Warning to all those who play this game for story.

The real problem with the cutscenes is that the dungeon clock continues to countdown even while viewing them. Now, normally, this isn't an issue, but when you start getting to the final story dungeons, it can really start to cause some problems. The Praetorium has something like 15 or 20 minutes worth of cutscenes, all of them vital to understanding the context of the battles. I mean, they're really good cutscenes.

But if you're with an inexperienced group, unfamiliar with the boss strategies, it might take you the entire 120 minutes to complete the dungeon. The cutscenes really eat into that time and make it nearly impossible for such a group to complete the duty. With experienced groups, who can clear the place in less than an hour, watching the cutscenes is perfectly fine.

I've been with both types of groups. Ironically enough, of course, is the fact that the inexperienced groups as the ones most prone to want to watch the cutscenes, thereby dooming themselves to failure.

Also, the dungeon cutscenes can be found under the "Duty" category of the Unending Journey.

Edit: Wow, the poster before me pretty much already said everything I said...

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Originally Posted by Seniade

On the contrary. You said that if he didn't want the other party members to bug him about skipping the CS when he wanted to watch it, he should make his own party. In the same way, if you don't want players taking up your time watching the CS when you just want to speed through, make your own group instead of using the DF.

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Yes, which is exactly what I said. If you want to do content a specific way, without risking being the minority, you should make your own group, no matter what side of the fence you're on.

really.. no one can force you to not watch a cut scene, it shouldn't matter to any dungeon really. what will they do? kick you? does we even have this option? is it even worth it considering most of the ppl are queueing to fresh instances and we have a time limit to complete instances.

imo i only skip the cut scenes if i already saw then, the first time im playing i watch and read every dialogue that i can, no one complained so far..

You could also argue that making 7 people wait while you watch a movie is rude...

I'm just saying that the argument can easily go both ways. Also, getting to end game and then asking people to skip cutscenes in a dungeon you've farmed a bunch of times really doesn't seem that rude to me.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

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The group I ran Praetorium with had two people bitching at me and the other person watching the cutscenes the entire time, going on about how we wouldn't have time to finish the dungeon if we didn't skip them. We finished with somewhere between 25-30 minutes on the clock. The only fight that is even moderately hard is the ultima weapon, and even that is fairly straightforward. Plus, it's a long fight, at best skipping the cutscenes might earn you one additional attempt if you're even getting close to finishing the fight. I won't say it would never make the difference, but I don't think it should be used to try to coerce people into skipping the cutscenes. I say everyone should play the game the way they want to play it... at least until the guy telling you how to play decides to start paying for your sub.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

Then make a group yourself, that way you're 100 % percent you won't be bothered by group members over it, and won't be a potential liability to your group.

This goes both ways. The majority rule, it's the only reasonable fair way of doing things through duty finder.

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You make a group yourself. You're the one asking a person to play the way you want them to.

You can ask anyone to do anything, but if the answer is "no" than it is rude not to accept it.

Fu*ck all the impatience punk ass

Good thing I can't see the chat box when I'm in a CS unless I press enter. Some people here are just impossible.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Also, getting to end game and then asking people to skip cutscenes in a dungeon you've farmed a bunch of times really doesn't seem that rude to me.

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You're right. That's called selfish.

Congratulations, you leveled up.

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Originally Posted by JJDunn

I loved the last mission, but the party I was with almost ruined-.. no, they pretty much did ruin it for me, and a few others.

Before fighting a boss, we entered a cutscene. Someone would skip and just run straight in, locking us out or forcing us to skip. Even then they managed to beat the bosses we were locked out from, and I was really looking forward to seeing what they were like. Easy? Don't care, they looked fun.

I can understand if they skip because they've already seen it, but running in not giving us a chance to finish is just being an asshat.

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I like that signature of yours, I tell you what.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

Also, the dungeon cutscenes can be found under the "Duty" category of the Unending Journey.

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how did i miss this?
thank you very much! :D

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Originally Posted by Viirin

You make a group yourself. You're the one asking a person to play the way you want them to.

You can ask anyone to do anything, but if the answer is "no" than it is rude not to accept it.

