You think its bad now? Lottery will make it worse.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Good luck with this one lol.

Imagine the outrage, when people get crappy plots instead of lakefront mediums or beachside larges.

Not only that, they are stuck with those plots without a proper way to upgrade.

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Too bad. Lottery wards are meant to be a gamble.

I don't want to see that several million Gil tool bidding on every house in the ward, wasting people's time. I don't have the Gil to throw out to guarantee a house. Most people don't. You want a medium or large you buy a ticket for one and pray you get it.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Too bad. Lottery wards are meant to be a gamble.

I don't want to see that several million Gil tool bidding on every house in the ward, wasting people's time. I don't have the Gil to throw out to guarantee a house. Most people don't. You want a medium or large you buy a ticket for one and pray you get it.

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Not sure what you're on about. But previously, you proposed, random plots among small, medium,large.

Under your proposed system, the truly gil wealthy will drop multiple bids using alts and multiple accounts, for every desired dream plot of their size in every ward to ensure they get it.

If people can lottery for specific plots, it spreads the demand across different plots.

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Originally Posted by Lucinda

IMO it feels like, "The grass is always greener," type of situation. No one wants to sit around and click for an unknown number of hours to try and get a plot. So the lottery is a huge win in that regard. Nonetheless, it's all fun and games until the odds of getting a plot (even shoddy ones in the Goblet) feels similar to that of winning 1st prize on the jumbo cactpot!

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This ^ I promise you. Come Endwalker and once that lottery hits. Give it a week before complaints hit this board and others like Wildfire. Get your popcorn ready. A new wave a salt is about to hit. Remember. People asked for years for a lottery system...

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Originally Posted by SanadaX

This ^ I promise you. Come Endwalker and once that lottery hits. Give it a week before complaints hit this board and others like Wildfire. Get your popcorn ready. A new wave a salt is about to hit. Remember. People asked for years for a lottery system...

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Aye, some people act like it’s gonna be some great counter to placard clicking but the old system is still going to be there.
So twice the bad.

I was saving money but just ended up buying an apartment yesterday after seeing for myself the amount of people camping a free plot (and there are barely any popping up on my server). You can at least multiply this number of folks by ten for wards with lottery systems.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Aye, some people act like it’s gonna be some great counter to placard clicking but the old system is still going to be there.
So twice the bad.

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That's what we been trying to tell, im more like now sitting in the back with my popcorn just waiting on the salty posts in 6.1

A lottery will not fix the problem as there is a huge housing shortage already which translates in "owning a house" becoming a "myth" once the lottery arrives since those that aren't online or barely log in at all would have a chance at a house when not deserving of one. In my opinion only people that log in frequently and therefor "care more about the game and SE as a company" should get priority.
There is no game on the planet that puts people that don't play on the same level as people that DO play... this lottery would allow "zombies" to potentially get a hold of housing (people that only play 1-3 days a month). From how I see it there are already too much houses owned by zombies. Some wards are literally dead.. you never see their owners online. I think the REAL fix would be altering how housing works today => https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ing-Megathread

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

That's what we been trying to tell, im more like now sitting in the back with my popcorn just waiting on the salty posts in 6.1

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That's gonna be one hell of a show, I hope there's a seat for me too so I can enjoy the fireworks !
Sugar popcorn... right ? Salty pop is unholy.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

That's gonna be one hell of a show, I hope there's a seat for me too so I can enjoy the fireworks !
Sugar popcorn... right ? Salty pop is unholy.

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I'll join you. Mix some M&Ms in with the popcorn.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

I'll join you. Mix some M&Ms in with the popcorn.

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No, no, no...butter! Butter helps the salt stick to the popcorn to make it tastier.

Ok, I'll admit, chocolate and caramel is tasty too.

Can someone link to details on this lottery system and when it's going to happen?

I will genuinely miss the old Housing system with the invisible timer. It is the only way to show botters the middlefinger and get rich at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

I will genuinely miss the old Housing system with the invisible timer. It is the only way to show botters the middlefinger and get rich at the same time.

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Except it really hasn't stopped the botters at all. In fact, botting has only increased since the placard timer was introduced.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

Except it really hasn't stopped the botters at all. In fact, botting has only increased since the placard timer was introduced.

