And again ppl don't play games for realism, they play to do thing you can't do in real life. If we could why play a game? jumping is actually great exercise. Why not think of said rare bunny hopper as just a guy who chose to randomly start working out.
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03-11-2011, 05:33 PMKilta_Firelotus
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03-11-2011, 05:37 PMKilta_Firelotus
Ima guess you never played WoW or you would know jump had a reason Alot of areas required jump to reach. Or Perfect world international. where a mission was about double jumping and testing you for it. (this was fun)
every video game adds jump with a purpose. there is no video game ever made where jump was added just for the sake of adding.
If ffxiv gets a jump they will make a purose. stop looking at the now. Atm there is no reason to jump aport from enviroment hassles (which is still a good enough reason) but they can add a reason. which adds content, which this game lacks. -
03-11-2011, 05:52 PMAldwinMade me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-11-2011, 06:13 PMKilta_FirelotusI try :)Quote:
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I wonder how many ppl here would freak out over dcuo.
omg flying breaky my "realism"we can't fly in real life....
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03-11-2011, 06:48 PMTezz_Xivectro
I'm not really in favor of jump as i don't care either way. However, there is still no good arguments as to why it shouldn't be in the game.
All i see is: "It breaks immersion", "It looks stupid" or "You need a reason".
It actually adds immersion. (Anyone who argues "well real life bla bla..." here is trolling or needs a reevaluation).
Arguing "Looks" in a FANTASY mmo is lulz, not to mention there are FAR worse things that LOOK stupid that could be compared (Good animations are a cure for this, and dramatic jumps IS FINAL FANTASY-esque). If needed, SE could put limits if they had to.
There are many ways to add a reason for jumping or simply not. Either way, its 2011 and the game shouldn't have to be subject to poor credibility just because someone finds out there is no jump (and there is a large majority who see things this way, sadly).
I'm just waiting for a good reason not to add it. So far it seems to be a very small minority. Overall it seems more beneficial than detrimental though. -
03-11-2011, 08:27 PMgifthorseDid you know, I actually pity this sentiment more than I abhor it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
What you're saying is that you are fine to simply stand around, spectating NPCs doing amazing things and interacting with the world in a way we can only dream of etc etc, while personally using feeble controls and experiencing dull gameplay. If Final Fantasy took a cue from its own cutscenes and CG movies, then perhaps the gameplay wouldn't be so ... to use your own expression ... generic.
Look, if you want random and generic, try running face first into a wall or getting stuck on a pebble.
How is being given the freedom to interact with the world around you: random and generic? Being set upon a predetermined path in a fantasy MMO which is supposed to be about exploration, that's generic. Being limited to a passive observer instead of an actor in the world around you, that's generic. Running and walking everywhere without even the possibility of wondering what's "up there" because you know you'll never be able to reach anyway, that's generic.
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03-12-2011, 12:13 AMKurokikaze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE99Vs1dtLs
Jumps being used tactically to take less damage and jump over things on the ground so I can get to the group faster and not take the long way around. Also a little bit of bunny hopping at the start to infuriate the morons that get angry at that. lol
I've yet to hear a single argument that can say that its not a good gameplay element when done correctly and given a purpose. Instead of jumping for the sake of jumping. -
03-12-2011, 02:17 AMAbriaelFeel free.Quote:
Originally Posted by gifthorse
That's according to you. If you think seeing idiots jumping around in areas that don't even warrant it is a way to avoid "dull" gameplay, sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree.Quote:
What you're saying is that you are fine to simply stand around, spectating NPCs doing amazing things and interacting with the world in a way we can only dream of etc etc, while personally using feeble controls and experiencing
dull gameplay.
If Final Fantasy took a cue from it's own cutscenes and CG movies, it'll be the absolute opposite of what you advocate. You advocate "freedom", but those cutscenes look like that exactly because they are cutscenes, because each character is animated purposedly just for THAT action, in that moment of that movie, to interact with that specific elements around it.Quote:
If Final Fantasy took a cue from its own cutscenes and CG movies, then perhaps the gameplay wouldn't be so ... to use your own expression ... generic.
They are directed, and direction is exactly the opposite of freedom.
