Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Screw the haters, I'm glad it's an exact feminine copy. The comedy potential just got cranked up to 11.
Well done Devs, equality at its finest.

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The thing is: The devs said they had a team dedicated to this outfit, and that said team were working really hard to make/design an outfit that would be appealing to the female audience on the same way the female bunny outfit is appealing to guys to look at. It wasn't supposed to be comedy, and this only reflects on what always happens in regards to gear on videogames or general clothing: Women are supposed to be sex objects and men are supposed to either be bland neutral or comic relief.

Male bunny outfit =/= Female bunny outfit for males.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I just don't think SE could win. They gave you guys the most requested thing apart from Viera and you're conplaining about it. How? Why not be grateful?

Stuff like this. No, of course they didn't work on this for two years. What gives you the imprssion that could be the case? I don't understand.

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I agree with you here, but I think you need to see the other side of this as well. They said they needed to make the male version of this from scratch, basically. This doesn't exactly reflect what is being shown now. All it shows is they probably didn't want to do it in the first place and decided to take the easy way out. Like I've said already, I didn't really care if this happened or not, but I can see both sides of this. On one hand, it is very equal to the female counterpart, so it will appease probably most of the people who wanted this to begin with. On the other, the time it took for them to copy/paste it just doesn't add up. I think some people were expecting...more.

this is insulting to say the least lmao. p sure people asking for a male bunny outfit, myself included, didn't want a copy/paste of the female version-- which was already in game to begin with. :v

here's to hoping this is a late april fool's joke...

I'm personally disappointed. I was expecting something like this:

http://www.lasvegas.es/userfiles/Ima...ndales_400.jpg

But with bunny ears.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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Way to be snide...

A lot of people (myself included) have been waiting for nearly 2 years for a bunny outfit for male characters. Naturally the fact they took so long we assumed it must be different right? I mean...

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Change in itself isn't that horrible, the new AST set has differences but they're more than acceptable imo. Thing is, it looks like SE can't design things for males, period, because it's either the bland pants we got from the fashion report, or just a copy-paste of the female outfit which don't even look that good on a male physique to begin with.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That just left me speechless, I thought the whole reason it was taking so long was because they were making a new design for males, not just slap the female outfit on males.

But hey, it goes in line with how lazy this expansion has been.

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But I guess you didn't take the time to read this OR any other thread that has come up about the male bunny outfit.

Many people here wanted something akin to this:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset...?ops=1910_1000

Which has been asked for NUMEROUS times by many here in the community.

But of course the raises even more questions now about male glamours doesn't it? If they are willing to give us this... why can't we have the female Thav set then? They have the male version. Why not Lyse's outfit? We're getting the female bunny outfit. I mean... they're being very fickle about this and it kind of sucks.

They apparently only see females as a way to express certain fashion points and sexual appeal.

While males are apparently only a joke (it feels like at times...)

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

This argument is problematic when you consider that a lot of people play female charas BECAUSE of the glamour situation. It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point.
Also, you'd think that with all the bots running around, the leading demographic would be male Midlanders, but somehow SE can tell those apart from actual players but they can't ban them...?



If they had made it yet another pair of Generic Pants™ like they did with the spring bottoms, yes, we'd have been upset. Change in itself isn't that horrible, the new AST set has differences but they're more than acceptable imo. Thing is, it looks like SE can't design things for males, period, because it's either the bland pants we got from the fashion report, or just a copy-paste of the female outfit which don't even look that good on a male physique to begin with.

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Well WHM AF3 gear trousers for female are a thong and for male are trousers that reach your ankle.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I agree with you here, but I think you need to see the other side of this as well. They said they needed to make the male version of this from scratch, basically. This doesn't exactly reflect what is being shown now. All it shows is they probably didn't want to do it in the first place and decided to take the easy way out. Like I've said already, I didn't really care if this happened or not, but I can see both sides of this. On one hand, it is very equal to the female counterpart, so it will appease probably most of the people who wanted this to begin with. On the other, the time it took for them to copy/paste it just doesn't add up.

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I fully admit this isn't a thing I've actively followed soI could be missing something - did SE comment on this two years ago saying they were working on it and confirm that it was coming up but only delayed due to crafting the male version from scratch?

If so then yes I feel like some annoyance is justified. If not... they had no deadline. This doesn't look like 2 years of time invested because it isn't two years of time invested.

