How is anyone fine with the 4-month patch delivery schedule?

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Originally Posted by Snorky

Puddingway is awesome, it should have been spelled puddinway giving it a southern accent.

Ps.. I posted in a Skiros thread on March 1 2022

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Well, my first Skiros derail was Pie, the second was Cake, this one was going to Pudding...but I decided to go sillier. :-)

You must be new to the game.

FFXIV is kinda designed for you to unsub in content droughts. It's not like WoW that is made to always keep you entertained by itself, at least ever since ShB started that's been the case. They don't make a lot of content at endgame in this game, and most of the playerbase has just accepted it at this point.

I wish there was more, but it's a dead horse at this point. FFXIV just has nothing to do after a point.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You must be new to the game.

FFXIV is kinda designed for you to unsub in content droughts. It's not like WoW that is made to always keep you entertained by itself, at least ever since ShB started that's been the case. They don't make a lot of content at endgame in this game, and most of the playerbase has just accepted it at this point.

I wish there was more, but it's a dead horse at this point. FFXIV just has nothing to do after a point.

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OP is not new. But he knows how to bait this forum (yes i know, I also fell for his bait)

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I'm fine with this because I support a little bit more QoL for our Devs as far as their actual everyday working lives go.

I'm fine with this because I don't think it's the job of any one game to keep me entertained every single day of my life for years on end.

I'm fine with this because I have interests outside of FFXIV, and I don't really get FoMo with FFXIV if I want to do something else.

I'm fine with this as I already consume content slowly so I always feel like I have a lot of options for activities while I am subbed, and I simply can unsub when I've done what I want to do in game.

I think people super upset at this need to get some RL perspective and balance in their lives.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

You must be new to the game.

FFXIV is kinda designed for you to unsub in content droughts. It's not like WoW that is made to always keep you entertained by itself, at least ever since ShB started that's been the case. They don't make a lot of content at endgame in this game, and most of the playerbase has just accepted it at this point.

I wish there was more, but it's a dead horse at this point. FFXIV just has nothing to do after a point.

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I think that is an excuse the devs like to use in place of "we are lazy and we are just going to follow this simple patch cycle repeatedly."

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I think people super upset at this need to get some RL perspective and balance in their lives.

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I think people that get upset over this, want something for the $15 they have been paying / are currently paying.

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Originally Posted by Johners

You’re aware that this is necessary, right? The housing wards would be awful right now if the original buyers were never subject to auto demolition. Imagine how many plots would be abandoned because someone acquired a house and stopped playing. Imagine how much gatekeeping would occur when someone willing to decided to vacate a plot.

This game doesn’t exist just for the people that play it when they add content but also exists for people that might return or start as a new player. No housing demolition means it would be an entire gameplay system that belongs to ARR-era players and nobody else. I appreciate the initial intentions they had in not wanting an auto demolition but the downside to that is absolutely terrible quality of life, especially when the player base is much larger than it was in ARR.

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Or yknow, they could just have housing be instanced. That way we also wouldn’t be tied to such a limited item decoration limit, but because Yoshi P sama doesn’t like it we can’t have it :p

In terms of content, i think this game severely lacks it, especially when we got less stuff on release. Literally skipping us out on dungeon gear now, and also reusing gear still while also still not making it dyable. Each expansion it’s just more and more downgrades while the game makes more and more money. Now the patches will be taking even longer. It’s a small increase but it’s an increase nonetheless, which having that on top of the massive delay we had for this expansion it’s just… a slap in the face to put it bluntly. People say play other games but that’s not an excuse for it. It’s just a deflection to the problem. People said the same thing about shb and look at that. No hildibrand. No deep dungeons. Cut down dungeons, no allied beasts tribes etc.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I mean the fact that you have to go out of your way to find stuff to do to enjoy FF14 says it all really.

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Then quit. If you're not happy with the game; leave. Go do anything else. Find something that'll make you happy enough that you don't constantly complain about optional past time activities.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

Then quit. If you're not happy with the game; leave. Go do anything else. Find something that'll make you happy enough that you don't constantly complain about optional past time activities.

