Would be nice to finally get some Curly/Afro hairstyles included into the game

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think you're talking to someone who doesn't know how it feels to be shunned for simply being born as something they cannot change. They won't ever understand. You're wasting your time.

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Oh no I do, I am part a marginalized group on two fronts I just never let it get to me. I get the historical context behind the pride I just never got into it.

I get it but at the same time I am kinda meh to it all.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

Historical context, basically. The generation prior was discriminated against for how they were born - so it's inevitable that in a more tolerant society they openly embrace traits that were formerly viewed as ugly, inferior, etc.

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Generally speaking I still run into people that feel I am inferior due to aspects that I had no control over due to being born a certain way.

Still people will be people and that is life. To me being proud over something you had no control over is silly no matter how you spin it. Be it positive or negative spin the context does not make it any less weird and unnecessary imo

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Was the first part really nesscary? I never got the need to announce such things.

On topic aye more curly hair please and thank you.

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Is your entire presence even "nesscary." People are allowed to talk about who they are. There's literally no reason not to, except to appease people who think they have the authority to tell us what to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

To me being proud over something you had no control over is silly no matter how you spin it. Be it positive or negative spin the context does not make it any less weird and unnecessary imo

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"It's weird that you're proud to be black." - Can be easily misconstrued.

Additionally, I'm struggling to grasp how it's unnecessary. After generations of legalized slavery, normalized racism and cultural eradication - it shouldn't be terribly surprising that some form of mending/healing occurs when the persecuted are allowed to finally express themselves and embrace who they are without fear of retaliation after enduring mistreatment.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think you're talking to someone who doesn't know how it feels to be shunned for simply being born as something they cannot change. They won't ever understand. You're wasting your time.

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In this day and age, i'd strongly advise against opening up that can of worms.

https://i.imgur.com/vv6vuIL.jpg

The day that games let my characters have my irl hair is the day I'll die happy. Everytime I've brought it up I've been given "too many polgyons" argument yet I actually designed one for a GW2 suggestion (back when that forum was still open) and they did add it in.... just for the male characters instead. :(

I just, I dunno man. I've seen modders do it. I don't know enough about games to pretend to be an expert, but why not.

The hairs usually look ugly so its probably a waste, dreads like that viking picture is probably the best its gonna look like or else it'll just be a mess. If they gonna make more hairs then let it be more all around usable and not some useless "represent" thing. Not that hard to choose one of the current hairstyles to try and represent you it is still a final fantasy game and not gw2.

Yes, but I think we just need hairstyles that stand out period. Less spiky and basic flat hair designs and more unique ones, preferably with masculine and or feminine qualities added to each one.

I'd rather see varieties of hairstyle inspired by cultures throughout the world instead of getting a massive influx of curly and afro'd hairstyles. Because you know FFXIV's devs will do that and people will start to complain about that then and not having enough of something else xD

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

I was raised to be loud and proud - and I will remain as such.

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And I was raised to ignore people who have to be incredibly obnoxious when announcing themselves. So I guess we are at an impasse. You're not being sassy, you're not being witty. You're just being obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by Puc

Barack Obama, 8 years.

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What about it?

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Originally Posted by Puc

Barack Obama, 8 years.



See that is what I mean by messy, just use one of the long hairstyles (guess it depends on race too) or use "another" method. People do want a hundred types of hairstyles but they obviously arent a high priority to other things.

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I'm not sure what your issue is with having hair styles that have a texture other than bone straight. Like what exactly is the issue with them asking for more options especially considering this is a reasonable, nonstupid request, which is more than I can say for other threads on this forum.

I like how someone merely said they were black, and people came crawling out of the woodwork to call them names, argue with them, and call curly hair ugly.

Really makes you think.

Dang man, folks are just asking for other hairstyles, why is that so bad for people to simply ask that you really have to debate that? How do you know it'd be "messy" or not? Like I literally can't wrap my head around why anyone would be against more options. Is there a reason folks are getting butthurt for others really asking for more representation? Boggles my mind.

I, for one, would love more curly hair options.

Being proud btw is not obnoxious. Why tf would it be?

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I like how someone merely said they were black, and people came crawling out of the woodwork to call them names, argue with them, and call curly hair ugly.

Really makes you think.

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No one called anybody ugly. People are giving their own view points in a civilized manner.

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Originally Posted by Puc

The hairs usually look ugly so its probably a waste, dreads like that viking picture is probably the best its gonna look like or else it'll just be a mess. If they gonna make more hairs then let it be more all around usable and not some useless "represent" thing. Not that hard to choose one of the current hairstyles to try and represent you it is still a final fantasy game and not gw2.

