A game for 2 year olds.

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A game for 2 year olds.

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And yet..here you are, playing the game. I mean, at some point, do people stop and think "Huh, I'M the one with the problem here"?

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

Not to detract from your main argument, but according to your Lodestone, you started playing somewhere around May 2020, and joined the forums 3 months afterwards. You're right that it's not exactly accurate, but it's pretty close.
Conversely, and in support of your argument, the person Denhith was talking about started playing roughly on June 2020, but joined the forums almost two years later.

This information is pretty public in the Lodestone by default, for better or worse.

Edit: If you, or anyone else, prefer to keep that information to yourself, all you have to do is log into the Lodestone, then click on on your character's portrait, and go to Character Settings. Once there, you can make your Achievements private. Sorting the achievements from oldest to newest is the best way to tell when someone started playing the game, give or take.

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https://i.imgur.com/eWnwaF9.png

Realistically, I doubt a lot of people would go through the trouble. But I figured I'd share that, in case anyone was curious.

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My join date on the forum doesn't match my start date, yes. Thank you for confirming what I said.
Not sure why you're knitpicking the exact length or what relevancy that holds to the conversation I was involved in.
I also don't feel a need to hide that information but I appreciate your concern.
Enjoy the rest of your night. C:

OK. Is the tread for the two year old or the four year old. Is the time paradox of the nightwartex.

tread age 2 year old
tread age 4 year old

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

My join date on the forum doesn't match my start date, yes. Thank you for confirming what I said.
Not sure why you're knitpicking the exact length or what relevancy that holds to the conversation I was involved in.
I also don't feel a need to hide that information but I appreciate your concern.
Enjoy the rest of your night. C:

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I was just adding to what you were saying, since the forum join date vs the actual join date was a discussion topic earlier in the thread. I just brought up the fact you can use the Lodestone to gather that information, without having to resort to speculation.

I quoted you in my previous post, because you mentioned your forum join date differed from your game one, and I was just curious about the dates; but my post wasn't meant to throw shade at you or demerit what you were saying.

I find that not a lot of people know about the Lodestone's functionalities as a whole, and I felt it was a good opportunity to bring it up. Apologies if you felt my comment was too targeted towards you, it was just an example for anyone else who was curious about the topic itself.

It is so endearing to learn that even three-year-old players have opinions about their two-year-old companions.

Funnier still are the adult, non-Japanese players who simply don't get Japanese humor.

On another note -- How about the Eminence in Shadow anime series, eh? I found it last year, and it was well worth the subscription to HIDIVE.

I mean...if he was expecting a dark story to be centered around moon bunnies, he was already setting himself up for disappointment. Us mature players know a little fluffy and cutesy in an optional side quest doesn't make the entire game. Also I really wanna know where these complaints were when there was stuff like the moogle beast tribes? At least the moon bunnies aren't as insufferable as those little things imo...

I'd say everyone's mileage will vary, personally.

I mean, I find the overused running gags in the Hildibrand quests painfully predictable and unfunny. However, I don't feel any need to post a thread ranting about how, for example, I find the sight of Godbert running around in his underpants for the 50th time tiresome to the point where his appearance = SKIP!

(Needless to say I was painfully unimpressed by having to play AS him in the new Hildi content!)

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

It is so endearing to learn that even three-year-old players have opinions about their two-year-old companions.

Funnier still are the adult, non-Japanese players who simply don't get Japanese humor.

On another note -- How about the Eminence in Shadow anime series, eh? I found it last year, and it was well worth the subscription to HIDIVE.

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Just wanted to chime in and say this anime is fantastic.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Funnier still are the adult, non-Japanese players who simply don't get Japanese humor.

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Is this the "you don't like it so you obviously don't understand it" 'argument'?

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

Us mature players know a little fluffy and cutesy in an optional side quest doesn't make the entire game. Also I really wanna know where these complaints were when there was stuff like the moogle beast tribes?

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The moogles only appeared like once in the MSQ and in there own tribe quests. Unlike the bunnies that basically have 2 tribes (because who are you talking to instead of an Omicron?), had more appearances in the MSQ, are heavily featured outside the game (tweetingway and the horrible costume)...

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

XIV has never not been kid friendly. Most dark things in xiv I've seen darker on Cartoon Network in the early 2000s.

People need to chill lol. Most of EWs Msq isn't fun games. People also forget Pandaemonium exists but ya know, selective bias n all that

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Right it was never that dark. Pandaemonium is like the old content. Written for ages 10 and up maybe? A lot of the new content feels like it's written for toddlers. Can't wait for FFXIV paw patrol!

