Will Beastmaster appear in any Endwalker content patches?

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Originally Posted by Raikai

It would be cool. If feel if there's any job worth exploring being "Limited" is BST.

They can literally create a new pokemon-esque minigame with pet combat, and tournaments with them as well.

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They can also do that without locking it behind a separate grind that would destroy the potential for a real and highly engaging job.

But I guess BST should just be honored to have been volunteered for sacrifice for the next mostly unrelated mini-game?

(At least BLU kept such far more integral, and it's still a waste of a job, in favor of a new flavor of acquisition grind and a bit of unique but highly grind-gated side-content.)

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

This seems to be a common theme among people who are really invested into limited blue mage, it’s like the crab bucket analogy where they want to drag others into the bucket with them, despite the fact that being outside the bucket is better.

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...Or some people just genuinely like current Blue Mage content and want to see it expanded with newer expansions and updates, such as with a set of Shadowbringer instance logs and unlockable spells among other things, which seems likely to happen sometime after Endwalker's release. Just because you don't personally like it doesn't mean that someone else is wrong for not liking it; not everyone likes the same jobs and there's plenty of other content for you as well. I don't personally like certain pieces of optional content in the game, but that alone doesn't mean that they're necessarily bad if other people enjoy them.

You're of course welcome to share job feedback, which the game developers and designers also encourage, but you don't need to attack other players directly. And again, if you really hate the idea of playing with a Blue Mage during certain Party Finder content, then make the party yourself and prevent that job from joining; harassing other players isn't really called for though.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I do not believe that you are joining EX farm parties on your datacenter as a blue mage.

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I don't usually play as Blue Mage in extreme or other farming content, but I occasionally have or witnessed others doing it; unless the party leader prevents the job from joining in the first place, there's usually not a problem with it.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

In any case, the fact remains that limited jobs along with the other controversial decisions made during that time period were some of the biggest stains in the history of this game besides 1.0.

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This isn't an objective fact; it's a subjective opinion. You're certainly entitled to that subjective opinion and your own personal set of gameplay preferences, but somebody else isn't wrong for say preferring the flexibility with how spells are acquired and selected between for multiple role layouts.

I sure hope not. Limited Jobs should have no place in the game's future.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

They can also do that without locking it behind a separate grind that would destroy the potential for a real and highly engaging job.

But I guess BST should just be honored to have been volunteered for sacrifice for the next mostly unrelated mini-game?

(At least BLU kept such far more integral, and it's still a waste of a job, in favor of a new flavor of acquisition grind and a bit of unique but highly grind-gated side-content.)

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But then, if your point is to advocate for BST to be within the main job cast, can they ever go forward with a job full invested in controlling 2 entities (player and pets) without running into many of the problems that plagued SMN (and SCH by some extent) across the expansions? Can the game code support a smooth job based and focused on that?

Or can they approach the concept of a Beastmaster in a faux-esque fashion, like it appears to be Reaper's "pet" case, or it wouldn't feel like it should? - again, the aspect of micromanaging multiple actors in combat is what mostly defines a pet class/job/profession... at least that's how I experienced in other MMORPGS.

*Questions not meant to be snarky, but truly questioning their structure in regards of receiving this kind of job for the "competitive" play.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

But then, if your point is to advocate for BST to be within the main job cast, can they ever go forward with a job full invested in controlling 2 entities (player and pets) without running into many of the problems that plagued SMN (and SCH by some extent) across the expansions? Can the game code support a smooth job based and focused on that?

Or can they approach the concept of a Beastmaster in a faux-esque fashion, like it appears to be Reaper's "pet" case, or it wouldn't feel like it should? - again, the aspect of micromanaging multiple actors in combat is what mostly defines a pet class/job/profession... at least that's how I experienced in other MMORPGS.

*Questions not meant to be snarky, but truly questioning their structure in regards of receiving this kind of job for the "competitive" play.

