This is getting ridiculous. (Endwalker MSQ and post MSQ spoilers)

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Originally Posted by Jennah

It's not really an excuse - but with more jobs (and therefore more artifact gear), and more races (therefore more models for every piece) - I bet we actually have MORE new gear models in Endwalker than any previous expansion.
Even if it feels like a lot less.

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More of the same models, and way too many capes. Pretty much unusable for tailed races.

Anyway, it was only a matter of time until we started receiving less gear due to a variety of reasons - more races to fit gear to being one of them. You'd think with the increasing success of FFXIV, SE would expand, and their team(s) could get the seemingly much needed resources, to increase the quality of the game, but apparently that isn't the case.

More than anything im disappointed with the choices of re-used stuff, I would love a dyeable version of the Warg gear, Woad gear and Pag'lthan gear

This is something that you should have seen coming from miles aways. Tanks, caster, ranged and melee are all sharing the same style with themselves.

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

More than anything im disappointed with the choices of re-used stuff, I would love a dyeable version of the Warg gear, Woad gear and Pag'lthan gear

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Who said anything about dyeable? As the OP states, some of the stuff they reused wasn't even dyeable. :p

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Originally Posted by SgtPepperUK

My 2 gil.

Just think for a moment how many gear sets there are, and not just from dungeons but crafting, raids, etc. And that there will be at least 5 variations for each based on role.

The fact the art team can come up with any new designs at all is approaching miracle stage.

I don't see it as an issue, especially as glamours are a thing and widely used.

My RDM has pretty much overwritten any gear with the level 70 AF appearance for the last 4 years, so never mattered what the gear originally looks like to me.

Though, the new 90 RDM AF is great so I may be heading towards setting that up as a glamour plate now :)

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Are you for real? There lots of things they can do. Like try difents ff14/dragon quest gear and make something like it.or just playingly somewhat copy from different games/anime/history looks. He bearly got Japanese looking sets,here you go. Or just be more lazy and role swap the sets.

I suppose the focus was nearly entirely set to the MSQ... reused models means that the 3D artists were doing something else with their time... Not that I think if it's justifiable or not, but it feels that is the only plausible reason fir it. As to note, the quality of the MSQ cutscenes, from an animation and asset point of view, is superior than the previous expacs.

On that note, I think Endwalker might've been the xpac launched with the least amount of "other" stuff like glams and whatnot, not any conclusive data, but it feels that way compared to ShB. Hopefully the patch that will unlock the raids will also add more stuff in that realm.

But one thing that I do agree was with the choice of reused sets through the leveling. We get Bonewicca and that other one, that were already dyeable... and Neo Ishgardian. They could've given older sets that aren't dyeable yet.

Oh no reuse gear the world coming to end .

They could at least make them dyeable...

Regardless, I prefer my Glams over 90% of gear drops.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

He bearly got Japanese looking sets,here you go.

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Possibly but there could be a reason for that, such as a plan for a future zone where such a style will be implemented.

I love Endwalker but my god they used the exact same set basically for both healer and casters for the new tomeset! and it looks god awful for male character players!

I can't say I'm too bothered, but I do wish they'd reused different sets, and made them dyeable.

The reused Neo-Ishgard could at least have been swapped around a bit, caster on maiming, healing on aiming, that sort of thing.

I'm still waiting for them to reuse the Sohm Al dungeon gear too, I want versions of those comfy looking tops that I can dye.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

Yeah, gotta admit it's disappointing to see gear reused over and over again :/

And level 89 dungeon doesn't even have an armor set is what the heck man......................

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Cuz the level 89 set is the AF gear and you get it in sharlayan

Expect less unique dungeon sets with the glamour dressser limitations. Makes sense to just focus on the AF sets and themed sets around raid encounters.

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Originally Posted by SgtPepperUK

Possibly but there could be a reason for that, such as a plan for a future zone where such a style will be implemented.

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Some one did not played SB?

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Originally Posted by Phaty

Cuz the level 89 set is the AF gear and you get it in sharlayan

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Then don't do a dungeon if you don't going to make it drop gear.non need this trash.