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This is a horrible way to act to criticism. The whole point of the forums is to give criticism. Trying to gatekeep and deny that is this community’s biggest flaw. You don’t have to agree with peoples takes but please for the love of god stop hiding behind the “just unsub, don’t play the game.” A lot of people critique the game because they want to see it improved. With how much money the game makes, we’re allowed to share our opinions.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I think people that get upset over this, want something for the $15 they have been paying / are currently paying.

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You are getting access to the entire game and new content, 2 weeks slower. If that's not good enough for you, unsub.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is a horrible way to act to criticism. The whole point of the forums is to give criticism. Trying to gatekeep and deny that is this community’s biggest flaw. You don’t have to agree with peoples takes but please for the love of god stop hiding behind the “just unsub, don’t play the game.” A lot of people critique the game because they want to see it improved. With how much money the game makes, we’re allowed to share our opinions.

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And here we have the Devs saying they are tired of crunch and for whatever reason they are slowing down updates slightly to give some level of rest to their team. This is a huge problem in this industry and players can be insatiable, consume content immediately and never be satisfied. Not much you can do with that staying in a budget.

The Devs themselves said it's okay to unsub when your done with the content. A person here saying the same thing is in alignment with the Devs for what they decided is best for their employees and their game.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is a horrible way to act to criticism. The whole point of the forums is to give criticism. Trying to gatekeep and deny that is this community’s biggest flaw. You don’t have to agree with peoples takes but please for the love of god stop hiding behind the “just unsub, don’t play the game.” A lot of people critique the game because they want to see it improved. With how much money the game makes, we’re allowed to share our opinions.

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Giving constructive criticism? On this forum? What a miracle that would be.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

What are players who aren't going to do Ultimate do for four months in 6.1?

1. Do the alliance raid, which probably takes 1-2 hours to complete on day 1.

2. Do the Tataru and Hildebrand quests which take 2 hours judging by previous instances.

3. Do the new extreme trial which takes like 2-4 hours to clear.

4. Waste 5 mins every day on beast tribes, and waste 3 mins every week on custom delivery.

Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

With this little content they should be accelerating patch delivery, not slowing it down.

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So let me ask you this, what would an ideal patch cycle look like to you, what are you looking for in an endgame that isn't being delivered? Please be as specific as possible.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is a horrible way to act to criticism. The whole point of the forums is to give criticism. Trying to gatekeep and deny that is this community’s biggest flaw. You don’t have to agree with peoples takes but please for the love of god stop hiding behind the “just unsub, don’t play the game.” A lot of people critique the game because they want to see it improved. With how much money the game makes, we’re allowed to share our opinions.

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Many would agree with you if

1 It was valid criticism displayed as a ration clear post about a players thoughts , positive and negative

2 OP wasn't posting subject matters that strike a nerve , almost on a daily basis , that dont criticise but complain or act in a manner like everyone else is wrong by being pro/against a hot topic/game news of the month

3 OP in recent threads has exposed that they and other well know problematic accounts are part of a group and stated in a reply that they have given up doing it to the scale they used to, on other well known accounts as they were running out of fresh ideas to aggravate these forum users with

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is a horrible way to act to criticism. The whole point of the forums is to give criticism. Trying to gatekeep and deny that is this community’s biggest flaw. You don’t have to agree with peoples takes but please for the love of god stop hiding behind the “just unsub, don’t play the game.” A lot of people critique the game because they want to see it improved. With how much money the game makes, we’re allowed to share our opinions.

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People are allowed to give their opinions but that also should go with reasonable expectations. If someone only partakes of specific content in the game, their content is going to dry up. No developer is ever going to be able to keep up with the pace some players consume content at. If someone is unhappy with that situation, the most effective way to speak is with our wallets.

Until the housing situation is fixed, unsubbing like the devs have suggested will not cut it.