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How would shackling side-content to a faux-job's (i.e., one that must actually be able to act in the open world in a real-time manner) avoid the issue of pet responsiveness, though? Either it ends up truly just pet battles, in which case there isn't the barest excuse for gating it behind job levels, or XIV needs to learn how to handle player-controlled AI units regardless.

The larger question even then, however, is whether they have reason to. As you've said Summoners were pet classes, but such has since been avoided outright, making them now standard casters with an appended ornamental minion. Is everyone happy with that? If not, that's a reason to actual fix player-controlled AI response procedures. Squadrons? Might we want to extend those? Trusts? Might we want to be able to manipulate them? Those, too, would involve be player-controlled AI response procedures. Are they not lucrative enough areas to justify actually trying to fix what's been left as dog-droppings? I'd argue they are, even prior to BST entering the equation.

Yes, there is certainly a way for BST to be work as a single unit with the pet only hanging idle until given a caster-melee-range action by which to teleport them to the caster's or target's location and perform an otherwise generic combat action. But it would be painfully wasteful of the thematic space.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

How would shackling side-content to a faux-job's (i.e., one that must actually be able to act in the open world in a real-time manner) avoid the issue of pet responsiveness, though? Either it ends up truly just pet battles, in which case there isn't the barest excuse for gating it behind job levels, or XIV needs to learn how to handle player-controlled AI units regardless.

The larger question even then, however, is whether they have reason to. As you've said Summoners were pet classes, but such has since been avoided outright, making them now standard casters with an appended ornamental minion. Is everyone happy with that? If not, that's a reason to actual fix player-controlled AI response procedures. Squadrons? Might we want to extend those? Trusts? Might we want to be able to manipulate them? Those, too, would involve be player-controlled AI response procedures. Are they not lucrative enough areas to justify actually trying to fix what's been left as dog-droppings? I'd argue they are, even prior to BST entering the equation.

Yes, there is certainly a way for BST to be work as a single unit with the pet only hanging idle until given a caster-melee-range action by which to teleport them to the caster's or target's location and perform an otherwise generic combat action. But it would be painfully wasteful of the thematic space.

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I see it just being the thematic platform to implement pet battles. They seem to be more invested in you actually feeling the job's "fantasy" rather than adapting it to the main cast's limitations, hence why we have BLU as it is nowadays.

Said that, I just embrace what the game's platform seems to allow nowadays to envision what I'd like to be implemented.. That's why I'm not mad with (most of) BLU's implementation, or the idea of a Limited Job allowing a very distinct way of playing a job, and that's why I feel that BST could only come to fruition behind it.

I would really enjoy seeing BST in the main cast, but even if we all acknowledge that the AI/code/combat engine needs an update, there's no hint whatsoever that they plan to invest on this, sadly.

My stance on Limited Jobs is that I like it, and how it works. What I really dislike about it is the lack of replayability of the place you get as its "endgame".

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I see it just being the thematic platform to implement pet battles.

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But whhyyy? Why would you use a job as just a barrier to entry to pet battles?

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They seem to be more invested in you actually feeling the job's "fantasy" rather than adapting it to the main cast's limitations, hence why we have BLU as it is nowadays.

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And what part of those "limitations" necessitated instead that BLU play on a barren set of nonintegral CDs popped on refresh after its Moon Flute opener?

BLU is a "job" that simply has additional grinds attached to it and somehow ends up with a far worse than average playflow for its troubles. Don't get me wrong; the fact that it pulls use out of old content is brilliant, but there was no need for it to end up "limited" for having done so. The very same internal balance (between the various spells in its available kit) that would, if actually considered instead of given over solely to the grind of vertical progression, have given it actual playflow could have made it a balanced class, taxed with added effort for its added versatility. The problem is that the "job" was an afterthought to a means to somewhat reinvigorate old content, and it didn't need to be. It could as have easily been an "unlimited" job, perhaps even paving the way for a little choice an further identity among those that came before, and instead we got this merely incidental mush.

