I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

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Could you have imagined what would have happened if Blackwing Lair had released at a difficulty level lower than MC though? And we all got a piece of max level gear every 2 weeks?

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I fully understand your question. I do. And I agree. But there approach is attempting something somewhat foreign to us veteran mmo players. Its almost as if it is attempting a seperate but equal (even though they are changing coil to drop better weapons. Which i think will benefit a job much better than gear) paths.

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I never played SWTOR but I heard the game was such a failure because they pretty much handed you BiS and that was the end of it. Here we are 3 months into the game and I know several people in full i90 already and most people I have on my friends list are on turns 4 or 5. And we're still 4 months away from any content that can actually use i90 as well... That's what is wrong.

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What overall percentage of the playing population are the people you described? I got through titan behind the early curve, and I just recently (this week) got my relic +1. Im not bragging, but im saying I would wager that many are just playing what they want how they want. I dont think the majority are clamoring for ilvl90 content as much as the forums suggest. But this is just a theory.

As for handing out gear not feeling rewarding, that is somewhat subjective. My current gear could be said to be given to me. My DF to FC ratio of Hard Primal fights (for the weapons) is 10:1. So I kinda threw myself at the RNG in order to get stuff as opposed to making a static. I just relied on time to slow get where I am. And I view Relic armor vs Allagan as a cosmetic choice for me. I know this is subjective, but it makes me as a player happy to have options on what I want to wear (Darklight was another story lol).

I can't even remember the number of times I did raids in previous mmos where I was simply too much geared just for the sake of helpin people that were gettin in the guild, help them to gear up, collect the gear for vanity and stuff like that, it's always a pleasure if the mechanics are fun.

Crystal Tower have bosses who got pretty much the same abilities than in FF III and I don't doubt that SE added another layer. Who cares if its actually really challenging if you re havin fun by doin it. Isn't it what it's all about ? It's fillin the gap between darklight and allagan gear, that's the whole purpose of, so you can have easier time at progressin in coils with slightly more powerfull gear.

If the itemisation of CT, in terms of stats is better than DL (which is almost total crap for pretty much all the jobs), then it's absolutely relevant as content if it can help you to challenge harder tiers of progression. So yeah. Also SE said that they are workin on improvin the netcode so position can be updated in realtime but that will only affect endgame and pvp, otherwise it'd cause too much load on the server. So I still don't know why people are beein worried.

It's a mmo, it got a design / functionment at the base that just got refined over time and it's exactly what SE is doin atm. Tbh I'm not rollin a 3rd toon atm because I'm sick to death of AK /WP runs outside the purpose of beein capped in myth so additional things to do is a more than welcomed change. I'm not of this guy complainin for everything, I guess that you can sign up with 3 groups at the same time for CT and end up in the same instance. If not, well too bad, gonna wait for a proper 24 men signin up to be implanted, its not biggie, its not like theres no other content in that patch to do :)

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Well, no. You're still missing my issue with it.

The issue I have is that the development team has put a lot of time and effort into a raid that will be largely either ignored or made trivial by people who are running it already outgearing it alongside people who DON'T outgear it. It's irrelevant content. It's content that isn't challenging for people unless you're in my shoes - just hit 50, haven't run a lot of WP/AKs for tomes - and even then, it'll be trivialized through the use of Duty Finder matching 8 people with 16 strangers, several of whom most likely already outgear it. Or for people that are leveling alternate classes of course (the key comment on loving my SMN placing emphasis on those classes being alternate, by the way).

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As for making your own party, I agree is it kinda silly. Time will tell if they reverse that decision. As for me not understanding you, I think I actually do. I may have just not conveyed it in my text. You are saying that the time should be focused on making something harder than coil, yes? So as to not be irrelevant. I say that at this point in 14's life, any content if relevant. Who knows, maybe they will introduce Transmogrification. Then places like Brayflox will explode with people running it who out gear it.

Also, before we get carried away. We cannot dismiss the fact that SE may have different teams working on different content. Remember their monetary income is rather static since this is a sub game and not F2P. If it were F2P then you would be very correct in thinking that they have few who can work on and churn out this content.