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Originally Posted by Graeham

OK. Is the tread for the two year old or the four year old. Is the time paradox of the nightwartex.

tread age 2 year old
tread age 4 year old

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Upcoming thread "A game for foetuses"

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

I was just adding to what you were saying, since the forum join date vs the actual join date was a discussion topic earlier in the thread. I just brought up the fact you can use the Lodestone to gather that information, without having to resort to speculation.

I quoted you in my previous post, because you mentioned your forum join date differed from your game one, and I was just curious about the dates; but my post wasn't meant to throw shade at you or demerit what you were saying.

I find that not a lot of people know about the Lodestone's functionalities as a whole, and I felt it was a good opportunity to bring it up. Apologies if you felt my comment was too targeted towards you, it was just an example for anyone else who was curious about the topic itself.

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Fair enough. Should re-read your post then since it definitely came off differently to me than just educating people since I'm not sure why my specific time difference mattered in the first place to use in your post (since nyself and the others involved were discussing the OPs time) or why the comment of needing to hide info was directed at me at all (since I never said i wanted or needed to in the first place). If you had removed all that and just had the general instructions for everyone (without specifying me) for how to hide the info then I wouldn't be taking it as something negative. That's all.

Anyway, appreciate your input and enjoy the rest of your day.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

Yet another patch of running this game to the ground and turning a good setting into cheap book for kids

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FF14 has a history of silliness going all the way back to ARR, so I’m not really sure what you are on about here. I personally love the perfect blend of silly and serious and certainly don’t see any content draught.
In EW we’ve got an entirely new design of dungeons, an island to chill on, Crystaline Conflict to grind while it’s still fun and relevant, amazing story, non-grindy relics, Ultimates for hardcore PvE enjoyers, plenty of new housing items, fair housing lottery system without the need to out-click RMT bots and much much more.

For me the game is much more balanced and perfected the unique symbiosis of hard Savage fights for those who enjoy grind and challenge, and casual content.
After 10 years in WoW which had only grind, this is extremely refreshing and good MMO design.

Plus claiming that SE is running the game to the ground certainly doesn’t add up to reality, as the player base keeps growing. They haven’t opened two entirely new DCs just because they had nothing to do. They were needed as the game is becoming more and more popular.

I get that this is just low hanging fruit, but you really didn't have to go this out of your way to express how you feel about a beast tribe, i mean you could, and you did, but it just says that you typed more then what was required.

Some people won't be happy unless everything is grimdark and we're all eating corpse starch.

Look on the brightside, OP. At least the Loporrits aren't twerking. I would just avoid the Loporrits as much as possible if I were you, because they are supposed to be the epitome of sugary cuteness in this game.

EDIT: Although the Adventurous Ambystoma is much cuter, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Is this the "you don't like it so you obviously don't understand it" 'argument'?

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Nope. There are plenty Japanese anime/manga series I don't go out of my way to watch/read that have humorous themes.

The humor behind the concept of Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun (地縛少年花子くん) [Toilet-Bound Hanako-kun] was enough to steer me away from it, as an example.

The humor behind the concept of Kage no Jitsuryokusha ni Naritakute! (陰の実力者になりたくて!) [The Eminence in Shadow] appealed to me. I started watching it as soon as I found out about the anime and have the translated manga volumes as well.

Majikku Kaito 1412 (まじっく快斗1412) [Magic Kaito 1412] sort of humor is easier to watch, understand and enjoy. Even for those of us in the West.

Hildibrand may appear to be 'cringe' to many North American or European tastes, but so is South Park.

Loporrits in the game are an echo of the Hummingways of Final Fantasy IV. Why are there rabbits on the moon? Because the Moon rabbit is part of the east asian mythic tradition. And we are on the moon.

The bunnies are not those of Watership Down, so why do you expect anything more of them than you do of Moogles [aka Light Entertainment]?

Different people enjoy different things, but dismissing something without understanding is a problem to be corrected.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Different people enjoy different things, but dismissing something without understanding is a problem to be corrected.

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Indeed. I thought we were on the game as a whole but if we talk about the moon bunnies than i'm 100% on your side. Little goofy bunnies would actually feel displaced in darker stories. Just imagine a MSQ cutscene where a bunny called "Passedaway" tells you about the death of Thancred. Yikes.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Hildibrand may appear to be 'cringe' to many North American or European tastes, but so is South Park.

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I compare it to garrys mod videos, and they are just as cringe as hildibrand is. And just like gmod, this cringe isnt desired by all players. And yet, people can still make somewhat normal videos with it. SFM however killed most of this stuff as instead of the bad faces and cringe, quality smoothness became possible (while still allowing the cringe faces to show up).

South park became cringe over time. As originaly it was just a relentless and rude method of showing jokes and making some political statement through some episodes. It became cringe since this rudeness became unacceptable, so they tried to compensate it in other ways (that just dont work, and became cringe).