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Originally Posted by Phaty

Expect less unique dungeon sets with the glamour dressser limitations. Makes sense to just focus on the AF sets and themed sets around raid encounters.

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So we to expect to pay less as well? Why people ok paying the same for less?

Company produces the best expansion ever created for an mmo and these are the "complaints" people have. Zenos: Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

Some one did not played SB?

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I did. It was the expansion that gave us Samurai in robes as opposed to the type of armours we typically associate with Samurai (such as Tenzen's armour).

With games like this, not everything is 1:1 real world influence. Old Sharlayan has very ancient Greek vibes and terminology but the fashions are more Oxford University than the Agora.

I was disappointed but not enough to make a topic about it. I just hope this isn't what they'll be making into the norm going forward. We've gradually become more and more at peace with the cuts they give, so I'm curious to if this will be the cut next. First the reduction in dungeons, now a reduction in new gear. Though I suppose this did end another worry of where I was going to put all that new potential glamour gear, when I'm at the cap currently.

Personally too early to tell, so I'm not fully up in arms about this. Dyeables and shifting some of the current reskins to other jobs would've been a great idea too, someone mentioned earlier. Would've loved that pvp MNK set on my DRG.

Tldr; the situation is unfortunate but I don't find myself unable to be understanding to it, so long as we aren't cementing this as the new thing we'll do without this expansion.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Company produces the best expansion ever created for an mmo and these are the "complaints" people have. Zenos: Pathetic.

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Whoa whoa whoa...slow down there. Best ever? Come now...that's going a bit too far. And if you are talking about our current xpac, I HIGHLY disagree. The previous one was fantastic but this one is my least enjoyed bit of content to date. I enjoyed the last few WoW expansions better than this one here.

Regardless, even if you were talking about the previous expansion(the best FFXIV expansion by far), I'd still not grant you it being the best of any mmo in history.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Company produces the best expansion ever created for an mmo and these are the "complaints" people have. Zenos: Pathetic.

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Ever?based on what? I say 2.0 was a stronger one. in the past WOW did better. The strong thing for ff14 ew is the story if you are willing to over look it's problems.to me (and big part of players) end walking (game) is glam. There not much of new one at all. Not much from lvl or post game (end game). Not from events or even cash shop. Then there all the connection problems. So yes people voice what they don't like,just as yoshi Sayed he want in the past. You are more Holi that crying yoshi?

I expected to see some Ivalice gear finally in dyeable version. But nope, again they just re-reused stuff.

Asset reuse has been a thing since Heavensward.

I for one appreciate reusing older models. Less of a hassle on my inventory and glamour dresser.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Asset reuse has been a thing since Heavensward.

I for one appreciate reusing older models. Less of a hassle on my inventory and glamour dresser.

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That because you don't care for glamour but think if next they cut the content you do care for. And what they reused is not even that old. There older sets that never was reused that they at last can do.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

That because you don't care for glamour but think if next they cut the content you do care for. And what they reused is not even that old. There older sets that never was reused that they at last can do.

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I care for glamour contrary to your own assumption - I don't think you're in any position to assume what I do and don't care about. My statement merely implies there's just less of a need for me to hoard items needlessly because they elected to go with the route of bloating the game with unique assets. I'd much rather they pour that creativeness elsewhere to be frank. Reusing assets is just a key component of development. It just allows them to maintain deadlines. building everything would simply take too long if they didn't reuse assets. Development is a finite resource contrary to what many people seemingly believe. A lot of these models are reused from both HW/SB, most especially of the battle crafted variant. They'll simply get around to reusing many of the other models from HW and ARR in due course. There's already a good variety.

I feel like your last point was trying to make argument for argument sake, taking into account (once again) that just as many of these gearsets date back as far as 3.0

If they are gonna reuse things, then they should rotate the sets by role. Or better yet, lift gear restrictions. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I care for glamour contrary to your own assumption - I don't think you're in any position to assume what I do and don't care about. My statement merely implies there's just less of a need for me to hoard items needlessly because they elected to go with the route of bloating the game with unique assets. I'd much rather they pour that creativeness elsewhere to be frank. Reusing assets is just a key component of development. It just allows them to maintain deadlines. building everything would simply take too long if they didn't reuse assets. Development is a finite resource contrary to what many people seemingly believe. A lot of these models are reused from both HW/SB, most especially of the battle crafted variant. They'll simply get around to reusing many of the other models from HW and ARR in due course. There's already a good variety.