I shall be the first . . . and ONLY . . . individual here to admit that I just play because I like it. I do not play for gear, or ranks or ways to show off to another player. I just play because I like to do something in my free time when the weather sucks outside.

With that said, there there ARE days where I do NOT like it. Fortunately there are so many awesome MMO games out there that my mood can take me wherever I want.

I never see the point in sitting there thinking, "Okay so i am not having fun any more, therefore I shall assess that this game is on a downturn or going out of business, etc, etc, infinity." I see that on EVERY MMO forum, and yet each of those MMO games are still enjoyed by so many people that the communities are still strong in every one of them.

Also, bear in mind that this game has been out for not even a year . . . in fact not even half a year. It is new and fresh and still well within development. People get their character leveled and because they did so faster than the devs could make new content, they automatically assume that there is no future content coming and that the game is pretty much dead. Isn't it much easier to take a step back and log onto one of the other MMO games that you play (especially since I do not know of anyone who plays only one game).

For me personally it's: FFXIV ticked me off today because I had a bad day of healing . . . time to explore the final frontier in STO . . . oh wait! STO gave me that awesome driver crash with season 8 . . . time for Neverwinter . . . BAH! The Ranger isn't released yet . . . OH!!!!! AWESOME!!!! I apparently have a family. I guess i shall have dinner with them ;)

Just a disclaimer that this is just my post to show how I feel about the game, and I am not claiming anyone to be absolutely right or wrong. It is simply my opinion that this game is doing fine and that we will most likely see future content beyond what is discussed here.

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What overall percentage of the playing population are the people you described? I got through titan behind the early curve, and I just recently (this week) got my relic +1. Im not bragging, but im saying I would wager that many are just playing what they want how they want. I dont think the majority are clamoring for ilvl90 content as much as the forums suggest. But this is just a theory.

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Gosh who knows right? I doubt I'm just somehow friends with the 1% of the population that's almost through coil, so I suspect the ratio of players deep in coil vs not is quite a bit higher than you would expect from other games. I'm completely fine with myth gear itself being the way it is. But I think it would have been more compelling if it was only rewarded from higher level, more difficult content. Maybe that's what AF2 is designed to be though, higher level token raid gear.

i.e. - Extreme Primals, Coil, CT (maybe? depends how difficult it actually is), and HM dungeons designed for players in full i70 with i80+ weapon. It would have actually been a progression system then.

Only a small % of the population is doing coil. The new zone will be used by many people.

How many people already payed for 180day sub? I did. And I will be extending to the 270 day asap. A lot of people will be doing this I think. See you all in game!

180 days is my contest testing period. I paid up to next feb. :D

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Are you suuuure you mean "1.0"? As in, the initial launch of FF14? As in, the really really bad one? Not the later PATCHES that improved the game immensely? You suuuuure you mean 1.0?

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Positive bro. I had a reason to log on every single day in 1.0 --- Relic weapons were hard to get. Garuda needed a good group of geared people to complete and the weapons were 2nd best in the game. Dark Light gear (OR THE BEST GEAR) wasn't a joke to get in the game. Mobs could be farmed for various items because crafting wasnt a joke to get to 50 - - - Each mob in the game had a purpose for a specific craft level. Gathering wasnt a complete joke where you could farm 200 of an item within an hour only to flood the markets and drop the price. You needed so many materials in order to get your way to level 50 and even then the materials were still used in spiritbonding ..... ANOTHER complete joke in this linear stat game...

So what you're saying is, the game was better when you had to grind endlessly.

Sure.

Sounds fun to me.

How's them nostalgia goggles workin for ya?

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Positive bro. I had a reason to log on every single day in 1.0 --- Relic weapons were hard to get. Garuda needed a good group of geared people to complete and the weapons were 2nd best in the game. Dark Light gear (OR THE BEST GEAR) wasn't a joke to get in the game. Mobs could be farmed for various items because crafting wasnt a joke to get to 50 - - - Each mob in the game had a purpose for a specific craft level. Gathering wasnt a complete joke where you could farm 200 of an item within an hour only to flood the markets and drop the price. You needed so many materials in order to get your way to level 50 and even then the materials were still used in spiritbonding ..... ANOTHER complete joke in this linear stat game...