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You never saw bots back in the day. At worse you saw people keeping plots hostage for large amounts of gil.
Some say RMT bought houses but can't say I witnessed this in EU but maybe it's more frequent in NA.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Can someone link to details on this lottery system and when it's going to happen?

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No details on how the lottery will work have been released yet. What we know is from the Live Letter in July.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5614790

YoshiP did say that it will only affect some wards. Other wards will be First Come, First Serve.

He also said that some wards will be designated personal only and some will be FC only. Adjustments will be made to relocation but no hint as to the type of adjustments.

Everything you hear players saying beyond that is speculation (and there's a lot of it). The best guess is it will all happen when Ishgard housing is opened in 6.1 and we'll likely be getting the details either in one of the live letters or in a blog post in the weeks before 6.1 is released. It's extremely unlikely anything more will be said before 6.0 is released.

I came over to this game and a lot of that had to do with the housing. Now that I am here, I am finding that it's simply not an available feature. I wrote support asking them about being told to use mods or bots to get housing (that's what the forums say). The response I got was frankly rude and non-supportive in any way. No word about them working on it. No word about this "lottery". They basically said too bad for coming to the game late and this feature is not available to you.

If I wanted that kind of response, I would have contacted Activision/Blizzard support.

I cancelled my sub. Already been burnt by one company, now I have one telling me that some features of their game are only available to certain players. Not investing in a game that doesn't invest in it's customers. I don't think so, Jan...

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Originally Posted by KiwiJello

I came over to this game and a lot of that had to do with the housing. Now that I am here, I am finding that it's simply not an available feature. I wrote support asking them about being told to use mods or bots to get housing (that's what the forums say). The response I got was frankly rude and non-supportive in any way. No word about them working on it. No word about this "lottery". They basically said too bad for coming to the game late and this feature is not available to you.

If I wanted that kind of response, I would have contacted Activision/Blizzard support.

I cancelled my sub. Already been burnt by one company, now I have one telling me that some features of their game are only available to certain players. Not investing in a game that doesn't invest in it's customers. I don't think so, Jan...

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Game Masters aren't there to answer normal questions or give players inside information about development plans. They're there to fix problems within their authority. Housing issues are outside of their authority.

It's always going to be better to talk to other players to find out how game features work and what's been announced as coming in the future.

If housing was the main reason you picked the game, then you picked the wrong game to play. This is not a housing-centric game.

As for not investing in its customers, SE does far better by its player base than most game developers do. There have been many changes and additions to the game over the years that were in direct response to player feedback.

If you're willing to reconsider, here are some things to keep in mind while we wait for the new Ishgard housing district and some other changes coming in 6.1:

Apartments exist and they're available on every world except Balmung (which has a housing congestion problem due to its very high population of roleplayers). While lacking an outdoor space to decorate and being smaller in size, they've also got a few perks that automatically come attached along with the best perk of all - you can't lose an apartment to demolition due to inactivity.

When Ishgard opens, it will increase the number of houses per world by a minimum of 1440. There's hope (though not a guarantee) that SE will be able to add additional wards to all housing districts at that same time, which would increase the supply even more. It was something they had originally planned to do in 2020 but had to scale back due to logistics problems created by COVID (we ended up with only 3 new wards per housing district instead of more) and the continuing COVID problems world wide in addition to the semi-conductor shortage are making it difficult for SE to obtain the equipment needed then get it installed at the locations that house the game servers.

If you're just not interested in giving FFXIV a chance, then I'd suggest ESO or even RIFT for MMORPG housing.

Imagine thinking you’ll get a house now or when lottery hits lul.

I was perfectly fine with an apartment, but can't seem to find one. If my Free Company is in Gridania (SP?) then my apartment building resides in the Lavender Beds. There are 24 instances of that, I believe. I went through all of them, and the apartment lady said none available. Am I bound to the lavender beds without changing FC's?

I didn't open a ticket with a game master, I wrote an email to Square Enix directly. The information wasn't my issue, it was the "too bad, kiss off" attitude it was written in that I didn't appreciate.

Also, didn't know anyone who played this game to ask so I went with the company's advertising.

I do realize that housing isn't important to some people, but it wouldn't exist if it wasn't important to some, nor would they have made a subforum if it wasn't something they expected to be discussed. They dropped the ball. My main purpose in posting here is to give them feedback as to why one might cancel a sub to their game. Being locked out of a game feature is annoying, but being told to go "suck it" is another thing altogether. Know what I mean? Probably got the wrong SE guy before his coffee, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

You can buy an apartment in any of the 4 housing cities no matter your GC choice. You will need to do a small quest to gain access to each residential area for each city.

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I was perfectly fine with an apartment, but can't seem to find one. If my Free Company is in Gridania (SP?) then my apartment building resides in the Lavender Beds. There are 24 instances of that, I believe. I went through all of them, and the apartment lady said none available. Am I bound to the lavender beds without changing FC's?

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Malboro has plenty of apartments in all the residential areas. You can check if an apartment building is full by opening your map. If there's a red tick icon on the apartment building;it's full.

Also there are apartment buildings in the sub-division. So currently there are 48 instances of apartment buildings in each residential area.

You can purchase an apartment in any residential area regardless of FC or GC affiliation.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Malboro has plenty of apartments in all the residential areas. You can check if an apartment building is full by opening your map. If there's a red tick icon on the apartment building;it's full.

Also there are apartment buildings in the sub-division. So currently there are 48 instances of apartment buildings in each residential area.

You can purchase an apartment in any residential area regardless of FC or GC affiliation.

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Thank you for that information. I wish SE had told me that. I'll go check out other districts as well.

To be perfectly honest, had I had access to the forums, I would have asked here first, but up until today I could not figure out how to select a main character on the sign in screen. Turns out you have to click the tiny star in the corner, not the actual plaque that highlights when you click it.

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Originally Posted by KiwiJello

I was perfectly fine with an apartment, but can't seem to find one. If my Free Company is in Gridania (SP?) then my apartment building resides in the Lavender Beds. There are 24 instances of that, I believe. I went through all of them, and the apartment lady said none available. Am I bound to the lavender beds without changing FC's?

I didn't open a ticket with a game master, I wrote an email to Square Enix directly. The information wasn't my issue, it was the "too bad, kiss off" attitude it was written in that I didn't appreciate.

Also, didn't know anyone who played this game to ask so I went with the company's advertising.

I do realize that housing isn't important to some people, but it wouldn't exist if it wasn't important to some, nor would they have made a subforum if it wasn't something they expected to be discussed. They dropped the ball. My main purpose in posting here is to give them feedback as to why one might cancel a sub to their game. Being locked out of a game feature is annoying, but being told to go "suck it" is another thing altogether. Know what I mean? Probably got the wrong SE guy before his coffee, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

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You don't have to have an apartment in the housing district associated with your Grand Company. You can buy in any of them.

There are also 48 apartment buildings per housing district, not 24. Each of the subdivisions also has an apartment building and it's usually much easier to find an available apartments in the subdivisions because a lot of players don't think to check there.

I'd be happy to world visit to help you find an apartment on Malboro if you'd like an extra pair of eyes to help cut down the search time.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

People will just think a lottery system is better because they don't have to spend all their time at singular spot. They'll soon realize that it wasn't.

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Personally, I'll gladly do the lottery system instead of the placard.

Lottery system:
Enter my name and walk away
Do whatever I want with my day
Try again

Placard system:
Sit there for hours clicking the placard over and over as the crowd of people grows
Lose any hope of going off and doing anything else that day as your whole day will be spent right here at this placard
Experience the ever slightly numbing sensation in your arm that very slowly becomes painful as you click over and over and over and over
Curse and yell when someone relocates to that plot just to piss you off- never ever get those hours back.
Try again

Believe it or not, I have better things to do than spending 11 hours at a placard only to lose and do the same thing at another placard. The placard system may be better FOR YOU, but it isn't for me.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Personally, I'll gladly do the lottery system instead of the placard.

Lottery system:
Enter my name and walk away
Do whatever I want with my day
Try again

Placard system:
Sit there for hours clicking the placard over and over as the crowd of people grows
Lose any hope of going off and doing anything else that day as your whole day will be spent right here at this placard
Experience the ever slightly numbing sensation in your arm that very slowly becomes painful as you click over and over and over and over
Curse and yell when someone relocates to that plot just to piss you off- never ever get those hours back.
Try again

Believe it or not, I have better things to do than spending 11 hours at a placard only to lose and do the same thing at another placard. The placard system may be better FOR YOU, but it isn't for me.

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Lottery might be easier on the hands.

But with the current placard system, you're only competing against characters who are physically present near the placard.

Lottery opens up the competition to everyone and their aldgoat on their server for very little effort.

Have you ever won first prize on the Jumbo Cactpot or in a real life lottery?

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Originally Posted by SanadaX

Why? Due to the fact you can enter the lottery with alts. What? You really believe people won't do this? Why wouldn't you? Think about winning a house on an alt and hitting the secondary market.. fuck crafting ever again. You'd be rolling in gil. Not to mention the influx of players currently going on and while it is dope to see all new faces... Once they level up and now have a desire to get a house... It is a fucking wrap for the homeless.
With the current system while it is total fucking ass (Got my house already) At least those with crazy will power and grit and just grab one... Once thats gone.... You're going to be wishing it was back because of the reason stated above... Screencap this.

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Painfully wrong and with reprehensible use of expletives. Please remove.

Welcome to Gold Sellers now selling FC houses to people for whatever amount og real life credits, and yes on some servers they can decide the price.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Lottery might be easier on the hands.

But with the current placard system, you're only competing against characters who are physically present near the placard.

Lottery opens up the competition to everyone and their aldgoat on their server for very little effort.

Have you ever won first prize on the Jumbo Cactpot or in a real life lottery?

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What part of my post did you fail to understand? You lose at the placard to every relocating troll in the game with no effort. He or she just comes over and takes it after you have been there for 4 to 10 hours. Or with the bots that click over and over while the player is elsewhere.

I will not ever say that the placard is better because it is my belief that the placard is the worst system ever designed.

So I'll repeat:
Believe it or not, I have better things to do than spending 11 hours at a placard only to lose and do the same thing at another placard. The placard system may be better FOR YOU, but it isn't for me.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Lottery might be easier on the hands.

But with the current placard system, you're only competing against characters who are physically present near the placard.

Lottery opens up the competition to everyone and their aldgoat on their server for very little effort.

Have you ever won first prize on the Jumbo Cactpot or in a real life lottery?

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Sure, you're right more people will be able to try for a house without having to click compete for hours, but...



Wait, that's all. More people can try for something supposedly available for all. No cons to that.

Looks like they are more interested in helping the masses than continuing to allow housing to be a physical competition that has a high chance of being won by bots anyways.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

So I'll repeat:
Believe it or not, I have better things to do than spending 11 hours at a placard only to lose and do the same thing at another placard. The placard system may be better FOR YOU, but it isn't for me.

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You could use the system as it was intended instead of placard camping.

Find an available plot. See if it's ready for purchase. If it's not, go do other things and check back a couple of hours later to see if it's still available and ready for purchase. Players have managed to get houses this way despite others camping.

Regardless, I doubt you're going to be any happier once the lottery is implemented and you still can't get a house because you're competing against the same 2000-3000 players each time.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Wait, that's all. More people can try for something supposedly available for all. No cons to that.

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Nothing is stopping them from trying now.

It's not opening any doors. It's just changing where the door is located.

Not just Alts ether though,
There are at least 5 RMT bots just buying houses on every NA server, No matter how much we report nothing is done about them.
Imagine not even being able to spot them, just 5 accounts putting in for each and every lotto. RMT will own the majority of housing with a lotto system.

A better solution would be to only allow Relocation for the first 12 hours, disabling relocation after the 12 hours have passed. Then keep the deconstruct timer but only up to 4 or 5 hours (After relocation timer).
^ For the most part this is actually how it works now, but without the block on Relocation after 12. the deconstruct might be "random" but from my exp and the housing discord plots normally sell around the 12 -> 14 hour mark.
This is not clear to new players or anyone not involved with housing so most of the first-timers spend the full 12->14 hours clicking. After a few days, people either give up, start botting themself, or find the discord.

Maybe some sort of bump-up system for people that have been trying for a certain amount of times.

Also, the requirements for being able to purchase a house should be bumped up, require 1 battle job at max level of current Expac and/or 180 -> 200 hours of playtime.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Nothing is stopping them from trying now.

It's not opening any doors. It's just changing where the door is located.

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Obviously incorrect, according to the countless forum threads detailing how impossible placard camping is for so many and how deeply unlikely the "check a heavily camped placard once in a while" method is to succeed.

Obviously incorrect.

How many players do you know who have said they want a house vs how many do you know who actually got one and how hard did they have to try?

other than spending god knows how many hours camping outside fighting with bot. Sign me up, lotto pure luck and RNG, greater competition but fairer system.

Oh magic 8-ball, what wisdom do you bring?

https://i.imgur.com/6Arishz.gif

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

other than spending god knows how many hours camping outside fighting with bot. Sign me up, lotto pure luck and RNG, greater competition but fairer system.

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Dont know, a guy in my FC just camped a house in shirogane this night and got it. I will ask him later how long it took him. At first there were like 5 or 6 people trying to buy it but they all went to bed and then he got it in the middle of the night.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Obviously incorrect, according to the countless forum threads detailing how impossible placard camping is for so many and how deeply unlikely the "check a heavily camped placard once in a while" method is to succeed.

Obviously incorrect.

How many players do you know who have said they want a house vs how many do you know who actually got one and how hard did they have to try?

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Will share one of my experiences
I am in one of the most populate server. I was lucky enough to own a small plot in Limsa once. It was the time ppl can still occasionally make a new character in the server if they wait long enough.
First I use the “come back an check once a while” way and miss 5 plots, after that I was desperate and move on to the camp Placard methods and took me 3 plots to finally be the lucky winner. Camping those 3 plots took me roughly 17 hours in total.

Worth it? Not really, I can run many content in 17hours play time. Lottery or camping placard are both gamble. Difference is the long camping deferred many potential players who don’t have the time or don’t want waste time camping. So less competition because a terrible execution system.
You will have a higher chance of getting a plot with placard system only because it benefits a tiny portion of player base. Lotto have a smaller chance of getting a plot because the bar is set much lower almost majority of the player base have a chance

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Obviously incorrect, according to the countless forum threads detailing how impossible placard camping is for so many and how deeply unlikely the "check a heavily camped placard once in a while" method is to succeed.

Obviously incorrect.

How many players do you know who have said they want a house vs how many do you know who actually got one and how hard did they have to try?

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It's not the placard camping that's keeping them from getting a house.

It's the lack of supply.

People need to stop focusing on the symptom and request a cure for the problem.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's not the placard camping that's keeping them from getting a house.

It's the lack of supply.

People need to stop focusing on the symptom and request a cure for the problem.

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Hard to ignore a symptom that keeps you from functioning regularly (placard camping) and sometimes the cure costs too much (massive ward expansion til there is never a shortage) and all that is left is to fight the most major symptoms (implementing a lottery so any who want a house stand a decent chance without the trauma of camping)

which seems to be the path SE has chosen.

A different evil? I suppose it can be called so.

Worse, though? Certainly not.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's not the placard camping that's keeping them from getting a house.

It's the lack of supply.

People need to stop focusing on the symptom and request a cure for the problem.

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Only way we're going to get this cure is through multiple additional data centers (like we need a South American and maybe another North American one in addition to the announced Oceanic DC), and then a new neighborhood each expansion. At minimum, we should see an Ala Mhigan, Norvrandt, and Sharlyan neighborhood.

Once all of those are met, maybe supply will be at a point where it's somewhat caught up, but I doubt it will before then.

I prefer the approach that will cause less people to have to purposely deprive themselves of sleep in order to get a housing plot; said healthier approach seems to be the new lottery system right now, and I hope that immediately becomes the universal standard as well.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

I prefer the approach that will cause less people to have to purposely deprive themselves of sleep in order to get a housing plot; said healthier approach seems to be the new lottery system right now, and I hope that immediately becomes the universal standard as well.

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You'll love them until you find you can't get a house with a lottery. They need to fix the insane time associated with timers and the games some play with relocation. Lotteries won't make things better for users only make it harder to get a house.

It's good to see that this lottery concept will be relegated to specific wards. I guess we'll have to wait and see what percentage of the new wards will be lottery and which will be first come first serve. Hopefully we'll get some clarification when 6.0 hits or soon after.