2.2 has sucked all the fun out of the game...

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a question, recall me the time between each action in FF11?

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Dude.. people don't remember what playing FFXI was actually like.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Enjoy your special snowflake i110 raiding gear while it lasts.

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I just got my mirror upgrade from Levi. I feel pretty snow flaky right now.

I totally agree with the things said here, and most of my FC/Friends also quit, static also gone so i canceled my sub, no one to play with anymore.

I have been playing since beta 3 or 4, and 2.2 crushed my game goals

Titan X can't be done even with over 9000% echo if I live in Colombia, and servers are in Canada, so close and servers were not in Mars
Pass it, of course pay 500.000gil

How the hell am I getting 500k gil or move to Canada?
Try Wtfast? yeah of course, even proxy wont help me dodging plumes...

Get a fucking static? I've been since December without static... puging t4, puging t5, well, I lost my hopes on clearing t5

I threw my towel, 10%... no... 5% cleared twintania and they can access new content, what about the other 95%
Pass it? of course pay 1.5 fucking million gil...

What I pay the sub for then... where my hard efforts go?

I can make 20k gil daily and that's too much...

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A five million echo percent wont make people dodge divebombs or understand conflags because the 5% of "diamond class elite raider ppl" will NEVER teach or help a friend, they will help you for 1.5 or 2 million gil.

Those 5% are happy because they get the hyper mega elite content they wanted to, because they are Asians or robots or idk

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I'm a LoL player, for those who play lol it can feel like:

Launch a new map and champion and leave it unlockable only for diamond 1 and challengers, want to experiment new content? pay elo jobs(same as paying a titan or t5 carry), I'm not a fucking corean and live in montreal with an $5000 alienware pc and a professional e-sport team to go through titan ex, t5, t6, 7 8 and 9.

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Ohh and don't forget the master crafting, the new called 3 star, difficulty is SO HIGH, its TWO times the 2 star one, it's a i140 difficulty to craft a i90 and i54 clothes

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Originally Posted by Roris

If your FATE doesn't pop then you can queue for the dungeon part or go hunt the mobs or do the leves or farm more myth for the next book unless the last thing you need is a FATE that takes 3 hours to pop. It's designed to be a time consuming quest at its finest and that's fine, the real bad decision was gating it behind an entirely RNG based grind that might have sounded good in the planning stages but ended up screwing a big chunk of the playerbase.

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What I felt that SE could at least do is make separate FATEs for the books and make it a fixed time event. like 0000hrs, 0300hrs, 0600hrs, 0900hrs so on and so forth that the FATE would pop.

AT LEAST we know when it would pop and we can actually do something else. Heck, even if SE wants to make it every 6 or 8hrs by all means but at least it is fixed, I know the time it will appear and I can enjoy or "enjoy" the other contents of 2.2. I could farm a second set of Atma or whatever as long as I don't need to stand on the same spot like an idiot waiting for that damn FATE.

Theres a lot to 2.2, its a more of a grindy long term patch which is a good thing it'll keep the servers more active than just one day week, THe core raiders may just cap and do raids but it gave a lot of others things to do to the other jobs, and ad lot of extra things to do. Challenge log is a fun side thing, encourages me to do things i can do but normally wouldnt, new fights so far cool. Crafting and gathering got some long term goals and stuff its not great stuff but its a start. Look at the hwole picture and not just a few things, 2.2 is a good step for the game in the long term be more than a sign on once a day game.

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

Hi all

I just wanted to share my big disappointment of the new patch and how much of a negative impacts it has had on people in my FC.

We're a medium size FC, have been playing since day one and have gone through most of the content at our pace (Coil, XM primals, Medium FC House, gathering/craftings, leveling alts).
At the end of 2.1, we were at a very comfortable balance between endgame progression, caping our tomes, leveling other classes, helping FC members and bonding with other FC.
We really enjoyed the game and we were looking forward to the new patch.

But 2.2 came out with it's major focus on grinding and nothing has been the same since them...


- Zodiac weapon quest:
This is the main thing that turned off people... The grind is just way too overwhelming.
Obviously people want to go for that new relic but the RNG element is just unrewarding. We haven't spent a lot of time of it but the hours we did spend gave us very little progression at all and were very frustrating because it's just not fun to grind fates that provide no challenge and no sense of accomplishment.
The book part of the quest is all frustrating because of the Myth grind (1300 myth * 9 books Oo) and again the mob/leves/dungeon/fate grinding element.
People are just not willing to go througn such boring work and we've had multiple members quitting the game because they just feel 2.2 sucked all the fun from the game.
The rest (me included) just don't do them at all in the hope that it'll get seriously nerfed soon...
So what does it leave us to upgrade our weapon? Levi XM and Second Coil. Problem is, we're now too few at that endgame level to run as an FC and we rely on PF which again builds frustration because of "experience people only", "must have killed it", and just the randomness of the party members in the PF group.