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so you're talking about 1.23, not 1.0. The original 1.0 have nothing of this. In fact, it had nothing AT ALL.

The biggest gripe I have is that SE took the system 1.0 had as far as cross-class abilities and butchered it to where you could really just consider the 3-5 abilities you're going to use as mandatory. There really isn't much choice involved.

In 1.0, Bard had a different set of skills to use for each encounter and within that, their role within that encounter.

Monk could equip threat skills and tank content if required (most notably, the Black Mage Faction Quest, but also things like Ifrit or Skirmish).

Sure, in 1.0 a lot of the abilities were pretty standard but there were options.

More notably, this is just a butchered skill tree where you have zero choice. You have zero choice in gear progression. You have zero choice for melds. The game needed a non-laggy UI, better server latency/response, a more active (dodging) combat system, and more things to do once you were max level.

Instead, the game was turned into an 8-pack of crayola crayons where it still has poor latency/response times, the dodging is easier because every fight is scripted and there are less things to do at max level.

Probably my favorite part of 1.0 was the fact that I could get my class leveled in about 6 hours and then I could go back to doing something I considered fun. I didn't have to level the class in 6 hours, there were certainly options you could take for a slower ride to 50 and my first class I did exactly this. After that I chose the 6 hour route because it was mostly in support of my main, mostly because I wanted to see the other classes at 50 - not how they were at 20.

The game wasn't better because I had to grind endlessly, the game was better because I had something to do.

I play this game for 2 hours a week and the only time I played it for longer was when Turn 5 came back up.

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Alright, that's fine then - I agree that rare loot drops are a fantastic way to encourage people to continue doing content they've already done, or have harder content where you can only get the best of the best gear there. The latter is the case for Coil, but outside of ADS furniture pieces (and potentially the primal pieces too) there isn't anything really rare that you can get at lvl 50 from repeated content. I think Relics ARE a lot easier to get than they should be, but I think the relics are going to scale with difficulty - as in, you may have gotten your Relic to +1 by grinding tomes, but perhaps you need to complete Extreme Primals to get it to +2, and then even harder content for +3, and so on and so on.

I think the main reason this problem exists is we are in 2.0, which was the point of my original post. 1.0 started very lackluster and later evolved into a decent MMO, then got shut down and rebuilt. Everyone coming in at 2.0 need to catch up to everyone who started in 1.0 and they want to get this done as fast as possible - that's why DL is so easy to get, that's why Relic is so easy to get, that's why there's only one end game raid. Unfortunately for Legacy players, the game isn't quite for you just yet. 2.2 and beyond I'm sure we'll see more expansion on true end game, but for now every new player needs to get caught up (which is why 2.1 is introducing more paths to get to Coil quickly).

Speaking of gathering, though, I think that "Treasure Hunting" will be a more complicated method for getting rare crafting items so we'll see a return of that. I'm all for having more things to do for everyone, I just think they want to get everyone to the point where everyone can be grouped together, that way all content can be intended for EVERYONE rather than just the casuals or just the hardcore.

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so you're talking about 1.23, not 1.0. The original 1.0 have nothing of this. In fact, it had nothing AT ALL.

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This is also what I meant but I wasn't around for the launch of 1.0 so I only know that actual "content" existed later on. Which is fine, and that's how I see 2.0 going.

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I have been informed the devs have actually addressed the netcode issue and are working towards fixes. This is fantastic news for someone who loves this game as much as I do. I will be resubscribing this evening.

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Not going to criticise your post, I'm not at end game and I've never been a harcore raider so not my place to, but I do have to question just how much you 'love' this game given than you unsubbed and resubbed at the flip of a coin before the first proper game update was even out of the gate?

You put forward a good argument in your OP, but completely lost me when it got to UNSUBBING/OKAY RESUBBING at the end.

They've literally just finished rebuilding this game from the ground up in an effort to rectify past mistakes - possibly the most genuine apology any game developer has issued in history, give them a chance to get into the swing of things before you start condemning them.

