Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by BastienWyngarden

This may be a bit pedantic, and I mean no disrespect, but the word you’re looking for is “segue”, a “Segway” is a vehicle.

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I hate when multiple words sound the same...

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Originally Posted by BastienWyngarden

This may be a bit pedantic, and I mean no disrespect, but the word you’re looking for is “segue”, a “Segway” is a vehicle.

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If the dev team was riding around on segways in the office, maybe we would get stuff done more quickly!

Nothing to add, just wanted to add a comment to support the male Viera movement. The bunny boys would be stunning, and you know it!

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I hate when multiple words sound the same...

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There, their, they're.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I hate when multiple words sound the same...

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When the pure "writing-by-vocabulary" does not work, you gotta do a grammar check and problem solved.

As the rabbit above me said: "They" and "their" can be easily swallowed, but what would make sense? They car or their car?

Its crazy that they havent really talked about this still. Not even a "nope still not a plan"

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Originally Posted by heynowjose

Its crazy that they havent really talked about this still. Not even a "nope still not a plan"

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Because there isn't anything left for them to say that they haven't said already.

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Originally Posted by heynowjose

Its crazy that they havent really talked about this still. Not even a "nope still not a plan"

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Pretty sure they already said what was needed to be said: "Maybe, if we will have resources for it, we will try to do this". What else they can say? I mean this answer doesn't mean that this thread isn't needed anymore, but there isn't much what they can say. Even if they are in progress of making them - they will not say it openly to not cause another rage-wave from another part of community that wants their resources placed in other areas. Same if they aren't doing them. It's literally "continue to ask for content, but wait for it without developer answer" situation.

Luckily that actually is the only answer we actually need. They don't ever have the resources to do anything. So male viera is a no.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

So male viera is a no.

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That wasn't their answer. /shrug/ They often say "we are shorthanded", but then "suddenly" add a thing. Such vague answers are good to place themselves in a safe area "if we manage it - players will be glad, but if we don't - they can't blame us for it", that's it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Luckily that actually is the only answer we actually need. They don't ever have the resources to do anything. So male viera is a no.

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Wow....unless I missed it, this looks like the 1st Lost Hope comment I've seen in this thread from a Male Viera supporter.

But cmon, they never said "no" and they never said "yes" themselves.
And Yoshi can't give a definitive answer if it's happening or not.
But, and I'll keep saying this, if they do outright say "yes, it's happening" then I think Yoshi and team need to have something to show for it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Luckily that actually is the only answer we actually need. They don't ever have the resources to do anything. So male viera is a no.

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You're talking like it's one of those abandoned MMOs that see no updates for years, rather than one that gets constantly updated as this one is.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Let me guess.....the run?
Otherwise I dont see why anybody would think the Hroth look bad in motion

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they run like they have a broom shoved up their ass

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Luckily that actually is the only answer we actually need. They don't ever have the resources to do anything. So male viera is a no.

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Yeah, they seem to be struggling immensely when it comes to anything related to character customisation. With Hrothgar and Viera lacking access to key hairstyles and many headgear options it isn't looking likely that the missing genders will be added anytime soon - especially with the reluctance for a complete overhaul of the character creation system in general. Even WoW, a game much older than FFXIV, has updated the character models once already and is set to heavily expand the customisation over time with key features requested by the community for years.

They're not going to address it until they have something to actually address. I wouldn't expect actual word of male Viera or female Hrothgar until 6.0, at the earliest. It'd be a pretty big deal to add to a patch.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

They're not going to address it until they have something to actually address. I wouldn't expect actual word of male Viera or female Hrothgar until 6.0, at the earliest. It'd be a pretty big deal to add to a patch.

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We were always unlikely to see them added in a patch. The issue is that by not addressing it at all it's very easy for them to just sit back and hope that people forget/grow disillusioned with the idea over time. It's been clear since day one that there was a reluctance to add them (especially with Yoshi-P referring to them as 'weird' in an early interview). They'd only be weird if they made to be weird.

