The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

In all honesty, there's probably three groups. People who want him, people who don't want him, and people who just want him to do what he wants.

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I'd have to agree with this. I've seen all 3 on these forums. I fall into the group that says just let him do as he pleases. If he wants to play, fine. I won't object. If he ends up liking the game and staying, good. If he hates it and quits, his choice. I've dropped in on his FF14 stream and he seems to be enjoying himself well enough at least.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

In all honesty, there's probably three groups. People who want him, people who don't want him, and people who just want him to do what he wants.

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Sorry did not get to finish my post was on moblie. Point I was trying to make is the amount of people that do not want him to play is kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme the sad truth is the small vocal minority is enough to foster and keep the meme of our "gcbtw" going strong. No matter how few they are their presence is amplified by the fact they are doing it to the top FFXIV streamer by a large margin currently. They will be used as the standard to that represents our community to the general public especially if clips get passed around are shared across social media etc . . .

The truth is they do represent us as a whole to the causal viewer.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Great community by the way.

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do you still like him now that he said he absolutely hates lalafells?

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

do you still like him now that he said he absolutely hates lalafells?

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That might be one of the most intelligent things to ever come out of his mouth tbh.

What I haven't seen people really touch upon yet, is that this would be good for the Final Fantasy Twitch community.

FFXIV twitch streamers don't get very many views usually, so where are these twitch viewers watching Asmon, excited about FFXIV, going to go when his stream ends for the day? They'll check out the other FFXIV Streamers.

I see this as an overall net positive, and good publicity for the game.

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Originally Posted by Awha

The truth is they do represent us as a whole to the causal viewer.

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Maybe, but that doesn't have to be the case for those of us in the know (or those of us who understand that any large community can have differing voices within it, including FFXIV, including WoW, etc.).

The problem is that the recent threads about Asmongold is only trolling the community by being divisive instead of simply pointing the blame where it lies.

It seems to me that there is a secondary agenda of targeting people who dare to claim that they find this community to be great/better than others. If anyone finds this community to be no better than others, then that's too bad, but also understandable as different people can find different experiences within a large community. But that's no excuse to try to bring others down as well.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Maybe, but that doesn't have to be the case for those of us in the know (or those of us who understand that any large community can have differing voices within it, including FFXIV, including WoW, etc.).

The problem is that the recent threads about Asmongold is only trolling the community by being divisive instead of simply pointing the blame where it lies.

It seems to me that there is a secondary agenda of targeting people who dare to claim that they find this community to be great/better than others. If anyone finds this community to be no better than others, then that's too bad, but also understandable as different people can find different experiences within a large community. But that's no excuse to try to bring others down as well.

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True we in the know can tell the difference though I have always approached this from the perspective of the new player or those not in the know. In truth the existing players perception of the community is kinda moot when it comes to a those that get a perception based around comments found on twitter or streams as an example.

In truth they stance do not worry is not so bad that is just a small set of players often does not work for me when it comes to trying to get friends to play games I enjoy like LoL. :)

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

What I haven't seen people really touch upon yet, is that this would be good for the Final Fantasy Twitch community.

FFXIV twitch streamers don't get very many views usually, so where are these twitch viewers watching Asmon, excited about FFXIV, going to go when his stream ends for the day? They'll check out the other FFXIV Streamers.

I see this as an overall net positive, and good publicity for the game.

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I follow Sofie and Zepla, after Asmongold Allcraft summed with Fat Black Chocobo campaign their numbers spiked by a lot. I dont have idea about other streamers, but I believe they all benefit from it somehow?

https://twitter.com/CadenHouse/statu...444394497?s=19

Also lots of new players joined to see FFXIV, I know that some are there to be a pain but many are probably trying and enjoying the game.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Sorry did not get to finish my post was on moblie. Point I was trying to make is the amount of people that do not want him to play is kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme the sad truth is the small vocal minority is enough to foster and keep the meme of our "gcbtw" going strong. No matter how few they are their presence is amplified by the fact they are doing it to the top FFXIV streamer by a large margin currently. They will be used as the standard to that represents our community to the general public especially if clips get passed around are shared across social media etc . . .

The truth is they do represent us as a whole to the causal viewer.

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I mean the point is moot. People who coin the term 'gcbtw', in the case of a lot of them even unironically, will find any other reason they possibly can to do so. Asmongold is just the current flavor with which they go ''SEE? GCBTW, I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!''. And once the novelty of Asmongold playing FFXIV passes they'll either go back to previous things they went 'gcbtw' with or find a new reason.