- Master crafting recipes: after getting few crafts to make 3 stars, it felt very unrewarding as well. Only LTW, WVR and ARM got new end product and all other crafts received only housing recipes and intermediate crafting mats. Also, given the time effort and money required to reach the stat cap, it all feels like a wasted effort.
There will never be a market for 3 star housing because they're ridiculously hard to make for no benfit at all. The crafting bench would be cool to make but if lvl 50 crafter could benefit from it since the 3 stars take a lot of CP. But, no only lvl40 and under can benefit from it even though nothing requires it even remotely. Heck, I leveled all my crafts with just HQ gear (no melds) and cheap food I could buy from vendors...
ilvl 90 gear can be a decent upgrade but they'll always be unreasonably expensive and people who can afford them, can craft them... The rest is just glamours/minions that again take too much effort for what it's worth.
I think that requirement for 3 stars were good but it proved to be very unrewarding in the end.

- New Gathering node: So I've been putting new the ores on the market but NQ is just worthless and no one will ever buy them since you NEED HQ mats to have a chance to craft 3 stars (which is good though). HQ ones don't sell because only hardcore crafter can use them and most of them are already self sufficient.

- The new dungeons: They are cool, especially Lost city. I'll take time to get the new soldiery gear but the grind for it is the same as we've experienced since 2.1 with myth so no issues here.

- Gardening is cool, probably the feature I enjoy most in 2.2


tldr:
2.2 is not fun, made many of my friends quit, and I'm thinking about quitting too.
Make the grind long through weekly locks or other mechanism that regulates progression but not from RNG and ridiculous requirements that only hardcore players would abide to.
Make it somehow interesting or that serves a purpose in bonding more with the game/universe, and something fair to all players.

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While 2.2 hasn't been overwhelming I would say it's far from sucking the fun out of the game. There is a grind but it's not excessive to be honest compared to many other games. Most people can get their stuff within a week or two which is a reasonable time frame.

I remember trying to +9 gear in K-Tera... it was an RNG whore, one wrong move and you could actually break your hard earned brand new weapon/armor before you even got to use it.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

What I felt that SE could at least do is make separate FATEs for the books and make it a fixed time event. like 0000hrs, 0300hrs, 0600hrs, 0900hrs so on and so forth that the FATE would pop.

AT LEAST we know when it would pop and we can actually do something else. Heck, even if SE wants to make it every 6 or 8hrs by all means but at least it is fixed, I know the time it will appear and I can enjoy or "enjoy" the other contents of 2.2. I could farm a second set of Atma or whatever as long as I don't need to stand on the same spot like an idiot waiting for that damn FATE.

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I agree, it'd be nice if the book FATEs had at least a set time to spawn. Feels really contradicting with the direction the game is finally taking that makes it so there's always something to do when some parts of the quest have a lot of downtime, like I said you could do other parts of the book before but when you're finally at the FATE part you still have to wait for them, which can anywhere from instantly to 2+ hours and you really can't do anything else or you might miss the tiny spawn window, except maybe summon your Chocobo and level it on other FATEs I guess. So yeah, a good solution would be set spawn times.

I liked the parallel progression paths of yore. Raiders had their ilvl 90 coil gear that was the best gear in most cases to keep them happy. While at the same time more casual players had myth gear that was also ilvl 90 that they could work towards and slowly dip their feet in coil when they felt confident enough. This is what kept me happy, and kept me playing.

Now though all top gear is locked behind the hardest content. Wave weapons are in reality locked behind Titan EX :P Titan HM was a major cockblock and Titan EX is the same. All ilvl 110 gear is in coil. Be it coil gear or the upgrade items for the masterworks gear (that is the same grind as myth gear was to achieve only with lesser rewards).

Perhaps we don't know what SE's roadmap for content is just. This patch is maybe just to keep the hardcore raiders busy for awhile while the next patch will focus on more casual content *shrugs*
For the love of God though please NO more stuff like that atma grinding.