Following on from that, they claim to have added Viera due to 'popular demand' and yet going back through the original thread asking for Viera to be added a considerable amount of the feedback was down to people being excited about the possibility of finally seeing them. The amount of people asking for female viera to be added isn't actually as high as I initially thought it would be - the numbers were padded out and the thread kept active by people asking for the men to be added as well.

It's a shame that FFXIV struggles so much in regards to character customisation. To the point where even pseudo-MMO's like Monster Hunter World have a much better character customisation system. At least in that I can design a character that is both classically handsome and fairly well-built, whereas in FFXIV I cannot do that.

Though, of course, the development team bend over backwards to ensure that those wanting to play 'waifus' are catered to at every turn. It's a bit embarrassing, really! It's just a shame that the MMO market is so stagnant these days. I enjoy FFXIV, though the character customisation system is one of my major issues with it across the board, tying into other issues I have with the game as well.

Apparently they have the money to spend on TV spin offs but not to hire more staff for the very rote work of high-res texture asset conversion... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least the latest murmurings from them give me a bit more hope that they intend to improve the graphics in time.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

We were always unlikely to see them added in a patch. The issue is that by not addressing it at all it's very easy for them to just sit back and hope that people forget/grow disillusioned with the idea over time. It's been clear since day one that there was a reluctance to add them (especially with Yoshi-P referring to them as 'weird' in an early interview). They'd only be weird if they made to be weird.

Following on from that, they claim to have added Viera due to 'popular demand' and yet going back through the original thread asking for Viera to be added a considerable amount of the feedback was down to people being excited about the possibility of finally seeing them. The amount of people asking for female viera to be added isn't actually as high as I initially thought it would be - the numbers were padded out and the thread kept active by people asking for the men to be added as well.

It's a shame that FFXIV struggles so much in regards to character customisation. To the point where even pseudo-MMO's like Monster Hunter World have a much better character customisation system. At least in that I can design a character that is both classically handsome and fairly well-built, whereas in FFXIV I cannot do that.

Though, of course, the development team bend over backwards to ensure that those wanting to play 'waifus' are catered to at every turn. It's a bit embarrassing, really! It's just a shame that the MMO market is so stagnant these days. I enjoy FFXIV, though the character customisation system is one of my major issues with it across the board, tying into other issues I have with the game as well.

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This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

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Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm well aware of the reasoning that the development team put forward, though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny for the reasons outlined in previous posts. I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

Yeah, I am sure they are so starved for money, they could not possibly be funding the production of a live TV adaptation of FFXIV.

This excuse only washes if we assume this is some exceptionally niche type of work - which it isn't. They (apparently) just don't want to undertake the steps required to provide them with the resources. SE as a company has plenty of resources at its disposal to make it happen.

smol indy studio

As for Hrothgar being "diverse", if you think a reskinned Roegadyn with a lion head is "diverse", all I can say is yeah, whatever.

You can protest all you like - this "mentality" is going nowhere.

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Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

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... you don't say? Are you trying to suggest, though, that they can't upgrade their existing engine?

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Apparently they have the money to spend on TV spin offs but not to hire more staff for the very rote work of high-res texture asset conversion... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least the latest murmurings from them give me a bit more hope that they intend to improve the graphics in time.