If it upsets Skiros I consider it an absolute win. :p

... because they are human individuals who do not have 30+ hours in a day to keep up with content release schedules and ensuring that everything is stable, and that shows? An extra two weeks harms no one - in fact, it allows for someone to unsub for 3 months at a time and still be 100% up to date on content patches, rather than 2 weeks behind and have to put up with potential spoilers. It follows their design philosophy.

(This answer is not for Skiros, but for those who genuinely think this way and forget that humans are not robots)

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Originally Posted by Harriks

OP is not new. But he knows how to bait this forum (yes i know, I also fell for his bait)

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I mean, is it really bait when it's correct?

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I think that is an excuse the devs like to use in place of "we are lazy and we are just going to follow this simple patch cycle repeatedly."

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Oh absolutely, but they're not going to change. That's why we've been grinding tomestones for 8 years.
Though it's more square doesn't give them the budget and time they deserve and the xiv team is a small indie company :tm: more then them being lazy. I do truly believe they care, but they're always understaffed and barely meeting deadlines somehow.

The scope of what the developers are working on is significantly larger than it was when they started ARR and the 3.5-month schedule. While they can add many more developers at the top, final Q&A still depends on a very few individuals who have limited availability. An extra two weeks reduces stress on the team and stress is one of Yoshi-P's biggest concerns about the team now as it is causing retention issues. I'd rather wait two additional weeks than lose features because a developer quit due to overwork.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

If it upsets Skiros I consider it an absolute win. :p

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Originally Posted by Skiros

What are players who aren't going to do Ultimate do for four months in 6.1?

1. Do the alliance raid, which probably takes 1-2 hours to complete on day 1.

2. Do the Tataru and Hildebrand quests which take 2 hours judging by previous instances.

3. Do the new extreme trial which takes like 2-4 hours to clear.

4. Waste 5 mins every day on beast tribes, and waste 3 mins every week on custom delivery.

Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

With this little content they should be accelerating patch delivery, not slowing it down.

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Why not? Other games take years to update.

Play Elden Ring and other titles. Easy.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Until the housing situation is fixed, unsubbing like the devs have suggested will not cut it.

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You could always do what I did and let the house go. Otherwise it's up to you whether keeping the house is worth the sub fees.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

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The game director encourages people to play only when they want to. So people subbed for expansion launch, did it, quit, came back for 6.1, quit... This isn't WoW, you don't have to be subbed 24/7.

And even WoW with all it developers and cash can do a patch half a year or longer, it's generic as usual and most is tested by players, not the company :D

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

You could always do what I did and let the house go. Otherwise it's up to you whether keeping the house is worth the sub fees.

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I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

... because they are human individuals who do not have 30+ hours in a day to keep up with content release schedules and ensuring that everything is stable, and that shows? An extra two weeks harms no one - in fact, it allows for someone to unsub for 3 months at a time and still be 100% up to date on content patches, rather than 2 weeks behind and have to put up with potential spoilers. It follows their design philosophy.

(This answer is not for Skiros, but for those who genuinely think this way and forget that humans are not robots)

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So are you saying up until now SE was forcing the devs to crunch for 9 years straight? Sounds like it should be headline news on all gaming websites... Game devs finally given a few days off after working 24/7 for 9 years in a row!

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Originally Posted by Skiros

What are players who aren't going to do Ultimate do for four months in 6.1?

1. Do the alliance raid, which probably takes 1-2 hours to complete on day 1.

2. Do the Tataru and Hildebrand quests which take 2 hours judging by previous instances.

3. Do the new extreme trial which takes like 2-4 hours to clear.

4. Waste 5 mins every day on beast tribes, and waste 3 mins every week on custom delivery.

Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

With this little content they should be accelerating patch delivery, not slowing it down.