Square made some silly choices with 2.2

- No way to upgrade to i110 equipment without running Coil. This alienates a huge portion of the player base because not everyone is a part of a good static. They should be rare drops from the HM dungeons or something. This is also gonna create problems in the future. When people start making PF groups that require an average item level unobtainable without i110 gear. Don't give the elitists power.

- Atma stone drop rate being quite low. Relic quest is The meant to be a major questline. You're just upsetting people when you prevent them from progressing because of unlucky rng. The book grind is grindy enough. There's no good reason to have the atma stones be such a pain to get.

- Mirror of whorl's drop rate being stupidly low. When 0.001% of the player base will be lucky enough to get one, why does it even exist? As it stands, unless you're super lucky, the tidal upgrade isn't even an alternative for a weapon choice because it's not feasible to obtain.

- New HM dungeons being a joke in difficulty. Pre 2.2 Pharos was way harder. Hell, 2.0 Amdapor Keep was harder. No.. I can go even further. Arum Vale is harder.

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Originally Posted by Roris

I agree, it'd be nice if the book FATEs had at least a set time to spawn. Feels really contradicting with the direction the game is finally taking that makes it so there's always something to do when some parts of the quest have a lot of downtime, like I said you could do other parts of the book before but when you're finally at the FATE part you still have to wait for them, which can anywhere from instantly to 2+ hours and you really can't do anything else or you might miss the tiny spawn window, except maybe summon your Chocobo and level it on other FATEs I guess. So yeah, a good solution would be set spawn times.

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Yup, I believe in other MMOs there are often overworld bosses that also spawns on set times. Heck some even will have a count down timer.

Since Yoshida wants us to grind in 2.2, seriously standing on the same place doing nothing, can't run too far from the FATE location isn't grinding. Give me a spawn time and meanwhile I can grind other things you want me to grind...

I think it being a fate thing is the most unappealing factor.. There has been several fate hate threads. I don't plan to grind for my animus myself and just wish the mirror drops.

It's only been a week.. Of a very early patch.. Why are a lot of people expecting xyz high level gear this early.

The grind for the ATMA's is not even bad, you can pace yourself. Again, it's only been ONE WEEK since the patch dropped some of you need to remember that. Some people just want everything handed to them I guess. -shrug-

"WAH-WAH, the grind for gear in an MMO is too difficult. Everything should have an above 75% drop rate on high tier items (mirror, atmas). WAH, SE WHY THE RNG SO TOUGH. I don't want to work for my gear, WAH." Seriously lol.

I like 2.2.

@OP, sorry you're having a rough time with 2.2, but it's still early man.

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

- Master crafting recipes: after getting few crafts to make 3 stars, it felt very unrewarding as well. Only LTW, WVR and ARM got new end product and all other crafts received only housing recipes and intermediate crafting mats.

- New Gathering node: So I've been putting new the ores on the market but NQ is just worthless and no one will ever buy them

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You're just doing it wrong if you think you can't make money after reaching mastery level for gathering and crafting. 2.2 revived so much of the market and you could simply make bank just by gathering darksteel ore or crawler cocoon to feed other crafters. All the crafters got a bunch of new cool recipes aside from culinarian (they got shafted big time). How hard is it to make money just by making intermediate mats that are in high demand by other crafters?

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Originally Posted by Fricca

I think it being a fate thing is the most unappealing factor.. There has been several fate hate threads. I don't plan to grind for my animus myself and just wish the mirror drops.

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I won't be seeing my relics new paintjob till they fix the drop rates. But serious kudo's to the people with the fortitude to cope with that tedium all the same. Some are only getting their weapons now and have been grinding since patch. Which is a shame as I think the book system is a novel approach. I'll be focusing on EX primals and ilvl 100 masterworks gear in the meantime

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

- New HM dungeons being a joke in difficulty. Pre 2.2 Pharos was way harder. Hell, 2.0 Amdapor Keep was harder. No.. I can go even further. Arum Vale is harder.

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I'm totally with you on AV. My parties got slaughtered so many times because of gigantic mallets to the face, pulling too much trash, getting a dozen debuffs at a time from the bad breath attack and getting overwhelmed by trash, etc... That dungeon was amazing.

Now my parties always steamroll the new dungeons and I manage to get through them completely drunk.

The biggest thing that disappointed me was the new 4-player dungeons being too easy. I was honestly hoping they'd at least have been as challenging as pre-nerf Pharos Sirius. If it were up to me I'd have not nerfed Pharos Sirius, made the rewards for completion 50 myth 45 soldiery, moved it to Expert Roulette and made the new dungeons around the same level of difficulty.

well for the new dungeon, i do have a paladin i87 and a monk i92... the ilevel recquire normally is far below, then yeah it's easy. they really need to add ilevel sync.. it become ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

made many of my friends quit, and I'm thinking about quitting too.

