STOP ask for exclusive things to obtained in other way

i completely disagree. due to the lack of time i get to play, it meant i could either a) spend all my time for every season only doing pvp or b) actually make progression in the game.

I don't have time to do both so there is physically no way i can get these mounts. look at the matches played. some people played 250 matches. thats 33 hours worth of doing PvP alone!

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I 100% agree with this, my contribution to the discussion was:

Lets not talk about removing rewards because that is bad practice instead lets talk about:

- Asking the devs for a decay system
- Asking the devs for a more robust reporting system and moderation
- Asking the devs for the restriction that only one character per account per datacenter is allowed to be ranked
- Asking the devs for a token system so that mounts from previous seasons can be obtained in future seasons if you don't like that seasons rewards (promotes the idea that the reward can always be obtained while still keeping the reward as a PVP ranked prize)

I was prompty ignored amongst people saying "I hate PVP" while also demanding the rewards. Yes the ranking system is broken but lets demand the devs fix it rather than demand the rewards because even mentioning the rewards, or any other request is illogical and frankly entitled.




For the record, rank egoism doesn't exist in this context because the rewards are confined within the PVP bubble where their intended purpose is to promote competition. Hell, saying something like "it's egoism" is just an excuse for being entitled, you haven't earned those rewards, nor do you need those rewards. Nobody is rubbing their rewards in your face just by having them, they are just a trophy that has been earned, and whether it is timed or not those that earned them deserve them, and those that didn't do not. Not to say that PVP doesn't have problems (as outlined above), but your use of the term egoism is horribly misplaced.

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- Asking the devs for a decay system - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for a more robust reporting system and moderation - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for the restriction that only one character per account per datacenter is allowed to be ranked - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for a token system - asked for & ignored

The biggest problem here is SE ignoring win traders, ignoring speed hackers and ignoring the PvP community in favor of minion collectors and people who want to ignore chat and ignore the rules. As it appears that SE does nothing about cheaters in LP or solo and has basically said "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" by introducing a new kit that effectively turns you into a speed hacker; perhaps everyone should do exactly what SE suggests. Have fun in future seasons of feast.

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I think the problem I have is that I am ignored by the devs and the community. If PVPers push harder (like this thread) to keep rewards in place but improve systems, then the devs will listen. Remember the outcrys for weeping city to get nerfed? remember the public outcry of threads countering these to keep the difficulty as is? That was a good victory for the midcore community.

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I don't have time to do both so there is physically no way i can get these mounts. look at the matches played. some people played 250 matches. thats 33 hours worth of doing PvP alone!

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That is the expectation. Your personal life isn't really an argument against feasability. Raiding is a massive time investment but we shouldn't take rewards away from that (and no, unsync isn't an answer because these PVP rewards will likely have a similar system in 4.0)

I'm sorry but when SE decides that PvPers are worth their time, meaning that SE will ACTUALLY punish win traders and hackers then maybe i'll agree that people should put time and effort in. This arguments one sided as people are win trading at "dead server times" and the worst part is the people who are win trading, all they have to say is "hey i'm teaching this person how to PvP!" and it won't be investigated whatsoever.

I have a friend who plays during the late hours of Primal where there are some teams queing up, and there's just people fishing for ques and then instantly decline a ranked pvp match. If you did this in WoW or any other arena based PvP MMO you would lose rating indicating it would be a loss I'm appalled that SE hasn't even bothered caring about ranked PvP yet you have people who say "hey just try harder and you'll get the rewards". So it's okay for these win traders and hackers to get the exclusive 1 time only mount? It's okay for a blm to cast 5 Fire IVs on my whm in under 1 second on each cast and there's no way to heal it?

I've stopped trying to push rating after season 2 because of it and it's no surprise that the same problems haven't been resolved it's a joke on the already dying LP PvP people who actually want to try and win rather than the people who win trade on a daily basis. I just play Shatter/Seize and Feast with my friends now as i've lost the drive and willpower due to LP PvP it really friggen sucks I wish SE would actually care instead of giving out rewards without any evidence at all.

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Pretty much the same as you, I got sick of hackers and wintraders, and I just do 8v8 feast with friends, and frontlines now. I was just about to have an aneurysm when I was doing rated pvp back in season 1. It sucks when you're in the top 10, and go on a losing streak from hackers.

The problem with the pvp season mounts is that they are time exclusive and have a limited amount available. If anyone could get them that just reached a certain rank per season that it would not be much of a problem because it would still be time restricted but anyone that puts their time into it can get it. With the system now you can put in all the work and still get nothing because its also only available for a small amount of players. And if there are even cheaters in this that are not punished..well even less of a chance.