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Bit of silly comment isn’t it, but i get it if the default customisation options of the game represent you then who cares right? the point is there are no options for curly/wavy/messy/afro hair but tons of straight and spiky hairstyles. So to explain in a logic that you’ll understand the current options covered half of what people would eventually like in the game, so now i’m suggesting they introduce the second half of hairstyles that differ from the ones we already have like Curly/wavy/afro/messy options that people who play the game can use for more customisation with there characters. No there isn’t any hairstyles in the game that would allow said customisation and please stop being so defensive and picking out random words from comments like “represent” and using it as a basis for your comment, Also just because the game isn’t GW2 doesn’t mean they can’t add these hairstyles into it that argument makes no sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

No one called anybody ugly. People are giving their own view points in a civilized manner.

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Please learn how to read. I did not say anyone called anyone ugly.

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

I can't have this one (my irl) hairystyle because you personally think it's ugly. Glad you're around here to police the taste.

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I said messy, not ugly. Reading comprehension

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Originally Posted by Garnetiferous

I'm not sure what your issue is with having hair styles that have a texture other than bone straight. Like what exactly is the issue with them asking for more options especially considering this is a reasonable, nonstupid request, which is more than I can say for other threads on this forum.

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Less of an issue for having hairstyles (I like fashioning my char after all) but more about just being realistic in what they are asking for and how unimportant it is.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Dang man, folks are just asking for other hairstyles, why is that so bad for people to simply ask that you really have to debate that? How do you know it'd be "messy" or not? Like I literally can't wrap my head around why anyone would be against more options. Is there a reason folks are getting butthurt for others really asking for more representation? Boggles my mind.

I, for one, would love more curly hair options.

Being proud btw is not obnoxious. Why tf would it be?

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Too true, it’s a perfectly normal request not sure how it could possibly trigger or annoy anyone, i saw a few posts on the FFXIV fan reddit about this and people were downvoting them… like really? A hairstyle type request for a game that’s been out for 8 years now that introduces new hairstyles regularly?

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Originally Posted by Puc

Less of an issue for having hairstyles (I like fashioning my char after all) but more about just being realistic in what they are asking for and how unimportant it is or too pigeon hole it is in idea.

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Yeah but even something that's simple like the female dreadlock style on males would be a start or a wavy hairstyle like that one poster suggested wouldn't be excessive. In the case of the dreadlocks, it's already in the game and would just need to be allowed on males. No one said SE had to do this all at once, we're all (or at least should be) aware that this takes time. And considering that people also ask for hairstyles from certain characters in the game, this is, imo, just as reasonable as that.

WoW started doing a lot better with diversity options. Too bad it did it while laying down on its deathbed.

I don't see any players at JP server (At least in my server) that using afro.

Probably later at new area like Meracydia we will find more NPC using afro and braid hair?

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Originally Posted by Exosapien

Is your entire presence even "nesscary." People are allowed to talk about who they are. There's literally no reason not to, except to appease people who think they have the authority to tell us what to be proud of.

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It is an open forum, they are free to state what they wish as I am. If a discussion opens up awesome, for the most part I thought I was being rather civil about it. Though care to elaborate by what you mean by presence?

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

"It's weird that you're proud to be black." - Can be easily misconstrued.

Additionally, I'm struggling to grasp how it's unnecessary. After generations of legalized slavery, normalized racism and cultural eradication - it shouldn't be terribly surprising that some form of mending/healing occurs when the persecuted are allowed to finally express themselves and embrace who they are without fear of retaliation after enduring mistreatment.

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I guess for me it just boils down sure I am part of a marginalized group, but as I mentioned I really do not see much difference between being proud over an aspect we had no choice or control over. It was 100% a random chance we happened to be born into a marginalized group or say born into money, and letting something you have no control over be an identifying marker is weird to me. Such markers imo detract from the core of a person, I rather be seen as a person based around the merits I have control over, not over things I was just born into.

That is just me though, as mentioned I have family that is loud and proud and they are also at ends with my view. To me it seems overly tribal and to d a degree archaic. Though I get how it can be misconstrued, though that is not my intent and I do not feel my comment in itself should be taken as such though if someone does take it that way they are free to ask me to elaborate like I have, and if they still feel as such that is on them, I cannot change how people choose to view my words.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I like how someone merely said they were black, and people came crawling out of the woodwork to call them names, argue with them, and call curly hair ugly.

