No, the majority apparently would quit if servers became regional, well at least according to one or two people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radnar
So I can't play and tell with EU/NA/JP friends in ARR...
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09-09-2012, 02:08 AMJackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 02:18 AMMomita
People don't appreciate Regional Server but the reduction for the Lag Problem (and if u remember SE said that have found the problem for the actual problem lag and will correct in 2.0... and if the correction for SE is Regional Server.. Good Game -.-" )
And yes, i'll roll in all server that my multiple worldwide friends go.. Ubiquity (Can I have it?) /sarcasm
In all MMO i've ALWAYS hated regional server... Why you force me to play only with EU player or NA player or JP player only? It's called Massive Multiplayer Online not Regional Multiplayer Online -.-
I really hope in a misleading traduction and in 2.0 won't come the Regional Server. Please SE were doing well.. don't send all in s**t now PLS. -
09-09-2012, 02:21 AMJackDanielsIt's also not called Global Multiplayer Online..Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
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09-09-2012, 02:23 AMMomitaQuote:
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If you want to play alone go to play to hello kitty offline -.- -
09-09-2012, 02:24 AMJackDanielsWho the feck are you again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
EDIT: HK is my idol, so if you were trying to insult me, it didn't work. Troll harder. -
09-09-2012, 02:41 AMDelsusThe only upside of having regional servers is reduction in lag, but SE may have found a fix and allow us to play internationally. Well there's always the xenophobia as well, which it seems people suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
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09-09-2012, 02:48 AMJackDanielsI have to strongly disagree with you there. There are pros and cons to both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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09-09-2012, 02:53 AMDelsusThe only pro for regional servers is less latency to the server, cons are segregating the community, you have to play during prime time or you will get nothing done, less people to play with, not learning about other cultures (part I love)Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Pros for international servers is the cons I put above just reversed, and cons are only higher latency (which SE may have fixed.) -
09-09-2012, 02:55 AMJackDanielsIt all boils down to how Square Enix is going to improve the auto-translate function if they decide to not have regional servers. It's entirely impossible for English only ps3 players to use google translate to decipher Japanese (and vise versa), unless they know how to pronounce and in turn properly spell all of the English derivatives of Japanese characters. It's really rare to see a Japanese player speak Japanese in English characters in this game, at least from my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
EDIT: It is an issue for every different language, but the problem is more prevalent with Japanese as it is not that common for them to speak English French German and Spanish as apposed to people who live in Europe where multi-lingualism is pretty common. -
09-09-2012, 02:57 AMJynxBecause nobody has a internet connection in their homes these days or a smartphone right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 02:58 AMleomike35
The reason they let you choose which server closest to you is to probably give you better options. Like my router connects to San Francisco and does ok but I can chose Chicago server and I get better speeds. (Live in Kansas). So its probably to give you better latency but also like to give you the choice if you like some latency for a challenge you can stick with overseas server. I think its merely about choices.
I dont know how Devs can say something that seems pretty clear and ppl can come up with about 10 different versions of what was said. Makes me wonder the level of reading comprehension. :) -
09-09-2012, 02:58 AMJackDanielsderp my keyboard doesn't have japanese characters the last time i checked.. unless there's a secret ctrl+c button on the ps3 controller that transmits the miracle multi platform clipboard from ps3 to pcQuote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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09-09-2012, 02:59 AMDelsusPS3 players can't have google translate on their phones, or they can't have a laptop sat near them to look things up, is PS3 really that much of a limitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:01 AMJynxYou are "Derp" then because all computers/smartphones/most technology can type Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:02 AMJackDanielsWoooooooooooooow, that's all I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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09-09-2012, 03:06 AMJynxYou are aware that all computers and most electronic devices used for communitcation have "Hardware" keyboard in multiple languages right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:10 AMJackDaniels
No I wasn't aware. The point is moot though as some people run the ps3 on the same screen they run their computers on, and some people don't have smart phones. What your telling me is that the auto translation is fine as it is and if you don't intend on buying a smart phone for the sole purpose of fumbling through dozens of alien squiggle characters, then you may as well not play the game.
EDIT: I know we have our differences but you are realllllly stretching to make a counter-argument against me right now. -
09-09-2012, 03:10 AMDelsusAnyone can get a Japanese keyboard, its all software built into Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:12 AMJackDanielsOh good grief. Bye now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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09-09-2012, 03:15 AMJynxNo I'm not, I'm just pointing out the holes in your argument. It's full of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Auto translation is far from perfect and it never will be due to the massive differences in how we speak our languages. It's hard to explain to someone not versed in Japanese at all but if you were to litteraly translate every word in Japanese you come up with the same garbledegook that Google translate throws out at you.
Japanese can be very situationally and context sensative for a language, it doesn't follow the same rules that english adheres too making translation beyond a few words difficult at best. Even the best stringed together chain of auto translated words often looks like gibberish to Japanese players because the words in the dictionary can usually mean a few different things to them on the other side.
I think SE has put towards a massive effort allready into the auto translation dictionary and I doubt they will stop there they add new terms often and try to make basic communication between language barriers around the world easier. But it will never be possible to do more than just the basics.
So, just letting you know that SE hasn't totally flopped on the whole auto-translation thing, they put in a hell of alot more effort than most companies do...wich is none. -
09-09-2012, 03:21 AMJackDaniels
Learn to read. I wasn't arguing for regional servers (which I'm in favor of but that's not the point), I was pointing out the need for vast improvements in the auto-translate function. Without improvements to the auto-translate function, the ONLY benefit to global servers as apposed to regional would be stuff selling in the wards at all times of the day.
