New tanking abilities in the expansion thread!

Traits:

56 Enhanced Storm's path
Debuff duration increased to 30 seconds
(makes room for the new fracture combo in the rotation)

52 Enhanced Fracture II
Combo Action: Skull Sunder
Combo Potency: 240
Additional Effect - grants a Wrath stack
Additional Effect - Increased Emnity
(dot component remains the same, 4th combo to replace some BB filler)

New Job Trait: (I don't think warrior will get new job skills due to the way defiance works)

55 Improved Steel Cyclone
Steel Cyclone now costs 3 stacks of Wrath
(instead of consuming all 5)

60 Anger Management
Wrath now stacks up to 7 stacks
(still grants 2% critical hit chance per stack)

New Class skills:

54 Charge
40 second cooldown, 30y range (off GCD)
Instantly charges to the selected enemy target if the target is outside of meelee range
Additional Effect - grants highest threat on the target
(provoke for warriors with much needed/desired built-in gap closer)

58 Counter
15 second cooldown
Delivers an attack with 210 potency (off GCD)
Can only be used after parrying an attack
Additional Effect - Increased Emnity
Additional Effect - grants a Wrath stack
(makes parry a worthwhile stat now)

60 Mighty Strikes
90 second cooldown, 15 second duration (off GCD)
Autattack speed is doubled and Critical hits do an addional 50% damage
Additional Effect - each critical hit perfomed while under this buff restores 50 TP, you cannot regenerate more than 50 TP per second
(TP regeneration for warrior & moderate DPS cooldown, limited to 50 TP per second so it is no gamebreaking with the Overpower skill)


To be honest there isn't much that needed to be added to the warrior toolkit to make the job play more smoothly.

Yoshi and his team did such a great job on their first adjustment to warrior that there is not much room for improvement.

I'd like to see Storm's eye become useful and maybe even new more complex combos. I don't meant longer combos but combo effects that would vary depending on the order of the combo. It would give more depth to combat.

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Originally Posted by ZeroComplex

A trait that lowers the recast on Hallowed to 5min (or just do this in general)

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

A trait for PLD that when in ShO, when you block an enemy's attack that enemy takes some damage.

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Originally Posted by Puresin

New Job Trait: (I don't think warrior will get new job skills due to the way defiance works)

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Jobs...don't...have...traits

Something puzzles me...the topic is called "New tanking abilities in expanstion", yet a lot of post here talk about how they want old abilities to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Puresin

54 Charge
40 second cooldown, 30y range (off GCD)
Instantly charges to the selected enemy target if the target is outside of meelee range

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This is all I ask for, Yoshi-P.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'd like to see Storm's eye become useful[...]

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Storm's Eye is already your most useful combo. o_o

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Originally Posted by Feylie

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i lol'd

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Tanks need a Gap closer....Chasing around adds and then running back is a DPS killer. ex would be T13 phase 2 dragons, you can't OT near Bahamut so there is always a large Gap once the add is down. It could also be useful for opening combos instead of loltomalob or moving out of AoE.

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Paladin should get a skill that pulls the target to the player. Warrior should get charge.

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Originally Posted by Domira

Paladin should get a skill that pulls the target to the player. Warrior should get charge.

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Reverse that. Warriors already have a chain to pull shit with and paladins have a shield

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Jobs...don't...have...traits.

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Yeah, and all jobs require base classes at the moment. Things change *shrug*

It's just a wishful thinking thread, lighten up.

New traits that affect current abilities will not make tanking more fun. It may seem exciting now, because it would affect current content. But once we get new shiny toys to play with it'd be an afterthought.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

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This guy gets it. ^

I just hope they do something about holmgang for warriors. Like add a trait that makes it slightly longer and any IB used during its effect will heal you for 300% (similar to how it was in 2.0) so I don't have to sit there and hope the healers can lustrate/bene me back from the brink of death. I would also love a "rush" move similar to shoulder tackle, off gcd. It would be great for openers and save us the trouble of chasing those pesky adds off range who just dont want to sit still and run around the map. Increasing wrath stacks to 10 would be nice but I doubt it.