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I haven't asked anyone to play a specific way. I just said that if you really want to speed run, or you really want to watch those cut scenes, you should probably make your own group, unless you want to take the chance on risking being the minority, and if you do, by using the duty finder it's only reasonable to comply to majority's rule. Whatever that may be.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

2) There is a time limit on the runs

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Time limit my sweet behind, you have more than enough time to watch every cut scene and kill the bosses before the time runs out. I played the final 8man dungeon, the one that once completed the credits roll, with one tank and I both watching the cut scenes. The other tank was of the same mind as you, oh no if you watch all the CS's we will run out of time. The timer was 120min to complete this thing, which is ample time. With the one tank and I watching these CS's to conclusion and killing every single boss, do you know how much time we had left by the time the final boss died. There was a whole 41 minutes left. Yes, over half an hour left on the clock once the final bosses kicked the bucket, all with nary a cut scene skipped.

So unless you have a completely inept group of people that constantly wipe on every boss, you have more than enough time to view all the scenes and kill the bosses.

I play this game for the story, and I will enjoy the story. Even if that gets on your nerves because you've either already seen it (if you did, why are you trying to deny me the same pleasure?) or you don't care about the story (if so, why are you playing an MMO based on a RPG series, notorious for their lengthy stories). The tank previously mentioned, not only showed his disgust for having to sit and wait for us, but proceeded to try and insult the other tank with comments like he must read on a third grade level.

Though I agree on there being an option for an "abridged" version of the dungeon that simply doesnt play any cut scenes that are story based, maybe just the first fly through one at the door and the boss intro's, then make the cut scenes unskippable. That way they can limit the amount of bellyaching.

DF is not a democracy where cut scenes are concerned. If even one person wants to watch them, then let that person watch. The mechanic to skip the cut scene is there for people who have already completed it and are running it again. Let the people who are new to content experience it to its fullest.

Yeah, had one of those ignorant tanks for the last two missions and it drove me nuts how down right rude they were to the story players. It makes me sick honestly.

The people in DF who are telling you to skip cutscenes:

- Have already had their chance to see the cutscenes without others telling them to skip. Now they want to rush through for some repeated farming run, and are being selfish in expecting others to do the same.

- Don't care about story, and therefore don't have a relevant opinion about anything having to do with cutscenes.

- Don't have anything to lose by telling other players to skip content. They aren't the ones who will have to miss out on anything, so they will tell you anything they think will make it go faster.

- Can put together their own private speed-run group with their guildies. Duty Finder draws from random players of all experience and skill levels, so it isn't the place for that nonsense.

- Are basically just trying to make the game worse for you, to speed up their short-term profits. They could very well just be trying to rush through, just to fuel their RMT gil-farming business for all we know. Don't even give them the time of day, let alone ruin your game experience for some stranger.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

This again.

The only fair way to deal with this, deciding to use the dungeon finder tool (agreeing to be put together with a bunch of random people with different opinions and goals), is to let the majority rule. If you're in the minority on either side, suck it up and stop being entitled. If you absolutely insist on enjoying the game a specific way, you should make your own group, and not pair yourself with completely random people, risking being the only one who wants to enjoy the content your specific way.

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Majority has no say nor control. If a person wants to watch it, then they are entitled to watch it. No matter what I say, you say, or your buddies say. If they want to be impatient, let them drop and wait for the rest which is much longer then the cutscene, and let that be a lesson to their obvious ADHD issues. They may need to take a hgher dose of their meds.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

This again.

The only fair way to deal with this, deciding to use the dungeon finder tool (agreeing to be put together with a bunch of random people with different opinions and goals), is to let the majority rule. If you're in the minority on either side, suck it up and stop being entitled. If you absolutely insist on enjoying the game a specific way, you should make your own group, and not pair yourself with completely random people, risking being the only one who wants to enjoy the content your specific way.

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Suck it up my ass, we paid for the game, we paid for a fucking story and no matter how many of you guys bitch about it, i AM gonna watch it.
Deal with it. Also, you can just plainly IGNORE your team since unless you press enter the chat doesn't show up.

Last run i did i was with a friend, we clearly said at the beginning "gonna watch all cs deal with it", and since we were tanking guess what, gave no fucks whatsoever about people bitching to rush through the content.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

Majority has no say nor control. If a person wants to watch it, then they are entitled to watch it. No matter what I say, you say, or your buddies say. If they want to be impatient, let them drop and wait for the rest which is much longer then the cutscene, and let that be a lesson to their obvious ADHD issues. They may need to take a hgher dose of their meds.