Really makes you think.

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I do not think a single person said they were ugly, messy yes and that is a fair opinion some hairstyles do not look messy to some people. For the most part it appears to be a civil discussion. Most the "slide" comments seem to coming from one or two people but their comments have nothing to do with hair, or color of their skin.

Back on topic, I would love a hairstyle like this:


https://imgur.com/6WipH7Q.jpg

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Originally Posted by Soge01

No one called curly hair ugly. People are giving their own view points in a civilized manner.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Please learn how to read. I did not say anyone called anyone ugly.

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Better? :b

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Back on topic, I would love a hairstyle like this:


https://imgur.com/6WipH7Q.jpg

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I want dis! *o*

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/aa...e87229bbd6.jpg

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There are people on these forums that think this is messy lmao. We've got plenty of paper straight hair, I'd love some curls and ringlets mixed in.

Oh please, how ridiculous do you have to be to feel "offended" and uncomfortable with someone from a marginalized group feel proud of who they are? Grow some skin.

I'm all in for more variety, I'm tired of straight or cringe anime-hair. I get that it's part of the aesthetic of the game, but years and years after that I suppose we're past that. Anime hair is ugly as sin, and yet they keep pushing this style, so I don't see why they shouldn't to give us other types of hair that regardless if they are ugly for other people.

It'd be nice to have something other than anime hair.

Dreads would be nice. Lotta cultures in the eastern hemisphere had dreads in some way or another. I think Egypt, India, or the Minoans have the running for the oldest record found depicting them. Remember peeps, it's just matted hair, and everyones hair matts. Just like any other mammal with some kinda fur XD

Isnt there already an afro hairsryle in game? I remember my friends reaction when tgey thought they bought "curly hair" which turned out to be an afro. Iirc its in the Gold Saucer.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Oh please, how ridiculous do you have to be to feel "offended" and uncomfortable with someone from a marginalized group feel proud of who they are? Grow some skin.

I'm all in for more variety, I'm tired of straight or cringe anime-hair. I get that it's part of the aesthetic of the game, but years and years after that I suppose we're past that. Anime hair is ugly as sin, and yet they keep pushing this style, so I don't see why they shouldn't to give us other types of hair that regardless if they are ugly for other people.

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I do not think anyone said they were offended, or uncomfortable I know I did not. I said I found it weird and unnecessary to the request at hand that is all. It is just a differing view and or opinion.

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Originally Posted by JennytheJester

And I was raised to ignore people who have to be incredibly obnoxious when announcing themselves. So I guess we are at an impasse. You're not being sassy, you're not being witty. You're just being obnoxious.

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Didn’t realize saying I’m a black woman is an obnoxious thing now. Or even witty. It’s merely a factual statement.

Love how you threw in the ‘sassy’ quirk in there. How… telling.

Edit; Ultimately, I find it amusing that the mere act of declaring myself and how this particular addition would allow me to better emulate aspects of myself in-game is what triggered this discussion.

Oh I would love that. Don’t have curly hair myself, but my mother is one blessed with very soft very curly hair. Ok she doesn’t play XIV but I know a big chunk of the world has curls so having a bit of fun with curly styles may be really fun.

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Originally Posted by Puc

The hairs usually look ugly so its probably a waste, dreads like that viking picture is probably the best its gonna look like or else it'll just be a mess. If they gonna make more hairs then let it be more all around usable and not some useless "represent" thing. Not that hard to choose one of the current hairstyles to try and represent you it is still a final fantasy game and not gw2.

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Pretty sure you said ugly right there… Anyways instead of being somehow triggered by a simple hairstyle request for a game and dancing around the point by making excuses for why they shouldn’t be implemented, i’d prefer it if you just said you don’t want them in the game period at least that way you’d be being more honest. - _ -

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Originally Posted by Jolaseinde

Pretty sure you said ugly right there… Anyways instead of being somehow triggered by a simple hairstyle request for a game and dancing around the point by making excuses for why they shouldn’t be implemented, i’d prefer it if you just said you don’t want them in the game period at least that way you’d be being more honest. - _ -

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I do apologize. And only to you, Jola. It appears like I caused your thread to spiral and that wasn't my intention. I know it's hard for us to get hairstyles that accurately represent the cultures we've grown up in. And I'll always sympathize with your goal.

This thread needs to be locked.

I see more insult exchanges and passive aggressive hostilities flying back and forth than any real merited discussion. This thread is off topic now and just basically who can fish for likes by insulting each other. The immaturity is disgusting to read.