Here is the original skill Rampage as it was in 1.0. It might have to be changed a bit to suit FFXIV:HW but with parry being a relatively "useless" passive any thing that increases the parry rate is welcomed for warriors and the increased attack speed would be nice. I might remove the heal on crit just to balance it out so wars aren't a drk with an axe.

For PLD's I would love a skill like Cover but for magic attack only. Macro the two together and use HG and you basically can protect one other player from all damage. Also a battle raise would be much appreciated. You can even bar it to skill, that when used allows for increased heal potency/battle raise of any curing magic you use.

They really need to give it something that changes up the 1-2-3 combo because I only have time for two tanks with WAR still my fave due to overall difficulty and fun of playing and DRK which will replace the PLD. All I know is that, assuming they follow the same pattern as 2.0 (class gets one skill every two levels with 5 skill/traits total and job gets one skill per five levels with 2-3 skills total) that we will have up to 7+ new skills on our way to 60 for current jobs.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Something puzzles me...the topic is called "New tanking abilities in expanstion", yet a lot of post here talk about how they want old abilities to be changed.

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This.

Too many traits are wasted on just making an ability slightly better. Traits are wasted on abilities unless it scaling/balance reason (aetherflow, dot lengths to make time for combos etc..) or is a cross class ability is getting a trait to make it better for its source class. Otherwise just change the core ability itself instead of giving it a bandaid when it hits a certain lv. Rather have traits add interesting passives or new things to abilities then something generic like shorter cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Nama

This.

Too many traits are wasted on just making an ability slightly better. Traits are wasted on abilities unless it scaling/balance reason (aetherflow, dot lengths to make time for combos etc..) or is a cross class ability is getting a trait to make it better for its source class. Otherwise just change the core ability itself instead of giving it a bandaid when it hits a certain lv. Rather have traits add interesting passives or new things to abilities then something generic like shorter cooldown.

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Pretty much every paladin (and warrior) trait is like this. Like, would Rampart REALLY be too strong if it was 20% reduction at level 2 instead of 14? Is Awareness really worth extending to 25 seconds? Compared to stuff like Firestarter and River of Blood, our traits blow. A lot of classes have this problem, but it really sticks out on the tanks.

Perhaps PLD could get a Banish spell?

I just watched 300 for the first time and seeing the Spartans bash skulls in with their shields made me wish SE would give Paladin's more offensive abilities with the shield.

I know in MMO's shields are typically used for interrupts, but what about a passive ability that gives PLD's the chance to get an auto attack with their shield, or another off GCD shield attack that increases the damage to Spirits Within.

All tanks should get a passive skill that converts a 15% of your total Vitality to Strength.

So many people want passives... It's not like they're bad suggestions or anything. But come on! Use some imagination!

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I personally stuck more to ideas for passives because I absolutely despise Ability Bloat in MMOs, that and I find that some of the tank abilities could really use a shot in the arm to make them more fun and interesting to use.

Ok lets see somne new skills..

-Warrior

Traits:

Steel Tempest: Gives Steel Cyclone a pulling effect that immediately pulls surrounding mobs with a chain, similar to how Holmgang use to, ontop of the warrior and makes them all get hit. 6-7y range, so it's just outside of steel cyclones reach. (Pretty sure the Marauder you fight in the Rogue quest line already uses something exactly like this, hell it's even called Steel Tempest)

Also allows Steel Cyclone to hit twice, one with it's original hit, and second on the landing that 'shatters' the ground, hitting a second time but with lower damage.

Fixes:

Holmgang: Do something with Holmgang for the love of god jesus christ the skill has it's butt on backwards and it just really doesn't work out.
Mercy Stroke: Give Mercy Stroke a small time window for the target dying instead of having it be the last hit. Especially with the way you can skill directly after the target is dead, or the animation still goes on and tries to use the skill, last hitting is just stupid hard.
Foresight: Make Foresight less foresight and more of a proper 'oh crap' button. You'd think 20% armor would be nice, but its really not.

