Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Then the people who enter shouldn't expect any help from the other 47/55 other players in the dungeon. As already stated, people are under no obligation to carry you in BA so if you enter on a whim you shouldn't expect to be entitled to any friendly behavior from people in the dungeon. Especially when it takes no effort to get into a discord group.

Even entering as a premade built in kugane without a discord would be better at this point. But obviously that doesn't happen because people who snipe portals only want to be carried and get the kill without putting in any effort of any sort.

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This actually made me frown really hard. Like, I get it - but this is where people scowl and start throwing around the 'elitist' remark because that's how your comment is reading. You're straight up not even giving them a chance and making a broad accusation. Nah, not cool. Just because someone doesn't enter a premade doesn't mean they're not going to try. Nor should they be attacked for using the portals - frustration is understandable but being a straight up jerk isn't - that's how you end up reported and that's where people start harping on about toxic players, because they're being toxic.
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Anyway, OP if that story went down as you've portrayed it that's extremely unfortunate and it's a shame she didn't remember those who were harassing. It's sad she went in with the idea to try the content and carry herself - as SE has portrayed this content to be with how BA works in regards to getting in. Sucks, even more, when some folks attitude is to instantly snarl and blame them for engaging the content. I have high hopes however that people aren't usually like this in BA and instead of being jerks will send a party invite and a discord link to the current parties that are in the instance for optimal coordination - and instead not assume that they're leeching.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Then the people who enter shouldn't expect any help from the other 47/55 other players in the dungeon. As already stated, people are under no obligation to carry you in BA so if you enter on a whim you shouldn't expect to be entitled to any friendly behavior from people in the dungeon. Especially when it takes no effort to get into a discord group.

Even entering as a premade built in kugane without a discord would be better at this point. But obviously that doesn't happen because people who snipe portals only want to be carried and get the kill without putting in any effort of any sort.

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Statements like this make these discord groups sound really toxic, you are expected to play fair with the people who get matched with you and everyone in the instance who merts the requirements is allowed to enter the content, friendly behaviour should be expected in content like this.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Doesn t get to enter in BA because your friend wanted to get into BA on a whim whithout even preparing the proper logos actions (lol bloodbath/remembered).

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How dare that person play the content as intended with the amount of experience they had on hand! How dare they try out the content on their own! Who do they think they are?!

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

This actually made me frown really hard. Like, I get it - but this is where people scowl and start throwing around the 'elitist' remark. You're straight up not even giving them a chance and making a broad accusation. Nah, not cool. Just because someone doesn't enter a premade doesn't mean they're not going to try.
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Anyway, OP if that story went down as you've portrayed it that's extremely unfortunate and it's a shame she didn't remember those who were harassing. It's sad she went in with the idea to try the content and carry herself - as SE has portrayed this content to be with how BA works in regards to getting in. Sucks, even more, when some folks attitude is to instantly snarl. I have high hopes however that people aren't usually like this in BA and instead of being jerks will send a party invite and a discord link to the current parties that are in the instance for optimal coordination - and instead not assume that they're leeching.

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As you pointed out it is not for us to give your friend or not a chance, it is their performance on AV (or even raiden, typically most snipers get blown up on raiden despite him being a very easy boss). You cannot in one hand sit on our "elitist" organization and in the other expecting us to help you. If you want help, you play by our rules (snipers are typically banned from the different discords). If you don't want help, fine you can snipe, but don't expect any help of any sort. BA is a social content and with every social interactions come written and unwritten rules and etiquettes. And in a 48 man raid, you ll get nowhere without being social.

Also, 2 days ago, we invited a sniper to our group in order to get the LB3, even like this he died on AV despite being on the discord. We didn't raise him.

Furthermore, someone who snipe on the support fate without having any BA experience nor gear nor logos is leeching. Plain and simple.

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How dare that person play the content as intended with the amount of experience they had on hand! How dare they try out the content on their own! Who do they think they are?!
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You ll get no sympathy from any BA runner here, because people who snipe on AV generally don't have any elemental bonus nor the right logos. Generally at this point most people do discovery runs from the beginning and don't try to skip to the finish line. In our discord we go to great length to teach players BA from the beginning by organizing 3 runs per days every day.

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Statements like this make these discord groups sound really toxic, you are expected to play fair with the people who get matched with you and everyone in the instance who merts the requirements is allowed to enter the content, friendly behaviour should be expected in content like this.

