Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

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Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Hence by now people should realize majority rules unless your building a group. Just go with the flow, farm tomes, xp, shards, eventually you will get silver chest. People are just picky and don't realize, technically SE made it so it's solo able.

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Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

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Gm told me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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Soooo why not ask for FC help? or build a party? Older content can be bit harsh for newer player. There is always options. Mentors, or sprout LS is a great way to find people. New players just need to be guided and speak up for help. As a mentor I can't read peoples minds but when I'm asked for help always help with either advice or help them do runs. Those who speak will be heard, Those who listen will be helped, those who complain and don't act on advice are usually ignored. If people are being picky on who they get at random perhaps shouting or placing a PF request might work better for them. Not to discourage but it's the sad reality in gaming and in life.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with. You seem to forget that those other three people are also there to play their game - not to help your friend. I fully understand that that was an unfortunate situation, but as far as the game is concerend all thats required to progress on PotD floors is to kill enough mobs to open the next way - if someone just went right to the lamp and afk'd, leaving that to the rest of the party I'd fully agree with it being griefing and against the ToS. But unlocking the path - all that PotD requires you to do - and then saying "I'd prefer to progress and two other people are with me, we wont go after chests" is okay. Your friend isnt alone their either and their intrest isnt more important than that of those other people.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

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1) That might be conflicted with their "We cant say anything on those matters"-policy (and I'm not sure how a statistic would help), but okay
2) Clearer rules would be nice, I can agree with that - then again... what more of a general rule than "Dont harm other people" do we need, really? Do you want them to have a rule that says "You may not speed run"? And since we're always dealing with people here it might be sensbile once in a while and a GM needs to look into the problem anyways to see if a rule applies or not...
3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?
4) I assume that would create more issues than it would fix - by splitting the DF into more categories the shortage of tanks and healers would most likely increase and I can see this leading to more "toxciety" (as in: a person queuing up for speed runs, because that queue is faster, but not actually being able to do them, so the rest of the party insults them for holding them back - with the actual backup that they queued for a speed run)

I'm pretty sure they are aware that there are problems within the PvE-playerbase (hence why they wont give us a parser for example), but they're not considered so extreme or dont occure so often that they actually feel they have to do something about it - and from most of the runs I'm doing I can totally see why. Maybe its my datacenter, dont know, but I barely get people that I even want to report...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with.

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Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?

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I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?


I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

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What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways to approach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?

People tend to not communicate in PotD. If I want nothing but XP, I just go to the portal because I've noticed it tends to encourage people to head towards the portal as well, even if rooms are left undiscovered and chests are left ungotten. If they go off on some grand adventure and it takes too long, I'll go see if I can speed it up, or if they ask to make sure we get silver chests or whatever, I'll comply. I'm not terribly picky. However, my default behavior in the absence of such requests is to simply clear a path to the cairn and hang out there in hopes that people decide to follow in order to get in and out as quickly as possible. The only exception to this is floors 91-100, where I like to open all of the chests until I get a Pomander of Resolution because I've very nearly gotten to the boss without one in some runs where we skipped virtually everything and that would be inconvenient, especially with some lower, less skilled, or less coordinated groups.

In a random party, majority rules. If the majority want to speed run then it becomes a speed run. If you don't like that then you need to form a premade. They're free to afk at the exit once unlocked if they don't want to look for chests. You can't force them to. And you don't get to decide what the intended way to play is.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways toapproach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?

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If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

yeah diadem was not well thought out to allow kick to be viable, it is needed in some cases, but they do not let replacements to come in.

Baning chat in PvP is not a fix, that is one of the worst arguments I ever heard. It does not work in feast, it does not prevent toxicity. I seen MORE toxicity come out from the change, provoking people to abuse spam the messages and make alts to the different servers to talk to them, etc.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

In a random party, majority rules. If the majority want to speed run then it becomes a speed run. If you don't like that then you need to form a premade. They're free to afk at the exit once unlocked if they don't want to look for chests. You can't force them to. And you don't get to decide what the intended way to play is.