I feel like your last point was trying to make argument for argument sake, taking into account (once again) that just as many of these gearsets date back as far as 3.0

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Clearly you don't care much for glams of you did it was not ok for you.buy again just think how you feel when they cut the things you do care for. Don't take it wrong it's totally fine to not care for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I care for glamour contrary to your own assumption - I don't think you're in any position to assume what I do and don't care about. My statement merely implies there's just less of a need for me to hoard items needlessly because they elected to go with the route of bloating the game with unique assets. I'd much rather they pour that creativeness elsewhere to be frank. Reusing assets is just a key component of development. It just allows them to maintain deadlines. building everything would simply take too long if they didn't reuse assets. Development is a finite resource contrary to what many people seemingly believe. A lot of these models are reused from both HW/SB, most especially of the battle crafted variant. They'll simply get around to reusing many of the other models from HW and ARR in due course. There's already a good variety.

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It’s the fact that they were able to produce far more back in HW and SB when they hadn’t made nearly as much money as they are now. Again, as much as i would like more unique sets, i’m semi-okay with them reusing previous sets if they at least MAKE THEM DYABLE. But they literally couldn’t even do that. Couldn’t even role swap them either. There’s no excuse for this development resources my ass lmao. When the expansion 4 years ago could give us more unique gear than this expansion with the most players and money made.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Company produces the best expansion ever created for an mmo and these are the "complaints" people have. Zenos: Pathetic.

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First of all this is kind of subjective if you mean story wise. Personally i didn’t enjoy the story very much and i thought it was a huge step down from ShB. Content wise? Well that’s what we’re talking about in here and there’s a looot of problems with just how much they reused. Where at this point it isn’t only glams but literally dungeon themes. On top of them already cutting dungeons in ShB, we keep getting less and less every expansion instead of more when in reality it should be the opposite for what we’re paying.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

Clearly you don't care much for glams of you did it was not ok for you.buy again just think how you feel when they cut the things you do care for. Don't take it wrong it's totally fine to not care for glamour.

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Oh dear. No I'm just not fussed because asset reuse has been a thing since the first expansion, so there was no precedent for me to suspect otherwise. Ergo, no need for me to be disappointed. I feel like if people elected to look at the past several expansions for this game then they would realise that it has always been the case.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s the fact that they were able to produce far more back in HW and SB when they hadn’t made nearly as much money as they are now. Again, as much as i would like more unique sets, i’m semi-okay with them reusing previous sets if they at least MAKE THEM DYABLE. But they literally couldn’t even do that. Couldn’t even role swap them either. There’s no excuse for this development resources my ass lmao. When the expansion 4 years ago could give us more unique gear than this expansion with the most players and money made.

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Sure I'll give you a cookie on the basis of money, but it isn't just as simple a solution as to "just throw more money at it lul" - I'm going to disagree quite heavily on HW/SB having as much in terms of assets, simply because HW reused as many assets in not only from ARR, but from it's own expansion in the case of many crafted items, in fact items reused in the self-same patch no less. Similarly was the case with Stormblood, and Shadowbringers even. That isn't even taking into account the simply fact they have more artefact gear to support.

[QUOTE=Kaurhz;5749974]Oh dear. No I'm just not fussed because asset reuse has been a thing since the first expansion, so there was no precedent for me to suspect otherwise. Ergo, no need for me to be disappointed. I feel like if people elected to look at the past several expansions for this game then they would realise that it has always been the case.

O fear no one angry just disappointed..yes there was some reuse but not to such extend. What more were we see the cut contents investment go? They was cutting dungeon each expansion.then deep dungeons. What other aspect we see getting more?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Oh dear. No I'm just not fussed because asset reuse has been a thing since the first expansion, so there was no precedent for me to suspect otherwise. Ergo, no need for me to be disappointed. I feel like if people elected to look at the past several expansions for this game then they would realise that it has always been the case.