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But we re playing fair, in our groups (the french discord) we simply say nothing to the snipers. As people mentioned, it is a public dungeon, we don't have to cooperate with anyone if we don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

As you pointed out it is not for us to give your friend or not a chance, it is their performance on AV (or even raiden, typically most snipers get blown up on raiden despite him being a very easy boss).

Also, 2 days ago, we invited a sniper to our group in order to get the LB3, even like this he died on AV despite being on the discord. We didn't raise him.

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Doesn't matter dude, your previous comment kinda shows what you're all about. If that's how your discord group thinks - then yeah, you expect people to take part in that? Can you blame the more causal of players being uncomfy in engaging with you? I hope no discord group that is currently running around in Eureka shares this kind of thought process.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

You ll get no sympathy from any BA runner here, because people who snipe on AV generally don't have any elemental bonus nor the right logos. Generally at this point most people do discovery runs from the beginning and don't try to skip to the finish line.

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Your bitterness is directed at people who do that sort of thing intentionally but the fact remains that the game allows people with innocent if uninformed intent to go in there like that as well. There are no requirements to go into the portal other than being there when the relevant fate died and maybe getting a gold rating on it - that's it.
As has said numerous times in the thread - if you want to blame someone, blame SE for designing the content like that, or get over the misguided notion that anyone owns the BA entry rights - because no one does.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Your bitterness is directed at people who do that sort of thing intentionally but the fact remains that the game allows people with innocent if uninformed intent to go in there like that as well. There are no requirements to go into the portal other than being there when the relevant fate died and maybe getting a gold rating on it - that's it.
As has said numerous times in the thread - if you want to blame someone, blame SE for designing the content like that, or get over the misguided notion that anyone owns the BA entry rights - because no one does.

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Generally we give a warning to clueless people (we already got the case) but that doesn't mean we d carry them to Ozma, because if you want to go to Ozma, in our discord, you have to do discovery runs first.

Also, I'm not bitter (I got my mount so to be honest at this point I m only doing this for people who don't have the kill) but I'm very firm about the sniping, because it is not a good behavior. And I especially frown when people actually think they are entitled to get the Ozma kill when they snipe a portal. But no, that's not how it works.

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Doesn't matter dude, your previous comment kinda shows what you're all about. If that's how your discord group thinks - then yeah, you expect people to take part in that? Can you blame the more causal of players being uncomfy in engaging with you? I hope no discord group that is currently running around in Eureka shares this kind of thought process.

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As someone who organize a lot of the runs for newcomers in BA in our discord, I think you get the wrong guy. And that doesn't prevent me from being very firmly against sniping because it is a huge lack of respect for the player who is sniped (see my previous post for explanation). there are no prerequisites to join the different discords and you can even build your own premade if you don't want to join these group, anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player (at least in EU and NA datacenters).

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player

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And yet works as intended, is what it still boils down to.

With all the elemental gear the bosses are pretty easy now. I don't know why you would still need that level of discord organisation for BA.
The BA discord doesn't own the exclusive right to enter the portals if they have a run. You just shouldn't be a griefer and be like "lol I sniped your portal" because then you can get reported too. Your intend should be to clear it too and guys again....., 3grps(24people) cleared BA already, clear times around 5min at ozma ? maybe even less now. If one guy in 56 doesn't have the right logos action it will not stop you from clearing.

The best way to learn and enjoy the content it actually to get as many people as possible in BA instead of losing out on 10 potential "BA runs/portal spawns" because everybody is too afraid to go inside because there could be a group premade for it and they don't wanna be that toxic sniper guy.

The content would actually be difficult as intended if it would be with random people. Doing 56 full premade is kinda cheesing the system.
Instead of figuring out how to pug it efficiently, people just went the easy way with an external discord, which is way more bothersome to set up though. Waiting hours for an instance to get all groups in ? Yeah sounds like a fun weekend to me.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Generally we give a warning to clueless people (we already got the case) but that doesn't mean we d carry them to Ozma, because if you want to go to Ozma, in our discord, you have to do discovery runs first.

Also, I'm not bitter (I got my mount so to be honest at this point I m only doing this for people who don't have the kill) but I'm very firm about the sniping, because it is not a good behavior. And I especially frown when people actually think they are entitled to get the Ozma kill when they snipe a portal. But no, that's not how it works.