I understand the point you're headed towards I'm just wondering if it's backed up by mistaken affirmations from SE.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I fully admit this isn't a thing I've actively followed soI could be missing something - did SE comment on this two years ago saying they were working on it and confirm that it was coming up but only delayed due to crafting the male version from scratch?

If so then yes I feel like some annoyance is justified. If not... they had no deadline. This doesn't look like 2 years of time invested because it isn't two years of time invested.

I understand the point you're headed towards I'm just wondering if it's backed up by mistaken affirmations from SE.

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I can't really recall when it was in the past couple of years, but I do remember them saying that it'd take some time because they had to redo them for males from scratch. I don't think that was the only reason for the delay though. It probably wasn't a priority for them and they just wanted to get it out of their way...so here we are. This is the impression I'm being given at least. I'm glad that it's happening mostly so I don't have to hear about it anymore...or hear/see people ask about them at events like Fanfest and Pax, which should be a place to answer more important things. But I can understand why people may be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

The thing is: The devs said they had a team dedicated to this outfit, and that said team were working really hard to make/design an outfit that would be appealing to the female audience on the same way the female bunny outfit is appealing to guys to look at. It wasn't supposed to be comedy, and this only reflects on what always happens in regards to gear on videogames or general clothing: Women are supposed to be sex objects and men are supposed to either be bland neutral or comic relief.

Male bunny outfit =/= Female bunny outfit for males.

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Wait, what? This was supposed to appeal to women?

Uh...I dunno how to explain this to the devs, but...most women (I'm sure there are some) don't want their dudes in heeled shoes with bows on them and fishnet stockings. The photo Lilseph posted is a heck of a lot closer to what would appeal to me, at least.

I honestly wasn't going to say anything because I honestly thought it was a good move for the folks that play trans characters or for folks who participate in the drag queen community. Like looking at that photo that is what I thought the aim was, and honestly thought it was a good thing. I still think it is, 'cause those folks should have more options. But if the goal was to make smexy male eye candy for straight women....yeah I'm a bit terrified at what else they think we're into ._.

What do you want to dress Haurchefant, Aymeric, and Hien in, devs? Bam, most straight women (and many, MANY men) will be ecstatic with those choices. Use those three as a starting point.

EDIT: That being said, some people are saying there were women on the design team for this? If that's the case then I have a very strong feeling they either had strict directions to follow...or they purposefully did this to show how ridiculous the sexualization of female characters can get. While I'm all for that particular fight, it seems very unfair to rob the male characters of this game from a sexy outfit to make that point if that is indeed true (I have no idea, I have no sources, just an opinion based on what's been said in this thread thus far).

Stuff like this. No, of course they didn't work on this for two years. What gives you the imprssion that could be the case? I don't understand.[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling that sometimes you don't have read the answers from Yoshi-P every time they interview the good man about this subject. Basically every time they ask him the very subject of the bunny suit for the males Yoshi-P always answered that they are working on that project which will take time to finished for other races too and they ask this question every time they have the chance to interview Yoshi-P for the last two years. But I get your point and i do agree in some parts in your statement, one thing i know is that the audience really need to be real patience when they request this type of things and need to be aware that its takes time and money to give this kind of service to the players.

EDIT: Also sorry don't know how to quote others since i barely make post and reply other's people opinions

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

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I admitted several times this isn't something I care about a ton as it isn't something that directly impacts me or really anyone I play with. No, I'm not going to go read a bunch of threads about it for the sake of responding to this one.

I clicked this thread with the intention of adding my "grats guys! happy for you! :3" to the pile and instead I see a bunch of people whining like babies that it isn't what they wanted.

How are you guys so entitled that you expect SE to be designing glams around what you want? I can't wrap my head around it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I can't really recall when it was in the past couple of years, but I do remember them saying that it'd take some time because they had to redo them for males from scratch. I don't think that was the only reason for the delay though. It probably wasn't a priority for them and they just wanted to get it out of their way...so here we are. This is the impression I'm being given at least. I'm glad that it's happening mostly so I don't have to hear about it anymore...or hear/see people ask about them at events like Fanfest and Pax, which should be a place to answer more important things. But I can understand why people may be disappointed.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

I'm personally disappointed. I was expecting something like this:

http://www.lasvegas.es/userfiles/Ima...ndales_400.jpg

But with bunny ears.