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No it is not, that is called greifing and impeding progress of new people/ people that need silvers. You can't greif people jsut because the greifers are in the majority.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

yeah diadem was not well thought out to allow kick to be viable, it is needed in some cases, but they do not let replacements to come in.

Baning chat in PvP is not a fix, that is one of the worst arguments I ever heard. It does not work in feast, it does not prevent toxicity. I seen MORE toxicity come out from the change, provoking people to abuse spam the messages and make alts to the different servers to talk to them, etc.



No it is not, that is called greifing and impeding progress of new people/ people that need silvers. You can't greif people jsut because the greifers are in the majority.

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It's not griefing when people refuse to help you. PoTD is a free for all just like diadem. Kicking anybody for refusing to help is abusing the kick functionality, making you the bad guy. The only objective in PoTD is advance to the next floor.

This is almost the same argument as saying speed runners in leveling dungeons are griefing because they skip mobs newer players need to level up. The only objective in a dungeon is to clear it.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

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If someone makes it clear that they rather progress with the content and you run off, making that impossible for them you're hindering their experience and "holding them hostage". I can only assume you dont understand me.
PotD isnt your ordinary dungeon and as long as that person afk'd as soon as the main objective - unlock the path by killing x mobs - it becomes a matter of difference in playstyle. You dont seem to understand that because for you getting silver chests is the main reason to do PotD when its not - all you have to do to clear that content is kill X mobs, unlock the path, progress. One person running off on their own is hindering the other three from doing that. They are playing the content, because playing the content means: Unlock the way, proceed, get to the boss, kill it - it does not include a full clear/get all the chests.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to play PotD (except for, well, killing the needed mobs to progress) and if the majority wants to progress I doubt any GM would rule in favour of your friend and tell them "But you have to help that person!"
Your friend is disrupting their experience of a "speed run" as much as they are disrupting your friends experience of a full clear. Since both are absolute valid ways to challenge that content, its a tie - and more a matter of "difference in playstyle" than a violation of the ToS.

I'm sorre to hear our experiences in Feast have been so different then lately - again, still not super happy about the remove of the chat, but I dont consider it to be that big of a deal as you try to make it...

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

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While the issue exists in PvE as well, it isn't directly fueled by the content itself. The issue with PvP is people expect perfect play, but it's impossible because the other group is unpredictable, unlike PvE fights where enemy rotations are scripted and pre-planned.

I think the biggest issue here is OP would like to enforce the PvP "silence" to PvE content, but it does more harm to PvE than it does PvP. PvP, you can easily go onto voice chat with a preset if you wanted, but in PvE, you can't just go and join someone on voice chat, so chat has to stay there. And I think that's the biggest issue, because it would result in even more 'silent' harassment, such as kicking without warning, etc.

Pushing PvP "silence" will more or less gimp the ability to complete content, because at that point, you can't even tell strats to newbies, resulting in even MORE toxicity. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

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And then you go and say this. "Let's make everything even more toxic!" basically.

So...is this about pve with a hidden pvp agenda or pvp with a hidden pve agenda


or did OP had a bad day and decide to generalize the bad experience as status quo for potd?


Cuz...if having a bad time in potd is the norm in your everyday life...mayhaps you want to look inward? Or go outward and seek another server?


Cuz personally, the ratio of Great and Average potd runs I've had far outweigh the bad ones to say that my community is toxic and SE needs to do something about it. My condolences to people who just keep having a bad day, day after day, EVERY DAY (/pats OP).

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

It's not griefing when people refuse to help you. PoTD is a free for all just like diadem. Kicking anybody for refusing to help is abusing the kick functionality, making you the bad guy. The only objective in PoTD is advance to the next floor.

This is almost the same argument as saying speed runners in leveling dungeons are griefing because they skip mobs newer players need to level up. The only objective in a dungeon is to clear it.