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Not going to criticise your post, I'm not at end game and I've never been a harcore raider so not my place to, but I do have to question just how much you 'love' this game given than you unsubbed and resubbed at the flip of a coin before the first proper game update was even out of the gate?

You put forward a good argument in your OP, but completely lost me when it got to UNSUBBING/OKAY RESUBBING at the end.

They've literally just finished rebuilding this game from the ground up in an effort to rectify past mistakes - possibly the most genuine apology any game developer has issued in history, give them a chance to get into the swing of things before you start condemning them.

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This particular issue IS a game-breaking one, at least for me. I stated that elsewhere. Dunno what's hard to get about it.

The issue was in place for years - in 1.0, in beta, without so much as a word from the devs. Since I primarily focus on endgame and raiding, it was game-breaking. Still is, really, I just plan on seeing how it pans out since they've FINALLY acknowledged it.

1. The best thing about SWTOR's alt's is everyone had their own storyline. Sadly, the class and job stories in ARR are far too short. That said, I would rather ARR include multiple recruitable Companions who have their own storylines.


2. I do agree with the OP that he basically feels "punished" for focusing on a main class. Fair enough that it is purposely quite easy to gear all classes it would be frustrating otherwise, but ARR could do with some legendary quests for each class which more or less force players to pick a main. Basically, Hunting Logs to the extreme where only the crazy would bother to do it for all classes, not just killing mobs but comprising all aspects of the game and each log would be different for each class. Marvel Heroes has a good example of this (in fact they even call it legendary quests)

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You put forward a good argument in your OP, but completely lost me when it got to UNSUBBING/OKAY RESUBBING at the end.

They've literally just finished rebuilding this game from the ground up in an effort to rectify past mistakes - possibly the most genuine apology any game developer has issued in history, give them a chance to get into the swing of things before you start condemning them.

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No offense, but your whole reply makes no sense. You're saying that because the Company's first attempt to make money off your love for the Final Fantasy games failed miserably and they (hastily) attempted a second one, half-cooking some "remake" in the process, an aforementioned Final Fantasy series fan must keep paying them money in hopes they'll improve the game at some point? "Hey man, I'm sure it'll get better someday, keep paying!"

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They've literally just finished rebuilding this game from the ground up in an effort to rectify past mistakes - possibly the most genuine apology any game developer has issued in history, give them a chance to get into the swing of things before you start condemning them.

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This is an odd argument. You say that as if such an "apology" was a burden, when in fact it made them a ton of money.

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This is an odd argument. You say that as if such an "apology" was a burden, when in fact it made them a ton of money.

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Post release. Yes. But how much did it cost them to shut down, and give free play time, and pay developers to redesign the current game. All on the hopes of people wanting to play.

I think that was the point. Im just guessing though.

I didn't know so many people had Turn 5 on farm. I've never even seen an Allagan weapon.

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I didn't know so many people had Turn 5 on farm. I've never even seen an Allagan weapon.

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Both my FC groups do 1-5 in an hour.

After reading 5 of so pages of comments, its nice to see someone who is capable of providing discussion and willing to change his opinion instead of the usual "I'll defend my doomspeech until the very day I die!" sort of dogma we get from angry progression raiders nowadays. Borfin, you're a bro. Grats to you for sticking with the game.

As a person who's played SWTOR since closed beta, I can assure that this game is nowhere near where SWTOR was three months into launch. I've always played FFXIV 1.0 since closed alpha. No matter what happens to this game, and I doubt anything horribad will happen at this rate, it will surely be better than it was in 2010.

(Stupid post limit... *grumbles like an angry lalafell*)

Part 2 (Damn it, fix this post limit plleeease!)

But then again, this is my opinion. I'm not going to go through the long, arduous process of researching subscription numbers and looking at market data. This is my weekend and I'm relaxing today. What matters it that Yoshi-P's team at Square Enix are actively listening. He's still releasing live QAs and communicating with us.

Yoshi-P told us things would get better back in 1.0, and it did. So I don't see why the game won't become even better in the future. So Borfin, I'm glad you're hopping on this amazing train of hope and rainbows with us.

