AMPintsizedHaving played FFXIV since 1.0 closed beta and with two legacy accounts, I'd like to point out FFXIV V1 was nothing like V2, it wasn't a story gated by forced groups every few levels, for all that it lacked it was a nice change from the group-or-die mentality of FFXI .. sadly Yoshi brought that 1990s game model to FFXIV in V2 and the game was made the worse for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
The fact that the entire expansion is gated behind having to complete the main story of ARR with its many HARD MODE trials and other border-line 'hard core' content is why the number of players declined, the game requires far too high a player skill simply to follow the main story and unlock the expansion.
I'm sure you find that content easy, many don't and so are blocked from playing beyond the mid levels of ARR, is it any wonder the number of players playing is far, far below the number of accounts that exist? -
09-27-2016, 07:20 AMSyrellarisSo what do you want then? Do you want to run around in the same gear for months while all you get is a new dungeon? or Perhaps a raid that only 1% of the server has time to finish because it requires days and days of "training" with a static?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
No, I rather have plenty of content and story to follow every 3-4 months that also allows me to update my characters gear. -
09-27-2016, 07:23 AMMycow8meActually the Op was suggesting that Yoshi has kinda shunned the 1.0 and legacy players (alot of them were former ffxi players or dual subscription players) who supported and enjoyed the game even after sticking it out to cater to coming and going players or in a sense "everyone" instead of the people who actually love the final fantasy franchise and the original ffxiv pre 2.0... He merely used some ffxi stuff as reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElHeggunte
Anyone who's played ffxi knows there was stuff that worked well and stuff that didn't work well from ffxi. This game doesn't need to be like ffxi but if you played 1.0 or in some cases both at the same time while really supporting the game even before shutdown and instantly came into this, you would at the very least feel estranged for better or worse.
He's kinda sentimental but I don't think he wants the game to be like ffxi, he just feels somewhat betrayed? Like legacy opinions are now worth the same or less as a person coming and going I guess. I can see where hes coming from but yoshi is doing something that is nigh impossible to begin with. You just can't please everyone even if you are claiming to try so. I don't understand how he even is claiming something like this. Haven't seen a poll from SE in regards to the game in a long time, yet alone a survey of any kind?
Dunno, I feel like I get his message but thats because I'm in his shoes in the same boat. -
09-27-2016, 07:33 AMZojhaI would understand...if they awarded more esoterics for leveling/50/MSQ roulette. The MSQ requires the leveling dungeons to be run and thus, you need to constantly have a high pool of players running them to keep the queue times decent for new players. The relic typically fulfills the purpose of revitalizing "old" content, so the tomes are a decent enough incentive - issue is just that aetherochemical research facility is more efficient than those roulettes, thereby compromising the incentive and thus the function.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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09-27-2016, 07:50 AMLexiaAh yea cause two new dungeons (that will rerun over and over till next patch) and a handful of MSQs every 3 months is plenty of content. Like someone said in another post it more like Fashion Fantasy 14, where glamour is the true end game "oh look new shinnies"Quote:
Originally Posted by Syrellaris
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09-27-2016, 07:58 AMMycow8me
I'd rather have social content that isn't just about the reward but about the journey... Having to get a new set of gear each patch is just meeting a new ilvl requirement for me. I like gear as much as the next person but it's not the only reason I play. Wiping city is kinda my style of content but thats not really a journey, its more like a 24 player dungeon with more interesting/difficult bosses.
Maybe an example would be an exploratory randomly generated zone with monsters that you can explore and farm/pop difficult monsters with your large FC 8-16-24 premade groups. I literally thought diadem would be the means to this end but it kinda flopped.
I like social content but I'm honestly not asking for much, I think even the OP expressed it fairly clearly. They are not taking any big chances with content, the creativity is kinda lax. Lot of us are holding out for 4.0 -
09-27-2016, 08:01 AMDerio
I hope they revamp diadem to have RGC. It would make that open world area so much better