I don't want to see that repeated, which is why I am not happy to "just embrace what the game's platform seems to allow nowadays." It's low-effort shite that wastes considerable opportunities and each further precedent down that path is, I feel, unhealthy for the game's long-term success.

What they are doing with SMN, may open the door for BST due to the girth of monsters. I knew, they would never release BST, until they solved the egi issue.

BST may be the melee version of SMN.

As far as adding a new limited job, BST is the likeliest one. They added a significant amount of lore and NPCs to represent the job and how it plays. That BST tames beasts (shocker, I know) to fight alongside, while buffing and healing them in battle. As seen from many BSTs in Bozja and Zadnor. So it wouldn't work like SMN, MCH or Reaper. Of course the NPCs are missing mechanics needed for an actual job like how the pets will work and where the versatility of the job comes from as required for a limited job. There's a lot unknowns.

Biggest unknown is SE's approach to the concept. They've been very quiet about the idea for a while now and haven't given much direct information since BLU first came out pre-ShB. Here's hoping after the embargo lifts, some interviewers will ask Yoshi-P some content-related questions and bring the topic up.

Oh and I'm definitely in favor of adding more limited jobs. Random BLU and BST (PUP too, because of course) "mains" running out of the woodwork to voice their discomfort notwithstanding.

Think it will be all a matter on whether the devs can catch back up enough with general content after the damage covid where des feel they can start work on more additional content. Sooo we'll just need to wait and see.

Personally, I think also there's the potential for a new Gold Saucer event between two or more players with Beastmaster as a new limited job, something like short Pokémon battle tournaments... but not with exactly with the same gameplay implementation of course.

Personally, I thought they were going to release it this expansion but maybe getting pushed back because of covid and such as well as content with it and blu since blu got even less content this xpac. I understand they worry about the "vision of the job" with blu and bst and how they'd work well together from an interview he had, however I feel like job identity is sometimes all over the place anyways. Scholar has a few identities in the first place, AST keeps floating between a celestial type thing and time mage, sometimes getting rid of time magic and changing it etc. DRK has never been a tank really, often high DPS and sacrificing HP for damage, usually with darkness. To me, RDM isn't really a melee, just a poorly designed job in older Final fantasy games that tried living up to "jack of all trades" and since mana was scarce plus they didn't have access to high rank magic spells, you would sometimes just melee. However, it was weaker than every melee job. They've been a really mediocre late game job in most FF games. However, you melee'd with even a black mage and a white mage too quite often in those old games so..

Honestly, one thing I'd like them to do is have multiple job stones for BLU and BST, treat half of their job as a "unlimited" job with one stone but also uses some of the skills they had while limited for their identity, but actually balanced as a real job, then when you use the other job stone, they go back to being limited. That way they don't have to take anything away from a BST/BLU limited job content and mini-game type stuff, but also appease the people who want them as a real job in content as well. Would it be more work? Sure. However, I don't think making the jobs unlimited should take away from the limited job "content" and anything they may want to do in the future. Just have to take the most iconic spells and balanced them out/ create a rotation or playstyle out of it like they've done for several other jobs already.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Hopefully never. Limited jobs are a waste of resources. I would vastly prefer getting 3 normal jobs that I can use in current content at the start of each expac as opposed to 2 and one that can only be used in content I've already beaten.

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Well instead you're just getting 2 normal jobs... so why not get that third limited instead of nothing at all?

Providing they find away to let all limited jobs share content and pool most of their resources, then it wouldn't be an issue.
Limited jobs are another form of content, like PVP, Crafting or Gathering. The former has regular updates and seasons, and the latter has Diadem, Restoration, etc. Why can't we have other forms of content in a themepark MMO?
Limited jobs provide this, while reusing content, battle content, to create something new. BLU has given us an entirely new format of raiding, without needing to add in any additional content. If anyone is thinking battle content is getting stale, repetitive and too 'balanced', well BLU and other potential limited jobs is the answer to that.