Comparing a generic, random jump you'll find in every MMORPG to that kind of action is laughable at best.
You're using "freedom to interact with the world" as a generic catchphrase to try and give solidity to your argument. The problem is that it doesn't fit it. Random jumping doesn't "interact with the world". A guy jumping in place or around for no reason interacts with nothing.Quote:
How is being given the freedom to interact with the world around you: random and generic?
To "interact with the world", there has to be something to interact with. In which case a limited, staged jumping function is much more appropriate, and guess what? It even allows for the fancy animations you like so much in cutscenes. See Final Fantasy XIII.
It's funny how you advocate that jumping would single handedly free you from the "predetermined path" lol. There will always be predetermined paths in MMORPGs. There will be always be borders and areas that you aren't supposed to reach. Jumping will not fix that.Quote:
Being set upon a predetermined path in a fantasy MMO which is supposed to be about exploration, that's generic. Being limited to a passive observer instead of an actor in the world around you, that's generic. Running and walking everywhere without even the possibility of wondering what's "up there" because you know you'll never be able to reach anyway, that's generic.
And there's NO place random jumping can reach, that climbing and staged jumping can't. looking way less stupid.
Sorry to burst a bubble.
Thanks for demonstrating once more that jumping in MMORPGs looks absolutely stupid (and for demonstrating to the ones blindly denying it that bunny hopping does exist).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
By the way, about jumping as a "gameplay element", you forget the simple fact that twitch is not a style of gameplay enjoyed by everyone in MMORPGs, quite the contrary. Considering the battle style in both FFXI and FFXIV, it's as far from twitch as humanly possible. So if you want a twitchy gameplay style, you might want to look for a game that actually fits it.
TERA will be released soon, it actually looks quite good to the ones that enjoy that kind of gameplay. May want to try it. -
03-12-2011, 02:21 AMKurokikaze
Not enjoyed by everyone sure, but 12 million subscribers is nothing to scoff at. If FFXIV wants to come around they need to appeal to that audience. And I'm aware that it wouldn't work with our battle system which is why I would only want it if I can be proven wrong on that.
No thanks, I'd rather take FFXIV and turn it into a good game. Something you don't seem to want to do since you're disillusioned and think that they game is end all be all. -
03-12-2011, 02:25 AMAbriaelYou're skipping a link. Do you think that those "12 million" enjoy WoW just because they can jump? The vast majority of WoW players are super-casuals that don't even know the difference between twitchy gameplay and slower styles (since they never played another MMORPG).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
Assuming that any number of players enjoy a game for the same reason you enjoy it, or assuming automatically that you're in the majority without any kind of evidence is, I'm afraid, flawed logic.
Yeah, and allowing bunny hopping would magically turn FFXIV in't a good game right?Quote:
No thanks, I'd rather take FFXIV and turn it into a good game.
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03-12-2011, 02:29 AMJedgarThis made me laughQuote:
Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse
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03-12-2011, 02:29 AMKurokikaze
It does not change the fact that FFXIV has to be commercialized and more approachable by that audience if it wants to succeed. As it stands now its a very niche game. The only people that play it now are; old XI players that understand its flaws and accept what must be done to revive it - and people like you that think the game is amazing and defend it at all costs.
No genius, good content that incorporates that mechanic and others successfully makes the game good. -
03-12-2011, 02:35 AMMarious
Only on an FF Forum would a topic about the random topics people bring up would you find an argument of why Jump breaks or does not break immersion on a fantasy world ><
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03-12-2011, 02:37 AMKurokikaze
Yeah seriously Marious. lol
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03-12-2011, 02:38 AMAkumulol you beat me to it. The title says it all and the evidence is clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marious
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03-12-2011, 02:38 AMOverkill9000
jumping and pvp is always hilarious lol watching a bunch of bouncing idiots fight each other XD
i think its funny that ppl consider removing ACTUAL physical functions in real life as a break of immersion. i'm not really for/against jumping just because idc, BUT i think being able to jump/swim adds more of a realistic feeling. -
03-12-2011, 02:40 AMKilta_Firelotus
Abriel do us a favor and stfu.