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Nice thats mean less threads like yours :D

I just state there is no casual play that's worth anything now CT was good it was casual play that helped you gear up. Now there is nothing like it for the casual players. You really cant get atma's as a causal player am going for them 3hours a day and am on 1/12 witch fine fair anothe dont want to make it to easy but yes there really is not any content there now that is worth doing

The patch wasn't fun. I simply refuse to do FATEs. I hated them before and I hate them even more now. I couldn't even bear to level doing FATEs. They're just an ungodly awful mechanic. Mind-numbing zerging. Not that most of the dungeons are any better. HM's have slight joy in them. Extremes could've been harder and thus more enjoyable.

I hope this doesn't become a pattern patch after patch.

Zodiac weapon that disappoint me the most on how alot of people who grinding all day at couples of places with multiples FATEs grinding and you never got any single drop at all... But I'm not quitting for that, I just want to be positive on myself and have enjoy the game you play everyday like I do to myself. I do like that Myth is being uncapped so that I am able to buy whole set of Paladin gear in same day by farming Crystal Tower runs. I do still support Square Enix because I am huge Final Fantasy series, regardless of how it looks or the story it is; I still support with it. If you can't handle with that, you are not considered yourself a Final Fantasy fan at all if you dislike about one thing or another thing. I am looking for FFXIV ARR to make more improvement in future with new patches and expansion packs.

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Originally Posted by Jonasan999

If you can't handle with that, you are not considered yourself a Final Fantasy fan at all if you dislike about one thing or another thing.

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So, even if Square-Enix is mocking you, you'll ignore it because you're a "true" Final Fantasy fan? ok, i consider myself a Final Fantasy fan too, but i'm not an idiot

Actually, from reading the posts... I am tempted to resub. It seems SE might be trying to put some effort into listening to people's concerns. Glad to hear crafting is being revitalized!

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Originally Posted by Doo

Yeah echo buff doesn't really help much in extremes. Having more dps in Ifrit isn't necessarily a good thing and titan you still need to dodge.

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Uh wrong. More dps in Ifrit helps a lot, especially in downing the nails in the last phase.

Also I like 2.2. It's made me start playing a lot more after I thought I was going to gradually ease off this game in favor of ESO.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

Uh wrong. More dps in Ifrit helps a lot, especially in downing the nails in the last phase.

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But it DOES cause overDPS, causing him to hellfire before your nails are all down. That's what he is referring to. Namely your DoTs will still be ticking on him and he will kill your party.

I'm sorry you fell this way, I personally think 2.2 was a step in the correct direction.

I'm having plenty of fun.

I'm not really having any fun right now either and after playing every single day pre-patch, I haven't played in a couple days and likely won't log in today either.

- Gating Leviathan Extreme and King Moggle Extreme behind Titan Extreme is stupid. I can MT/OT/DPS Titan Extreme through Super Bombs and normally not be hit by anything avoidable, but I still can't down this fight. I've been trying to for months. People have all but said that Titan is the most difficult fight of all the primals and yet I'm forced to continue to bang my head against it before I can even attempt Leviathan Extreme?

- Atma... yeah.. I'm not doing that. I'll either wait until they up the drop % or never get it. Long, boring grinds are not fun at all. Especially when all they did was recycle old fate content that most of us did a million times while leveling.

- Glamours... lol (the locked thread on this subject already stated why I hate this system).

- Myth unlock... they unlocked myth, but also made grinding it slow as christmas. Not everyone has a million hours to play per day. I have two or three per day max, so my myth collection doesn't really feel any different than pre 2.2. I'm still buying about 1 myth item per week. They made it so we could grind coil for i90 gear, but collecting myth is this slow? That really makes very little sense. I guess they did it that way for the stupid Atma grind.

Honestly, unlocking Coil has been just about the only thing I've enjoyed so far in this patch. I spent months tanking it and only had 1 drop the whole time. I now have several pieces on several jobs (though after 25 runs of Turn 2, the freaking tank pants have still yet to drop).

I think I'm about to just quit for a while. Maybe in 2.3 they'll make myth easier to grind, unlock the extreme primals for all and raise the drop rate of Atmas. Playing 2 or 3 hours per day and feeling like I accomplish nothing is not fun to me at all.