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They are never going to do this if it leaves console players in the dust. Too many players play on PS4 and PS4 Pro, me included. Maybe if they do a PS5 version, they will do a higher upscale, but they won't risk cutting off the PS4 player base because with the PS5 being backwards compatible, many players will continue to utilize that platform.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm well aware of the reasoning that the development team put forward, though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny for the reasons outlined in previous posts. I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

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Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

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It probably helps that there's like 100 Miqo'te and/or Viera for every Hrothgar, at least as far as my experiences go. In Limsa I'm usually one of maybe 2 or 3 at most at any given time. In dungeons or raids, including 24 mans, I'm the only one more often than not. They seem to be rarer than Roes on Crystal, but it's a bit of an RP hub, so...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

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YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

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I'm not downplaying anything. I just don't expect it until 6.0 because new character models take a lot of work, and they're more likely to put the budget into something they can market as a selling point for an expansion than for patch content. I do fully expect both races to be finished in the future, I just advocate patience.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

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And they failed. They gave themselves more work, as much as male Viera was weird to him, now they have to contend with female Hrothgar demand. For a a company known for their "waifus", i have to wonder how they feel about that one now.

I have stayed away from the discussion for a while due to my own vitriol being somewhat more... intense, however using the excuse of there not being enough time or resources is not only tired but flimsy at best. A conscious decision was made to mislead, then ignore a high demand issue made by the player base due to personal discomfort of bunny men.

There are many sorry and unhelpful mentalities that need to stop, discomfort on one persons part should not ruin the enjoyment of a fan base. I want male Viera, i feel that female Viera hair selection limitations were due to not wanting them to have to much over male Horthgar customization, i feel Hrothgar are a mistake and being a limited race (hairstyle unable to change without fantasia is a big indicator of this) was something no one wanted.

In the end, now they have to not only worry about missing genders but missing premium hair styles, exotic body modifications for gear use (Hrothgar male and female), lore for both missing genders, ect... People can claim that we needed a beast race all day, that's fine but i would argue a census of currently active Hrothgar would give the devs something to ponder.

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

I don't think they made hrothgar because 'ewww bunny boys' I believe them when they say they wanted to accomodate demands for viera and a beast race but didn't have the resources to fully do both.

Should they throw more money and resources at the FFXIV team? Maybe. This isn't an instant fix, but over time the team could be grown with more investment in it.

I think the way it landed is similar to why Miqo'te and Roes (and the races from XI that inspired them) were initially mono gendered. They figure 'big strong' characters appeal more to males (or those playing male characters) and that sexy appeals more to female (or those playing female characters) so they made the viera females and hrothgar males not knowing if they'd be able to come back and do the other genders.

I'd like for them to be added in for both races, but seeing how viera and hrothgar came out, I really don't think the team can handle it and I doubt SE is wanting to pump a lot more money into it, they'd probably rather milk FFXIV as a source of income for other projects than invest more of its earnings back into the game.

I don't think these issues would go away though if they had just one race with both genders. Because both genders of a new race would still have different models that have to fit the gear to, their own customization options etc. Personally I would have rather gotten both genders of either Hrothgar or Viera (either one) than the current situation, but I have a feeling that either way the new race was going to ship with issues because regardless of whether SE should send more money their way or not, the FFXIV team is apparantly being pushed to its limits as is in this department.

I hope they find a solution for the lacking customization options of Viera and Hrothgar soon! I understand that creating new races takes a lot of ressources and time and do not expect them to add the missing genders soon. But I still support them as long as they finish male Viera and female Hrothgar before implementation.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

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?....when was this a thing?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

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That sounds like an issue with your server, I see plenty on mine and have been matched up with plenty.
And...lol they only have 4 faces, Ive seen the same Hyur, Au-ra, and Miqote faces numerous times. We gonna say all the races aren't diverse then, just because we see a popular face option? The body comment just sounds like personal taste, the only thing Ronso about the Hrothgar is the 4th face option. Sad imo that not all face options have a Unicorn Horn cosmetic. Then we'd see some legit Ronsos running around.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

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I wasn't here for your WoW comment so it has no baring for me. But I will say they did it over time. If FFXIV is still around nearly as much as WoW, maybe we will see similar updates.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

... you don't say? Are you trying to suggest, though, that they can't upgrade their existing engine?