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This would also be cute. My boyfriend has a similar glam using wedding pants, some sort of cuffs and now he can toss bunny ears on top!

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Originally Posted by DawnSeeker

EDIT: Also sorry don't know how to quote others since i barely make post and reply other's people opinions

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Reply With Quote, much like I'm doing now. There's an option underneath someone's post.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Reply With Quote, much like I'm doing now. There's an option underneath someone's post.

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Like this? If i failed then i will give it a try next time since i'm a bit lazy today

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Originally Posted by DawnSeeker

Like this? If i failed then i will give it a try next time since i'm a bit lazy today

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Grats! You got it!

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Originally Posted by DreadRabbit

Wait, what? This was supposed to appeal to women?

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It's especially jarring when you consider pieces of gear like the coliseum chestpiece. That does a good job at showing off the male form in a way that is sexy and conventionally attractive. I'd also point to games such as Overwatch and Soul Calibur as examples of fan service done well for male characters. McCree's lifeguard outfit is very easy on the eyes and shows off a lot of his physique. In one of the recent trailers for Soul Calibur 6, meanwhile, Mitsurugi loses more and more of his armour during battle and he's, uh, packing in his loincloth...and his muscles are shown off pretty nicely.

I'm tired of so much focus being placed on feminine gear/hairstyle options for male characters in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Well WHM AF3 gear trousers for female are a thong and for male are trousers that reach your ankle.

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I never said females don't get burned by this situation too, they do, just in different ways. The bottoms for the AF1 WHM set is why I'm grateful you can glamour as early on as level 15 now.

"Make from scratch" =/= "design from scratch". It's not a copy/paste because it needed to be made from zero...based to the same design. The only copy/paste here are the ears, since those did not need to be changed in shape to match the male physique.

Do understand that clothes REPLACE the body layer. This is how this game is designed. They are not added on top as a separate layer, using 3D models that adapt to the model of the body by stretching etc. They are made exactly how they look. That's why it takes ages to make an entire set for all the races and genders. They need to make them one by one. Even if the design is the exact same on all male for example, they need to make a set for Roegadyn, a set for Au Ra, a set for Miqo'te, a set for Elezen and a set for Hyur (clearly a different set for Lalafells as well). Then the same for female. So instead of making two sets (one per gender) and just making slight correction to how the engine will modify it on the model, they need to make twelve. They did not want to invest originally to make proper 3D models and have a decent engine...well, they probably spent way more money on glamours over the years making them one by one.

There is no such thing as copy/paste due to server limitations...except for designs themselves. And sorry, but with how popular the bunny suit is, there really is no reason to consider the design take any significant amount of time, regardless of gender.


On a different note, the chippendales suit is what?! Pants, a collar with a bow tie and shirt cuffs. Really, just ask for a bow tie and you have chippendales suits aplenty. I think there are shirt cuffs somewhere in some set, but you could ask for that too. There is NOTHING bunny in their suits...They have nothing in common with the casino bunny suits or casinos themselves altogether. They just happen to perform in them, just like any other dancing group can.

How many guys will actually wear these is the question. Going to be interesting to see. I personally think they could have made something more appealing to men than these.

Well if making this took them 2 years to do then I look forward to wearing any hempen gear in 2032.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Well if making this took them 2 years to do then I look forward to wearing any hempen gear in 2032.

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2135. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

A lot of people (myself included) have been waiting for nearly 2 years for a bunny outfit for male characters. Naturally the fact they took so long we assumed it must be different right? I mean...

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Not to butt in...but I know Moro and I know she wasn't trying to be snide in her first post so I don't think it deserved this kind of reaction, she was asking questions to better understand D:

Personally, like her, I am a bit confused myself...I understand they took awhile to do it, but they are listening and doing what was requested.

Some people kept mentioning they want males to have the exact same outfits as females and now they get it and...they wanted something different? But why? I thought most of the arguments on the forums were to have males have the same exact choices as females D:

To be fair those images people are linking, you could create a glamour like that with items we already have in-game right now, since it ls bare chest it isn't overly complicated to recreate. The bunny outfit for guys being released as per the OP picture is actually something you could not recreate in-game.

https://i.imgur.com/UKndKcW.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/9freqzN.png?1

I know the ribbon is a bit big and not quite the same but still add the bunny ears to that when they add it and you kind of have something very similar to what is in those images.