How I would find it nice:

- Give them to the top xx players but at the same time make them a achivement. Not something like "win x amounts of feast matches" but more like "win x amounts matches in a season for xx amount of seasons". This would mean that top players still get their price after one season but every other one can take the longer way and grind for it. This would still make it quite rare since you need some dedictation to win and it would need more than one season. This makes the PVP also longer alive since people need to play in the seasons yet anyone can say that they leave one out and try it next one or something.

-Give top players the price and anyone that gets to a certain rank will get a coin per season; with that coin you can trades things, one of them is the mount. You could also say that you need four coins per mount which means that someone has to play and rank four seasons to get one mount. So if I want all four mounts I would need to play 8 seasons as solo and a group and get a certain rank..I am quite sure that this would take quite the work and time but people would at least get a realistic chance to own them someday and people who earned them in season 3 and 4 have enough time to show them off.

My problem is that some people on this forum even said that they went into this with their alt character to place another one high, yet this means that anyone that is not top pvp wont stand a chance and on top of that since next season the mounts will be with a different color the same people will go at it again. I dont want to take away the mounts from them and I am quite sure that anyone that puts in their time legally have earned it. I just dont like the idea that somehow we cant get new glamour and other things because its expensive and yet at the same time somehow its completely fine to create four mounts that are owned by only a small amount of people. With the changes I wrote, you would still have these people with their mounts for quite the time and at the same time more can earn it later. Something like this would even motivate me enough to farm PVP but with the situation right now..you barely even stand a chance if you do something else than pvp or are not perfect pvp player. (Or just bad luck if you do it solo)

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I'm sorry but i really don't understand why you should care if you can't get a mount that other people have which you can't or don't have. If you didn't put the time or effort to get it that's ur fault really.

Everyone should not all have the same mounts if that happened there will be no individuality in this game. Some things should stay exclusive in my opinion. If you really want that time exclusive mount put the work in and get it.

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If you really want that time exclusive mount put the work in and get it.

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And when 100 other people on your data center do the same and just happen to be born with a better skill endowment, that doesn't matter because you still go home empty-handed.

That's the fun of competition: "Anyone" can be a winner, but not "Everyone". Goes for real life as well - We only have so many resources on earth, so if the first world countries use the majority of those, the rest will have to make do with what's left and have a living standard to match. Not everyone can be rich, in order for rich people to exist others have to be poor. "Hard work" at best can increase your own share, but it can't increase the amount of resources - you have to take those from someone else.

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Because my sub fee is being used to subsidise a fringe group of players, a lot of players in this game seem to want the rest of the player base to support there ego trip.

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My taxes pay for people who are seriously ill even though I've not been seriously ill in my life, but screw free healthcare right?

Your sub pays for a wide variety of content for different players, some like competitive play, some like raiding, some like housing, some like crafting, some like gathering, some like gold saucer and some even like messing around in zones with glams, hairstyles, emotes and the group cam feature. Not everyone will like all of these things (in fact I know very few that participate in them all regularly), so maybe get your head out of your rear end and realise that maybe its you that is having the ego trip.

Playing devil's advocate:

Why should players be required to store extra game assets that they'll never be able to use in the form of missed time exclusives? That consumes bandwidth (from SE's slow patch servers), hard drive space, RAM when another player uses it in the area, and depending on the form of asset, extra CPU and GPU time to render. We should have the option to disable timed exclusive assets that we no do not ourselves have access to! This feature would replace those assets on our clients with comparable assets. Exclusive mounts become chocobos. Exclusive minions become wind-up airship. Exclusive outfits become starter outfits.

I wouldn't actually want this, but I play on a PC that doesn't break a sweat with FFXIV. It actually would be a useful feature on PS3/4 where the memory budgets are tighter.

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Every1 had a chanche to obtain it, if people didn't bother about it ( aka ignore pvp) or if they failed to reach top 100 it doesnt mean they didnt have the way to get it

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When the reward is locked to 100 people only, it isn't everyone having a chance, it's 500 people having a guaranteed reward while the nearly 400,500 rest of populace gets zilch.

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My taxes pay for people who are seriously ill even though I've not been seriously ill in my life, but screw free healthcare right?
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Not really the same thing.

Given that PS3 support ends when Stormblood begins, that will be a non-issue.

Much the same, if you don't ever get everything you want in this game, but you still enjoy it, then not getting it is a non-issue. I competed, I didn't place. I've actually never placed top 100 despite having the skills to be on par with, if not better than some of the top 100. I don't have any of the previous season's rewards, and I'm okay with that. I still very much enjoy PvP in this game.