you sir or madem, are not good for gaming. You hate just for the sake of hate. And your only fight is vanity. Sorry but watch g4 tv some time. Every video game with jump has hidden things to discover. Like Wow and this was on g4 2 summers ago, WoW had several locations "hidden" around the world. Like the dwarvan airfield, the troll (villiage now accessible in cata ), even in dungeons if you jumped to certain areas you found hidden chests. If these location were not supposed to be accessable they wouldn't be at all jump or no jump. Elder scrolls is a game with jump, and spam jumping is the only fast way to skill it up. I dare you to call elder scrolls cartoonish. They also had hidden treasures like on roof tops or hidden enterances to places. SE can add so much content jump can be used for. Like hidden areas, treasures, alternate routes around the zone.
Why be against adding content for sake of vanity. Sorry i hope SE don;t listen to the no jump players. they don;t want content -
03-12-2011, 02:41 AMAbriaelJumping has nothing to do with a game being "approchable". Again you're assuming that since you like a concept, that concept is indispensible for the game to be "approchable" or successful. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
Tutorials are what's needed to make the game approchable, and a whole lot of work is needed to make the game successful. Random jumping may easily not be (and most probably will not be, considering the fact that Yoshida already stated that if jump will be implemented it will be in a limited fashion) part of it.
I'm afraid you're skipping just another link. Good content can come in many ways. "that mechanic" is nowhere necessary to make a "good game", as there are many other (and less stupid looking) ways to create good encounters, actually improving the epic feeling, instead of detracting to it. When an encounters feels gimmicky (IE: makes people look like characters of a platformers, or pawns in a puzzle game), it loses any resemblance of an epic battle in the eyes of many.Quote:
No genius, good content that incorporates that mechanic and others successfully makes the game good.
Oh, by the way:
I'm quite disillusioned in fact (it just doesn't mean what you think it means :P). If I thought that the game was perfect or "end all be all", I wouldn't be here posting new suggestions that *I* feel would improve it basically every day.Quote:
Something you don't seem to want to do since you're disillusioned and think that they game is end all be all.
The fact that I don't agree with SOME ways, or with the completely unrealistic notion of scrapping every single mechanic and concept at the base in the game, doesn't mean that I believe that the game needs no improvement.
As usual, you're making a whole lot of assumptions on your counterpart "he disagrees with me, so he musn't be very smart". But if you think I believe that the game should remain as it is, I'm afraid you're delusive. Which, by the way, is probably the word you were looking for.
I don't see you agreeing with every single proposal out there. Does that mean that you think that this game is "end all, be all"?
As much as you'd probably love that people that disagree with you (with arguments that you don't seem to be able to counter) would just "shut the F up", that won't happen. Unfortunately for you, I am as entitled to express my opinion as you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
No, we just don't want THAT kind of content. As much as I don't want to be able to shoot pigs dropping from the sky when it rains. It'd be content, as well, you know? just not really enjoyable or fitting.Quote:
Why be against adding content for sake of vanity. Sorry i hope SE don;t listen to the no jump players. they don;t want content
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03-12-2011, 02:41 AMEekiki
You guys are all getting way off-topic!
This thread is supposed to be citing examples of why this forum is so ridiculous!
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03-12-2011, 02:43 AMKilta_Firelotus
sorry my post started all this i'm sorry
only in an ffxiv forum will ppl consufe immersion with realisms thinking jumping or swimming breaks it when infact not jumping or swimming breaks immersion as we are limited in how we intreract with in the game world (which immersion is how much/well we interct with in the game realm not being realistic) -
03-12-2011, 02:47 AMKilta_Firelotus
ooo only in an ffxiv forum will you see a poster with a zelda majoras mask siggy
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03-12-2011, 02:50 AMAbriaelAre you sure now? Because I can't remember a single beta forum of a single MMORPG in which this horse wasn't beaten to death, with exactly the same arguments from both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Same for swimming by the way (not that i'm against swimming, by the way, while not 100% realistic, at the very least you have to have water to swim, looking way less stupid that randomly jumping in place where there's no jumping to be done).