I personally am rather glad they ported over the whole actual set I will totally put that on my alt (which is the one in those pictures) and of course drive my boyfriend nuts because it is a copy of his character /evil laugh.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Not to butt in...but I know Moro and I know she wasn't trying to be snide in her first post so I don't think it deserved this kind of reaction, she was asking questions to better understand D:

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Is true. I wasn't trying but sadly it comes naturally to me on the internet.

Also add some cuffs to those images (perhaps dyed tantalus cuffs? I've not messed with that set much) and I think you're on your way to this more masculine bunny suit. Really seems like all that was missing was ears.

At this point I'm not sure if a better alternative wouldn't have been to just make the ears gender-unlocked and let us put together something similar, really. I mean the Aymeric outfit didn't become gender neutral despite the hair being unlocked, and the ears are the key element here.

This reminds me of that comics that's been going around of how Zenos lured the male WoL over with a bunny outfit. There they had more what I had hoped for, hot pants similar to the Ruby Cotton Smalls and a vest-corset combo.
As it is, it's been reduced to yet another set that's seen as a joke and just number fodder because "look guys got another set, be quiet now" regardless of how well received it is (mixed on arrival) and how many people will actually end up wearing it. I'll deffo get the ears, and we'll see about the top. The sleeves are offputting but eh, I'll see how it actually looks like on my guy.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Some people kept mentioning they want males to have the exact same outfits as females and now they get it and...they wanted something different? But why? I thought most of the arguments on the forums were to have males have the same exact choices as females D:

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I can see where the confusion lies, but there are two different point of views that have been roaming the forums for years: people who want equality in the number of glamours (this is, if you're gonna release a female-only feminine outfit also release a male only masculine outfit, not female + unisex feminine outfit or just female) and people who wanted gender restrictions fully removed, as in males wearing feminine outfits and females wearing masculine outfit (if any?). You'll find people from the second camp happy because they can cross dress with feminine bunny outfit, but people from the first camp unhappy because it just continues the ongoing trend of either female-only outfit or feminine outfits.

Another confusion probably came from the spring pants thread where people from the first camp also wanted gender restrictions removed, this is because those pants are not feminine, nothing about them warranted a gender restriction, yet they did it and gave males generic looking pants #357.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

At this point I'm not sure if a better alternative wouldn't have been to just make the ears gender-unlocked and let us put together something similar, really. I mean the Aymeric outfit didn't become gender neutral despite the hair being unlocked, and the ears are the key element here.

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For all intents and purposes ears are (finally) unlocked, so you can put together something like Miste did and glamour over bunny ears, too bad the bowtie is not dyeable.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Tbh I only cared about the ears on males (which should have never been gender locked to begin with). So, those who do want the outfit the way it's designed right now, power to them.

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I think they really could have gotten away with just the ears, but will be interesting to see what glamour combos come out of this.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

How many guys will actually wear these is the question. Going to be interesting to see. I personally think they could have made something more appealing to men than these.

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It was mostly gay players who wanted this, you'll see a few. It does it's role if you want a camp/drag set, especially the fishnets. They probably could have modified the bottoms to be cutoff shorts, but I don't think anyone was realistically expecting straight men to wear a casino-style bunny suit, it looks ridiculous on them.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Another confusion probably came from the spring pants thread where people from the first camp also wanted gender restrictions removed, this is because those pants are not feminine, nothing about them warranted a gender restriction, yet they did it and gave males generic looking pants #357.

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Oh ffs, those spring shorts are feminine to the nines. No man would ever wear shorts that form fitting or cut that high. I'm not sure what they could have replaced it with.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

It was mostly gay players who wanted this, you'll see a few. It does it's role if you want a camp/drag set, especially the fishnets. They probably could have modified the bottoms to be cutoff shorts, but I don't think anyone was realistically expecting straight men to wear a casino-style bunny suit, it looks ridiculous on them.

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Oh dear...you've certainly opened a can of worms now...

Ha! We got it-
Oh it’s the same design as the female version....

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I know, off topic...but yeah.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

as in males wearing feminine outfits and females wearing masculine outfit (if any?).