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When the reward is locked to 100 people only, it isn't everyone having a chance, it's 500 people having a guaranteed reward while the nearly 400,500 rest of populace gets zilch.

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Zilch: A mount for every primal, weapons for every primal, new gear every patch (as opposed to the 2-3 patch gaps between PvP gear), new items to spend currency on (see the gear comment), new "maps" (dungeons, special content, raids, etc.), ANNUAL special events, side quests, and frequent, timely content support and updates. . .

. . . And that's just battle content.

Don't you dare say you get "zilch". PvPers and PvP content barely get anything but scorn, avoidance and barebones support from both the players and SE themselves. And now that they're FINALLY getting something nice for once, you're getting "zilch"? Don't even.

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The Hellhound mount is not rewarded from any of the content you listed, that's the point I'm trying to make.

Make it be rewarded by 1,000 feast wins, or 1,000 kills in feast, or 1,000 assists in feast. Make it be rewarded by the system it uses. I'm not saying PvPers don't deserve any rewards, but everyone should have a chance at getting the reward if they are able to put in the time and effort as the ones who did the competition did, but not as soon as the season is over, my personal choice would be 5 years after the season, but some people might say that's pushing it, but 5 years is a long time anyways so...

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Zilch: A mount for every primal, weapons for every primal, new gear every patch (as opposed to the 2-3 patch gaps between PvP gear), new items to spend currency on (see the gear comment), new "maps" (dungeons, special content, raids, etc.), ANNUAL special events, side quests, and frequent, timely content support and updates. . .

. . . And that's just battle content.

Don't you dare say you get "zilch". PvPers and PvP content barely get anything but scorn, avoidance and barebones support from both the players and SE themselves. And now that they're FINALLY getting something nice for once, you're getting "zilch"? Don't even.

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PVP probably has had the most rewards of any single bit of content in Heavansward (I think it's now on 3 full gears sets, 3 glamour sets, 9 mounts (counting season 4 rewards) and 6 minions, that's hardly Zilch

I agree with what most have said in that there's nothing wrong with items being exclusive to certain things.

Not being able to get certain things hasn't been something that's bothered me before. I don't raid, for example, but I wouldn't start saying it's unfair that I can't get the mount from raids.

It's the same principle with things like PvP mounts. Do I want them? Of course, but I didn't take part in season 3 of the Feast, so of course I won't be able to get them. The whole point of rewards is that they're supposed to incentivize people to do content; why ever take part in the Feast if you can get the top 10 rewards without it?

PVP in this game isn't even great. All I see is whining here.

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I agree with what most have said in that there's nothing wrong with items being exclusive to certain things.

Not being able to get certain things hasn't been something that's bothered me before. I don't raid, for example, but I wouldn't start saying it's unfair that I can't get the mount from raids.

It's the same principle with things like PvP mounts. Do I want them? Of course, but I didn't take part in season 3 of the Feast, so of course I won't be able to get them. The whole point of rewards is that they're supposed to incentivize people to do content; why ever take part in the Feast if you can get the top 10 rewards without it?

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Wise words.. The problem with this game will always be the same : i want this , i want that , i want it for free , i don't like the way to get it , 2 weeks ago no1 really cared about these mounts .. Now that ppl saw the mounts.. Hueee huee i want it too!

I don't really care about exclusive stuff. What bothers me here is that SE took a highly requested mount from the community and placed it as some timed prize in some half assed attempt to get people to play their poorly balanced and designed PvP.

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The whole point of rewards is that they're supposed to incentivize people to do content; why ever take part in the Feast if you can get the top 10 rewards without it?

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And they utterly fail in that regard because only 650 people can get them, which means participating is absolutely pointless for the vast majority of the population by design, especially the people that actually need an incentive to queue up in the first place, since those likely aren't PvP regulars and consequently can't compete with regulars.
Heck, the Anima questline wouldn't be remotely as popular if only the fastest 650 to finish would get the weapon in the end either. The limitation kills the incentive function.

Garo was an incentive that worked - Instant queues all day. I wager 8vs8 Feast currently is also quite lively thanks to the Assist/Kill minions, though I haven't bothered checking yet. Top X rewards are just a waste.

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Wise words.. The problem with this game will always be the same : i want this , i want that , i want it for free , i don't like the way to get it , 2 weeks ago no1 really cared about these mounts .. Now that ppl saw the mounts.. Hueee huee i want it too!

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Void-Ark-Mount

"2 weeks ago no one cared" 22/02/16 is a year ago.

Only reason that thread has 5 posts is it got moved to website feedback & discussion, which really doesn't make sense???