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No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

While the issue exists in PvE as well, it isn't directly fueled by the content itself. The issue with PvP is people expect perfect play, but it's impossible because the other group is unpredictable, unlike PvE fights where enemy rotations are scripted and pre-planned.

I think the biggest issue here is OP would like to enforce the PvP "silence" to PvE content, but it does more harm to PvE than it does PvP. PvP, you can easily go onto voice chat with a preset if you wanted, but in PvE, you can't just go and join someone on voice chat, so chat has to stay there. And I think that's the biggest issue, because it would result in even more 'silent' harassment, such as kicking without warning, etc.

Pushing PvP "silence" will more or less gimp the ability to complete content, because at that point, you can't even tell strats to newbies, resulting in even MORE toxicity. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.



And then you go and say this. "Let's make everything even more toxic!" basically.

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You just posted why baning chat in PvP is more harmful then PvE. In PvE the fights are scripted, you do not need to "talk" in PvE. A lot of times people just say "go google it" anyway.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Don't like it, run a matched party.

Does it suck? Yeah, but there are ways to fix it- the problem is the same as running roulettes on duty finder. It's not SE's fault.

Do those experiences you listed suck? Yeah, but I wouldn't call them common. Report them for harassment if they actually did harass you, but ultimately your most potent tool in your arsenal to stop this from happening is to just talk to them at the beginning of the run and ask. Then if you can't come to an agreement, one of you can leave.

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it more common then you think.

Play 10+ hours a day like my g/f does, and you will see how bad NA community can get. if you play less then 5hrs ofc you don't think it will be common though.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

You can report them & action will be taken. Please stop using every topic for a moan about PVP chat. It's *not* the place, nor the time. Serious issues can end up being neglected by derailing the topic.

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Right. OP talks about seeing a bad thread on the topic, but decides to create another bad thread on the topic.

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

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Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but as an outsider looking in, OP seems the most toxic in the thread. Everyone has brought up very real good points and OP is just like "NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DOING IT MY WAY."

THAT SAID.

OP, I think you are sorely mistaken. Unfortunately when you queue into the roulettes with a party that is not preformed, that means sometimes you have to conform to how they want to play. It is up to the party what route they will take, if it be to get all the chest or to ignore them all its up to everyone not just one. It doesn't make them toxic if you don't get your way all the time, yeah it sucks when you want to do things a certain way... but I mean... POTD can be soloed too... Slower, yeah but if you can't play nice with others... Sometimes we get to run and do everything, sometimes people skip stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

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Seeing how many other alternatives we have for weapons in this game (some are being better than either type of PotD-weapon; just to mention a few examples here: ilvl230 bought with tomes+midas drops, relic, pvp-weapons, drops from several ex-primals, shire weapons, crafted weapons, raid drops) I dont agree with your statment that the main objective of PotD is to get a weapon. Seeing the weapon as a side effect of this content is as valid as seeing exp as a side effect. Or seeing the loot as a side effect - one could even argue here that some loot is exclusive to PotD so that has to be the most important thing (and in conclusion a party has to search every pixel of the screen for hidden treasures and open every gold chest for pomanders). Same goes for shards.

One reason to run PotD isnt more valid or important than another one, therefor its up to the party to choose how thy want to play - and why do I have to repeat this so often?

Just because YOU think that one part of the content is more important than others doesnt make it true and it doesnt make people toxic to disagree with you and tell you that they'd like to play differently.

To everyone pulling the "but we have to help new people"-cards: I generally agree with you that everyone should try to make the experience of this game as pleasent as possible for everyone. But that does not mean that we always have to sacrfice our intrests for a newbie. Their goal doesnt become more important than ours just because they're new. Is it nice to help a fellow player out? It certainly is. But its nothing anyone has to do - and choosing not to help isnt flate out rude. No one has to help anyone and I dont think that SE needs to force us in any way to do that - besides from not knowing how that would even be possible I can only see it leading to more problems...