Sure I'll give you a cookie on the basis of money, but it isn't just as simple a solution as to "just throw more money at it lul" - I'm going to disagree quite heavily on HW/SB having as much in terms of assets, simply because HW reused as many assets in not only from ARR, but from it's own expansion in the case of many crafted items, in fact items reused in the self-same patch no less. Similarly was the case with Stormblood, and Shadowbringers even. That isn't even taking into account the simply fact they have more artefact gear to support.

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You realize that the artifact gear for the starter levels of reaper and sage and level 80 are quite literally reused gear that aren’t even made dyable right? How much more effort is that unless you just mean the ONE new set for jobs at level 90. That isn’t really an excuse though. That’s like people giving that excuse as to why dnc and gnb were missing so many weapons despite sam and rdm having almost double the previous expansion when they were new.In HW and SB yes they reused gear, but it wasn’t nearly to the extent of this expansion. Where every single new crafter set except for 1 is reused, and where they’re literally now reusing dungeon music lmao.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

O fear no one angry just disappointed..yes there was some reuse but not to such extend. What more were we see the cut contents investment go? They was cutting dungeon each expansion.then deep dungeons. What other aspect we see getting more?

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I feel like people making this statement have only looked selectively at their evidence and then tried to apply that to the entire expansion when it doesn't work like that. Every single expansion in terms of assets has seen about the same amount of recycled assets. We saw that content shifted elsewhere, but I suppose they pulled Dalriada, Castrum Lacus, and the Normal/Savage encounters of the large scale Delubrum Reginae and Firmament appear out of thin air. Besides, they've already admitted that discontinuing Deep Dungeon was a mistake, so I suppose we'll see that reappear again.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

You realize that the artifact gear for the starter levels of reaper and sage and level 80 are quite literally reused gear that aren’t even made dyable right? How much more effort is that unless you just mean the ONE new set for jobs at level 90. That isn’t really an excuse though. That’s like people giving that excuse as to why dnc and gnb were missing so many weapons despite sam and rdm having almost double the previous expansion when they were new.In HW and SB yes they reused gear, but it wasn’t nearly to the extent of this expansion. Where every single new crafter set except for 1 is reused, and where they’re literally now reusing dungeon music lmao.

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No I am not inferring the starter sets, but yes I am referring to their Level 90 counterparts, between SB and EW they've needed to support more jobs, and to be quite frank as much effort goes into those AF gears as to what goes into the variety, a majority of caster/healer gear is alike, similarly as is the case between maiming/fending, and in other cases scouting/aiming/striking. They didn't exactly build all those ground up, many of them are just exactly the same asset barring the fact they're applied to a different role/class. See Warg/Sharlayan for example.

Even amongst the crafted variant of gear, the same amount has been reused:
Rainbow > Came from Pilgrim (L50)
Holy (53-56) > Tam-Tara/ Stone Vigil/Amdapor/Palace/Halatali (50)
Felt (Lv58) > Dusk Vigil (Lv51)
Adamantite/Felt (60) > Gear awarded in Lv50 MSQ/GC (Lorica/Gloam)
I160 Crafted > Unique
i180 > Boagatyr/Chivalric (50/160)
Sky Pirate > Unique
Eikon (220) > Unique
i250 > Unique

I can assure you every other expansion follows this rough trend. Want me to point those out too for you? I think you misremember or underestimate just how much was reused in the past.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I feel like people making this statement have only looked selectively at their evidence and then tried to apply that to the entire expansion when it doesn't work like that. Every single expansion in terms of assets has seen about the same amount of recycled assets. We saw that content shifted elsewhere, but I suppose they pulled Dalriada, Castrum Lacus, and the Normal/Savage encounters of the large scale Delubrum Reginae and Firmament appear out of thin air. Besides, they've already admitted that discontinuing Deep Dungeon was a mistake, so I suppose we'll see that reappear again.


No I am not inferring the starter sets, but yes I am referring to their Level 90 counterparts, between SB and EW they've needed to support more jobs, and to be quite frank as much effort goes into those AF gears as to what goes into the variety, a majority of caster/healer gear is alike, similarly as is the case between maiming/fending, and in other cases scouting/aiming/striking. They didn't exactly build all those ground up, many of them are just exactly the same asset barring the fact they're applied to a different role/class. See Warg/Sharlayan for example.