Skills:

New damage skills really. They're going to need something once Dark Knight comes in and takes over the big weapon scene. For example:

Guillotine: (Off/ON GCD) Requires at least 1 Wrath to use, but depending on how much Wrath you have, it's damage scales. Something like

1 Wrath: 200 Potency
2 Wrath: 250 Potency
3 Wrath: 300 Potency
4 Wrath: 330 Potency + Ignores Defiance damage penalty
Infuriated: 360 Potency + Ignores Defiance damage penalty

+ applies A DoT that scales by 10% of the hits potency.

Supremacy: (Off GCD) Warrior lifts their foot, then slams it on the ground with shattering force while roaring towards the sky (Or just look really mean looking forward idc). When their foot connects with the ground, a strong dominant force blows out in all directions (Maybe a red forcefield or some kind of rage looking visual) and knocks all enemies within 5y back 2y, and stuns them for 2 seconds. If used in Defiance, it generates a crazy amount of additional threat. Give it whatever amount of damage really.

Now combo that with Steel Cyclone with the Steel Tempest effect and you can yoyo the mobs every time the skill is up. C'mon, who wouldn't want to do that?

-Paladin

I haven't played Paladin in a while so just some quick suggestions.

3rd finisher to their riot blade combo
More skills that involve using their shield arm instead of their sword arm.
Don't know what else, I main War.

Give tanks a buff to reduce TP cost of all weapon skills by 50% for 20 seconds, or something. I dont need more tanking utilities, I want resource management.

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Originally Posted by Feylie

So many people want passives... It's not like they're bad suggestions or anything. But come on! Use some imagination!

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Don't want too many active skills, or it will end up like Aion. Where you have a gazillion actives and need to use each one.

PLD/GLD weapon skills:
- Righteous Blade: A large frontal cone that ends the Riot Blade combo. Like the one Ilbert uses.
- Shield Strike: combo action from Shield Swipe, damage + combo bonus applying Determination Down on enemy

PLD magic skills:
- Banish: ranged single target
- Banish II: ranged AoE that does more damage the more enemies it hits.

PLD traits:
- Enhanced Raise (Raise in battle)
- Enhanced Cure: Grants a 30% chance that after casting Cure the healing potency for your next Cure will be double.

WAR/MRD weapon skills:
- Retribution: combo action from Holmgang. Instant charge the chained enemy doing damage (like shoulder tackle). It could be a kick or punch or just a body charge. It would be awesomely brutal and will leave you close to the chained enemy even if it couldn’t be pulled to you.

WAR wrath skill:
- War Roar: debuff all the enemies while buffing the party members near the WAR (a bit more than melee range) for a short time. The more the wrath used the better the effect.

and I like this idea:

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Originally Posted by Ditto

Ok lets see somne new skills..

-Warrior

Fixes:

Mercy Stroke: Give Mercy Stroke a small time window for the target dying instead of having it be the last hit. Especially with the way you can skill directly after the target is dead, or the animation still goes on and tries to use the skill, last hitting is just stupid hard.

Skills:

Guillotine: (Off/ON GCD) Requires at least 1 Wrath to use, but depending on how much Wrath you have, it's damage scales. Something like

1 Wrath: 200 Potency
2 Wrath: 250 Potency
3 Wrath: 300 Potency
4 Wrath: 330 Potency
Infuriated: 360 Potency + Ignores Defiance damage penalty

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WAR

- Calm Before the Storm: Disables use of wrath for X amount of seconds but gives a buff for Y seconds that allows you to stack up to 10 wrath (Y being greater than X so that it provides a window of time to utilize the extra stored wrath. If you are at more than 5 stacks when the buff ends, you will only drop back to 5 wrath.

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Originally Posted by Greven

WAR wrath skill:
- War Roar: debuff all the enemies while buffing the party members near the WAR (a bit more than melee range) for a short time. The more the wrath used the better the effect.

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Similar to FFXI's WAR with their Warcry, it enhanced the party's damage dealt. This would make WAR a favorite unless PLD had something similar that would increase the party's defense for a short time, great for raiding.