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I am 99% sure every single glamour set in this game that's gender locked for females has a version of that set that's gender locked for males, the only one I can think of off the top of my head where that's not the case is the Bridesmaid/Bestman sets where it's a female set and a unisex set, every other set in the game is either two sets for each gender or just one unisex set.

Even in the cash shop when they release a gender locked set they usually release one for the other gender not soon after (Cid and Minfillia, Y'shtola and Thancred, Aymeric and Lyse).
The only egregious example of gender locked gear for females only was really the bunny suit, which is being rectified in 4.3 now anyway.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

It was mostly gay players...

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LOL. i hope you're not being real.

Well, I'm gay and I've only ever petitioned for more gear options that show off the male form in a masculine rather than feminine/androgynous manner. I know a lot of people who are also gay and have requested the same thing. I won't speak for them, but I'm sure a handful of them will show up and state as much.

Can of worms or not, it's the truth. *shrug* gay guys deserve options for them too, but you see all the people here suddenly wanting a chippendales outfit despite the fact that guys already could wear this in game without the ears and even they don't use the ears either. Bunny-suited guys really never have been a straight icon or anything, and the few I see in things like shoujo are just the ears...otherwise they look like Rabbit from zodiac war, hilarious.

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Well, I'm gay and I've only ever petitioned for more gear options that show off the male form in a masculine rather than feminine/androgynous manner. I know a lot of people who are also gay and have requested the same thing. I won't speak for them, but I'm sure a handful of them will show up and state as much.

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Well, there's a fair amount that instead do like the camp or glam look instead. I mean ffs fishnets...what did people expect?

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Can of worms or not, it's the truth. *shrug* gay guys deserve options for them too, but you see all the people here suddenly wanting a chippendales outfit despite the fact that guys already could wear this in game without the ears and even they don't use the ears either. Bunny-suited guys really never have been a straight icon or anything, and the few I see in things like shoujo are just the ears...otherwise they look like Rabbit from zodiac war, hilarious.

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You should quit while you're ahead... or at least before you make this hole any deeper.

Meanwhile Balmung keeps asking for crap while we could be getting content.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

I am 99% sure every single glamour set in this game that's gender locked for females has a version of that set that's gender locked for males

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Before this announcements the sets that right now come back to mind were

Bunny outfit (female) | Gambler outfit (unisex)

Bunny chief (female) | nothing (male)

Bridesmaid (female) | Best man (unisex)

Thavnairian bustier (female) | Thavnairian bolero (unisex)

Spring dress (female) | nothing (male)

A special mention to Valentione's outfit, where females got a new design and males got a reskinned CUL AF1.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Can of worms or not, it's the truth. *shrug* gay guys deserve options for them too, but you see all the people here suddenly wanting a chippendales outfit despite the fact that guys already could wear this in game without the ears and even they don't use the ears either. Bunny-suited guys really never have been a straight icon or anything, and the few I see in things like shoujo are just the ears...otherwise they look like Rabbit from zodiac war, hilarious.

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Please just stop before you get yourself banned. For real. I don't want to see you booted off the forums over this, we can always use contrarian voices around here. :)


In general... I don't get the reaction. People asked for the bunny outfit. SE sat on that request forever, and is finally delivering the bunny outfit. Don't like it? Totally legit. But people don't like glamour inequality and making it available is thus better than not making it available. Just let the folks who do want it be happy. If you don't want to use it, you're not affected by this at all. People complaining because SE gave the community something it asks for only sends the message that SE should stop listening to the community.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

You should quit while you're ahead... or at least before you make this hole any deeper.

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It's the truth. Now that they actually did it, watching all the people shocked at what they got and desperately trying to make a version attractive to and will be worn by straights is pretty humorous. I think its perfectly fine they did it the way they did it. I do think a lot of people got a bit of an education in what happens when you ask for something, though.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Please just stop before you get yourself banned. For real. I don't want to see you booted off the forums over this, we can always use contrarian voices around here. :)

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Well, then you are going to have fun telling me who exactly wanted this bunny suit now that I am wrong, since everyone seems to be horrified it exists, lol. As for contrarian voices, eh no one wants those.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Completely ignoring the queer people telling you otherwise in this very thread.

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But go off I guess

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Meanwhile Balmung keeps asking for crap while we could be getting content.

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