You can edit your post to bypass the post limit. :)

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WHA!? Holy crap you can!? Thanks dude, I'll remember that next time. No seriously, thank you. :)

Idk why people play this game for 8+ hrs a day every day looking for the next item drop that will make their character 0.1% stronger.

You guys must realize that you are playing a pve game focused entirely on instances and gcd with scripts handing u ae ranges on a platter.

Look elsewhere, this game is made for casuals.

You won't find meaningful content in this type of mmo its just not going to happen. Ever. Find something else to do as the mmo model ur looking for doesn't exist anymore.

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You're saying that because the Company's first attempt to make money off your love for the Final Fantasy games failed miserably and they (hastily) attempted a second one [..] keep paying them money in hopes they'll improve the game at some point?

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I'm not an FF fanboy, this is the first FF game I've played since VII. What I'm saying is...

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Post release. Yes. But how much did it cost them to shut down, and give free play time, and pay developers to redesign the current game.

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...this. A huge gamble, sunk a ton of money into it, a lot of devs would've stuck or just pulled the plug altogether.

This is essentially a brand new game. SWTOR is used as an example in this thread, heaven knows why because I believe it was/is a terrible game. All it's got is the story & the IP, that's it. FFXIV has a ton of stuff to do. It's going to take time for new stuff to be added, same as with any new mmo, s'all I was saying.

I like that Okun is still a habitual liar.

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...this. A huge gamble, sunk a ton of money into it, a lot of devs would've stuck or just pulled the plug altogether.

This is essentially a brand new game. SWTOR is used as an example in this thread, heaven knows why because I believe it was/is a terrible game. All it's got is the story & the IP, that's it. FFXIV has a ton of stuff to do. It's going to take time for new stuff to be added, same as with any new mmo, s'all I was saying.

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This isn't a brand new game by any means. Engine is the same, mechanics are the same. Some things were redesigned, but let's be honest, at least 60% of it is just as it was at the time of shut down.

It cost them less than make a new game from scratch, much less as most of it was already there. And that is WHY you got it back up so fast.

You know, at some point Yoshi said "we answer only to ourselves, we don't have investors to answer to, thus the reason we can do some things with this game other companies cannot" and, well, this makes me wonder what was the rush to release a remake so half cooked then.

You know, this reminds me of how some people sell their used cars for quick profit: they do some light maintenance, try their best to conceal any problems and put it up for sale. When a buyer comes they see a shiny good looking car while seller smiles and tells them everything with the car is perfect, but after a few miles/kilometers one starts noticing that not all is as it was told. That's pretty much the case with this game: people were surprised by how well it played in first month, but then they all reached a point when half baked story is past them, crafting makes no impact on anything BUT unlike any other MMORPG out there takes a lot of time and effort (class switching, constantly pressing 2 buttons) and endgame is practically nonexistant AND hard to engage in for some (Coil is unreachable for many which is okay, but these insane dps wait times for pretty much essential endgame dungeons?) and are wondering "What have we actually been sold? Is it really that good as we thought it was?".

SWTOR at the release was superior to ARR in every way _in terms of content_. You had open world pvp (which was kinda broken but you had it), two huge endgame planets, pvp battlegrounds, 5 hardmode dungeons, 1 raid with 2 difficulty modes and LOADS of well designed single player story content which added a ton of replayability value. There were reasons to group up for questing in that game which are nonexistant in ARR. In today's SWTOR state it's just unreachable for ARR for the next few years at least.

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SWTOR at the release was superior to ARR in every way _in terms of content_. You had open world pvp (which was kinda broken but you had it), two huge endgame planets, pvp battlegrounds, 5 hardmode dungeons, 1 raid with 2 difficulty modes and LOADS of well designed single player story content which added a ton of replayability value.

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It also had World Bosses as end game content. And NMs as regular content.

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...this. A huge gamble, sunk a ton of money into it, a lot of devs would've stuck or just pulled the plug altogether.

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They couldn't do that. Having a game in a series tank, pretty much mean that it's the end for the series.

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This isn't a brand new game by any means. Engine is the same, mechanics are the same.