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Originally Posted by MrEzekial

No one beat AV without exploits.
No one beat PW until it was nerfed due to bad press.
Having a relic pre-dynamis change just proved you were a selfish and manipulative.
Ground Kings were only rewarded to whoever had the best packet bot.

All 3 of those things were horribly designed, and I wouldn't classify any of them as hardcore--just stupid. Mostly only the people that played through RMT, or tagging along with people who did got to experience those things.

The problem is tediousness as you said, and it needs to be addressed.

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I knew several people that had their Relic before the Dynamis change, and out of those 8 people only 3 were absolute (insert cuss word of choice). All others helped every member that wanted a Relic with dynamis. The funds were othervise used to get Medicine for specific fights when needed.


True those things were "stupid" but in FFXI times this was considered Hardcore. To be even able to get close to kill AV or PW you needed to invest either lots of gil or insane amount of time. Oh and AV got killed on Bahamut without exploits. A close friend of mine did it (well after Abyssea but still not "easy")

My EG LS claimed Fafninr, Behemoth several times and once also Nidhogg (which we had give away because several people at once had a DC because of poweroutage in their region). At that time we did not have claim bots. I left the LS for good when the Leader began to explain that he now will start using claimbots, I won't help anyone that uses such tools.

While I dislike Abyssea for what it has done to the game, you could have fun in it. The Hardcore aspect probably only the time you needed to get the things you wanted, but Farming Briaerus sure was soemthing else

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Originally Posted by Gumiho

A five million echo percent wont make people dodge divebombs or understand conflags because the 5% of "diamond class elite raider ppl" will NEVER teach or help a friend, they will help you for 1.5 or 2 million gil.

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Uh? There are guides and videos.

What else do you want them to do? Come at your house and clear the content with your character?

Also lol at "will never teach or help a friend". Well, maybe these people weren't your friend in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Araeya

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Really an excellent post.

One thing I haven't seen is that this update was intended to be for hardcore. At least that was my understanding. I definitely don't agree with the pathetic Atma drop rate, but the books for Animus is a step in the right direction. It is a grind with visible progression.

I haven't cleared Titan EX, so that weapon isn't available, and neither is Levi weapon. Also, I ahven't gone beyond T4 so while i have T5 avalaible, I haven't stepped in it yet. I don't blame SE for that, it is my own schedule, however I think the Atma rng is the only negative part of this update. The rest is really good.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'm having plenty of fun.

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I have never not had fun, before or after 2.2

This game has been great beginning to end!

I'm in the complete opposite boat, I hated 2.1 and thought it was boring/couldn't keep me logging in after Monday, now I'm excited to play every day. SO much to do.

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Originally Posted by Timethiuas

I haven't cleared Titan EX, so that weapon isn't available, and neither is Levi weapon. Also, I ahven't gone beyond T4 so while i have T5 avalaible, I haven't stepped in it yet. I don't blame SE for that, it is my own schedule, however I think the Atma rng is the only negative part of this update.

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I would just like to say thank you. so many ppl in this thread complaining are also the ppl that said they were going to take it at there own pace. now that they cant experience new content since they nvr got around to old content and they are mad... You all made the choice to do content at you own pace... now the "good" players arnt there to really help with that tier of content and there are alot of ppl looking for a carry that you are getting saddled with. This is what happens when you dont do new content when its fresh... and you can tell se saw this coming because of the new mounts are there probably to encourage "hardcores" to do old em with casuals.

To the rest.. with the echo and easily being able to out gear the content you claim is gating you.. get over it. For those that blame lag... if you lag to bad for titan you lag to bad for pretty much all new content. Im sorry but this mmo end game wont work for you.

And the rest... its pay to play not pay to win. Learn the fights dont rely on SE to nerf it into a enter and collect reward.

If you're friends quit because of a few changes they didn't like from a patch (that only released a couple if weeks ago) then they probably weren't here to stay regardless.

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Originally Posted by Acala

the echo and easily being able to out gear the content you claim is gating you.. get over it. For those that blame lag... if you lag to bad for titan you lag to bad for pretty much all new content. Im sorry but this mmo end game wont work for you.

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You're on Diabolos. If you don't like people complaining about being gated, Hows about you and the rest of your static help me get a Titan X win? :)

Seriously... I know the whole fight, don't have lag and I normally never get hit and even with echo I can't get a win. I'm not really sure what else I can do here.... I'm not going to pay 500K plus just to be able to move on to newer content.