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

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I fully understand how PotD works - but as I already said: Its very nice to help a fellow player, but its not rude to prioritize your own intrests and say "No, sorry, I dont want to go after silver chests, I rather progress quicker" - if the majority of the party agrees with that thats sad for the one person who would have liked to get chests. Maybe they'll have more luck the next run - when there are three people who want chests and one person with 99/99 who tages along this time even if they'd prefered to go faster.
Thats DF for you - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If you want to make sure it always goes your way: make a preformed party. Otherwise be preprade to go for a compromisse or be overruled because your intrest isnt shared by the rest of your team - And thats okay! Those random strangers do not owe you anything!
Again: Its nice when they go out of their way - but its totally okay and "neutral" if they dont, not toxic. It doesnt make them horrible people, it makes them people who have their own intrests.

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

it more common then you think.

Play 10+ hours a day like my g/f does, and you will see how bad NA community can get. if you play less then 5hrs ofc you don't think it will be common though.

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Oh no, I play with my girlfriend when I'm not working. Just the other day, I was running some trials with her and we got Steps of Faith, and the tank accused me and her of "buying our accounts" when we told him to chill after he flipped his lid one wipe in(No coordination for dragonkillers; happens, we had some new people).

So we kicked him because he was insulting literally everyone else there. If everyone else agreed, we'd just leave. Problem solved. No need for a forum topic with vaguely concealed rhetoric about a different subject at all. Everybody wins!

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

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People understand how it works. They don't care. They're not obligated to do what you want. I'm sorry if that sounds mean, but it's the reality. Have you tried politely asking? I've found most groups are pretty willing to accommodate if you simply tell them your intentions (and the intentions aren't unreasonable), or at the very least are willing to be patient while you wrap up your business on a given floor. If they really don't want to wait, oh well. You really shouldn't have too much of a struggle upgrading your aetherpool in time to progress, unless you're spending it mid-save file.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

One reason to run PotD isnt more valid or important than another one, therefor its up to the party to choose how thy want to play - and why do I have to repeat this so often?

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This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

It is not ok just because you have it all and grief the person that does not. The DF is not for "Maybe they'll have more luck the next run" plus you need to get enough silvers to be able to do the runs. So you are greifing people that need silvers by impeding their programs to save 5 minutes, that is beyond selfish. Speed runs should be in PF only while DF should be as intended, I believe yoshi-P said the same thing when the game was 50. (because back then people where ignoring new people/ min level geared and harassing them over it, especially when the "under geared" person was a healer. At that point it is not because the person did not want to speed run but was physically unable to.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.

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No i do not, see above why. When you get speed runners and silver needers in the same df, it is ALWAYS!! the speed runners greifing the chest people, saying they will afk, insult them with names or force fail the run because they do not get their way.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

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Most speed runners will be running 51-60. Everybody should already have pretty adequate gear levels by then.

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

If you want all silvers, speak up. You got rejected by majority? At least you tried. You are still getting other silver chests and they are getting their speed run.
If I was going for a speed run but had three other players that want silver chests I will for sure help them rather than wait at the portal.

Just because things are not going the way you want, doesn't mean it is bad. What's bad here is you thinking that you are always right and people should go out of their way to make you happy by playing the way you want, while you are not willing to do the same in return. That is selfish.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

If you want all silvers, speak up. You got rejected by majority? At least you tried. You are still getting other silver chests and they are getting their speed run.
If I was going for a speed run but had three other players that want silver chests I will for sure help them rather than wait at the portal.

Just because things are not going the way you want, doesn't mean it is bad. What's bad here is you thinking that you are always right and people should go out of their way to make you happy by playing the way you want, while you are not willing to do the same in return. That isselfish.

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All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

I explained before in my last post, ALL people need to agree to speed run when used the duty finder, PF is a different story. So if you DF and 3/4 people want to speed run while the 4th wants to do it normal, then the 3 are greifing the 1 especially when the 3 (or 2 v2 pairs) you force them to speed run (I am afking if you dont speed run) or MPK/fail the run them because you want to speed run or insult them when you want to speed run if they can't for whatever reason. (Would you try force someone to speed run a 50-60 when they have say 22 arm and 14 armor?)

Impeding someone's progress because you want to save 5 mins is selfish.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

I explained before in my last post, ALL people need to agree to speed run when used the duty finder, PF is a different story. So if you DF and 3/4 people want to speed run while the 4th can't for whatever reason, you are greifing the 4th. the DF was not intended to force speed running on people.

Impeding someone's progress because you want to save 5 mins is selfish.

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Actually, there are no rules in DF, it has no set way of how things are. It goes by what the majority want. You can't expect other people to speak up, you have to. If no one else in the group had a problem, then thats the way it goes.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

All the speed runners me and my friend ran into (and all the speed runners that did the harassing) ignored ALL chests, even if they ran right next to the thing. I am making it sound the exact thing I experienced.

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Actually they pick up chests because the want items. Items help clear things faster. They are even going for the Hoard and using items to make mobs drop chests.
I don't know how unlucky you were with that run but that is something I have yet to face myself.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

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It depends. If it's not obvious to me that anyone in the group needs silvers, I tend to just never click them for any reason since if we're all capped it's just going to be a mimic or an explosion or a waste of time. Granted, I'll usually ask if anyone needs silvers first in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It depends. If it's not obvious to me that anyone in the group needs silvers, I tend to just never click them for any reason since if we're all capped it's just going to be a mimic or an explosion or a waste of time. Granted, I'll usually ask if anyone needs silvers first in that scenario.

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It does depend but in most of my runs, always see healers or ranged picking them up while tanks and melee are pulling mobs.
I also notice what weapon each party member is carrying :)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

It started to be SE's fault when they removed PvP chat. Now I need to ask why nothing is being done for PvE harassment, since it happens more often and more extreme actions happen like MPK.

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Hmmm and how would this have been prevented by having no chat in PVE? The comparison is daft the reason chat was restricted was due to the abuse in PvP. Yes people should grow a thicker skin but at the end of the day some are delicate snowflakes.

Now did you report them for harassment? Cause if you didn't then there is your answer SE is doing nothing about it. This week I have done quite a few runs in POTD some wanted speed runs and some wanted to grab/clear everything. So much easier to just go with the flow and do what the majority wants. If you are not happy with this then leave and eat the penalty.


End of the day if you don't like the risk of maybe getting a speed party. Then create a PF group with people who want the same thing. Albeit this works vice versa if you are not happy with the chance of kill all/chest groups then put it in PF.

I've had really weird experience today in POTD where this Lalafell Dragoon thought I could magically be a PLD and complained that I didn't use clemency on my alt which was lvl 17 Gladiator... and started griefing and throwing the game by using all pomanders and pulled all mobs. He decided to rage quit after.

But another weird experience I had was when there were so many players who refused to explore everything and kept telling me and other player to hurry it up because we are seeking for silver chests and exploring to see if we didn't miss anything. We even missed three Accursed Chest because they yelled at us for not speeding it up. So I spoke up that I would like to find silver chest, and they were laughing about it and said "lol where have you been since launch of POTD" "you should have gotten max stats and had it ready by now." - Like ... excuse me. Not everyone has done POTD, but I did. But no one has capped the stats like they did, and even my main hasn't capped it yet.

Just fit yourself to the play style of the party. If the playstyle doesn't allow for special snowflakes then I guess it's tough darts.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

It started to be SE's fault when they removed PvP chat. Now I need to ask why nothing is being done for PvE harassment, since it happens more often and more extreme actions happen like MPK.

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I keep seeing PVPers say this but as a PVE primary and casual PVPer, I haven't experienced this (besides skip soar or disband, anyway, which shouldn't be a problem tbf)? :o Honestly I have been in a lot of speedrun groups in PotD and find that a full clear isn't really necessary, even if I do want chests. It's faster just to go with the flow and requeue and snipe chests here and there. You wont NEVER run into them. Besides, a lot of groups are pretty chill and will grab chests anyway.

Let's flip this around: The intended way to play PotD is for all 4 players to stand in the Cairn of Passage and progress to the next floor. When you refuse to stand in the Cairn of Passage, you are disrupting the other players' experience, and by your own logic you are breaking the TOS.

(That clause of the TOS is clearly referring to Disruption of Services attacks. I don't know how you made the leap in logic that it had to do with other players not playing how you want them to.)

You're right! We should remove all normal chats and replace them with generic things! Anywhere you can type!

You want to skip Soar on Zurvan EX? That's toxic to the bad DPS and healers that only heal! No more party finder comments!

You want to tell someone how mechanics in a dungeon work? Hope your generic phrases can communicate accurately!

Recruiting for your FC by shouting? Incoming spam as individual stock phrases explain what your FC does!

And all those poor, poor ERPers. Why do you want to hurt the ERPers? They didn't do anything to you (or maybe they did...)!

There. We've encompassed the entire game. That's a lot to take in.

So how difficult is it to PvP with just stock phrases? Is it really that hard? Meteors needing to be placed in a specific locale? Protect an NPC or you fail? I can see how stock PvP chat could get annoying when you can't tell people when to stand in floor goop and when not to stand in floor goop.

Sincerely,
Kiriah Aishi
Toxic Player Who Thinks "You're an Idiot" Should Be in PvP Stock Phrases

P.S.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me.

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Watch out, we got someone from Tumblr here.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

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Based on? Intention is a made of player interpretation. It's no difference than trying to force a healer to DPS or tanks deciding to pull the entire dungeon. Whoever sets the pace, determines the run. PotD is meant only as a free-for-all where new players can easily participate with friends they otherwise couldn't if they're behind level wise. If one person wants silvers and three don't, you can either go off and search for them yourself or accept the other three aren't going to help clear out every room to look. You can't force them. All you're attempting to do is draw parallels to the PvP chat ban. I'm no fan of it either but imposing more restrictions elsewhere isn't going to undo it.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

You just posted why baning chat in PvP is more harmful then PvE. In PvE the fights are scripted, you do not need to "talk" in PvE. A lot of times people just say "go google it" anyway.

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It's more harmful TO PvE, than it is PvP. Are you ignorant or something?

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

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Because I was hoping that I could make you understand that there are several reasons to run PotD and that your friend isnt more important than three other people. Those three other people are there to play their game and if they are waiting at the passage and your friend doesnt join them and follows her own agenda instead your friend is disrupting their game at that moment.
But I see now that its pretty useless to explain this to you again - you wanting or prefering something doesnt make it the norm. PotD is a very valid source of exp and saving 5 minutes from a 20 minute run makes the difference of getting 3 or 4 runs into an hour. No random stranger is playing the game for your friend and no random stranger has to. You have a very weird defintion of "griefing" - those people arent "speed running" or skipping chests because they want to harm your friend but because they value their own progression more than yours. They're not playing the game in a way that wasnt intended - again: All you need to do in PotD is to kill X mobs, light the lamp, proceed. Anything else is a bonus and the group decidedes if they want those boni or not.
If anyone wants to be sure that they'll get a party with like minded people they should make a PF or go in with friends - otherwise its majority rules in DF and both sides have the risk of being overruled. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

Losing a majority vote isnt harrassment - I understand that you're siding with your friend here, because, well its your friend, but that doesnt make them the most important person in a DF run full of strangers who'd rather go on with their run instead of wasting time on something they dont want or need.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's more harmful TO PvE, than it is PvP. Are you ignorant or something?

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OP thinks its unfair that PvP gets different treatment than PvE... without making any sense....

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers.

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That is strictly your opinion.

If XP was a "side bonus" then why is the content available to lvl17+ whether solo or with a group up to 4?
Why has the Producer/Director of this game in many interviews now stated "It is one of the quickest ways to get XP/LvL in the game at this time."

Doesn't sound like a side bonus to me.