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Originally Posted by Dralonis

Honestly, one thing I'd like them to do is have multiple job stones for BLU and BST, treat half of their job as a "unlimited" job with one stone but also uses some of the skills they had while limited for their identity, but actually balanced as a real job, then when you use the other job stone, they go back to being limited. That way they don't have to take anything away from a BST/BLU limited job content and mini-game type stuff, but also appease the people who want them as a real job in content as well. Would it be more work? Sure. However, I don't think making the jobs unlimited should take away from the limited job "content" and anything they may want to do in the future. Just have to take the most iconic spells and balanced them out/ create a rotation or playstyle out of it like they've done for several other jobs already.

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Yes please.

Myself and others against limited jobs have been asking for this or something similar since the blu announcement. That this type of side content was a good direction to go in but using jobs as the delivery method was the wrong path to take.

Well, not sure how BST would play as a limited job. BLU learns spells and breaks a few older content. BSTs would be severely limited to overworld enemies. They'd have to introduce a Pokemon style system where they can fight, capture, and train their pets in an arena. As the pets grow stronger they can do harder content to capture even stronger enemies from dungeons/raids.

Luckily they do have a system in place they could take from, and that is the chocobo companion. While the chocobo is far more grindy to get to max, pets shouldn't need to take that long.

Having BST a limited job would stink, but it would breathe some life back to BLU for a while since BLU content has a FOMO if you don't get in on it while it's fresh.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

Well, not sure how BST would play as a limited job. BLU learns spells and breaks a few older content. BSTs would be severely limited to overworld enemies. They'd have to introduce a Pokemon style system where they can fight, capture, and train their pets in an arena. As the pets grow stronger they can do harder content to capture even stronger enemies from dungeons/raids.

Luckily they do have a system in place they could take from, and that is the chocobo companion. While the chocobo is far more grindy to get to max, pets shouldn't need to take that long.

Having BST a limited job would stink, but it would breathe some life back to BLU for a while since BLU content has a FOMO if you don't get in on it while it's fresh.

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Exactly this. BST should essentially be an expansion of the Companion system.
The BST job itself would be able to tame certain overworld enemies to add to your Companion roster. BST would be able to take those into instanced duties as a limited job, and have various skills that supported and instructed the Companion.
Meanwhile, you would be able to use any of those tamed creatures as your companion, when playing as any other job, just like the Company Chocobo.
The Chocobo would likely stay as the 'all-rounder' companion that can fulfil any role, with tamed creatures fitting more neatly into exclusive paradigms, like tank/healer/dps, and broken down further into pure/shield/support healer, support/dot/aoe/magical/physical/elemental dps.

It could get it's own version of the Masked Carnivale up to a certain point, but then level 80/90 content could combine both BLU and BST into one avenue of solo content.

So this would enhance the game two-fold; first it's expanding the roster of limited jobs, so that BLU has another companion job that can go into limited duty content (it could share the Morbol mount achievement, and be added to any future exclusive rewards too), but it's also providing more content to use with any job via the Companion system.

Explaining to a job why it has been shackled to a minigame, or vice versa: Your developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

So this would enhance the game two-fold; first it's expanding the roster of limited jobs, so that BLU has another companion job that can go into limited duty content (it could share the Morbol mount achievement, and be added to any future exclusive rewards too), but it's also providing more content to use with any job via the Companion system.

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Any enhancement will always be relative. Quality of such through development, moreover, will be relative to alternatives uses of the four core factors:

1. Development time / labor hours,
2. What is already seeded, such as previously in-game established assets, procedures, or other opportunities,
3. What is already expected, such as thematic spaces, responses to existing issues, or obvious opportunities, and
4. What expectations and assets it would form, in turn.