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...the fuck ? I think you never played 1.0, but you actually even know what you're saying? The game engine IS different: the old one used crystal tool, this one use a custom version of the new engine SE worked for Agni's phylosophy, the luminous engine.
The mechanism is also very different from 1.0, and 1.23 too: there were a ffxi-like system, where tp regenerated slowly only with every auto-attack, we now have a more modern approach. sorry, you don't know what you're talking. Even if the game have indeed a huge porting from previous game (mostly lore, name of locations and characters models) the game is and should threated like a fresh game.

also, lol @ TOR HUGE endgame, which was broken and unplayable for all the bugs the game had.

You speak as if 90% of the playerbase is in full mythology/allagan gear but it is infact the other way around. Crystal Tower WILL serve it's purpose for the majority of the playerbase and for the minority in full myth/allagan it will serve as something new or fresh to do instead of complaining on forums about how everything short of ilvl 100+ is useless content.

I'm sure they'll keep crying and if somehow they survive til 2.2 they will just gobble up new coil and QQ moar at 2.3's CT update. This cycle will never end but they must remember they are the minority and this game was not built around them. Patience is key to happiness and success

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also, lol @ TOR HUGE endgame, which was broken and unplayable for all the bugs the game had.

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the only thing 'broken' were the platforms during the soa fight and a couple of other mechanics in eternity vault. ev was still cleared by the 'hardcore' guilds within a week (granted those guilds powerleveled for days and already did the fight in beta, but regardless)

not that it matters much, by the end of january the player base level curve as at roughly 25 or something, and ev was completely fixed by then. so fact remains, a month in TOR had a ton more 'serious endgame' than ARR has

and you know what? it's still not concerning me in the least, because I'm .still. playing TOR, enjoying it immensely actually. why I'm only playing it 2-3 nights a week these days? well... ARR! hm. yeh. all's good. (though not sure how this will look like in two weeks with galactic starfighter coming and all. space pvp vs no pvp... mh mh mh)

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anyway. what I was really trying to say:
Rift has shown that 'lots of endgame' is not the number one formula to keep people playing a game
TOR has shown the same, when you're really serious about it, because there was only a very, very small minority actually lvl 50 by the time the players left. most people left because they were having a hard time finding people. servers were empty because 50.. yeh.. bw went a little overboard there. with no group finder it was super hard to find people to do instances with (you had to basically stay on the fleet all day and couldn't quest)

not forgetting to mention that people plain expected SWG 2.0 which should have been obvious that it wasn't going to happen. (especially since even at it's peak swg never had more than 300k subs, a number EA would have NEVER EVER accepted)

from the beginning TOR was the game people loved to hate, and when you constantly read negative c* on the forums of the game itself it does something to you. I noticed it myself. when I spent 30 minutes on the forums I HATED the game. when I spent 30 minutes online I LOVED it.

(same with ARR, by the way, only less bad, because this forum may be 'bad' but not nearly as bad as the TOR forums were)

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No.

I like SW:TOR. I'm a hardcore PvEer on it(formally hardcore PvPer), and even I know that it's bug heaven. The latest example is the fourth boss of Dread Fortress HM, which they broke, tried to fix only to break it even more. It's actually been fixed now, but there's about a billion other bugs still floating around. Some bugs from beta seem to reappear every few patches.

SW:TORs engine is also crap. That's why IIum had to be reworked a few times(well, that and kill trades) until they found a way their engine could handle it.

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No.

I like SW:TOR. I'm a hardcore PvEer on it(formally hardcore PvPer), and even I know that it's bug heaven. The latest example is the third boss of Dread Fortress HM, which they broke, tried to fix only to break it even more. It's actually been fixed now, but there's about a billion other bugs still floating around. Some bugs from beta seem to reappear every few patches.

SW:TORs engine is also crap. That's why IIum had to be reworked a few times(well, that and kill trades) until they found a way their engine could handle it.

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and how many guilds are even doing hm df yet?

bugs happen. at least they are trying to fix stuff.

same as SE does.