As someone who organize a lot of the runs for newcomers in BA in our discord, I think you get the wrong guy. And that doesn't prevent me from being very firmly against sniping because it is a huge lack of respect for the player who is sniped (see my previous post for explanation). there are no prerequisites to join the different discords and you can even build your own premade if you don't want to join these group, anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player (at least in EU and NA datacenters).

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No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Q: Yeah about that, you know the only way to raise in BA is sacrifice right? So maybe it wasn’t just that they were being dicks?

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

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This seems a little odd to me but AFAIK you can't Return while dead and that would be the only way to get out of the Arsenal and back to base camp where you could shout for a res.
Waiting out the instance timer on BA would boot you out too i believe but since they cleared AV it's most likely that the 10min res timer would run out before then.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.

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No one is saying otherwise, but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

No one is saying otherwise

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The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?

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but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

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That's not what they're complaining about :)

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

If one guy in 56 doesn't have the right logos action it will not stop you from clearing.

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The one guy can cause a wipe by messing up AV orbs or Ozma's meteors/acceleration bombs, though, so it's understandable why people don't want randoms coming in blind.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about :)

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No one was going to raise her regardless of what people said though. Raises in BA are precious. It isn't like she didn't get raised because people encouraged others not to raise her. The best thing to do would have been to just completely ignore her imo. No healer is gonna risk a 30% death chance to get a random person up off the ground.

The situation sucks, but I don't think either party is at fault here really. Just people dealing with the circumstances of the entry system SE put in place.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about :)

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We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

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Not like it matters because by your logic them going in for the first time to just try it is almost offensive in your eyes; to the organised groups. And while they may go in with every single intention to pull their own weight, to you they're just there to be carried and to leach. So, instead of showing a more positive outlook about it - you're basically hostile towards them. What kind of image does that paint when you have the premade discord group being hostile and then telling them to 'join a premade/discord group' when all they've seen is the discord group being hostile? You get threads like this and people complaining about the discord groups which make people even less likely to join them.

Nah, if I went in for the first time with the intention of pulling my own weight and then I'm met with hostile people snarling at me to get into discord then guess what, I'm not going to join the discord which has those people in it. Already you've painted them in a bad light; people are going to be dispositioned to be hostile even when they join the discord group. 'Look there's that person who sniped my portal, grrrrr'.

Again those who enter the portals may enter them with innocent intentions and with a mind to actually clear the content and pull their own weight. Why would they assume that discord is needed when up until now, no such coordination is needed and the way SE has set it up is for first come first serve to fill the instance. You can't blame those who are taking the portals without gatekeeping and you have no right to do that.

I haven't seen one person here specifically say 'Wahhh, the organised group isn't carrying me' - OP specifically said that this particular person wanted to group up so they were part of the organised group. They could have invited her and offered the discord link. They didn't. If what OP said is true they effectively blacklisted her.

And from your previous posts, it wouldn't surprise me that any newbie who takes a portal without being part of your premade is also effectively blacklisted - instead of, you know, guiding them. The excuse of 'Oh I tried it once and it didn't work' is dumb.

If you don't like the fact people can take the portals without there being limitations on just who can take them. Then you either need to complain to SE or adjust. And people wonder why SE updated their rules policy - yeah, they saw this coming alright.

While I can totally understand the frustration of losing the spot to another; when people devolve into harassing the person - then yeah, there's a person at fault alright. They shouldn't be surprised or shocked if they're reported for their actions. Just like you can't be surprised or shocked if someone doesn't want to join a voice chat when those same people were hostile to them moments before.

In the end, what you expect is for people to have experience in BA, yet to get experience in BA they need to join a premade or 'snipe' a portal. If they're new to BA after doing previous eureka grinds which didn't need discord communication - then somehow they should automatically know that they need to join a premade and use discord communication to get anywhere. No, that's not how it works. Honestly, people need to see it to believe it. Isn't that how this started in the first place? With everyone randomly going into the portals and trying by full-on pugging? I don't see how this isn't any different - people are still going to go into BA with that kind of mindset - they will eventually learn in a good environment with people willing to help. Just like in every content that is beyond the causal dungeon run.

Gwenorai wrote exactly my thoughts.

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

A 'raise' in BA is worth about 200k+ gil on my server.

So, why should a healer waste such an action worth 200k gil?
Esp. if the fight is over and ppl don't intend to continue, since leveling up after a deleveling takes about 20 minutes.