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Okay the content had gotten really repetitive and stale when doing the 3 month period, could they be pressured? Eh sure, but I don't think you'd see the results you want. Lets review what they are working on:

1. Redoing the PVP stuff so its viable endgame stuff to dedicate to
2. Graphics update
3. The same old stuff of new (same with different paint dungeons and alliance raids), ultimate etc...
4. The new dynamic difficulty dungeons
5. New deep dungeon
6. Sanctuary Island

For each of these things they'll have to revamp entire ecosystems in case of PVP, Touch every texture in the game, develop a new dungeon system for dynamic difficulty (probably learned a few things from Bozja), Keep doing what they were doing before in the three month schedule and develop a new instanced zone with mechanics for the sanctuary Island system.

Like, yeah it takes time but let's face it, they're giving a lot more than they were a year ago in terms of development and things to do so it seems like they are back in full force.

I will agree with one thing, this game has nothing to do at the moment, not for people that have been playing it for a long time and did what they wanted. But I will also admit I am SEEING that square is trying, and its not like they haven't announced huge things upcoming besides the regular so they are trying. There is evidence the money isn't just going poof.

Each one of these activities probably has a team dedicated to them and well it does seem like they are mobilizing. So I think the money we spend on the sub isn't being wasted personally.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

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Idk about you, but I can't decorate the outside of my apartment and have zero land to garden in...

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Idk about you, but I can't decorate the outside of my apartment and have zero land to garden in...

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That's exactly what I'm saying, because whenever someone brings up housing requiring a sub not to be locked out off, someone always come in to say "BUT APARTMENTS!1!!" so I wanted to get that out of the way first, that apartments and FC rooms don't equate a house

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

That's exactly what I'm saying, because whenever someone brings up housing requiring a sub not to be locked out off, someone always come in to say "BUT APARTMENTS!1!!" so I wanted to get that out of the way first, that apartments and FC rooms don't equate a house

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I really think you are stretching for evilness and schemes when it's just a by-product of the circumstances. Maybe I'm a blinded simp to SE, but I don't see it. Here's how it went as far as I can tell:
- People wanted houses, so they built houses, and to make it feel like a community, they put a bunch of them in sections called Wards.
- They were/are building off the crappy 1.0 system that wasn't built well in the first place, so the wards were also more optimal and required less space than individual housed instances.
- They only started with a few, not foreseeing them running out as quickly and not anticipating people and FC's buying out whole wards.
- They slowly added more and more wards as server limitations allow, but there still isn't enough, so they come up with the idea of evicting people who literally do not log on an play the game. You can call this scummy or w/e, but why if I was SE, and I had choose between the subbed player wanting a house and the unsubbed player NOT even using their house, would I ever favor in the person who isn't subbed. That makes zero sense.
- Still there is a cry for housing, what can they do that isn't taxing on more and more wards? Apartment! Which by themselves are just the rooms like you have in a house. Again, this makes sense as you can add more of them as they are not restricted by physical land, and probably do not takes as much space as entire wards.
- Of course you can't decorate the outside of an apartment, unless you have a balcony you can't do that irl either. the only point I could argue is maybe give way for gardening inside. I know they have some already with certain flowers and pots if I recall.

Again, you can think of it being big bad SE nickel and diming you, but I see it as the devs having an IDEA of what they thought housing SHOULD be, and trying to play catch-up. You know, like they do for everything new they have ever added ever. The current housing system is too big now to radically change it, they are always adding features, so in the words of the illuminati, "Please look forward to it."

Also not directly you, but I love when people mention the Mogstation. Yoshi-P has absolutely ZERO control over that, he said so himself. That was the deal he struck with S when he took over. He got full control over FFXIV's direction, but the Mogstation was given control to a "scary lady" I think he mentioned in who works for SE. So when crummy Mogstations stuff goes up, that's not Yoshi-P or the devs, that someone in SE looking for their next cash grab, so if you are looking for a villain look there instead of the devs.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

I really think you are stretching for evilness and schemes when it's just a by-product of the circumstances. Maybe I'm a blinded simp to SE, but I don't see it

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If they intended on making the housing system virtual neighbourhoods and not solo instances , like they did do , and not have ill intentions , they would have ensured that they had server space for the large amount of player housing that was inevitably happening due to the vast interest from said player feedback in the first place and not tie the housing plots to a subscription, permanently, and not remove that caveat once said server spaces were fulfilled , which they aren't because they haven't done any server buying just for these housing estates since they added them.