That does not, of course, mean that we are limited to what is already seeded or expected, only that any idea that prevents all or most other uses of those hours, assets, and exigencies -- with due regard also to precedents generated -- ought to be compared against those alternatives, not merely against the existing state.

Here, yes, having something is (precedents for dysfunction aside) better than not having it (if costs somehow weren't a thing), but it's certainly inferior to many other ways of implementing such side games, other uses for the thematic space that'd be taken up by the mock-BST, alternate applications of the Companion system, development time spent on the existing Masked Carnival or on vitalizing BLU, and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Explaining to a job why it has been shackled to a minigame, or vice versa: Your developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.

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It's not limited (no pun intended) to a minigame; that's merely another fun option that could be added to it that also takes advantage of the job's uniqueness.

Personal opinion: No job should ever be limited.

Reality: Probably just got pushed back because of covid and the need to focus on the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Personal opinion: No job should ever be limited.

Reality: Probably just got pushed back because of covid and the need to focus on the expansion.

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I really think that "limited jobs" should be renamed to something else; there are types of content that they can do that other jobs can't do, but that's not strictly a type of limitation in and of itself. "Limited", "different", and "unique" don't mean the same thing either. "Side job" would even make more sense to me than what we we currently have in the game.

Square Enix: Other jobs can't do the Masked Carnivale content; does that make them "limited" jobs?

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

I really think that "limited jobs" should be renamed to something else; there are types of content that they can do that other jobs can't do, but that's not strictly a type of limitation in and of itself; "limited", "different", and "unique" don't mean the same thing. "Side job" would even make more sense to me than what we we currently have in the game.

Square Enix: Other jobs can't do the Masked Carnivale content; does that make them "limited" jobs?

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Would changing the name help in some sense? Yes like helping new/returning players understand that it's side content and not an actual job. Will renaming limited jobs change anything about the backlash to the concept itself? For myself it would not at all and I seriously doubt it would for others that are against the limited job system.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Would changing the name help in some sense? Yes like helping new/returning players understand that it's side content and not an actual job. Will renaming limited jobs change anything about the backlash to the concept itself? For myself it would not at all and I seriously doubt it would for others that are against the limited job system.

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For me... It wouldn't. Unlike crafters and gatherers which are jobs as well, it's the fact that BLU is a battle class job. Which is the main content of the game with the story and daily activities. You could remove crafters and gatherers from the game and for the most part the story and daily stuff wouldn't change.

As someone who levels all the jobs, sometimes I get bored only playing my main and may want to do one of my roulettes on another job. Or like when I'm spamming Delubrum I'll switch between all the jobs. I can't do that on BLU. The only thing you can do on BLU is Masked Carnivale or Pre made stuff with party finder groups, and only old content, and ONLY some of that old content. And don't give me that, "but BLU is overpowered and bla bla bla." Being able to Lvl 5 death packs of mobs that most people just AoE down is not overpowered. Would just speed stuff up. Also BLU still gets hit pretty hard even with tank stance and such, and most final dungeon bosses are immune to BLU's "overpowered" stuff.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

It's not limited (no pun intended) to a minigame; that's merely another fun option that could be added to it that also takes advantage of the job's uniqueness.

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If you fetter what could have been a job to a mere minigame, yes, you have limited that job to a minigame. You've consumed the opportunity (the thematic space) in which for that job to exist, leaving only the minigame.

You could have had, separately, both the job AND the minigame with extraneous barriers to access, but you will in this case have chosen instead to not have that job NOR allow that minigame to be accessible to those who just wanted the unique gameplay of that minigame (instead gating it behind job experience grinds).

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Would changing the name help in some sense?

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Yes, it would stop it annoying me with its terribleness as a name. :p

I feel like the concept of unique customizable jobs freshening up old content has some potential. Putting BLU in the category of 'caster, but not really' doesn't change anything mechanically, but I think it does serve to attach a stigma to the concept right out of the gate.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

If you fetter what could have been a job to a mere minigame, yes, you have limited that job to a minigame. You've consumed the opportunity (the thematic space) in which for that job to exist, leaving only the minigame.