A healer in a premade usually brings 2 sacs for the purpose of getting your group through and he will be happy about every logos action he can keep for the next run.

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nevermind what I said, I misread something lol

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Is this a joke? I never seen anyone pay for raises and I never raised anyone expecting to be paid. A simple thank you is more than enough. You have to be a special kind of someone to demand money for that.

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It costs that much to buy the logograms to make sac. People are not going to use something they spent that much gil to acquire, unless that someone is a part of helping them achieve the goal of completing BA.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

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Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

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I first of all don't always have discord running.
Secondly, I am already in about 12 different discord servers, some where I am an Admin/Owner. Hopping online always means dealing with mod stuff, people and interacting, something I really don't have time for when running BA in FFXIV.
It's not about an exclusive club, it's simply having yet another thing that needs attention, maintenance and involvement.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

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I will preface this with I have no been in BA, nor do I have any particular desire to do so.

That said, what do you (general you) gain by not going into Discord. You have a right to go into the portals, to be sure, however if you do so you simply are not going to progress. You gain nothing by being obstinate about it. If you could somehow sneak through to a win, then maybe I could see it..... but reality is you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

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I'm in the discord and it isn't unpleasant at all. People making premade parties aren't trying to run the content as a PUG, that's the whole point. You're forcing yourself on 50+ other people. They have no reason whatsoever to try and accommodate you just because you hopped into a portal.

If you wanna run a PUG for BA, do it in an instance with no discord group forming. You can try to do otherwise by sniping a portal, but you're just gonna end up trying to solo it, and we all know how that ends. RIP.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Is this a joke? I never seen anyone pay for raises and I never raised anyone expecting to be paid. A simple thank you is more than enough. You have to be a special kind of someone to demand money for that.

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The Logos action Sacrifice L is the *only* way to raise someone in Baldesion Arsenal. To make it, it requires the combination of Esuna L, Raise L, and Magic Burst L. That is a minimum (as what comes out of a Logogram is random) of two fundamental and one obscure Logograms. Go ahead and see how much they are on the marketboard on your server.

Also, keep in mind that Sacrifice L dooms the person that casts it, killing them. Best case scenario, the Logogram Spirit of the Remembered procs, which means they need to switch to a different set of Logograms afterwards, wasting whatever was in the vial they had before. Worst case, a different healer has to Sacrifice L *them* and hope *their* Remembered procs.

Baldesion Arsenal is not *just* a time investment.

My bad, I didn't see the BA part.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

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From what I've heard from my friends and discord groups those who tend to wander into the portals are a mixed bunch. I also don't understand why someone who is in the know-how wouldn't join a discord group; at least those who don't fall into a specific group of people who have reasons not to join the discord - like hostile users from them/anxieties etc.

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun. It certainly doesn't help when someone takes the portal without being in a premade and then they're just 'blacklisted' so they can't join that particular discord because of that incident. I really hope none of the BA groups is just blocking them from discords right off the get-go, and the rule is; not to take a portal if another group has already staked claim to that instance; which makes more sense than 'you snipe, you banned', which was overly harsh.

So yes, I totally understand it when people cock a brow when someone who knows that the discord communication is needed but doesn't take it anyway; but that's how it goes in MMOs. I am however firmly against the harassment of them since you never know, could just be a cute little smol who was simply curious. I've done it before myself in another game - quite by accident. I was curious one time in ESO and touched a portal that spawned a crap ton of mobs meant for group parties! Curiosity happens! People should know by now that some folks aren't glued to the computer and researching this and are just going in blind. It's a game, after all, some folks treat is just like that.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun.

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I agree with everything you've said, though I feel inclined to point out that there was a literal disclaimer saying that BA wouldn't be fun before you can complete the quest to unlock it.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

From what I've heard from my friends and discord groups those who tend to wander into the portals are a mixed bunch. I also don't understand why someone who is in the know-how wouldn't join a discord group; at least those who don't fall into a specific group of people who have reasons not to join the discord - like hostile users from them/anxieties etc.

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun. It certainly doesn't help when someone takes the portal without being in a premade and then they're just 'blacklisted' so they can't join that particular discord because of that incident. I really hope none of the BA groups is just blocking them from discords right off the get-go, and the rule is; not to take a portal if another group has already staked claim to that instance; which makes more sense than 'you snipe, you banned', which was overly harsh.