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Loporrits in the game are an echo of the Hummingways of Final Fantasy IV.

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Whatever other arguments you gave for their existance. I think this alone should already be a main reason to accept them in ffxiv. Its a perfect reference to an older game, just like many of the primals.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

The moogles only appeared like once in the MSQ and in there own tribe quests. Unlike the bunnies that basically have 2 tribes (because who are you talking to instead of an Omicron?), had more appearances in the MSQ, are heavily featured outside the game (tweetingway and the horrible costume)...

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Nope. The moogles appeared 3 times in the MSQ (4 times if you count Gridania intro/quests), in the Ivalice raids and in the Dark Knight questline, so a lot more than the moon bunnies have been. It just didn't "bother" people because they were spread out. And moogles have been the staple mascot for Final Fantasy since the beginning if you wanna count outside game influences. They even have an extra sidequest with the postmail moogle to get a rare glamour item. So yes, the moogles have appeared more than the moon bunnies.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

XIV has never not been kid friendly. Most dark things in xiv I've seen darker on Cartoon Network in the early 2000s.

People need to chill lol. Most of EWs Msq isn't fun games. People also forget Pandaemonium exists but ya know, selective bias n all that

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So war is kid friendly? Using a chemical weapon for genocide and militant purposes is kid friendly? Pandemonium is there yes, but the real issue is that the proportions are off, within EW recently for every 1 instance of supposed danger there are 15 more strolls in candyland.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

or why the comment of needing to hide info was directed at me at all (since I never said i wanted or needed to in the first place). If you had removed all that and just had the general instructions for everyone (without specifying me) for how to hide the info then I wouldn't be taking it as something negative. That's all.

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It wasn't directed at you... I said that if you, or anyone else, felt like keeping that information private, they can do so with the steps I posted. I didn't mean to imply you had anything to hide, nor did I intend to word that in a hostile manner. Like I said in my previous post, I quoted you because you were the one who brought up the fact first, and just used it as an example. I also ended up supporting your main argument by pointing out two examples.

I will retract and delete my original post, if it makes you feel better. I just think you inferred and assumed what my intent was, and responded a bit defensively over something that wasn't meant to be an attack.

Have a good day as well.

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

Nope. The moogles appeared 3 times in the MSQ (4 times if you count Gridania intro/quests), in the Ivalice raids and in the Dark Knight questline, so a lot more than the moon bunnies have been. It just didn't "bother" people because they were spread out. And moogles have been the staple mascot for Final Fantasy since the beginning if you wanna count outside game influences. They even have an extra sidequest with the postmail moogle to get a rare glamour item. So yes, the moogles have appeared more than the moon bunnies.

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A huge chunk as to why a lot have a problem with the Moogles is due to how annoying they are in their own quests. Along with how much of a slog it feels to clear off every side quest in the Churning Mists. A requirement for the completion of most of those if all you want to do is unlock their tribal quests. I love the moogles and yet any time I would get the one daily that had you use the slap emote on that one moogle it I enjoyed it. Only due to how irritable said moogle is during that quest. You can even have a moogle conduct your Eternal Bonding ceremony.

The Loporrits on the other hand have shown up in some fashion in every seasonal event since 6.0 dropped. Normally off to the side after you've completed the event or in small optional cutscene. For me it's fine as it shows them exploring the planet and wanting to try and understand those who inhabit it better. Currently if you have the right triggers for it you can see Puddingway, Sleepingway, a third Loporrit, Alpha and Omega enjoying two varieties of dongo.

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

So war is kid friendly?

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Is it because we have an axe?

I sure do love King Moogle Mogg. The epitome of darkness.

Not to get too snide, but I feel like OP's attitude is what the Dark Knight questline was explicitly mocking in HW (50/60), which is funny since those were apparently the olden days of grimdark goodness where there was no goofiness and "narratives for babies."

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

So war is kid friendly? Using a chemical weapon for genocide and militant purposes is kid friendly? Pandemonium is there yes, but the real issue is that the proportions are off, within EW recently for every 1 instance of supposed danger there are 15 more strolls in candyland.

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They must learn, damn.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

I sure do love King Moogle Mogg. The epitome of darkness.

Not to get too snide, but I feel like OP's attitude is what the Dark Knight questline was explicitly mocking in HW (50/60), which is funny since those were apparently the olden days of grimdark goodness where there was no goofiness and "narratives for babies."

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Too much comedic stuff in current content => ??? => all must be grimdark!!!

Typical sith & forum poster response. Don't know why comedic stuff has to appear in almost every new questline though

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

So war is kid friendly?