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=) Everything I have to say on this subject wrapped up into a nice, succinct, and beautiful paragraph. Thank you! Oh and you and I are in guilds named Phoenix Down. I don't know what that means outside of name, but we are on different servers lol.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

Majority has no say nor control. If a person wants to watch it, then they are entitled to watch it. No matter what I say, you say, or your buddies say. If they want to be impatient, let them drop and wait for the rest which is much longer then the cutscene, and let that be a lesson to their obvious ADHD issues. They may need to take a hgher dose of their meds.

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Majority has a say, but not much control. If someone wants to watch the cut scenes, despite 7 wants not to there is nothing they can do about. That doesn't make the said person less considerate towards his random group members though. Again, you absolutely insist on playing a specific way, without compromise, you should make a group yourself, and not be an inconsiderate douchebag by either forcing the majority to skip cut scenes or being the minority enforcing your cut scenes on others.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

Majority has a say, but not much control. If someone wants to watch the cut scenes, despite 7 wants not to there is nothing they can do about. That doesn't make the said person less considerate towards his random group members though. Again, you absolutely insist on playing a specific way, without compromise, you should make a group yourself, and not be an inconsiderate douchebag by either forcing the majority to skip cut scenes or being the minority enforcing your cut scenes on others.

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How is enjoying the content being a douchebag now?

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Originally Posted by Devilair

How is enjoying the content being a douchebag now?

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If you're in the minority, no matter what reason, you're being inconsiderate by enforcing your own play style on others. Either you want to speed run, watch cut scenes or whatever else and the rest of the group don't agree, it's much more reasonable to do what the rest of the group wants. Or you could leave and make your own group. This is a multi player game, be thoughtful of what the rest of the group wants. It's not like any dungeon is labeled with THIS IS A SPEED RUN DUNGEON, or IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS YOU MUST AGREE TO WATCH CUT SCENES. Let the group majority decide, comply and be reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

If you're in the minority, no matter what reason, you're being inconsiderate by enforcing your own play style on others. Either you want to speed run, watch cut scenes or whatever else and the rest of the group don't agree, it's much more reasonable to do what the rest of the group wants. Or you could leave and make your own group. This is a multi player game, be thoughtful of what the rest of the group wants. It's not like any dungeon is labeled with THIS IS A SPEED RUN DUNGEON, or IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS YOU MUST AGREE TO WATCH CUT SCENES. Let the group majority decide, comply and be reasonable.

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I can safely say that I am in the minority, I'm a tank and I'm always reasonable, if they want to do a speed run I'll leave and let them get another thank who shares the same mindset as them, which do you think will take longer the cut scenes or finding a new tank? because I can honestly say for me the next group will take me a minute or two at most from me hitting that que button.

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Originally Posted by Menubrea

If you're in the minority, no matter what reason, you're being inconsiderate by enforcing your own play style on others. Either you want to speed run, watch cut scenes or whatever else and the rest of the group don't agree, it's much more reasonable to do what the rest of the group wants. Or you could leave and make your own group. This is a multi player game, be thoughtful of what the rest of the group wants. It's not like any dungeon is labeled with THIS IS A SPEED RUN DUNGEON, or IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS YOU MUST AGREE TO WATCH CUT SCENES. Let the group majority decide, comply and be reasonable.

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What a load of rubbish. People with your mindset are ruining this game.

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Originally Posted by Lafaiel

I can safely say that I am in the minority, I'm a tank and I'm always reasonable, if they want to do a speed run I'll leave and let them get another thank who shares the same mindset as them, which do you think will take longer the cut scenes or finding a new tank? because I can honestly say for me the next group will take me a minute or two at most from me hitting that que button.

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What the minority is depends. I've been in groups where the majority wants to watch the cut scenes or kill all the trash or whatever. It's not what I personally want, but considering I decided to group up with complete strangers, I think it's only reasonable to stick around.

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Originally Posted by Oriachim

What a load of rubbish. People with your mindset are ruining this game.

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What mindset? Being considerate about what the majority of my group members want? The only mindset that is ruining the experience of this game is those who so insistently enforce their playstyle on others, be it for this or that reason.

This is a FINAL FANTASY GAME which means it has a HUGE and BRILLIANT story which i will watch no matter what anyone says. This is my first mmo game as i have dyslexia i never tried to play one before meaning i missed out on playing ffxi as i was scared to play with others. i will not let that fear stop me from watching all the cut sence in this game if people don't like that i'm sorry but i won't be rushed.