So yes, I totally understand it when people cock a brow when someone who knows that the discord communication is needed but doesn't take it anyway; but that's how it goes in MMOs. I am however firmly against the harassment of them since you never know, could just be a cute little smol who was simply curious. I've done it before myself in another game - quite by accident. I was curious one time in ESO and touched a portal that spawned a crap ton of mobs meant for group parties! Curiosity happens! People should know by now that some folks aren't glued to the computer and researching this and are just going in blind. It's a game, after all, some folks treat is just like that.

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yea, I completely get that too. If someone is just confused and unaware that is one thing. The problem is, you can't really tell if they're just pretending to be clueless to try and get a clear without working for it since we know for sure that has happened before. The root of the issue is the way entry was designed in the first place. People should be complaining about that instead of the discord groups.

Hiya! I'm one of the admins on the Aether BA discord (I made the queue bot, Meka!). I'm sorry to hear that this happened, and I'd love to look into this further so it doesn't again. Harassment isn't cool for any reason. We have strict policies in place to prevent people from being jerks ingame (implemented since 2/19/2019, as seen below) :

https://i.imgur.com/raUxNb1.png

In addition, we also added a rule against MPKing people after we had an incident of that as well:

https://i.imgur.com/mzdnghZ.png

Feel free to contact me in any way (I'd recommend Discord - My username is Aida Enna#0001), post screenshots here (with names redacted, according to forums rules I think?) or post a better method of contact so we can go ahead and get this resolved.

It's always possible that this never happened and it's just someone stirring up trouble, but better safe than sorry. I hope your friend returns to the game and continues to enjoy their time in the wonderful world of FINAL FANTASY.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

People should be complaining about that instead of the discord groups.

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Uh, what? We have a case here - hypothetical or not - in which people, players, responded very badly to a player engaging the game in a way SE allows if not outright intended. Those people displayed rude entitlement on account of belonging to a premade, if not to the discord. I agree that wanting the entire server banned is a bit much but SE didn't force people to start harassing "snipers", even when we're repeatedly established that's 1. not often the case, 2. a community thing not everyone adhere to if they're even aware of.
The complaint that at least started this thread is the toxic behavior of individuals from the discord. SE's badly designed content didn't force them to behave the way they did. Be annoyed, be frustrated, even convey that much to the 'sniper' - sure. But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. Throwing all the responsibility for people's behavior on SE's design is.... a bit much.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Doesn't matter dude, your previous comment kinda shows what you're all about. If that's how your discord group thinks - then yeah, you expect people to take part in that? Can you blame the more causal of players being uncomfy in engaging with you? I hope no discord group that is currently running around in Eureka shares this kind of thought process.

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I'm on the Aether BA Discord. Stanelis is harsh, but his or her points mirrors that of Aether.
In cases where someone new ends up in a Ozma prog or clear by accident, the groups I have been in will invite you in. As long as you contribute, everyone is accepted. Stalkers and contrarians being the exceptions. However, if in said Ozma group you die before reaching AV, you are not likely to get a Sacrifice. Especially if you're DPS. It happened to me when I dc'd and died during the portal rooms and I accepted the fact that I'm not getting up and stayed to keep the LB3 open. It's just the nature of it all.

To help with the progression disparity between players, the discord invites and hosts various learning parties to help people get familiar with the fights and get fragments for their elemental gear. That's how I did it and that's how most people on the discords expect you to do. We're accommodating to an extent, but certain consequences like not getting sacrifice is always present.

side-question : Does Chaos have such a discord?

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

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Originally Posted by HarryTipper

This seems a little odd to me but AFAIK you can't Return while dead and that would be the only way to get out of the Arsenal and back to base camp where you could shout for a res.
Waiting out the instance timer on BA would boot you out too i believe but since they cleared AV it's most likely that the 10min res timer would run out before then.

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Been trying to figure how best to word this so here goes;

I find it odd that the thing your friend OP that they got upset about was not the toxic insulting behavior (that they are claiming no proof after all so everything is a grain of salt on both ends here) but the rather mundane nope not ressing them at no point is anyone forced to raise anybody in BA and the discord group merely weighed up the option of risking not only remembered procs on their healers but whether or not your friend might wipe them on Ozma since they died to AV.