It's little more than forcing some weird sense of 'this is the true colors of the entire community' onto the actions of individual idiots.

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Originally Posted by Awha

True we in the know can tell the difference though I have always approached this from the perspective of the new player or those not in the know. In truth the existing players perception of the community is kinda moot when it comes to a those that get a perception based around comments found on twitter or streams as an example.

In truth they stance do not worry is not so bad that is just a small set of players often does not work for me when it comes to trying to get friends to play games I enjoy like LoL. :)

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But there are also positive comments found on social media, but those are the ones that people seem to hate while negative comments are suddenly just something the newcomers are supposed to accept without being challenged.

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Originally Posted by linayar

But there are also positive comments found on social media, but those are the ones that people seem to hate while negative comments are suddenly just something the newcomers are supposed to accept without being challenged.

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That is the thing negative experiences tend to stick around. I use my LoL example because even LoL in my opinion has far more positive experiences then negative but sadly people will focus on the negative.

It is kind of like parsing in the grand scheme if we really took into account the three possible outcomes negative, neutral, and positive. From a simple numerical stand point the positive and neutral experiences most likely out number the negative but people will focus on the negative.The sad thing is the negative experiences will for the most part outshine the rest.

Just like when I try to get my friends to play LoL the quote things they see on reddit or twitter toxic community and in the grand scheme it is not as rampant as people like to make it seem but the truth is the perception has already been established.

As a community we are in an interesting spot.

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Originally Posted by Awha

That is the thing negative experiences tend to stick around.

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It certainly doesn't help when people try to poke fun with GCBTW or similar things.

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As a community we are in an interesting spot.

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It's an interesting event, for sure, but likely temporary. A spike in Twitch presence or one world's increased activity due to Asmongold isn't going to change the community that much in the long run. If he ends up liking the game enough to continue with it as a secondary game to WoW, then great. If not, that's alright too. Things will settle down eventually and the community will be fine either way.

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Originally Posted by linayar

It certainly doesn't help when people try to poke fun with GCBTW or similar things.

It's an interesting event, for sure, but likely temporary. A spike in Twitch presence or one world's increased activity due to Asmongold isn't going to change the community that much in the long run. If he ends up liking the game enough to continue with it as a secondary game to WoW, then great. If not, that's alright too. Things will settle down eventually and the community will be fine either way.

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The community at the core will be fine either way do not think anyone has said otherwise but I do think the perception of the community will be skewed going forward depending on the spin his experience with the game takes and how many others follow suit. Will be interesting to see if other OTK members or other streamers join him depending on his experience.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I do think the perception of the community will be skewed going forward depending on the spin his experience with the game takes and how many others follow suit.

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I don't think so. Asmongold is a bit special in his own way (whether for good or bad) that people cannot use his experience as any kind of tool to predict their own. That's not even taking into account that everyone's experience will be different, but people like him especially.

The perception of the community also wouldn't change all that much as there has always been people who like the community and those who don't, and both sides have been represented in public based on people's differing experiences. Sure his experience might be more known as people report on it, but then again, he also carries his own baggage (whether true or false, whether by his own fault or not).

He's enjoying the game so far. I mean he was literally playing WoW and even ARR is better than that game right now. :p

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Originally Posted by linayar

I don't think so. Asmongold is a bit special in his own way (whether for good or bad) that people cannot use his experience as any kind of tool to predict their own. That's not even taking into account that everyone's experience will be different, but people like him especially.

The perception of the community also wouldn't change all that much as there has always been people who like the community and those who don't, and both sides have been represented in public based on people's differing experiences. Sure his experience might be more known as people report on it, but then again, he also carries his own baggage (whether true or false, whether by his own fault or not).

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Of course everyone has different experiences and sure only time will tell but I do feel if other WoW streamers especially members of OTK do try FFXIV the climate within game will go up in temperature just due to the more transparent nature WoW streamers tend to be regarding their opinions.

In the end it will be interesting if he does stick around and others follow to see how SE will handle such a dynamic between larger streamers and the perception especially in the west. Cause to my knowledge FFXIV has never really had a major presence on streaming platforms and if Asmon does keep playing and can maintain his viewership but keeps his persona from WoW while raiding it will be interesting to see how SE handles that dynamic, and how it will impact prospective players.