You could have had, separately, both the job AND the minigame with extraneous barriers to access, but you will in this case have chosen instead to not have that job NOR allow that minigame to be accessible to those who just wanted the unique gameplay of that minigame (instead gating it behind job experience grinds).

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There's more that it can do than just that minigame though, so I don't feel that "limited" is the right term here.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

There's more that it can do than just that minigame though, so I don't feel that "limited" is the right term here.

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Yes. Anything is more than nothing. It is not, however, necessarily more than the opportunities it displaces, as is the case here.

It's not that it's doing "more... than just that minigame". Rather, it is now binding whatever that "more" may be... to that minigame. You are removing those separate choices into, instead, a package deal for which you've not suggested any synergy sufficient to outweigh that cost to player choice.

Do I want pet battles, especially if the minion system is expanded? Sure. It's not an addition that seems to be boiling over with favorable precedents it would set, new appeals it'd bring, nor assets to build from, but it seems a decent enough idea that I'd probably enjoy from time to time.

Do I want BST? Absolutely. I love the job theme and likely aesthetics and would probably co-main it.

Do I want an abomination of the two, a pet battle system barred by BST, or a BST excluded from core content in favor of thereby gated minion battle encounters in unique side-content? Absolutely not. That "more" from either the minigame or job would have only worsened the one and denied any decent opportunities for the other.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Would changing the name help in some sense?

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I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

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Yeah I said changing the name would help with some things such as reducing the confusion that some have not knowing that blu is side content and not a real job. Changing the name away from "limited" wouldn't change the restrictions the system has so wouldn't do anything about what myself and others despise about the system.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

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Neither labeling the "post-processed dogfood" more clearly as "dogsh*t" nor following the reverse as to euphemize it will make it any less fecal in nature, though.

The main problem remains: it's limited to a certain span of content, just as a certain section of content is limited to it.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Neither labeling the "post-processed dogfood" more clearly as "dogsh*t" nor following the reverse as to euphemize will it make it any less fecal in nature, though.

The main problem remains: it's limited to a certain span of content, just as a certain section of content is limited to it.

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Couldn't you literally apply the exact wording of your second sentence toward several other jobs though for reasons that I previously stated? It seems kind of broadly written and could also be used by others for say a certain gatherer job that they didn't personally like, among other possible examples.

Your first sentence also contains loaded language, since not everyone here thinks that the current gameplay mechanics around Blue Mage are necessarily bad; they certainly have room for gradual improvements though, as can certain mechanics across any job, but with regards to what and how will differ between different groups of people.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Couldn't you literally apply the exact wording of your second sentence toward several other jobs though for reasons that I previously stated? It seems kind of broadly written and could also be used by others for say a certain gatherer job that they didn't personally like, among other possible examples.

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There's a difference between a non-combat staple like Gathering or Crafting, even if I'm honestly not a fan of their being quite so isolated as they are (mostly just because I dislike that gatherers, having being made complete non-combatants, are restricted to grinding small, contrived node loops instead of being allowed to interact with the larger world), and having a "Combat class, but not for group content, unless it's 10 levels outdated, and at a lower cap, and therefore not relevant to any expansion for so long as that expansion is current."

Fisher has its own side content unlike other gatherers. However, it can also level up to the cap, share gear and melds with other gatherers, contribute to end game crafting and do new expansion content like beast tribes. Its log gets updated with new fish in new maps and those fish also have uses in housing just like seeds collected through botany or topsoil collected by mining.

That's what BLU should have been. A mage among other mages. If beast master gets the same treatment as blue mage did, I will hate it.

Negative Nancy here. I would rather resources go towards “real” content. BLU was fun for a couple of days and they’ve done a good job at creating content for it.