All the cutscenes are at the Inn but they're under "duty" instead of story.

There should be an option in the DF to prevent disagreements.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

All the cutscenes are at the Inn but they're under "duty" instead of story.

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this might be true but they are out of contex so they are not as enoyable as they would be watch as they come

So what does this mean considering I'm stuck on a JP server? The only time I ever hear anyone even remotely speak English is during duty finder so getting a group specifically to immerse in the story is next to impossible. Does this mean I don't have a right to immerse myself in the storyline if I couldn't communicate and form parties in Japanese? The long term consequences of majority rules also presents a trouble. One month from now when a majority of the player base will have finished the main scenario do the newbies who join in then have no right to enjoy the story as it should be enjoyed since most people will only be doing speed runs? In XI it was pretty difficult to find anyone who wanted to do old party content and I sure hope nobody has to go through that.

If you want majority rule to work you also have to disallow partially formed parties from queuing duty finder otherwise it's pretty easy to tip the scale and screw what the other 3 members who join your partially made party think. I'm all for an objectives check box for duty finder rather than have to force unwritten rules on others.

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Originally Posted by Drakgon

this might be true but they are out of contex so they are not as enoyable as they would be watch as they come

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I agree but people are gonna speedrun the dungeon for allagan tombstones. So you have two options. Skip the cutscene or miss a fight or entire segment of the dungeon because people aren't going to wait for you. Unless you're a tank or healer then they might. But being down 1 dps means nothing.

if there was an check box it would be better. but it doesn't happen when i finally reach the end of the story i will continue playing the story not just to farm but to enable those who want to watch the cs to be able to do so for that is the whole point of a ff game to follow the story.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

You could also argue that making 7 people wait while you watch a movie is rude...

I'm just saying that the argument can easily go both ways...

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That depends. Did the other 7 get to watch it?

I'm not skipping cutscenes. If someone doesn't like it they can fill out a comment card or write it in their dream journals.

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I'm not skipping cutscenes. If someone doesn't like it they can fill out a comment card or write it in their dream journals.

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Hahahaha fantastic response.

If people don't want me to watch the cutscenes, too bad, deal with it. Your adhd can wait a few minutes and to those saying majority rule, I only care about myself and I refuse to miss any cutscenes <3.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I agree but people are gonna speedrun the dungeon for allagan tombstones. So you have two options. Skip the cutscene or miss a fight or entire segment of the dungeon because people aren't going to wait for you. Unless you're a tank or healer then they might. But being down 1 dps means nothing.

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This is a bit off topic, but I don't understand Praetorium/Castrum tomestone runs. Sure you get 100 tomestones from each, but they also take at least 40 minutes to complete. A 20 minute Amdapor run will yield 80 Tomestones of Philosophy along with 50 Tomestones of Mythology. I just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

This is a bit off topic, but I don't understand Praetorium/Castrum tomestone runs. Sure you get 100 tomestones from each, but they also take at least 40 minutes to complete. A 20 minute Amdapor run will yield 80 Tomestones of Philosophy along with 50 Tomestones of Mythology. I just don't get it.

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I'm pretty sure AK gives 40 philosophy. 40 versus 100. You can clear Castrum pretty quickly if you know how. There's a decent chunk of mobs that can be skipped and the cannons can kill off many fast.

Here is my warning:

If you care about the story, there's a few hundred boring quests you need to do to actually do the story....which sucks. I wanted actual quests for the storyline, but these are mostly fetch quests or talk to NPC quests, then return. Very boring. 1.23 had better story quests.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I'm pretty sure AK gives 40 philosophy. 40 versus 100. You can clear Castrum pretty quickly if you know how. There's a decent chunk of mobs that can be skipped and the cannons can kill off many fast.

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Ah. I might have been thinking of the first-time completion bonus, then.

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Originally Posted by Mkilbride

Here is my warning:

If you care about the story, there's a few hundred boring quests you need to do to actually do the story....which sucks. I wanted actual quests for the storyline, but these are mostly fetch quests or talk to NPC quests, then return. Very boring. 1.23 had better story quests.

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I'd take fetch quests over parlay any day of the week. Plus, in 1.0, the level gap between story quests was terrible. By the time you got a new quest, you already forgot what happened in the last one. At least we've got a continuous string from 1 to 50 now.

That said, fetch quests are tiring and out of place for main scenario quests.