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War is, in fact, the name of a game which children do, indeed, play. This is also true in Final Fantasy, where, in 8, the orphange scene depicts excitement about the prospect of playing War amongst the children (all this despite being in the middle of the Sorceress War).

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

War is, in fact, the name of a game which children do, indeed, play. This is also true in Final Fantasy, where, in 8, the orphange scene depicts excitement about the prospect of playing War amongst the children (all this despite being in the middle of the Sorceress War).

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My reply was in response to someone else saying FF14 has always been kid friendly. The "War" and its related themes, was a reference to SB, and and the Chemical weapon intended and used for genocide/militant purposes being that weapon that shall not be named, used in a certain side quest.

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Originally Posted by Denhith

Tell me you're new to the game without telling me you're new to the game.

*Looks at join date. Yeah, makes sense.

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First thing I noticed as well. He probably thinks the world revolves around him and his opinion too.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

EDIT: Although the Adventurous Ambystoma is much cuter, in my opinion.

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Axolotls are adorable. Give me all the Ambystoma merch please. It's not over-trying to be cute, it just sits there and is inherently cute.

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

Some people won't be happy unless everything is grimdark and we're all eating corpse starch.

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Burgers and buuz are for 2 year olds. Now meol, that's REAL man's food!

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Burgers and buuz are for 2 year olds. Now meol, that's REAL man's food!

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man food indeed

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Now meol, that's REAL man's food!

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Soylent green is made of people.....

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

Some people won't be happy unless everything is grimdark and we're all eating corpse starch.

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There are probably also some people who won't be happy unless everything is childish, bright, and simple to the point of insulting our intelligence.

I've never understood why the desire to leave one extreme is always interpreted as a desire to sprint towards the other. Someone wanting the story to be competent and logical does not mean they want the story to be grimdark. (although those are not necessarily mutually exclusive, some people might genuinely want that as well) Right now, the story is definitely leaning towards one extreme, that being the extremely safe, simple, and childish side of the storytelling spectrum. A good balance between the two is the best place to be, and we need some seriousness to balance out the silliness.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

There are probably also some people who won't be happy unless everything is childish, bright, and simple to the point of insulting our intelligence.

I've never understood why the desire to leave one extreme is always interpreted as a desire to sprint towards the other. Someone wanting the story to be competent and logical does not mean they want the story to be grimdark. (although those are not necessarily mutually exclusive, some people might genuinely want that as well) Right now, the story is definitely leaning towards one extreme, that being the extremely safe, simple, and childish side of the storytelling spectrum. A good balance between the two is the best place to be, and we need some seriousness to balance out the silliness.

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Not sure about that when half the playerbase still think there are good guys and bad guys regarding the end of the Ancients, and so on. FFXIV's story is not extremely safe, simple and childish, it just doesn't appeal to some of the playerbase, that resort to using that argument instead of "I just don't like this". I'm not saying it's a masterpiece either, it's just... what you can expect from a "standard" video game. There are way poorer narratives that are praised by people, way better narratives that are despised... It's just average, and it doesn't really need to be deeper.

Except if you're talking about loporrits, which are meant to be a breather in an otherwise darker expansion that what we had until now (except for HW, which tried hard to be grim, but where writers constantly backed off after each patch because they didn't want to be too dark I guess), and beast tribes, which... always have been dumb.

Really, I do think you're all way too invested in the game, if you really think it's that big of a deal.

Even ARR was darker than Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

(...) Really, I do think you're all way too invested in the game, if you really think it's that big of a deal.

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1. FFXIV's story is praised by many to be one of the best ones, here you defend it as a "standard" story. Interesting how this happens when someone takes a more detailed look on the story and doesn't hand wave it
2. What poorer narratives and also What-aboutism
3. How is the story not extremly save and childish? No one of importance can ever be harmed anymore, even mass murderers (Zenos, Mommy Crystal, Meteion) get a methaporical hug and are forgiven. Killed half the universe? Here, have your favorite flower. There also wasn't anything more serious going on in EW. It's just show. What did the "Final Days" actually do? It's like a children's show telling them not to be afraid of the dark.
4. So the loporrits are a breather... from what though? Honest question. Do we get an EXPAC and then get "breather" "relax" "chill" content for 2 years?
5. We are on the forum. We all are a little too invested in the game. You too. Most players wouldn't have written that much text

Like that one ign guy said about sonic.


FFXIV was never good.

For toddlers kupo <3 they can dps with a summoner by setting up three buttons kupo <3 just tell them to spam 3 buttons..in normals they still gonna top parses kupo <3


Or Machinist can with some dps loss of course take just about every ability and slam it in to one macro (again loss of dps) but it works for normals etc..


jk kupo <3 :o:p