Oh and by the way, I'd advise you to edit posts if you want to add something to them. As things stands, replying to yourself multiple times, you're kind of spamming. -
03-12-2011, 02:56 AMKurokikaze
Yeah, you're right that was the word I was looking for.
The difference between you and I - in regards to our approach on whether or not we agree with things that pop on the forums is this:
When I say something is a bad idea I give reasoning as to why; hard to implement, easy to exploit, doesn't exactly fix the underlying problem, etc. I then go on the give constructive criticism as to how it can be made better and what would be an overall better approach.
You disagree with something - "It looks stupid." Thats exactly what you've said every single one of your posts. None of your so called counterpoints are valid in an argument about a game. Who cares that it looks stupid? They could implement taking a *** in the bushes but as long as they made it fun, serves a purpose and it works then whats to complain about?
Key words there are in bold if you missed them.
I really should've taken my own advice before and stopped replying to your posts before because you are seriously cancerous to the process this game is going through. I've facepalmed one too many times reading/replying to your comments and lolcounterpoints. Been browsing forums for years and have never had to ignore someone until now. Congrats. -
03-12-2011, 03:01 AMBenedictionBut that breaks immersion and realism because we don't do that in real life!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
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03-12-2011, 03:02 AMAbriael
You may not care if it looks stupid, Kuroikaze. I respect your opinion, while I don't agree with it. On the other hand, this doesn't seem to go both ways considering how you continue to fill your posts with veiled (or not) personal attacks.
I (and evidently others) do care.
Games have art directors exactly to decide what looks fitting and what looks "stupid" in the context of the game, and if you think looks aren't important in any game, then I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree here.
"fun" is made of many elements, that normally differ from person to person. Things that look unfitting or stupid may not be included in what spoils the "fun" for you. But it may be (and again, it pretty evidently is) for others.
The only thing that's cancerous here, is the attitude of some people that think that others' opinion is "cancerous" just because it disagrees with theirs.
Let me give you a piece of advice. If you don't want to deal with opinions that you consider "cancerous", you're not made for forums. Try a blog. And make sure to turn off commenting, God forbid someone daring to counter your points and not sharing your tastes, that you seem to consider absolute and undeniable truth. -
03-12-2011, 03:15 AMKilta_Firelotus
if ppl cared for vanity then Perfect world international AND world of warcraft would not have millions of players. ffxi and ffxiv are the 2 pleasing to look at mmo, and the most limiting.
again immersion is how much we can interect with the enviroment. Not realism or vanity.
And more ppl spamed the dance emote in ffxi. Then ppl spamed the space bar in WoW. in ffxi you can find 20+ ppl in a zone spamming /dance 2 or /dance 4 I don't nor ever seen 20+ spam jumpers in WoW in one zone. Last time I played WoW was just before ffxiv was launched so pretty recently I was on 12 different servers ex[ploring trying to find a server community I fit in. With the combination of the 12 i've only ever seen 5 spam jumpers. Only 5, not 5 per server.
the only time i've seen jump abused in WoW was the rmt hackers who jump killed their character to spell out rmt ads. (which was kinda cool to see actually) -
03-12-2011, 03:21 AMKilta_Firelotus
Also aberial I type on the ps3, and text space is limited. or I would just edit and add. But you are too serious for gaming. If someone wants to look silly, let them its funny to watch. If you don't like it, move on, don't watch. If they stalk you report them.
Anyone against adding features for sake of hate, vanity, or becausr its in another game, needs to seek professional help. You guys are acting like jump in a game killed your mother. Why be against something that can add tons of content? That is counter productive to what we want. I'm all for ANYTHING that will add NEW content. And is what ffxiv needs. I want to play it on my ps3 asap. -
03-12-2011, 03:23 AMAbriaelJust as the above poster that doesn't seem to know respect for other people's opinion, you seem to forget the detail that those millions of players (which in the case of PWI are inconsequential, being a F2P game. I'm a "player" as well, according to their counts, even if I didn't touch the game since the second day after open beta) may like those games for a wide variety of reasons, not necessarily because you can jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Correlation doesn't imply causation.
On the fact that I'm "too serious for gaming", what do you mean? There are plenty games that take a "serious approach" to storytelling and visuals. You have a PS3, try heavy rain.