Square Enix is the only company that advocates a global gaming community, and in fact uses it as a selling point. So what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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09-09-2012, 03:23 AMStarlord
Its not like the Japanese players like to play with us anyways! JP ORNY! >.<
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09-09-2012, 03:24 AMJackDanielsThat may change with the advent of a fully realized auto-translate function in conjunction with evened out latency. It may not though based on obvious cultural differences. Honestly what English speaking person ever says "thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass" other than FFXI and FFXIV players who have it engrained in their heads from auto-sentence-finishing (because that's all the auto-translate is good for).Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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09-09-2012, 03:28 AMJynxQuote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Never said you were...
I just pointed out the flaw in your argument when you made it seem like PS3 users are utterly disconected from the wired world. -
09-09-2012, 03:30 AMJackDanielsIn the end it's unrealistic to expect PS3 players to have to use facilities outside of the game itself to communicate with up to 50% of their community on their server (depending on what server).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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09-09-2012, 03:39 AMJynxTechnically even PC players have to go outside of the game if they want a more direct translation than Auto trans offers. I'm not sure what you expect them to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
It would be nifty though if they allowed a APP of some sort to Auto translate (As best it can) for players. But I'm not sure on the legal implications of automatically translating text like that. -
09-09-2012, 03:49 AMJackDanielsWe may see mods for that but only on PC. What I expect them to do is to segregate servers so that if I am on during my region's prime time, I have a larger pool of people to play with. When I'm not in the mood to translate (ie: I just want to poke stuff with my lance, not make a friend on the other side of the world who I will probably never associate with ever again), the Japanese player base is dead to me. In fact, for me, they are a nuisance because they fill my shout log with indecipherable spam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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09-09-2012, 03:52 AMMomita
Anyone force you to play with JP players! >_>
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09-09-2012, 03:53 AMJynxThis is obviously where we differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
What about the European community? What about the Austrailians? What about Poeple who live in other places of the world not in your timezone? Many people will be stuck either playing on a server with no people of the native language during primetime or being left to rot if they don't play during primetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:53 AMJackDanielsThis would be a non-issue if SE made the right decision in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
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09-09-2012, 03:56 AMAlhanelemNot really, Momita. Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
You will still be able to play on any server you want. You are free to choose servers near you for better network performance, and you are free to choose to play on servers further away to play with people in other regions.
You're making some awfully bold assumptions, especially about the size of the playerbase. You seem awfully sure that the playerbase isn't going to increase.Quote:
What about the European community? What about the Austrailians? What about Poeple who live in other places of the world not in your timezone? Many people will be stuck either playing on a server with no people of the native language during primetime or being left to rot if they don't play during primetime.
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09-09-2012, 03:56 AMMomita
Right decision? lol
if you had bad experiences you can't categorize all players .. is called racism bro ^^
Prefer play in worldwide server w/o lag or a regional server w/o lag? >_> -
09-09-2012, 03:57 AMMomitaI can't choose EU server, NA server and JP server together ^o^Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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09-09-2012, 03:57 AMElexiaYet you choose to play a Japanese MMORPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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09-09-2012, 03:58 AMJackDanielsWell actually I normally play during European prime time. If I was locked into North American region, it wouldn't really make that much of a difference to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
Also, every German person I've encountered can speak English as well as I can speak French (I'm Canadian). The only people I want segregated are the Japanese, due cultural and language barriers. I don't hate the Japanese, they just don't fit. It's clearly too much for SE to make a functional auto-translate so long as Japanese is a variable.
I don't play it because it's Japanese any more than I played TERA because it is Korean. TERA has it right though, people aren't crying because they can't play with their Japanese/Korean counterparts on their forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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09-09-2012, 04:02 AMTahldonWhat do you mean "what do we do"? Just keep playing the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
That's it. They're not splitting the worlds up so that NA plays with NA, EU plays with EU, or JP plays with JP. It's increased latency (read: more lag) vs decreased latency (read: less lag). He said we can choose the region that we desired, which most likely translates to:
What region are you in?
[ ] NA
[ ] EU
[ ] JP
You check one and you will be connected to that set of servers so that you get a faster connection to play the game with everyone (read: everyone = all regions, JP + NA + EU = ALL) so that you don't lag and get blown up by eruptions during Ifrit fight.
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09-09-2012, 04:04 AMJackDanielsExactly, all we can do is hope for a fully realized auto-translate function, OR, we can continue on as one big dysfunctional global family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahldon
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09-09-2012, 04:05 AMMomitaI hope it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahldon
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09-09-2012, 04:09 AMTahldonIf your primary concern is auto-translate functionality, please create (or find) a topic about that and leave feedback so that Bayohne or other mods can relay those concerns to the dev team.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Or take this opportunity to put out a question to Yoshi-P directly in the next Live Letter about it so that he's aware that there is player concern. The Live Letter is here. If someone has asked that question already, "like" it.
That's all we can do. -
09-09-2012, 04:15 AMJackDanielsActually I participated quite thoroughly in one of those threads. Of course only a handful of people participated in it (because nobody but the excessively vocal minority on these forums cares about it), there was no dev response but I do believe some of the suggestions were added in a patch shortly after. Also I've posed a question in the live letter question thread. This entire conversation in this thread is not redundant though, if the reps are doing their jobs correctly, they will see this as a hot topic (which some of you guys are getting up in arms over) and report it accordingly to their superiors. Not like it makes that much of an impact, the only time SE pretends to care what the non Japanese are talking about in their forums is when it just so happens to be an important topic for the Japanese players at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahldon
EDIT: there's not much more to say on the topic but I'd like to set it straight that there are pros and cons to both regional and global servers. Try to not be so biased because if the designation of the servers is not set in stone, popular player opinion on the matter can actually make a difference.