Increase the distance of Holmgang, a marauder CD that doubles(?) skill speed for 20secs (gives pacification for balance?) that pld can cross class( so i can focus stacking crit more, skill speed less), a trait that increases health from storms path, and a two handed swing action that procs in sword oath, doubling wep damage.

What do you think about a TP management skill for pld? Unlike Gload or Army's Paeon, maybe they can have an ability that reduces ability TP cost for a limited duration for all or 1 other party member..

And Warcry for War and a PVE equivalent of Tetsudo for Pld, I like that..

Really I want Marauder to have another move with that chain FX from holmgang.. idk how or what, just wanna see more chains! Steel Cyclone combo'd move that throws chains on all enemies n binds them :P chains chains chains

anyone remember Steel Cyclone from 1.0? Maybe they bring that back too, War would be kings of the speed run.

edit: or keep it simple and just give Warrior Life Surge. Same Ability, same cool down time, just a different name, thx

Life Surge
Ensures critical damage for first non-magic action used while Life Surge is active. Damage dealt will be absorbed as HP, up to 10% of maximum HP.

I just thought of something. Have a % chance to get a free CoS off of a Flash or RoH hit. Would be nice to get some extra CoS's in there.

(PLD) Phalanx - Self buff to increase damage resistance. Can be cast on self or party members

I also like the ideas of War Cry, Banish, and a few of the others.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

(PLD) Phalanx - Self buff to increase damage resistance. Can be cast on self or party members

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Playing off the name, it would be interesting if it was a sort of PBAoE buff that buffed you plus any party member in range and for every party member in range that got the buff, your buff stacked increasing your defense. It would potentially be a nightmare to coordinate, but conceptually it sounds interesting and kind of fun.

Or it could be an advanced version of Cover, when you link to any party members within range of you and for every linked party member you got a stack of a buff that increases your defense either mitigating the damage you are directly taking or helping to mitigate the damage you are taking for someone else.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

Or it could be an advanced version of Cover

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I could see something like this with the name. Everytime I see Phalanx I picture the Greek military formation.

THIS IS EORZEA!

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Originally Posted by Domira

Don't want too many active skills, or it will end up like Aion. Where you have a gazillion actives and need to use each one.

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Yeah, totally. Because PLD's have the most complex rotation ever. How would we ever keep track of more abilities. Heaven forbid we get a little bit of variety in our gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Feylie

Yeah, totally. Because PLD's have the most complex rotation ever. How would we ever keep track of more abilities. Heaven forbid we get a little bit of variety in our gameplay.

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Yeah it's kind of ridiculous that so many paladins are asking for passive/set and forget crap. We have more than enough defensive cooldowns and more than enough utility that doesn't work on bosses. If we get 5 new abilities (Job Quest at 52/54/56/58/60) I hope that we get like 4 WSes and 1 spell along with changes to some of our other abilities. I'm most likely going to be disappointed, but that's what Dark Knight is for I guess.

The war doesn't need a dps stance you just turn off the threat buff. The rebuff you get from berserk can be removed by the healer. Plus the knock back for steel cyclone would be counter productive since as a tank you want them right on top of you.

I don't think people fully understand why PLD is so dull.

Firstly, it barely qualifies as a tank. It barely qualifies as a job. It barely qualifies as anything. There is more thought involved in playing BLM/BRD than ever playing PLD in any encounter. People joke about it all the time, people use it as a mark against PLD, but seriously: it's 123 cooldown. You can try to make PLD as complex as you want, but you will have the exact same result every time. People are literally grasping at straws, attempting to use Oath swapping as an excuse to make PLD seem like more than it is. I have to try so hard to keep my brain on when I play PLD, I always drift off and start looking at everyone else while I'm tanking. That's not a good sign.