This excuse is it needs to be tied to sub so that it frees up houses for players that want a house over those that have left the game all the whilst hiding the fact they they should have bought the server space to make virtual housing neighbourhoods a non issue and also at the same time coerce those that have a massive amount of sunk costs in their virtual homes to keep subbing or they lose their time and effort in just 45 days of non payment.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

If they intended on making the housing system virtual neighbourhoods and not solo instances , like they did do , and not have ill intentions , they would have ensured that they had server space for the large amount of player housing that was inevitably happening due to the vast interest from said player feedback in the first place and not tie the housing plots to a subscription, permanently, and not remove that caveat once said server spaces were fulfilled , which they aren't because they haven't done any server buying just for these housing estates since they added them.


This excuse is it needs to be tied to sub so that it frees up houses for players that want a house over those that have left the game all the whilst hiding the fact they they should have bought the server space to make virtual housing neighbourhoods a non issue and also at the same time coerce those that have a massive amount of sunk costs in their virtual homes to keep subbing or they lose their time and effort in just 45 days of non payment.

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I personally don't think the argument of "just buy more servers lul" is as realistic as people make it out to be. I also don't get where you say they were ever "hiding" anything? And yeah, you don't pay your rent you get evicted. Not sure why this is super far-fetched, though again, maybe it's just me. Like, if they NEVER added new wards or new housing districts then MAYBE I could agree on them being scummy about it. They are even adding in new systems to house buying to ensure people have a fair chance and houses don't all get bought up by the same people, which seems like an anti-scummy move to me.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

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Honey, you saying this as if FFXIV is a free to play game. News flash, content beyond Heavensward is required a monthly sub to access. Also two factors.

A. Housing in this game is a commitment due to available purchasable plots being at a premium, that along with the exuberant amounts of money one would need to purchase one and decorate it however they so desire. Its not a thing where any average joe would be able to get sadly. The limited system is flawed for sure and its debatable whether we should have instanced housing instead (My opinion would be to have the option of both. Where we keep the perma housing wards while others can instead get an instance to decorate/garden/stable, this is my hope Island Sanctuaries become).

B. The 45 day inactive grace period is implemented to prevent unfair users who purchase the home but dont do anything with their plot as a means to completely prevent other players from purchasing land. Basically its there to combat some bit of scarcity. In that sense, 45 days is more than enough for anybody who was serious on their home to log in and tend to their house. And for a lot of people, housing is a huge part of their endgame so again its not something they would take lightly.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

So let me ask you this, what would an ideal patch cycle look like to you, what are you looking for in an endgame that isn't being delivered? Please be as specific as possible.

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I am not looking for anything in particular. I am simply asking Square Enix to increase the quantity of content that they're offering. As it stands we are getting less and less each expansion, no matter what the people on copium would say.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honey, you saying this as if FFXIV is a free to play game. News flash, content beyond Heavensward is required a monthly sub to access. Also two factors.

A. Housing in this game is a commitment due to available purchasable plots being at a premium, that along with the exuberant amounts of money one would need to purchase one and decorate it however they so desire. Its not a thing where any average joe would be able to get sadly. The limited system is flawed for sure and its debatable whether we should have instanced housing instead (My opinion would be to have the option of both. Where we keep the perma housing wards while others can instead get an instance to decorate/garden/stable, this is my hope Island Sanctuaries become).

B. The 45 day inactive grace period is implemented to prevent unfair users who purchase the home but dont do anything with their plot as a means to completely prevent other players from purchasing land. Basically its there to combat some bit of scarcity. In that sense, 45 days is more than enough for anybody who was serious on their home to log in and tend to their house. And for a lot of people, housing is a huge part of their endgame so again its not something they would take lightly.