I cannot wait to see him stream ultimates. As mentioned though I do think the perception of the community will be skewed depending on if other WoW streamers try FFXIV since it will cause to a degree a personality shift with what the traditional FFXIV streamer. Sure we have mire transparent FFXIV streamers but their number pale in comparison and will be interesting to see if he can maintain their viewership.

What also makes it interesting is because take MrHappy he use to act somewhat akin to what many would view a WoW streamer to be but he choose to clean up his act after some drama. A part of me just thinks if Asmon runs his ffxiv raids like he does his classic raids it will put SE in a weird spot cause more or less he does what Arthus and Xeon have done but on a much larger scale.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Then why are you, a person inside FFXIV, accepting that generalization and running with it instead of simply addressing the specific people in question while still encouraging the broader community to not act that way?

That's what's so strange about this whole thing. People who claim to be against toxic elements of the community are doing it by making blanket statements that would just feed into any stereotypes that can be held by people outside of the community.

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I’m not accepting the behavior nor defending it. I’m merely explaining how bad behavior, even if it was from minorities of the community, can easily outweigh the good behavior of the rest of the community. Hence why in my original comment I stated “bad actions speak louder than good ones.”

There is nothing ‘we’ the normal players can do to ease the situation. If we speak up and defend our community, we’ll just come out as white knights. People will disregard anything we say.

Best we can do is ignore the situation and behave in a good way. If we are good as we claim to be, the truth will come out eventually. New player experience, content creators' voices can and hopefully will give a better representation of the FFXIV community.

This is why Asmon is trying the game in the first place. A lot of WoW content creators are praising it and its community. We just need to chill. Things will settle down and go back to normal after the hype goes down.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

The behavior displayed last night was mostly caused by FFXIV players with max-level characters. Whether you like it or not, these players are a part of the FFXIV community. Bad actions speak louder than good ones.

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This is the sad truth, while they are the minority of the FFXIV community it's still a big crowd when all the black sheep across the datacenter move to a single world which happened in Asmons case. The sproud crowd dispersed over time because they couldn't keep up with him but players with mounts follow him all day.
I'm glad he is still able to enjoy the game, he really seems to be having fun while trying to ignore the people crowding him.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Of course everyone has different experiences and sure only time will tell but I do feel if other WoW streamers especially members of OTK do try FFXIV the climate within game will go up in temperature just due to the more transparent nature WoW streamers tend to be regarding their opinions.

In the end it will be interesting if he does stick around and others follow to see how SE will handle such a dynamic between larger streamers and the perception especially in the west. Cause to my knowledge FFXIV has never really had a major presence on streaming platforms and if Asmon does keep playing and can maintain his viewership but keeps his persona from WoW while raiding it will be interesting to see how SE handles that dynamic, and how it will impact prospective players.

I cannot wait to see him stream ultimates. As mentioned though I do think the perception of the community will be skewed depending on if other WoW streamers try FFXIV since it will cause to a degree a personality shift with what the traditional FFXIV streamer. Sure we have mire transparent FFXIV streamers but their number pale in comparison and will be interesting to see if he can maintain their viewership.

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The ToS doesn't change just because any specific person decides to start playing FFXIV. So anyone who can follow the ToS can and should feel free to play the game.

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What also makes it interesting is because take MrHappy he use to act somewhat akin to what many would view a WoW streamer to be but he choose to clean up his act after some drama. A part of me just thinks if Asmon runs his ffxiv raids like he does his classic raids it will put SE in a weird spot cause more or less he does what Arthus and Xeon have done but on a much larger scale.

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If true about Happy, it just shows that people can change. Asmongold himself has said he's not the same as he used to be in the past. Spend more time in FFXIV and maybe Asmongold can change even more unless he isolates himself.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

I’m not accepting the behavior nor defending it.

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What does this mean?

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I’m merely explaining how bad behavior, even if it was from minorities of the community, can easily outweigh the good behavior of the rest of the community. Hence why in my original comment I stated “bad actions speak louder than good ones.”

There is nothing ‘we’ the normal players can do to ease the situation. If we speak up and defend our community, we’ll just come out as white knights. People will disregard anything we say.

Best we can do is ignore the situation and behave in a good way. If we are good as we claim to be, the truth will come out eventually. New player experience, content creators' voices can and hopefully will give a better representation of the FFXIV community.