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No, I don't say. Because I never said that.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

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I was with you for a moment, but then it feels like this literally devolved into "Give me Male Viera"

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

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Nah, I think they are fine. Im sure they have a plan here that we can't see.
There is negative reception right now, but I have faith that things will get turned around and all of this will just be something we can laugh at in the future.
I chose to believe that, and Ill wait for the future to tell me if Im wrong or not.

Really wish this salt would end lol

People, please realize that adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic thing they could do. Adding in a new race means that every single thing they make that a player character can do or wear is now that much harder. "But the game makes so much money!" yeah, and what? It's still a game that was made in a mad dash to save a dumpster fire of a game with missed up coding, the devs have BEEN hitting their limits on what they can do with this game for sometime now. So I see no reason to think they're bsing when they say it's not an issue that can be solved by just throwing money at it, the way gear works in this game makes it hard to keep adding new player character models.

And what's with this Hrothgar hate? lmao, they're more popular than male elezen according to the most resent census and more popular than the whole Roe race even while having this stupid mane system ... but they don't add diversity cause you don't personally see them as often as cat girls and apparently no one wanted them? kk :p

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Really wish this salt would end lol

People, please realize that adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic thing they could do. Adding in a new race means that every single thing they make that a player character can do or wear is now that much harder. "But the game makes so much money!" yeah, and what? It's still a game that was made in a mad dash to save a dumpster fire of a game with missed up coding, the devs have BEEN hitting their limits on what they can do with this game for sometime now. So I see no reason to think they're bsing when they say it's not an issue that can be solved by just throwing money at it, the way gear works in this game makes it hard to keep adding new player character models.

And what's with this Hrothgar hate? lmao, they're more popular than male elezen according to the most resent census and more popular than the whole Roe race even while having this stupid mane system ... but they don't add diversity cause you don't personally see them as often as cat girls and apparently no one wanted them? kk :p

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It never will end.
No Rational thought will ever cool this flame.

And the Hrothgar hate is simply...cause no Male Viera.
That and I guess the Hair/Mane thing.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

It never will end.
No Rational thought will ever cool this flame.

And the Hrothgar hate is simply...cause no Male Viera.
That and I guess the Hair/Mane thing.

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Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

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What does Limited Jobs have to do with the Hrothgar Salt? Or are you even more mad at the Hrothgar because of Blue Mage? lol.
And the only thing on Hrothgar thats honestly bad besides the Hair issue, is the ears not being animated or expressive. I dont see why them being big and bulky like the Roe is an issue. Nothing wrong with having a second Bara body among like 4 other slim/lean bodies

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

?....when was this a thing?

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It's a consistent thing. I don't mean to single you out in particular and it may not even be intentional but...let's not beat around the bush, a significant number of your posts throughout the thread are you insisting that the status quo is fine. A trend, I note, that is alarmingly common with posters with female avatars. It isn't just about this thread, either. Any thread involving suggestions or issues related to male characters is usually subjected to people playing female characters emerging to downplay any and all concerns even when they're being voiced in a respectable and constructive manner.

It grows even more frustrating when there's threads involving hysteria and screeching from people playing female characters, such as the 2B outfit 'controversy', who are graced with an immediate response and an assurance from the development team that the issue will be reversed as soon as possible.

That's just touching on the surface, though. I've stated many times throughout this thread why I believe that male characters are treated as second class citizens. Something we'd best agree to disagree on, I suspect, rather than go through the same song and dance all over again.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

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You're only gonna see what you want and what you seem to want to see is proof of lazy.

Hrothgar don't have Roe bodies, their bods look WAY better. Tis why so many Roebro players left and why even with this stupid mane system they out number them and Elezen males. There's a market for big, buffy bois AND girls ... Roe didn't strike that cord too great for many. Same for why Viera are WAAAAY more popular than Elezen females, they strike the aesthetic cord for "tall, pretty woman" better.