Secondly, it has no "mechanic". Let's take a look at other jobs: WAR has Wrath, BRD has songs, BLM has Umbral/Astral, SMN/SCH have Aetherflow, and MNK has Greased Lightning. DRG has no real mechanic but it survives on being an enjoyable DPS job with a lot of buttons to press. WHM doesn't have a mechanic but survives on being a healer in a game where there's very little versatility/change from fight to fight. PLD has no mechanic, has nothing interesting to do, and is just 123 cooldown. If you love playing PLD, it's because you literally don't want any responsibility to learn even a semblance of a mechanic, you want the easy ride to Final Coil. Be honest with yourself, do you really think you're jumping through hoops to play PLD? Do you feel like you have just as much of a right to brag about downing something as everyone else? When I had to play PLD in BCoB I literally felt cheated out of my victories. I felt like I just rode by on everyone else's accomplishment. Oh, cool, I pressed the cooldown when the big hit was about to be cast... yay... back to 123.

I've seen/heard a lot of people suggest that PLD needs a Riot Blade ender. While this would be nice simply for some versatility, I don't think it's the solution. What PLD needs is a mechanic, something to set it apart from everyone else and make it feel like a fun job to play. I don't know what that mechanic would be as I'm no game designer and I don't want to talk with authority like I've any idea what the solution would be, but just give us something to consider when we're pressing 123 500 times besides "did Shield Swipe proc?".

I think the biggest issue PLD is many skills secondary mechanics no longer work end game. Meaning shield bash is useless, no enemies can be stunned, flash is mostly useless except on adds, blind no longer works, shield swipe is useless since pacification doesn't work. So the class ultimately gets stuck with 123 over and over since nothing else works.

Yeah, PLDs need to have fights designed around them to make them interesting. Levi Ex is actually pretty fun as PLD, you have a lot of mechanics to take care of and the design makes great use of many of PLDs skills: Shield Bash, Tempered Will, Hallowed Ground, hell even Stoneskinning yourself.

CC never really made PLD that fun either to me. Chain stunning an add wasn't exactly any different than what you'd normally do. Instead of pressing 123, you pressed one button until the thing died and then went back to 123. Sometimes you had to watch for a castbar while you pressed that button, like Twister, and that meant you couldn't just close your eyes completely. The only time I remember using Flash for the blind was Titan HM if I was using a small CD like Foresight + Awareness. Silencing for T1/T2 was about as active as you could get and not many PLDs even did it since everyone decided to stack 2x BRD. I dunno, I've never felt that PLD's toolkit has made a fight any more interesting, but I guess some would disagree. I like Stoneskin and Cover a lot, and I'd actually like it if PLD was more focused on aiding the party since neither tank seems to have much focus on that (mainly just hitting the boss and using cooldowns).

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Yeah, PLDs need to have fights designed around them to make them interesting. Levi Ex is actually pretty fun as PLD, you have a lot of mechanics to take care of and the design makes great use of many of PLDs skills: Shield Bash, Tempered Will, Hallowed Ground, hell even Stoneskinning yourself.

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Warrior vs Paladin is Consistency vs Situational

Paladin:

Tempered Will: Situational, rarely used. Levi Ex and Titan are the only times I recall using it
Cover: Rarely ever used except in pvp
Shield Bash: Rarely ever used except in dungeons and Levi ex
Flash (Blind): 95% of mobs outside of dungeons are immune
Shield Swipe (Pacification): 95% of mobs outside of dungeons are immune, making shield swipe absolutely useless

Warrior:

Storm's Path: Always works
Storm's Eye: Always works
Brutal Swing: Situational, 95% of mobs are immune to stun outside of dungeons
Maim: Always works

Nearly all of their skills always work.



Aside from brutal swing, all of warrior skills are useful and are not situational. There is no mob mechanic that prevents warriors from getting the 20% dmg buff from maim, nor are mobs immune to storm's path or storm's eye, ever. The result is warrior has a lot more things to do. Paladin on the other hand, their skills get literally gutted. Everything is immune to blind, pacification and stun resulting in paladin being limited to rage of halone combo and cooldowns. Furthermore, PLD cooldowns are on average a lot longer than Warriors, resulting in again less things to do.