To add your friend's story is inconsistent with the BA rules they would have had their return to start timer run out before the instance timer would time out as killing AV gives more time than the return to start timer is, so there is no way they could be back at camp dead and needing a raise if the BA group had killed AV, I also find it highly unlikely that the entire 89 other people in the instance would be bleep enough not to raise someone, your friend is actively painting a worse image than what actually happened and you by extension by posting this on the forums.

Now with that said

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Not like it matters because by your logic them going in for the first time to just try it is almost offensive in your eyes; to the organised groups. And while they may go in with every single intention to pull their own weight, to you they're just there to be carried and to leach. So, instead of showing a more positive outlook about it - you're basically hostile towards them. What kind of image does that paint when you have the premade discord group being hostile and then telling them to 'join a premade/discord group' when all they've seen is the discord group being hostile? You get threads like this and people complaining about the discord groups which make people even less likely to join them.

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I am very much in agreement here if what is said is true that behavior was wrong and should've been reported to both gms and if possible to the BA discord mods but the former most assuredly takes precedent. Just because you organised stuff doesn't give you the right to chastise anyone in a public setting nor is a group forced to obey what a single person wants respect for your fellow players always works both ways

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Originally Posted by Auryan

I'm on the Aether BA Discord. Stanelis is harsh, but his or her points mirrors that of Aether.
In cases where someone new ends up in a Ozma prog or clear by accident, the groups I have been in will invite you in. As long as you contribute, everyone is accepted. Stalkers and contrarians being the exceptions. However, if in said Ozma group you die before reaching AV, you are not likely to get a Sacrifice. Especially if you're DPS. It happened to me when I dc'd and died during the portal rooms and I accepted the fact that I'm not getting up and stayed to keep the LB3 open. It's just the nature of it all.

To help with the progression disparity between players, the discord invites and hosts various learning parties to help people get familiar with the fights and get fragments for their elemental gear. That's how I did it and that's how most people on the discords expect you to do. We're accommodating to an extent, but certain consequences like not getting sacrifice is always present.

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I'm more than happy if the group is accommodating and is willing to accept them; that's how it should be. It's no fault of your own if they don't accept that - and I can see why you would be irritated as it can easily cause a wipe. My gripe is when that olive branch isn't extended and then there's hostility. Part of me wants it to be made up and someone is just fabricating a story so people scowl at discord groups. But I'm sure everyone here knows that there's always going to be a bad egg who will be that guy, lose their cool after waiting for 30+ mins to get a portal only to lose it.

I don't expect people to be raised due to the cost of the raise; I also don't expect someone to bend over backwards - it's just the simple gesture of extending the invitation without hostility. From what I've seen most people have experienced this nice gesture - but if this thread and others are to be believed; welp, bad eggs.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

side-question : Does Chaos have such a discord?

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Several ones: 2 german, 2 EU (sort off because one came from a facebook group), 1 french, 1 spanish and 1 Italian.

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Several ones: 2 german, 2 EU (sort off), 1 french, 1 spanish and 1 Italian.

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And any actual links......?
To the EU ones at least

Here is one for the french one :

https://discord.gg/NvZQDTK

I'm not on the others (well I was on the EU one but now you need to get verified and I didn't get through the process, and I can't get an invite link from this one).

Best way to get an invite for the EU one is to tell one of the team leaders putting PFs up for the BA runs.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Uh, what? We have a case here - hypothetical or not - in which people, players, responded very badly to a player engaging the game in a way SE allows if not outright intended. Those people displayed rude entitlement on account of belonging to a premade, if not to the discord. I agree that wanting the entire server banned is a bit much but SE didn't force people to start harassing "snipers", even when we're repeatedly established that's 1. not often the case, 2. a community thing not everyone adhere to if they're even aware of.
The complaint that at least started this thread is the toxic behavior of individuals from the discord. SE's badly designed content didn't force them to behave the way they did. Be annoyed, be frustrated, even convey that much to the 'sniper' - sure. But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. Throwing all the responsibility for people's behavior on SE's design is.... a bit much.

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Yea, I get that, and I don't know if I just have thicker skin than most, but I don't really think telling someone "you sniped a portal" or "we're not going to heal you because you sniped us" qualifies as harassment or anything. It isn't nice of course, but the situation itself isn't a nice one. If they were calling the person stupid or trying to insult them in other ways, yea, that's uncalled for. But pointing out to the person that they screwed up a run that people were planning for probably over an hour or so is completely reasonable in my opinion.