Even amongst the crafted variant of gear, the same amount has been reused:
Rainbow > Came from Pilgrim (L50)
Holy (53-56) > Tam-Tara/ Stone Vigil/Amdapor/Palace/Halatali (50)
Felt (Lv58) > Dusk Vigil (Lv51)
Adamantite/Felt (60) > Gear awarded in Lv50 MSQ/GC (Lorica/Gloam)
I160 Crafted > Unique
i180 > Boagatyr/Chivalric (50/160)
Sky Pirate > Unique
Eikon (220) > Unique
i250 > Unique

I can assure you every other expansion follows this rough trend. Want me to point those out too for you? I think you misremember or underestimate just how much was reused in the past.

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No i don’t underestimate, but i do know past expansions didn’t have an entire dungeon missing out on left side gear. This expansion does. We can argue the excuse of it’s because we get af gear at 89 but that really doesn’t matter, in that case give 565 dungeon gear to one of the expert dungeons or even another 560 set with different substats. Fact is we are getting less this expansion already than other expansions, and you also seek to be ignoring my statement about the reusing of dungeon themes. They added 3 new jobs in HW and the reusing wasn’t nearly as bad now. Same in SB with the 2 extra jobs. However, it really shouldn’t be an issue as with more money and then seeing how popular the game is getting, that should be an incentive to hire more people. Is it as easy as just picking and choosing? No. But they’ve had 4-6 years to do so. There’s no excuse, and trying to cover up for them is just making matters worse in the end. Nothing is ever going to change if people like you keep trying to advocate for them or defend them for bad practice.

Also, to add onto the whole ShB content thing, yes we got bozja and dalriada etc, but we only haf two overall zones. Eureka gave us 4 and also gave us BA and bunny fates. ShB had a lot of missing content for example, gnb and dnc got 0 primal weapons on release and only 2 overall the entire expanson in later patches, whereas sam and rdm got all primal weapons for level 50,60,AND 70. Voice acting was missing from both alli raids and the 8 man trial series. Something that SB gave us. I can go on and on about what we lost in shb and this was pre covid. Stop giving excuses and trying to defend blatant content loss.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is getting ridiculous. (Endwalker MSQ and post MSQ spoilers)
i had assumed with all the recent money making and player influx SE has had, we'd be seeing improvements on this, however it seems to have gotten beyond worse.

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Player influx did not happen until a few months before expansion launched. This would not have caused the devs to redesign things based on an influx in profit. If you were working on a project with a deadline and you received a large amount of orders for this product, you would not suddenly push the deadline back to redo already completed parts of the project using these profits specially if it is just aesthetics. This point is kind of stupid.

Not white knighting. I would have loved to see new gear sets but the reasoning for your complaint is not logical.

Edit: Shadowbringers reused a lot of armor sets as well if I am not mistaken.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

No i don’t underestimate, but i do know past expansions didn’t have an entire dungeon missing out on left side gear. This expansion does. We can argue the excuse of it’s because we get af gear at 89 but that really doesn’t matter, in that case give 565 dungeon gear to one of the expert dungeons or even another 560 set with different substats. Fact is we are getting less this expansion already than other expansions, and you also seek to be ignoring my statement about the reusing of dungeon themes. They added 3 new jobs in HW and the reusing wasn’t nearly as bad now. Same in SB with the 2 extra jobs. However, it really shouldn’t be an issue as with more money and then seeing how popular the game is getting, that should be an incentive to hire more people. Is it as easy as just picking and choosing? No. But they’ve had 4-6 years to do so. There’s no excuse, and trying to cover up for them is just making matters worse in the end. Nothing is ever going to change if people like you keep trying to advocate for them or defend them for bad practice.

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Yes it does, and well done for pointing out why it does have an entire left side set missing. Probably because I didn't necessarily disagree with the point of reused music, nor do I necessarily find it relevant to the topic, but sure I do agree with the point all the same - I can disagree, and agree on parts of what you say, just thought that was obvious, to be frank.