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I'm complaining about the devs having the audacity to say "just unsub if you have nothing to do" while simultaneously punishing house owners who have nothing to do and would like to unsub. That's what's slimy. That's what requires the sub even when players would like not to be subbed.

Personally I used to be really into housing and spent a ton of both real and in game money and time to take care of my houses, I'm perfectly aware of the commitment, but I really did not like the idea of all I put into housing turning into dust if I want a longer than 45 days break from the game. I don't care why things are that way, it's as grating to hear the devs encourage people to unsub during droughts as it was to be told to go do Ultimate if we want "engaging healer gameplay". It's not addressing the elephant in the room.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

I can
1. ride my motorcycle
2. swim
3. go for a walk
4. play other games

Life is too short to afk in limsa all day

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When paying for a sub for a game, I'd like to actually have things to do in the game I am paying a sub for.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I am not looking for anything in particular. I am simply asking Square Enix to increase the quantity of content that they're offering. As it stands we are getting less and less each expansion, no matter what the people on copium would say.

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Quantity, quality, and to make that content last.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

I personally don't think the argument of "just buy more servers lul" is as realistic as people make it out to be. I also don't get where you say they were ever "hiding" anything? And yeah, you don't pay your rent you get evicted. Not sure why this is super far-fetched, though again, maybe it's just me. Like, if they NEVER added new wards or new housing districts then MAYBE I could agree on them being scummy about it. They are even adding in new systems to house buying to ensure people have a fair chance and houses don't all get bought up by the same people, which seems like an anti-scummy move to me.

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You even gloss over the fact that they are , once again , throwing new band-aids on top of a now festering wound . There is only one solution to a system that requires much larger server space to alleviate the housing ownership issues . More servers . You shouldn't , if in good faith ,design a system that needs the room to house virtual neighbourhoods and not have the servers to host it all.

They created exclusivity behind a paywall when they didnt need to. Of course it wont change now because people pay up.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I'm complaining about the devs having the audacity to say "just unsub if you have nothing to do" while simultaneously punishing house owners who have nothing to do and would like to unsub. That's what's slimy. That's what requires the sub even when players would like not to be subbed.

Personally I used to be really into housing and spent a ton of both real and in game money and time to take care of my houses, I'm perfectly aware of the commitment, but I really did not like the idea of all I put into housing turning into dust if I want a longer than 45 days break from the game. I don't care why things are that way, it's as grating to hear the devs encourage people to unsub during droughts as it was to be told to go do Ultimate if we want "engaging healer gameplay". It's not addressing the elephant in the room.

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That sounds like a YOU problem in all honesty. Not a lot of people in this game own a house which is why I said that there is a certain commitment if you want to keep something thats takes up actual permanent space on a server. Again I'm not saying this system is completely perfect but those requirements are there to keep the limited housing crisis fair for everybody....as fair as such a system can get. The devs commenting people to take breaks is a general address for the majority of the community to take in regards to the game's content. Housing in of itself is just the one rare exception here, like I said a good portion of the playerbase dont own one anyway. There's nothing overly scummy for the devs to say that and the log in requirement is there to better gauge people whom stay committed to their premium virtual space. Is it fair for other people who have the means to buy a house but cant because all plots are already taken? Even by those who dont sub as much as them? You have a month and 2 weeks to stay unsubbed in this game if you own a house, which imo is enough for people to take their break and come back to do some game stuff.

I get what you're saying though. Everybody's situation will be different and its hard to cater to every single individual's needs in an MMO. I hope Island Sanctuaries help alleviate the limited housing issue.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Then don’t sub for all 4 months ?
If you are at the point where nothing in the game interest you then just stop paying for it.
People are always going to run out of media to consume. Hence canceling streaming services until new tv shows come out.

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What's the purpose in the sub then? When a game has a sub, it is presumed that content gets released at more frequent periods (or there is something to do) to justify the sub. The "just unsub" argument I have always thought was laughable.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

You should give your arms a rest after all that water you carry for SqE.

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How are your arms doing carrying that grudge?