This is why Asmon is trying the game in the first place. A lot of WoW content creators are praising it and its community. We just need to chill. Things will settle down and go back to normal after the hype goes down.

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So, once again, you've accepted that people will just see you as a white knight and will disregard any defense you may make on behalf of the community. Keep in mind that defending the community does not mean defending the actual people who are behaving badly.

I'd be happy to ignore the situation if people didn't make a big deal out of it. So since it's a big deal to some people, why not address it in our own small ways? If you do want to ignore it, then there was no point in giving any explanation in the first place.

This forum, in particular, is a place where FFXIV players can discuss with each other. So anti-FFXIV generalizations are the last thing that needed an explanation, especially from an outside perspective, if, in the end, your only suggestion is to ignore it.

Spergs literally ran to the market board just to buy the cheapest glowy sword and jump around on his screen xD...
Seriously if you're gonna follow him, at least do it from a distance and stop tagging his mobs.
You don't have to literally be standing on top of him it's just obnoxious.

So annoying how these people have to ruin literally everything, no wonder social media platforms are the way that they are.

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Originally Posted by linayar

The ToS doesn't change just because any specific person decides to start playing FFXIV. So anyone who can follow the ToS can and should feel free to play the game.

If true about Happy, it just shows that people can change. Asmongold himself has said he's not the same as he used to be in the past. Spend more time in FFXIV and maybe Asmongold can change even more unless he isolates himself.

What does this mean?

So, once again, you've accepted that people will just see you as a white knight and will disregard any defense you may make on behalf of the community. Keep in mind that defending the community does not mean defending the actual people who are behaving badly.

I'd be happy to ignore the situation if people didn't make a big deal out of it. So since it's a big deal to some people, why not address it in our own small ways? If you do want to ignore it, then there was no point in giving any explanation in the first place.

This forum, in particular, is a place where FFXIV players can discuss with each other. So anti-FFXIV generalizations are the last thing that needed an explanation, especially from an outside perspective, if, in the end, your only suggestion is to ignore it.

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The reality is the ToS does not change but the question is from a marketing PoV would it be wise to ban the top streamer of your game that is the sole reason behind reaching the top on twitch? It will be interesting to see how SE especially their marketing team handles this potential issue. Granted this is based around if they keep the same persona from WoW raiding into FFXIV.

In truth people do change when given a reason Happy most likely changed due to personal reasons regarding his stream and profitability. WoW streamers coming to try FFXIV most likely will not have the same motivational factors. Though this is all speculation and depends if he even makes it to raiding he still has a long way to go.

Personally I know I would not like to in a situation if Asmon does maintain his WoW persona in FFXIV and what action to take for their ToS violations though it would not shock me if they did turn a blind eye cause even if all the FFXIv streamers go together I doubt they could pull Asmon numbers.

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Originally Posted by Awha

The reality is the ToS does not change but the question is from a marketing PoV would it be wise to ban the top streamer of your game that is the sole reason behind reaching the top on twitch? It will be interesting to see how SE especially their marketing team handles this potential issue. Granted this is based around if they keep the same persona from WoW raiding into FFXIV.

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multiple big 14 twitch streamers have had some sort of ban via TOS
it has minimal effect on marketing if he breaks the rules hes gonna get banned there is no special treatment.

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Originally Posted by Awha

The reality is the ToS does not change but the question is from a marketing PoV would it be wise to ban the top streamer of your game that is the sole reason behind reaching the top on twitch? It will be interesting to see how SE especially their marketing team handles this potential issue. Granted this is based around if they keep the same persona from WoW raiding into FFXIV.

In truth people do change when given a reason Happy most likely changed due to personal reasons regarding his stream and profitability. WoW streamers coming to try FFXIV most likely will not have the same motivational factors. Though this is all speculation and depends if he even makes it to raiding he still has a long way to go.

Personally I know I would not like to in a situation if Asmon does maintain his WoW persona in FFXIV and what action to take for their ToS violations though it would not shock me if they did turn a blind eye cause even if all the FFXIv streamers go together I doubt they could pull Asmon numbers.

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Asmongold "maintaining his WoW persona" does not necessarily mean breaking the ToS.

However, for the sake of discussion, let's say it does.

If so, then I do expect for SE to enforce it regardless. If they don't simply because he brings in Twitch viewers, then that would just validate those people who fear him coming in to the game and reject it.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

multiple big 14 twitch streamers have had some sort of ban via TOS
it has minimal effect on marketing if he breaks the rules hes gonna get banned there is no special treatment.