I'm sorry but extend your line of thinking to expand a little. more zones =/= more content. Bozja has a lot more content to offer than what Eureka did. You'll need to make a more compelling argument here than just bunny FATEs, and BA, taking into account we got individual confrontations, critical engagements, 2 instances similar to BA and a 2 tiered difficulty of Delubrum Reginae to boot, on top of the simple fact we saw Ishgard Restoration, which was a refreshing experience being able to see the housing zone built first hand as opposed to the end produce, and then Ocean Fishing. Now if you want to argue that some of this content should not have come at the expense of deep dungeon for example (due to replayability) then I'd be inclined to agree with you completely. But to ignore the content where those resources has been put into is completely disingenuous.

I don't necessarily disagree with you when the issue of raid encounter voice acting is concerned, but to be quite frank in the grand scheme of things we had as much voice acting in ShB as we did in SB, and similarly as much voice acting in EW as we did with SB or ShB. Not taking into account they'll likely voice act the raid series this time around (I'll be surprised and disappointed if they don't)

I'm not covering up anything, I just simply disagree with the fact recycled gear is more of an issue now than it has been in previous expansion. As per the previous post, the significant purge in players was not really a thing prior to the whole past few months. You don't just change budget, and the project on that much of a whim. On the note of primal weapons I thought it was clear that it was just someone doing it in their spare time? I recall seeing this somewhere. If this were the case they probably shouldn't even exist to begin with if it can't be done consistently within work hours.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Player influx did not happen until a few months before expansion launched. This would not have caused the devs to redesign things based on an influx in profit. If you were working on a project with a deadline and you received a large amount of orders for this product, you would not suddenly push the deadline back to redo already completed parts of the project using these profits specially if it is just aesthetics. This point is kind of stupid.

Not white knighting. I would have loved to see new gear sets but the reasoning for your complaint is not logical.

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S-E has been seeing increased success and higher player counts since Stormblood, but that only seemed to translate into better cutscenes and storytelling in Shadowbringers and more cut content. Shadowbringers brought in even more players which has resulted in better cutscenes and less armor. You're right that it's too soon to tell what impact the surge of players over the last couple of months will have on development, but given the way things have gone I would just expect them to pocket the money.

Ideally I'd like to see every level 90 dungeon going forward have a unique set of dyable armor. Since they've cut back to only one dungeon a patch it seems like a reasonable goal to me, but in reality I think we'll only see one or two new armor models from dungeons for the entirety of this expansion. Hopefully the next crafted sets are new models, if they're not that would be a big step backwards and indicative of what's to come.

I hope they're not just running out of ideas when it comes to this stuff.

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Originally Posted by FrogDog

It wasn't a few things. It was every crafted gear set except one. It was every dungeon set except two and we got one less dungeon set this expansion to boot. This is the third time that Shire gear has been used and it wasn't even role swapped. If they reused gear and role swapped it (as they did a few times in Stormblood) that would be one thing, but this is just giving us the same exact thing, some of it not even being that old.

Anybody raising an issue with this is acting like it's the end of the world? What kind of copium are you smoking?

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Copium? Ok. You see, I'm not you. I don't make a fit about something small into something big. There are many different styles of clothing/armor in FFXIV and you are mad because they re-used some sets and it's an "Issue" because not every set is unique and different.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Copium? Ok. You see, I'm not you. I don't make a fit about something small into something big. There are many different styles of clothing/armor in FFXIV and you are mad because they re-used some sets and it's an "Issue" because not every set is unique and different.

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There you go with those words "small" and "some" again.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

I think the part I most found ridiculous of the gear-reuse is the fact we got Neo Ishgard recolor. Neo Ishgard was literally last expac, so it's not some gear somewhere that was recolored for use that we haven't seen a while, but literally the previous expac, why?

Now if they let us have the Plague Bringer set and Daring Duelist set and brought it back dyable I'd have been grateful.

But no, we got previous expac gear.

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What used neo ishgard gear?

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Originally Posted by Imora

What used neo ishgard gear?

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The level 88 crafted gear is neo ishgard. It's really funny because you can see neo ishgard on the market board, then look up 5-6 places and there's the identical set.