Its terrible class design on SEs part, why give a class mechanics that nearly all mobs are immune to? It would be a better idea to turn those mechanics into something that can be useful at all times, like buffs. How many situations have required for PLD to use cover? None really. PLD just needs to be made less situational to give it more complexity. Also compared to warrior, pld has worse cross skill choices.

The way I always saw it, Paladin is the "Entry Tank". They're strong, they get it done, and they're easy. Much like Dragoon is simple to play and White Mage is overall basic. They're what I think of when I think of a tank, healer or damage dealer. Paladin has the Sword and Shield, Dragoon is Kain from FF4 and jumps around dealing damage, White Mage is... well, a White Mage. Even the Chocobo's reflect this!

As for some neat ideas I'd like to see in the expansion. Sword and Shield Oath off the GCD and sharing like a 10s CD or something. I'd also like Paladin's to gain a new damaging ability, maybe something that'll chain off Riot Blade for some AoE damage around them or something. Something that isn't Flash or Circle of Scorn for AoE lol. For the Warrior, I'd like something to bring an enemy to me, like I throw a Chain and pull them at me on like a minute CD, maybe even stun them for 2s when they get to me.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Yeah it's kind of ridiculous that so many paladins are asking for passive/set and forget crap. We have more than enough defensive cooldowns and more than enough utility that doesn't work on bosses. If we get 5 new abilities (Job Quest at 52/54/56/58/60) I hope that we get like 4 WSes and 1 spell along with changes to some of our other abilities. I'm most likely going to be disappointed, but that's what Dark Knight is for I guess.

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Thank you! Even with DRK coming, there's very little that PLD can get defensive wise. We have everything pretty much.

Like really, the only thing they can give the job is more offensive options.

I'll start with Warrior, since it's my main.

- Marauder Abilities -

"Full Break" (Storm's Fury?): Combos off of Maim, refreshes the duration of Storm's Path and Storm's Eye debuffs, 280 potency.

Throat Jab: Silences the target. 80 Potency. Recast: 40s

- Marauder Traits -

Distracting Wounds: Fracture decreases the enemy's Intellect by 10%. Distracting Wounds cannot be stacked with the Dragon Kick status.

Enhanced Holmgang: Increases the duration of Holmgang's defensive buff to 20 seconds. Holmgang restores own HP. Cure Potency: 700. Cure potency scales with current attack power.

- Warrior Abilities -

War Cry: Delivers an attack with a potency of 150 to all nearby enemies. Ignores the damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed while Infuriated. All Wrath is lost when used. Additional Effect: Increases the damage dealt by allies by 10% for 10s. Recast: 60s

Embrace the Beast: Increases damage dealt by 100%, converts 100% of physical damage dealt into HP, nullifies the damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed while Infuriated. All Wrath is lost when used. Unable to use weapon skills or abilities for 5s after effect ends. Duration: 30s; Recast: 180s

- Gladiator Abilities -

Shock: Deals magical damage with a potency of 80 to all nearby enemies. Combo Action: Riot Blade. Combo Potency: 120. Combo Bonus: Increased Enmity.

Climhazzard: Delivers an attack with a potency of 175. Additional Effect: Sword Oath increases potency to 350. Recast: 30s

- Gladiator Traits -

Spiked Bulwark: Bulwark delivers an attack with a potency of 25 every time you block an attack. Potency increases with block strength.

Enhanced Shield Swipe: Shield Swipe may be cast off the global cooldown. Potency increases with block strength.

- Paladin Abilities -

Thunder Slash: Deals lightning damage with a potency of 100. Your next spell is cast immediate and its healing potency is quadrupled. Recast: 60s.

Crusade: Rushes target, maximizing enmity in target and delivering an attack with a potency of 100. Must be more than 10 yalms away from target to execute. Additional Effect: Refreshes the duration of Cover and increases its max range by 20 yalms. Recast: 30s

for plds, i wouldn't mind a third branch of skills that combo off fast blade which focuses more on damage-dealing, a buff that temporarily increases cure potency by a substantial amount, and a buff that temporarily increases blocked damage so it will work in conjunction with bulwark.