I think I've seen like, 2-3? games get curly or wavy right, while it looks like a hot mess in almost every other game unless it's scanned or crafted for an important character
I think you're expecting too much of SE, though, just take a look at the reused armours in EW

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I mean that is life people will having differing views and thresholds for what they obnoxious, and or questionable behavior / actions. That said i will agree that the silly and witty comment does not apply to your statement. Though i do get where they are coming from i live with the type that are overly obnoxious about their pride,

I do not think your statement falls in that lines for me personally, but as mentioned everyone has a different threshold, and they are free to feel as such just as you are free to feel a certain way. I still do question it, but I understand where you are coming from though.

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Despite our differing perspectives, I appreciate your civility.

Curly hair that is parted, brushed and untied is "messy". Ok.

Mentioning your ethnicity in a thread about HAIR STYLES is obnoxious and not relevant at all. Ok.

It's funny. I never see any criticism towards guys who mention "I like playing male characters because I'm a guy." Everyone immediately understands the concept of wanting to relate to your character in a role playing game. Weird, huh?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Curly hair that is parted, brushed and untied is "messy". Ok.

Mentioning your ethnicity in a thread about HAIR STYLES is obnoxious and not relevant at all. Ok.

It's funny. I never see any criticism towards guys who mention "I like playing male characters because I'm a guy." Everyone immediately understands the concept of wanting to relate to your character in a role playing game. Weird, huh?

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Double standard. I also don’t get any pushback when I say I play mostly female characters cause I’m a woman. * shrug *

Hair is pretty huge in my respective culture - especially for women because our hair has a unique texture due to our race. So I found it relevant.

Agreed.
Honestly ANY other texture/ hairstype bc right now its either straight or somewhat wavy or spiky borderline mullet
i have very curly tailbone length hair and would really appreciate more diversity (texture types and styles) in the hairstyle departments.
would be really nice. there is a hairstyle megathread. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-Facial-Hair

your elezen is so lovely
sorry to get off topic

more hairstyles! woo!

since this was something i literally thought yesterday and told so too to my roommate:
bald head for female character. i think i'd love that.
not gonna start disclosing what i look like or where the heck i am from.
just that my "at least top20+ real life women with bald head" are without exception black women, and that's he ideal look for bald woman for me when i think about it. you make me wanna cut my "past the butt" length hair.

we have one dreadlock-like hairstyle in this game and it is fem only right?
so, yeah, give us extra or two and give it to guys too! cornrows, dreadlocks, box braid-like hair, and elfknots. all sound like they chould have place and space in on hydaelyn and among it's cultures.

IDK why the OP decided to list "Curly/Wavy/Messy/Afro" and then reiterate that twice more (like, wtf are you even saying? Trying to equate these textures with being "messy"? Cause, there are "messy" hairstyles in this game when you look at the "Anime protag bed head" styles like Saintly and Early to Rise ... so wtf you mean?) but I'm not gonna bother trying to unpack w/e "that" is.

Anyway, Black and would love to have Black hair options. I think Highlanders are the best looking females in this game body wise, but the fact that they don't get the 1 okish looking black hairstyle that's race locked to middies AND their lack of black facial features makes them turn out looking like brown PoC instead of black. More black hair would def do a lot to fix this. (I mean, going by what the murals and Concept Art show, I'm 100% going for Hrothgal when they come and hoping they have shared hairs, so I've prob never gonna try Highlander again. But either way, playing a Viera or Hrothgal that can have good-looking black/ cury hair would be great!)

Being realistic, the only way I see it happening is via the old hairstyle contest. Over the years, the devs have only made non-hair contest hairstyles as either fan service (the NIER raid hairs/ stuff from other FF games like Windcaller or cutter or w/e) or to give people long straight hair cause none of the winners were long hairstyles.

The hairstyle contest had a grand total 3 black hairstyles (The Femroe braids aren't REALLY black but "it'll work")

https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hair..._2015/F_18.jpg
https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hair..._2015/M_18.jpg
https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hair..._2015/F_02.jpg

Given the rate at which they release hair, and the fact that they've only recently started doing non-winners ... we could see them in the next big patch or "not even in 7.0" :/

EDIT- IDK what the person above me is talking about, but Elezen females can be bald. They are the only females who can be bald as it's a racial hairstyle .... not many Elezen Females, and I've never seen 1 use that style, so I guess that may be why most wouldn't know that..