To ME the lazy thing would have been to just make Viera tall cat girls with a bunny tail and long ears that come out the side of their heads and make Hrothgar just highlander versions of cat dudes. That way EVERYTHING would work on them no problem yet everyone gets a new doll to play with. What they DID do makes two races that stand out compared to others in this game, 1 being an actual Viera over some made up bunny race and the other being a straight up beast faced race over some half step, at a price.

I love their face animations, they are dramatic af! On that same note I hate the Viera emotes cause from an animation stand point I see MUCH less energy. Could say it's lazy, but I see thought and polish put into it. It's just not as interesting or expressive and I KNOW that type of stuff takes more time.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a consistent thing. I don't mean to single you out in particular and it may not even be intentional but...let's not beat around the bush, a significant number of your posts throughout the thread are you insisting that the status quo is fine. A trend, I note, that is alarmingly common with posters with female avatars. It isn't just about this thread, either. Any thread involving suggestions or issues related to male characters is usually subjected to people playing female characters emerging to downplay any and all concerns even when they're being voiced in a respectable and constructive manner.

It grows even more frustrating when there's threads involving hysteria and screeching from people playing female characters, such as the 2B outfit 'controversy', who are graced with an immediate response and an assurance from the development team that the issue will be reversed as soon as possible.

That's just touching on the surface, though. I've stated many times throughout this thread why I believe that male characters are treated as second class citizens. Something we'd best agree to disagree on, I suspect, rather than go through the same song and dance all over again.

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Yeah...no. It's not just players with female characters who voice their opposition against things, or simply give their opinions. Since you brought it up, I will use the 2b outfit controversy as an example...I play male characters primarily, though I have been known to play a female highlander on occasion. At the end of the day, I really had no horse in this race. And yet, even I thought it was a questionable decision on their part, though not knowing at the time that it was apparently unintentional. So...I voiced my opinion on the matter. As a male character. And I wasn't the only one, and I would be willing to bet that there was more on the JP side of things.

This is not a gender exclusive thing. In regards to male character customization, from outfits to character models (or even Male Viera), you will see both male and female characters respond with different opinions in whatever thread you can think of, including this one. I support the idea of having Male Viera, but I also have my own ideas of what they should be, as well as my personal priorities that I feel the devs should adhere to, knowing full well that it is all just my opinion. So yeah, I will agree and disagree when I see fit to. And sometimes, just sometimes, it will be as a female character. Others on the forums will do the same, regardless of their avatar. Character gender has nothing to do with this, so don't make something out of nothing. You don't have to like someone's opinion, but jumping to conclusions like this is...not a good idea. If someone is fine with them not existing then that is their right. Period.

I do agree, however, that they do cater to female characters just a tad more than they do male characters. That is because they know their player base. It isn't really a gender bias so much as it is SE following the money. If the player base was predominantly playing male characters then they would be doing the same thing. Do you know how excited I was to see a crafted glamour piece for males that looked awesome in the form of the Rebel Coat? Very. I bought the materials even while they were expensive because I wanted it that bad. We don't get things like that often, but when they do deliver...they really deliver. Still, they do add what I would consider enough for male characters, as there is usually outfit designs for both nowadays. Sometimes it's just not my thing, and that's okay. I wouldn't go so far as to say that male characters are 2nd class citizens though. If they were, they would be getting so much less than they do. Hrothgar would also probably not exist, and the Viera females would have been finished and polished.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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Hrothgar do share the Roegadyn body only difference is just textures and the pose
they look better because Hrothgar don't have textures from 10 years ago

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Hrothgar do share the Roegadyn body only difference is just textures and the pose
they look better because Hrothgar don't have textures from 10 years ago

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I only really see it in their legs tbh, but the similarities are there I guess. It was just masked well enough in my opinion. Female Viera also share a body/skeleton with female elezen, with some alterations obviously. At first glance, someone sees a Hrothgar and they don't see a Roe usually. They see a burly cat man. Can't really say the same about Viera though. It took one quick look for me to say "so...female elezen with rabbit ears?" It was just really obvious.