I play FFXIV and not WoW (between the other reasons) because I like a more "serious" visual style and storytelling. Otherwise I'd be there dabbling with comedic relief orcs and cartoonish art, isn't it?
I'm not acting as jumping is a "game killer", I'm acting as random jumping is something I don't like to see in a MMORPG. If I don't like something, and I have reasons I find valid not to like it, I will argue against it. It's that simple.
Or do you think that everyone should agree with the inclusion of everything that doesn't "kill" the game? no matter how much they find it nonsensical?
A lot of things can add "tons of content". Adding aliens and lightsabers would addd "tons of content". I'm sure I don't need to explain why I would be against it, right? -
03-12-2011, 04:06 AMDalmore
* Everyone keeps Discussing why or why not jump or PvP needs to be ingame.
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03-12-2011, 04:42 AMMishakai
Only on Final Fantasy forums will you find fanboys up in arms claiming there is nothing wrong with a game that even the developers admit sucks in it's current form.
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03-12-2011, 04:45 AMAbriaelI'd be very curious to see you quote an anywhere sizable number of posts on this forum in which some alleged "fanboys" state that there's nothing wrong with the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishakai
I'm quite sure you're going to come back empty handed, or nearly. Which would be a further proof (if it was even needed) that strawman arguments make people look like fools (more or less like using overdramatized terms as "sucks" and similar). :D -
03-12-2011, 04:49 AMMishakaiOK forum ninja... I'm about done with you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
400 posts in just a few days, a majority of which are insulting people who suggest anything you don't like.
Seriously, quit trolling and flaming people for utilizing our only line to the devs that we've gotten in the 6 months since the game was released. After all, we all have pretty much the same monetary investment, and are just as entitled to express our opinions as anyone else, regarless of whether or not you approve of them. -
03-12-2011, 05:01 AMAbriael...says the one that slapped down a blanket statement about "fanboys". Which tends to be an insult, dunno if you noticed. Sorry mate, but if you feel "insulted" by discussion and conflicting opinions, then you're way oversensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishakai
So you're saying that you're entitled to your opinion and I am not?Quote:
Seriously, quit trolling and flaming people for utilizing our only line to the devs that we've gotten in the 6 months since the game was released. After all, we all have pretty much the same monetary investment, and are just as entitled to express our opinions as anyone else, regarless of whether or not you approve of them.
Because, you know. I'm here to express my opinion as much as you are, and if my opinion is that an idea would damage the game (or my enjoyment of the game), I will express it.
That's what "discussion" is, and forums are "discussion" environments. If you don't like "discussion" with people that happen to disagree with you, then get a blog, and turn off comments.
I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but conflicting with your opinion doesn't make someone else's opinion less valid or worthy to be expressed.
The fact that I or others discuss your idea, doesn't make it less visible to the developers (since you seem to be concerned about the "line" to the devs), quite the contrary, since the thread gets bumped every time someone responds. Or maybe you're afraid that the devs will "prefer" the oppoising opinion and ignore yours, and as such the opposing opinion shouldn't be expressed? Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.
But since you seem to be keen on using the word "trolling", let me make you aware of the fact that someone that goes to a game's forum to tell that it "sucks" fits the very definition of a troll perfectly.
I'm still waiting, though, to see you quote the alleged "fanboys" that according to your (warped and biased) vision are spamming the forums telling that there's "nothing wrong" with the game. Please, humor me. :D -
03-12-2011, 09:40 AMAmyRae
The "immersion breaking" argument doesn't hold much water. There are obviously greater immersion breaking factors in the game already:
1. Your character can take an axe to the face and not lose half its face.
2. Your character is tireless (even sleeps standing up), never worries about personal hygiene, eating is optional, has no kids, has no parents, never ages.
3. Your character can't die, even if eaten by a giant monster 10 times its size. It's just knocked out for awhile.
4. Your character can carry 100 Haubergeons with no signs of slowing down or bulkiness, even if it only has 9 STR and stands 2 feet tall.