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I do not recall any other ffxiv stream pulling 100k viewers though. I do not know if they have broken 50k.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Asmongold "maintaining his WoW persona" does not necessarily mean breaking the ToS.

However, for the sake of discussion, let's say it does.

If so, then I do expect for SE to enforce it regardless. If they don't simply because he brings in Twitch viewers, then that would just validate those people who fear him coming in to the game and reject it.

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His WoW persona does openly mock and belittle others sometimes resulting in his fan base also making fun of said player etc . . . but normally it is under the premise that you join his groups with that to be expected. I just do not think some people in FFXIV will be okay with someone calling them out in front of his legion of fans even if they do deserve it. He has mocked people for their transmog in a way some may feel is a personal attack.

In the end will people be offended by a persona or will they just let it go. I do hope he does things like transmog comps and stuff in FFXIV.

As mentioned that is what makes it interesting and I could see raising the temperature of the community. Though only time will tell and I will be looking forward to see how potential issues play out.

So wait a second.

Some people were telling me some time ago that Asmongold was this "trash human being" and "they were making fun" or "saying horrible things about Soken's speech". So knowing that there is a side of the internet that loves to do witch-hunts based on hear-say that they don't bother verifying themselves I went to check the vod personally.

And guess what... Asmongold LIKED the speech, genuinely pleased and shocked by how the staff handled the situation, thought the story was really cool, and even commented on how he liked the way they addressed the fans in how they acted in the stage.
So where was these "horrible" things? Well... so, Asmongold's chat rolls at like 50 miles per hour. Obviously, when you have like 50k+ viewers. I had to literally PAUSE the video to find said horrible things. Sent in the chat by random stray people here and there.

So basically, it had nothing to do with him. Because good luck trying to spot every negative thing in a ludicrously busy chat even if you're a mod. Asmongold didn't read it, probably didn't have time to notice it, and if he did, he didn't even aknowledge it. And that makes him a trash human being?

Honestly, so far, and I don't know much about him prior to all this, he seems to be enjoying the game, positively impressed by the PR and the passion of the staff, and generally having a good time. I really don't see what's so terrible. He can't babysit his viewers. He already tries to tell people not to harass anyone.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

So wait a second.

Some people were telling me some time ago that Asmongold was this "trash human being" and "they were making fun" or "saying horrible things about Soken's speech".

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Anybody who says Asmon was saying horrible things about Soken or his speech is flat out lying to push an agenda. It's not even a small lie either.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

I kinda figured it had to be intentional. Like, I've understood 'Asmongold' is most definitely a role being played live so yeah. I've been watching him do stuff in FFXIV for a few hours now and I definitely get what people meant a while ago when they expressed that they hoped he'd play FFXIV off stream as.. well, Zack, himself, rather than as 'Asmongold'. He'd probably be able to take his time a bit more and understand things if he weren't streaming it and primarily experiencing the game through his stream persona.

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I totally agree. I can't help but feel it's a shame he ultimately went with streaming the game instead of playing it offline since I'm positive he'd have gotten more into it as himself and without the distraction caused by his chat. But, hey, it's his choice. Even if he ends up not liking the game/story, I honestly think it doesn't matter. The game doesn't need his approval or validation. It just may end up not being his cup of tea. This doesn't take anything away from the game itself, and it definitely won't make anyone who loves or enjoys the game love it or enjoy it any less.

Well it has begun.

There are already screenshots circling around about some players getting suspended for disrupting other people's gameplay. Good on you SE.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Anybody who says Asmon was saying horrible things about Soken or his speech is flat out lying to push an agenda. It's not even a small lie either.

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Sadly this is true in a lot of cases.
One of my favorite streamers who does a lot of political debates was labeled a Transphobe because he used a Trans slur *when describing how someone might use a Trans slur without realizing it*, and they left that VERY important context out.
Same person who spread that lie that everyone believes then proceeds to casually use Trans slurs against someone else actually meaning to be offensive themselves lol.
Same thing happened with the N-word for the same person, and now it has been framed as '' he says the N-word all the time ''.

The reason why that happens to this person is because he has a lot of enemies because he doesn't align with either of the extreme and obnoxious '' sides '' in the US political terminally online climate.
So everyone wants to tear him down including screwing him over and causing problems irl too.
I think it's sorta the same with Asmongold too, a lot of Twitch streamers have jumped on that bandwagon because it's good for networking and exposure.
And there's this mentality of '' you can only be with us or against us '', so those people view him as some crazy alt-righter or something by default.