Creating a new job, even a limited one where balance doesn’t matter must be a lot of work. Jobs like BST and PUP are pet classes which historically haven’t worked well in this game. Case in point summoner and it’s rework.

That being said, I really liked BLU in ffxi, and I will always be bummed that it will never be a job I can use in modern content.

With limited job content I always wonder what content could have been created by those developers

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Originally Posted by Sequora

Negative Nancy here. I would rather resources go towards “real” content. BLU was fun for a couple of days and they’ve done a good job at creating content for it.

Creating a new job, even a limited one where balance doesn’t matter must be a lot of work. Jobs like BST and PUP are pet classes which historically haven’t worked well in this game. Case in point summoner and it’s rework.

That being said, I really liked BLU in ffxi, and I will always be bummed that it will never be a job I can use in modern content.

With limited job content I always wonder what content could have been created by those developers

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My hope is that the time that would be spent on the next limited job will instead be spent on "finishing" Blue Mage.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

My hope is that the time that would be spent on the next limited job will instead be spent on "finishing" Blue Mage.

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What does "finishing" it entail?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

What does "finishing" it entail?

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Doing whatever it takes to make the class viable in current group content so that a mainline FF job is no longer reduced to a minigame that only has activity during moogle events.

Add a mandatory list of spells to learn before you can queue for content and block the meme spells when you’re playing normally with others. It’s that simple. We do not need another update to this job with 100+ copies of the same potency spell again, and we certainly don't need to add another job into a system that isn't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

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BLU will only be "finished" when it can also play as a traditional DoM?
Is that a definition of "finished" some of us are trying to force on BLU?
Or have SQEX mentioned they have this in their BLUprints?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

BLU will only be "finished" when it can also play as a traditional DoM?
Is that a definition of "finished" some of us are trying to force on BLU?
Or have SQEX mentioned they have this in their BLUprints?

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At this point the most economical use of resources would be to restructure Blue Mage as the dot caster that the game is now missing. Until it can actually be used in relevant content and not just content that I already cleared when it launched and got the rewards from already, it will always be unfinished in my eyes. Square enix has barely said anything about Blue Mage because the job is only a topic of discussion during limited time events.

It feels no different from a special gacha summon that'll only be around for a couple of weeks or so, if not less time. At least a 5 star summon can be taken into whatever the gacha's core content is. Why should this game which is also lacking a naturey beast tamer type job subject the people who want to play as that to another minigame that will go nowhere when WoW released a beast master in 2004 that can do content with other people normally?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

At this point the most economical use of resources would be to restructure Blue Mage as the dot caster that the game is now missing. Until it can actually be used in relevant content and not just content that I already cleared when it launched and got the rewards from already, it will always be unfinished in my eyes. Square enix has barely said anything about Blue Mage because the job is only a topic of discussion during limited time events.

It feels no different from a special gacha summon that'll only be around for a couple of weeks or so, if not less time. At least a 5 star summon can be taken into whatever the gacha's core content is. Why should this game which is also lacking a naturey beast tamer type job subject the people who want to play as that to another minigame that will go nowhere when WoW released a beast master in 2004 that can do content with other people normally?

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Needing a DoT-focused caster doesn't mean BLU has to fill that niche. You can literally create any job for that spot. Green Mage, Spiritualist, Elementalist are some jobs from FF-adjacent series that could fit the bill all while not turning BLU into something it isn't.
Seeing as BLU is used as a "Wondrous Tails but as a job", I don't think SE minds that people treat as such. Not like this is new. It's been almost three years now since BLU was announced and we are still talking in these dumb circles.

Two very different games and two very different approaches to the archetype. Clearly SE sees these niche jobs as more in the vein of other Final Fantasy games than anything WoW-related. BST is likely to be inspired by FFV, FFTA and FFXI than anything Blizzard put out. So... charming random monsters with diversity of traits, collecting and placing them in pens and training them, the whole she-bang. That's a little more complicated than random rangers with generic pets with almost nothing unique or interesting about them.