I know very well what went 'wrong' with TOR, but this is still a ARR forum and it's freaking ridiculous to complain about these things, 'threatening' that it will 'end up' like TOR (which is running successful, no matter who claims otherwise) when it's quite obviously two games that can only be compared because they are both MMOs.


again, I'm amused nobody ever uses ACTUALLY dying games as examples, because then we could see why a game fails - or not.


ps: I love how you say 'no' to my statement like it was wrong. I'm fairly sure that dread fortress was NOT release content (to those not in the know, dread fortress was one of the two last operations that were added. lol)

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I was reacting to the part of the post you quoted. Which didn't isolate any particular version of TOR, so I assumed you weren't ONLY talking about the older ones.

I should have probably scrolled back to read all of the post you quoted, but I'm lazy. And if we are talking about the older versions, then SoA was not the only broken content.

I'm not defending whatever the OP was talking about, I'm simply pointing out that SW:TORs endgame was and is pretty darned buggy.

BTW my raid group already cleared HM Dread Fortress.

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I was reacting to the part of the post you quoted. Which didn't isolate any particular version of TOR, so I assumed you weren't ONLY talking about the older ones.

I should have probably scrolled back to read all of the post you quoted, but I'm lazy. And if we are talking about the older versions, then SoA was not the only broken content.

I'm not defending whatever the OP was talking about, I'm simply pointing out that SW:TORs endgame was and is pretty darned buggy.

BTW my raid group already cleared HM Dread Fortress.

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I didn't say it was the only thing that was bugged. I said it was the only thing that was broken, and I guess we have different definitions of broken. I've never played an MMO in my life where nothing was bugged, so I guess I'm just not seeing the point in pointing out 'little flaws' like they were game-breaking.

for example in ARR I really, honestly, don't see ANYthing game breaking right now - except the latency.

I accidentally let my sub run one month, but I quit a long time ago. 2.1 won't make me come back and after seeing the direction SE has chosen I don't think I will be back. I will wait for EQN and Titan instead, I've played the ARR game too many times before in the last 10 years, it is old already at release. That doesn't mean it is bad I mean it is just a matter of taste and there are still several million playing WoW (which is actually moving away from the things ARR are introducing, like dailies and world "please look forward to it"). I will keep an eye out just because I love FF though and honestly I can't cry about what they are doing because even though I think they are doing mistakes with releasing the first big patch late and with content that is remakes of what is already in the game and the new content being lower tier, I dunno they basically remade a whole game in two years or something. So ggwp SE, not for me, but well done nonetheless which I think the numbers reflect. Not sure how will hold to the test of time vs the new generation of MMOs, but still a good job.

I always read people upset about grinding out tomes or just coming on for Coil, I feel kinda sad for them.

I'm in nearly full Myth gear and Coil gear, and there's still so much I can enjoy out of the game.

Obviously it's not for everyone, but some people don't even try anything but "hardcore progression".

& to say Crystal Tower is useless, and skippable is such bullox, to that logic, everything is skippable, you don't HAVE to do story, you don't HAVE to do Coil, you don't HAVE to craft, you don't HAVE to play the game.
You play it because you enjoy it, make friends, make goals.

Like I said, not for everyone, but spiritbonding parties and levelling my chocobo have been the most fun I've had since levelling to 50.
Making friends, do it on my own time, make gil and chocobo exp, enjoy the sights and much more.

Still enjoying doing dungeons as my Monk with my GF, fishing and filling up my fishing log, collecting all the minions, crafting, playing with friends, making new ones, helping new players, hell I still enjoy FATEs, simply because I never burned out on them. Take things slower and things might be better

I've never found a game alive that I've enjoyed after no-life marathoning it.
That's my long useless rant

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Originally Posted by Mistoltin

Completely agreed.
Was talking to a friend in game and was saying that this game was potentially heading down the same path.
The only saving grace is that FFXIV will never see the day of F2P, though, to be honest, it's not exactly feeling completely worth the subscription fee either.

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That is because this game needed to be under the sun a little while more. Thing is, since 1.0 was shit. They hastily remade this game and it feels empty.
Everything you do is a straight line. There is nothing on the side to do. Which is why we need more filler things to do.
I'm sad to see this game being as generic as we can get.