Goodness gracious. Imagine how "unrealistic" it would be if your character could jump in a world like that. (And that's one thing people actually do in real life). -
03-12-2011, 09:43 AMBenedictionPeople that talk about immersion in games aren't really immersed themselves in real life. So they forget how unrealistic most of the aspects are from a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyRae
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03-12-2011, 12:35 PMRubicon
Only on the FFXIV forums is there a post about jumping with 5000 views and a post about correcting fundamental issues sinking on the board like a stone.
Same for Male Miq'otes...
Same for Female Roes...
Same for adding more battle classes...
Same for adding new experience systems when the current system is being scrapped...
Same for keeping the armor system as basic as possible...
Same for keeping the classes with all skills and no role...
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03-12-2011, 01:28 PMKilta_Firelotus
@ abe
I have heavey rain. There are also some silly parts to the game.
I'm saying visually WoW and pwi look silly and cartoon-y, and have the biggest subs. Where as ffxi and ffxiv have less cartoon-y graphics and the lowest subs.
Take a chill pill about mmorpg and what OTHER PPL do. You are the buzz kill in mmorpg. Having fun also is being silly. I bet you look silly playing an mmo. Getting into and cussing at the screen when something goes wrong.
for ps3 Little big planet/2 is prob the most popular game like ever. Due to the creative and silly aspects to it. And you can create your own silly levels (which are in the millions or more)
And ffxi is silly. I mean cat girls, brute men. Moogles are silly creatures. Don't get me started with lolifells :3
only on ffxiv forum will you see
pro tip, hating for sake of hating just leads to being a buzz kill. Just ingore others of they bug you that much. Don't get on a soap box an annouce you hate something for sake of hating. Jump will do nothing to you in game. -
03-12-2011, 01:58 PMAbriaelAgain, you're confusing correlation with causation. I already explained to you how the two things are different, but you don't seem to be able to understand that simple explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
You will not demonstrate any argument flapping around wow's subscription data (and even less with Perfect World, since it's a F2P game the subscription data of which means nothing).
I wouldn't paint your own habits on other people if I were you.Quote:
Take a chill pill about mmorpg and what OTHER PPL do. You are the buzz kill in mmorpg. Having fun also is being silly. I bet you look silly playing an mmo. Getting into and cussing at the screen when something goes wrong.
You have a penchant for being wrong and misinformed, my friend. Little Big planet is not even in the top ten most popular games for the PS3. To be precise it's 11th.Quote:
for ps3 Little big planet/2 is prob the most popular game like ever. Due to the creative and silly aspects to it. And you can create your own silly levels (which are in the millions or more)
Here's the top 10 for sales: Call of Duty Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2, Gran Theft Auto 4, Gran Turismo 5, Modern Warfare, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Uncharted 2, Call of Duty World at War, Assassin's creed 2.
As you can see, your little "silly" Little Big Planet 2 is literally crushed by a nice team of games with a lot more serious themes.
This isn't the first time you take your own tastes and just assume without any base that they are the tastes of the majority.
Might want to at least start learning the names of the races before arguing about the game, will you?Quote:
And ffxi is silly. I mean cat girls, brute men. Moogles are silly creatures. Don't get me started with lolifells :3
only on ffxiv forum will you see
I am actually wondering, did you EVER play Final Fantasy XIV?
Sorry, I explained quite in depth why I'm against the exclusion of random jumping in the game. The "hating for the sake of hating", is just an invention of yours. Pretty hilarious, but still an invention.Quote:
pro tip, hating for sake of hating just leads to being a buzz kill. Just ingore others of they bug you that much. Don't get on a soap box an annouce you hate something for sake of hating. Jump will do nothing to you in game.
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03-12-2011, 02:51 PMKilta_Firelotus
pro tip being too serious on a video game is just as silly.
even if the game has a serious theme. War is serious yes? want/need me to upload every us army in iraq dance vid? they even have Tik Tok by that Ka$ha even seen a vid of some silly isriali dance mix macarana with disco XD
Just because something is serious don't mean you need to be serious. More so if it a game. I like ppl being silly it makes games fun. If i wanted to deal with serious ppl all day i would no play games and just work 24/7. -
03-12-2011, 02:54 PMBlackheartWorded like a proQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus