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Originally Posted by kujoestars

As for me, once I max out crafting, I will still happily be putting those skills to use simply because it's fun... ...All I know is I love everything this game has to offer and I'm sure many feel the same way (especially fellow WoW refugees).

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I think someone has the same idea as me when I started crafting back in 2013. You really reminded me of my hype about my favorite game of crafting.

Currently, crafting is really on the easy end of the spectrum... I mean, I am just using all my white gear (i430), and is macroing all the hardest recipe in game. It is boring, and I can't even get the incentive to craft one facet gear since I don't need it. But they did promise us more challenges in 5.2. We shall see about that. I hope that'll give me the kick I need to submerge myself in my crafting game again.

Honestly, with how insanely fast leveling DoL is now, they might as well just have skip potions so they can make money off of extra lazy people.

I'm thankful they at least have the MSQ/expansion walls in place to deter people from making alt account bots to farm with because I've been seeing a lot of MSQ/job-skipped ones basically doing 1-80 overnight on each of the DoL classes regardless and it's liable to get even faster with the gatherer turn-ins coming in 5.2.

I can only assume some people are bracing for the Restoration rankings because having DoL bots constamty feeding a collectable spamming DoH materials is going to leave all of the legitimate players in the dust.

Have to agree wholeheartedly with you Caimie.

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It is boring, and I can't even get the incentive to craft one facet gear since I don't need it

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Here's hoping for 5.2 adding some challenges :)

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Originally Posted by Ethelwind

Here's hoping for 5.2 adding some challenges :)

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Oh I expect they will! They've been teasing quite a bit about all the things being added to the restoration, and with their second overhaul on the system in as many patches, they're probably going to be adding back some of the difficulty veteran crafters have been complaining about being gone from the first one. Though I kind of hope they don't touch the early levels too much with it. I made a bunch of leveling macros for folks, and some of them play on ps4 where inputting those things is a royal pain. I'd hate for them to have to start all over.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

I think someone has the same idea as me when I started crafting back in 2013. You really reminded me of my hype about my favorite game of crafting.

Currently, crafting is really on the easy end of the spectrum... I mean, I am just using all my white gear (i430), and is macroing all the hardest recipe in game. It is boring, and I can't even get the incentive to craft one facet gear since I don't need it. But they did promise us more challenges in 5.2. We shall see about that. I hope that'll give me the kick I need to submerge myself in my crafting game again.

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Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

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I completely agree that we'll need the new sets before we can do the new recipes, but I'd say there's a moderate chance that a 430 crafter could probably squeak out the new set if they had really good food, melds, and all HQ mats. I remember sweating my way through that in HW and SB when upgrading that first time after hitting 60/70. Of course, with the changes going on it's all up in the air and I could be totally wrong lol, but if all else fails a person can craft a Facet piece or two and meld it to give them the bump needed to get the first piece or two of the new gear. It'd be crafting and melding one thing at a time instead of all at once, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The rewards for completing Expert recipes should be crafting gear, tools, or a way to earn gil. Otherwise, most ( hardcore) players, myself included, won’t even bother doing them. If it’s glam, minions, mounts, and titles (arguably the most useless things in a crafter’s arsenal) then it’s actually quite insulting.

But who am I kidding, it’s Yoshida we’re talking about lol. Of course it’ll be minions, mounts, and a title. I understand not wanting players to feel left out, but at least be reasonable when implementing features aimed towards hardcore players.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

The rewards for completing Expert recipes should be crafting gear, tools, or a way to earn gil. Otherwise, most ( hardcore) players, myself included, won’t even bother doing them. If it’s glam, minions, mounts, and titles (arguably the most useless things in a crafter’s arsenal) then it’s actually quite insulting.

But who am I kidding, it’s Yoshida we’re talking about lol. Of course it’ll be minions, mounts, and a title. I understand not wanting players to feel left out, but at least be reasonable when implementing features aimed towards hardcore players.

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Considering the rewards for Ultimate are just a title and a fancy weapon with a slight upgrade in stats, I'm surprised you're expecting the rewards for crafting to be more dramatic.

It's already easy it is to earn large amounts of gil through normal crafting, I don't see gil as a reward for completing expert recipes. The last thing this game needs is more gil sources when we lack ways to spend the gil we're already earning. What would be interesting is if unique rewards we could purchase with gil we've already earned could only be unlocked by completing Expert recipes.

I expect the advanced stages of the DoH Skysteel tools to require Expert recipes. They haven't talked about any special gear other than the tools so I doubt there will be any.

Just because you personally don't care about glamours, titles and the other things doesn't mean you can speak for all hardcore crafters. Different players want different things and many will enjoy having a visible way to demonstrate their crafting expertise.

I suspect you're going to end up disappointed regardless of what we get in the patch because what you want isn't realistic for the modern MMO environment.

glam mounts minions titles are the name of the game here when it doesn't come to PVE weapons. you basically want "raid" type crafting MH/OH. which will only make things easier for you. you say you want gil but you already claim to have billions so what would be the point to have more? don't be another shalice icefrost and complain about the gil cap.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Considering the rewards for Ultimate are just a title and a fancy weapon with a slight upgrade in stats, I'm surprised you're expecting the rewards for crafting to be more dramatic.

It's already easy it is to earn large amounts of gil through normal crafting, I don't see gil as a reward for completing expert recipes. The last thing this game needs is more gil sources when we lack ways to spend the gil we're already earning. What would be interesting is if unique rewards we could purchase with gil we've already earned could only be unlocked by completing Expert recipes.

I expect the advanced stages of the DoH Skysteel tools to require Expert recipes. They haven't talked about any special gear other than the tools so I doubt there will be any.

Just because you personally don't care about glamours, titles and the other things doesn't mean you can speak for all hardcore crafters. Different players want different things and many will enjoy having a visible way to demonstrate their crafting expertise.

I suspect you're going to end up disappointed regardless of what we get in the patch because what you want isn't realistic for the modern MMO environment.

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You know what? I can’t argue with anything you have said, lol. You’re absolutely right.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

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You might be right, but i have a feeling that Caimie of all people would be able to adjust. Either by HQing more sub-combines, or by cranking out a few quick pieces of facet gear to meet the stat threshholds, or whatever other solution might be viable. She is the one who wrote the crafting guide that most of us read afterall.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

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I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

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What reward are you after gil?? Gil is easy too get and hard to get rid of not much of a reward. High stat tools? Well your own post just pointed out how useless they are currently, as their not being pushed to their limit. Seen more then my share of hardcore crafters say mounts, titles and glams are not a good enough reward. Starting to think the hardcore community does not have a bloody clue what it wants reward wise. One moment its gil, then its high stat gear, then its just the achievement of completing a hard craft. Do you guys have any clue what you want exactly? For me the reward is knowing I dont need others to craft any craftable item I may want.

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet. But your finding that achievements, tools,mounts,glam's,gil and even the coming leader boards just dont give you that.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet. But your finding that achievements, tools,mounts,glam's,gil and even the coming leader boards just dont give you that.

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That’s not correct at all, but let’s assume you’re right for a sec. Assuming you’re right, how exactly does someone choosing to play the game that way in any way shape or form affect you in the game? What gives you the right to, essentially remove, someone’s playstyle and how they enjoy the game? Can you answer me that?

Also, this is another reason why the crafting community in FFXIV is just straight garbage now. Half the time it’s hardcore and casual players going at each other’s throats. Half the time, it’s people asking for macros. It never used to be like this at all, it’s really sad.

Hardcore players make valid points = There’s still loads of players that want to argue just for the sake of arguing, not interested in a conclusion

Casual players make valid points = Will agree with them, but still want to argue, and make everything about them. It’s like some casual players aren’t interested in a conclusion, just arguing and being one-sided and/or trolling.

Sorry but someone had to say it.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

That’s not correct at all, but let’s assume you’re right for a sec. Assuming you’re right, how exactly does someone choosing to play the game that way in any way shape or form affect you in the game? What gives you the right to, essentially remove, someone’s playstyle and how they enjoy the game? Can you answer me that?

Also, this is another reason why the crafting community in FFXIV is just straight garbage now. Half the time it’s hardcore and casual players going at each other’s throats. Half the time, it’s people asking for macros. It never used to be like this at all, it’s really sad.

Hardcore players make valid points = There’s still loads of players that want to argue just for the sake of arguing, not interested in a conclusion

Casual players make valid points = Will agree with them, but still want to argue, and make everything about them. It’s like some casual players aren’t interested in a conclusion, just arguing and being one-sided and/or trolling.

Sorry but someone had to say it.

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Not attacking anyone and read my entire post so you dont waste my time. Your reaction to my post and the hardcore communities reaction to what SE is giving reward wise is points too you wanting just what I said. Causal community and SE know you want a challenge their trying to give it to you. But it when it comes to rewards, what their offering is not good by the way hardcore crafters are acting. Dont like guesses then say exactly what the hardcore community wants as rewards or stop complaining!! Its constant the whinning that rewards are not good enough and that your not being challenged that irks the causal community, especially when SE is trying to appease you.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Not attacking anyone and read my entire post so you dont waste my time. Your reaction to my post and the hardcore communities reaction to what SE is giving reward wise is points too you wanting just what I said. Causal community and SE know you want a challenge their trying to give it to you. But it when it comes to rewards, what their offering is not good by the way hardcore crafters are acting. Dont like guesses then say exactly what the hardcore community wants as rewards or stop complaining!! Its constant the whinning that rewards are not good enough and that your not being challenged that irks the causal community, especially when SE is trying to appease you.

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Oh, I apologize. If I’m wasting your time, you are welcome to not respond. I’m just trying to understand. Also, we have made it very clear what rewards we would like to have, that was kind of a redundant statement. Do you really need me to link all threads and posts? Come on, lol. Also, you didn’t answer me. I asked you: assuming you’re right about hardcore players wanting things to be a “5%” endgame groupie thing, how does that in any way shape or form affect you as a player in FFXIV? How does that hinder you from participating in dungeons, raids, gathering, or crafting? Why does that have to be removed from the game? Because it angers you? Let’s start there.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

Oh, I apologize. If I’m wasting your time, you are welcome to not respond. I’m just trying to understand. Also, we have made it very clear what rewards we would like to have, that was kind of a redundant statement. Do you really need me to link all threads and posts? Come on, lol. Also, you didn’t answer me. I asked you: assuming you’re right about hardcore players wanting things to be a “5%” endgame groupie thing, how does that in any way shape or form affect you as a player in FFXIV? How does that hinder you from participating in dungeons, raids, gathering, or crafting? Why does that have to be removed from the game? Because it angers you? Let’s start there.

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Not answering the question cause it was not what I was addressing. I am well aware of the rewards everyones asked for and there lays the isssue...people are still complaining about rewards. SE is giving you skytools, leaderboards,titles, possibly mounts and transmogs who's knows what else. So your getting your High stat cool looking tools, your status symbols and ways to make gil, but yet you are still throwing a fuss!!!

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Not answering the question cause it was not what I was addressing. I am well aware of the rewards everyones asked for and there lays the isssue...people are still complaining about rewards. SE is giving you skytools, leaderboards,titles, possibly mounts and transmogs who's knows what else. So your getting your High stat cool looking tools, your status symbols and ways to make gil, but yet you are still throwing a fuss!!!

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Well, if you’re trying to make a sound argument, it would be good if you at least explain why you said what you said, about why being a “5% crafter” is something that affects you, as a player...and why it should be removed in the first place?

Also, there’s hardly any info on skytools, like , at all. We need to wait until the live letter on the 6th for further information. If it’s special and exclusive/rare kind of like Lucis tools were in 2.x, cool. If it’s not, and it’s something literally anyone with a copy/pasted macro can do, count me out fam lol. Might as well be giving me a golden sticker from kindergarten that says “you’re a super star!” It’s meaningless if that’s the case. If there’s a way to earn gil through expert recipes? Cool, count me in. Problem is, nothing has been confirmed yet for sure, and all you are doing is assuming.

We need more information.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

Well, if you’re trying to make a sound argument, it would be good if you at least explain why you said what you said, about why being a “5% crafter” is something that affects you, as a player.

Also, there’s hardly any info on skytools, like , at all. We need to wait until the live letter on the 6th for further information. If it’s special and exclusive/rare kind of like Lucis tools were in 2.x, cool. If it’s not, and it’s something literally anyone with a copy/pasted macro can do, count me out fam lol. Might as well be giving me a golden sticker from kindergarten that says “you’re a super star!” It’s meaningless if that’s the case. If there’s a way to earn gil through expert recipes? Cool, count me in. Problem is, nothing has been confirmed yet for sure, and all you are doing is assuming.

We need more information.

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Never said it affects me I said you guys cant seem to fill that void. As for my statment it was a guess at why everyone cant seem to be content with what SE is offering. I further more have no desire to take things from hardcore players, I have achieved my goals so far with crafting. Expert recipes do not hold anything I need or want to achieve further goals, and will be for those who goals extend past mine who long for more. I have interest in crafitng magicked bed to ride but have no interest in Skytools if thats anything to go by my goals are vastly different.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

What reward are you after gil??

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Just to make stuff that feels worth making, really. It's not about the participation prizes or even gil.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet.

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This is something I don't get.

Yes, top crafters want to be good, even if it just means perseverance. They want to achieve things that not every player will reach. Why is it a crime to want to achieve something? You portray that as bragging toxic elitists who want the casuals "at their feet", when most of the high end crafters are nice people. They rarely brag. They'll freely offer advice. They spend countless hours theorycrafting the rotations and macros you use and writing guides to help the community. They want others to share in crafting and enjoy it.

Crafting right now is aimed towards players who don't actually enjoy crafting.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

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Well, I certainly hope it bites me back! That may give me that kick I need to get back to work on this! I have all the raw mats and materia VII and VIII lying around in retainer. I just have no incentive to make them. But if I need them, I'll finish the whole set with melds in a day. So no worries, I'm not stupid enough to start gathering mats for facet gear in 5.2 when their prices go sky high. ;) I do hope that the ingots/lumbers will be synthesized in DOUBLED with the same amount of raw mats though when 5.2 comes. Isn't that how it was in Stormblood?

However, I do plan to take on the 5.2 recipes on my white gear first (if recipe minimum stats allows it). This will give me some challenges and fun.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

You might be right, but i have a feeling that Caimie of all people would be able to adjust. Either by HQing more sub-combines, or by cranking out a few quick pieces of facet gear to meet the stat threshholds, or whatever other solution might be viable. She is the one who wrote the crafting guide that most of us read afterall.

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That is actually the plan... If I do need a bit more stats, I'll squeeze it out of somewhere, like a piece or two of facet! :) I know I can!

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

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You're right too. If I need a full facet set, I'll get a full facet set with full melds within a day. I am fully prepared. But for now, I'll take on whatever comes at me in 5.2 with my white gear! :)

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet. But your finding that achievements, tools,mounts,glam's,gil and even the coming leader boards just dont give you that.

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Actually, I have to defend NanaWiloh... NanaWiloh isn't wrong here. I have met some crafters on my server before, and actually they were indeed after the gil the fame the notoriety (there are still some that ARE currently)! But now are they "hardcore crafters"? Yeah, I guess you can define them as hardcore crafters when you see their names frequently on over 10,000 items of the highest level recipes on the marketboard. They're really hardcore on PRODUCTION! Factory-mode! Now you can say, "well, high production does not necessarily mean after gil/fame, right?" ... You could be right. But I actually talked to one of them, and he/she actually admitted to me that he/she just wanted to dominate the marketboard, and wanna be the wealthiest of all... I thought that was rather shallow, so I have not talked to him/her much after.

You can surely call them hardcore crafters. But I think some others here may refer hardcore crafters as those who just likes to take on challenges and have fun. I am definitely one of those in the latter category.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Well, I certainly hope it bites me back! That may give me that kick I need to get back to work on this! I have all the raw mats and materia VII and VIII lying around in retainer. I just have no incentive to make them. But if I need them, I'll finish the whole set with melds in a day. So no worries, I'm not stupid enough to start gathering mats for facet gear in 5.2 when their prices go sky high. ;) I do hope that the ingots/lumbers will be synthesized in DOUBLED with the same amount of raw mats though when 5.2 comes. Isn't that how it was in Stormblood?

However, I do plan to take on the 5.2 recipes on my white gear first (if recipe minimum stats allows it). This will give me some challenges and fun.


That is actually the plan... If I do need a bit more stats, I'll squeeze it out of somewhere, like a piece or two of facet! :) I know I can!


You're right too. If I need a full facet set, I'll get a full facet set with full melds within a day. I am fully prepared. But for now, I'll take on whatever comes at me in 5.2 with my white gear! :)

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I hope it bites back for you :D I would love to see the crafting system appeal to hardcore and casuals equally without stepping on eachothers toes.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

But I actually talked to one of them, and he/she actually admitted to me that he/she just wanted to dominate the marketboard, and wanna be the wealthiest of all... I thought that was rather shallow, so I have not talked to him/her much after.

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Just a note, but this isn't really such a bad thing, and fits perfectly into Bartle's Taxonomy of players. Some players just enjoy dominating other players. It's like PvP, but you're killing them where it really hurts: the wallet.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Just a note, but this isn't really such a bad thing, and fits perfectly into Bartle's Taxonomy of players. Some players just enjoy dominating other players. It's like PvP, but you're killing them where it really hurts: the wallet.

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Exactly. Personally, I see no issue with someone choosing to play the game that way.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Just a note, but this isn't really such a bad thing, and fits perfectly into Bartle's Taxonomy of players. Some players just enjoy dominating other players. It's like PvP, but you're killing them where it really hurts: the wallet.

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I think this is where a lot on contention between casuals and hardcore crafters lie. As a casual I'd much rather the new expert crafts be "PvE" only as I feel being able to buy the rewards from the new expert crafts with gil MASSIVELY reduces any interest in wanting to craft them for myself. I'd much rather none of the materials or crafts from the new expert crafts be available on the MB the same way you can't get Ultimate raid gear on the MB.

Please make it something I can spend the next couple of months working on as a gatherer and crafter but PLEASE don't make it so people who are too lazy to gather and craft for themselves get just because they have a bunch of gil.

Caimie,! author of one of the best strategy guides in history, welcome back! Its good to see you around again :-)

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

I think this is where a lot on contention between casuals and hardcore crafters lie. As a casual I'd much rather the new expert crafts be "PvE" only as I feel being able to buy the rewards from the new expert crafts with gil MASSIVELY reduces any interest in wanting to craft them for myself. I'd much rather none of the materials or crafts from the new expert crafts be available on the MB the same way you can't get Ultimate raid gear on the MB.

Please make it something I can spend the next couple of months working on as a gatherer and crafter but PLEASE don't make it so people who are too lazy to gather and craft for themselves get just because they have a bunch of gil.

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Expert Recipes were not intended for casual players though. This is exactly what I’m talking about, lol. Casual players are so used to always getting content, whereas hardcore players are only now starting to get content.

Class potions are alright. Though I wish to not see Craft or Gatherer jump potions in the game. Goal of the MMO is to slowly work your way towards your goal, pay for the journey, not the destination.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Just a note, but this isn't really such a bad thing, and fits perfectly into Bartle's Taxonomy of players. Some players just enjoy dominating other players. It's like PvP, but you're killing them where it really hurts: the wallet.

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You do have a point. :)
I had to google on what Bartle's Taxonomy of players is about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle...f_player_types Learnt something new today!

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Originally Posted by GarretStrongstaf

Caimie,! author of one of the best strategy guides in history, welcome back! Its good to see you around again :-)

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Thanks, Garret!

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

Expert Recipes were not intended for casual players though. This is exactly what I’m talking about, lol. Casual players are so used to always getting content, whereas hardcore players are only now starting to get content.

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Which is what I want too. I want to do hardcore crafts but if they can be done easily just because you have lots of gil it's no longer "hardcore" in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

Which is what I want too. I want to do hardcore crafts but if they can be done easily just because you have lots of gil it's no longer "hardcore" in my eyes.

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Nobody mentioned lots of Gil. Expert recipes are going to be based on rng and both skill according to Yoshida, so we will just have to see how that plays out in 5.21.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

Nobody mentioned lots of Gil. Expert recipes are going to be based on rng and both skill according to Yoshida, so we will just have to see how that plays out in 5.21.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

If there’s a way to earn gil through expert recipes? Cool, count me in.

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I just want it to be worth doing for myself. If I can wait a bit after 5.21 drops and get anything I want out of it just by buying it on the MB I just don't see the point in putting the effort to craft it myself.

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

I just want it to be worth doing for myself. If I can wait a bit after 5.21 drops and get anything I want out of it just by buying it on the MB I just don't see the point in putting the effort to craft it myself.

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Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant a lot of Gil as in “only players will hundreds of millions of Gil can do ______” like most washed out arguements I’ve seen lol. And yeah, I can understand that.

Somehow convinced myself to prepare facet for 5.2.1 and completely did all gathering / crafting gear and tools over 2 days and remelded cheaply.
It was more fun than I expected as getting as much hq as possible in the pre-combines, meant the final combines were done in less than 40 mins.

It does make life much easier by removing the rare unlucky outliers I got beforehand (about 10 nq's from all precombines), but since I manually craft anyhow, it mainly just turned 85% into 100% hq. I do hope the new recipes are harder with the facet than the facet was with the i430's.

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Originally Posted by Ethelwind

It does make life much easier by removing the rare unlucky outliers I got beforehand (about 10 nq's from all precombines), but since I manually craft anyhow, it mainly just turned 85% into 100% hq. I do hope the new recipes are harder with the facet than the facet was with the i430's.

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The new Master recipes probably won't be. It's the Expert recipes that are expected to be difficult.