It's nice to see he's having fun and his chat ain't being dumb about it. Although, if I was him I would be very annoyed at all the people constantly following me around every where. Let him play his way and experience everything as he wants.

I've checked a few of the streams lately out of curiosity and expected to dislike it because of the endless posts about "WoW persona" and a rabid fanbase, but to be honest I haven't really seen it. He openly voices when he thinks something sucks and his chat are a fairly standard twitch chat but overall it's just a regular stream, excessive abuse isn't encouraged and he seems to be having fun with the game and is being fair with it.

I'm surprised people are so grumpy about his crowd of fans. A bit of queue time isn't the end of the world and it's nice to see it as an event of sorts to break the monotony of log on, roulette, log off. Sure the crowd jumping about with shiny weapons are a little childish, but the majority of it is harmless excitement. I imagine he doesn't mind it overall because it's a part of what MMO's are about, sharing an open fantasy game environment with thousands of other people. I'm glad they're all having fun being silly and making the most of it.

I'm also impressed he's made a stream about ARR questing so popular. Most of us believed it'd never work, but he's capturing that new-game excitement well. 150k viewers is massive, it's brilliant advertisement for the game and overall it's just a positive. Credit where credit is due.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I'm also impressed he's made a stream about ARR questing so popular. Most of us believed it'd never work, but he's capturing that new-game excitement well. 150k viewers is massive, it's brilliant advertisement for the game and overall it's just a positive. Credit where credit is due.

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One thing I've noticed from watching many of the new FFXIV players that came from WoW on youtube and twitch is that they actually enjoy the ARR quest experience. As a FFXIV player we are quite jaded to the experience due to having gone through it and now viewing it as simply a roadblock, however new players from a game that handles leveling differently have a much different look on it.

Annoying stalkers ingame and twitch chat in a nutshell: https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveEnt...-c6UAe3ldEumqg

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I'm also impressed he's made a stream about ARR questing so popular. Most of us believed it'd never work, but he's capturing that new-game excitement well. 150k viewers is massive, it's brilliant advertisement for the game and overall it's just a positive. Credit where credit is due.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

One thing I've noticed from watching many of the new FFXIV players that came from WoW on youtube and twitch is that they actually enjoy the ARR quest experience. As a FFXIV player we are quite jaded to the experience due to having gone through it and now viewing it as simply a roadblock, however new players from a game that handles leveling differently have a much different look on it.

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I've always felt that people should not immediately "badmouth" ARR when introducing the game to others.

I understand the desire to "set expectations" so others can get through it, but people are different, and some can actually enjoy it, like I did my first time, when left to make their own judgment about it.

And to be fair, Asmongold is not done yet with ARR, so things could still go sideways (if it hasn't already), but it's up to him to decide that.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Annoying stalkers ingame and twitch chat in a nutshell: https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveEnt...-c6UAe3ldEumqg

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That has to be annoying and get old real quick. People should just let him play the game.

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Originally Posted by Dravion

That has to be annoying and get old real quick. People should just let him play the game.

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I just want to say right now that I dislike your signature. Hmmph.... Anyways, carry on...

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Annoying stalkers ingame and twitch chat in a nutshell: https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveEnt...-c6UAe3ldEumqg

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I think just about everyone saw this coming. Even he seems annoyed and those are his fans. lol Well, probably most of them are at least.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

It's nice to see he's having fun and his chat ain't being dumb about it. Although, if I was him I would be very annoyed at all the people constantly following me around every where. Let him play his way and experience everything as he wants.

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While that may be annoying, it comes with the territory. From what I hear this is how it is everywhere he goes. He made the decision to stream FFXIV rather than play it off stream knowing full well this is how his experience would be. Trust me, he's not holding the horde of spergs following him around against FFXIV because again.. that's how it is no matter what online game he tries to play on stream.

Question why are people using spreg with what appears to be a negative connotation? As someone on the spectrum I am not sure how their behavior goes hand in hand unless people are saying being obsessive to the point of causing extreme annoyance. Which is not always a categorization of ASD.

I ask cause I do refer to myself as a sperg with my friends and stuff but it is for many reasons not just what I could see is being annoying.

I am also very sick of Aspergers being used as an insult for people behaving badly on the Internet.