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Garo was an incentive that worked - Instant queues all day. I wager 8vs8 Feast currently is also quite lively thanks to the Assist/Kill minions, though I haven't bothered checking yet. Top X rewards are just a waste.

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Garo is the only reason I started PVP, and I'll probably stop once I've farmed up everything I want. PVP is actually fun, but without the glamour incentives, there are other things I'd rather be doing. If those incentives were restricted to top 100, top 10%, or something like that, I wouldn't even bother. I'm frankly not good enough at PVP to be competitive. Maybe with enough effort I could be, but the risk vs reward factor for even trying for competitive PVP reward makes it a bad time investment for me.

That being said, I don't begrudge having winners. PVP should probably reward the 'best'. The current win-trading prone system fails at finding the best, but it could be done in theory. I'd much rather not have the rewards time-locked though. Make the rewards repeat every 'season'. Allow winners to choose a previous prize over a newer one. I think that would serve as a better incentive anyway. If there is must have reward for you, you can try, and lose...then try again next season!

Why isn't everyone in this thread also pushing for the two legacy mounts (Goobbue and Legacy Chocobo) to be available as well? Or even the time gated whisper a-go-go mount? Push for everything if you're going to try to take away a reward that people worked hard for over 4 months!

inb4 "legacy stuck with a bad/dying game!"
Would you not say PvP is bad/dying and those that got the mount stuck with it?

inb4 "But they paid sub time to get it!"
I paid 4 months of sub time over the pvp season

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Void-Ark-Mount

"2 weeks ago no one cared" 22/02/16 is a year ago.

Only reason that thread has 5 posts is it got moved to website feedback & discussion, which really doesn't make sense???

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still 5 post how does that prove ppl cared before lol

Even then, how do you define "the best" - is it

- People who have the most time to PVP (and win by sheer time investment)
- People who have the best luck in PVP (since you're relying on the skill of 3 other players to help you win -- see also: getting carried.)
- People who are legitimately good at PVP and are grouped with 3 others of equal skill (the REAL best).
- People who wintrade or use speedhacks/ACT overlays and all that nonsense in PVP to cheat and climb their way to the top.

The thing is, the ranking ladder doesn't care. It just calculates a number. So you can look at the faces on the leaderboard and know that some are legitimately good, and others got there by way of the other means. Should they be rewarded for that?

If you could earn tokens that you could redeem for previous Feast items, that would incentivize PVP a whole lot more than it is right now. The winners of previous seasons have had their moment in the spotlight. We see their titles and armor and minions and mounts and we congratulate them for it (at least I do). Opening up the door to let others players have the same opportunity without relying on time/luck isn't about belittling your rewards - it's about giving those who want to try, in this massively multiplayer game, the chance to tackle these challenges too.

(Also for those that say only a few people wanted the hellhound, go see my original post on the General chat forum - I've linked to all the other instances where I and others have asked for a way to obtain it).

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Why isn't everyone in this thread also pushing for the two legacy mounts (Goobbue and Legacy Chocobo) to be available as well? Or even the time gated whisper a-go-go mount? Push for everything if you're going to try to take away a reward that people worked hard for over 4 months!

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you get a Goobue mount from doing the Sylph quests? I don't know about the legacy chocobo, but if the only difference on that one is armor (as near as I can tell), I'd be all for a way to earn that, as well as some other 1.0 items that are hard to get.

I think people aren't rallying for the Whisper mount because it looks like a glowing sperm car. The hellhound looks awesome.

PVP is bad because the system is broken and needs an overhaul. It is definitely not dying, thanks to GARO.

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We don't pay all the same sub. Some have a exclusive livetime discount ^^

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I don't know about the legacy chocobo, but if the only difference on that one is armor (as near as I can tell), I'd be all for a way to earn that, as well as some other 1.0 items that are hard to get.

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another armor, another feathers, a tattoo. Cost 3 months sub.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150109070834

I think the only 1.0 "exclusive" items that the devs should bring back are the dated gears that every class can wear.

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still 5 post how does that prove ppl cared before lol

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"Only reason that thread has 5 posts is it got moved to website feedback & discussion, which really doesn't make sense???"

Someone doesn't read. :rolleyes:

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"Only reason that thread has 5 posts is it got moved to website feedback & discussion, which really doesn't make sense???"

Someone doesn't read. :rolleyes:

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Tbf,the only people in that discussion are me and the OP and I like it being in ranked PVP :rolleyes: Also, Exira could be right, maybe people didn't post because they didn't care? I don't ever remember there being a burning desire for these mounts until they were introduced in pvp, and my reaction back then was "sure, why not"

Also cool, I'm in a thing from a year ago :D

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I like it being in PVP :rolleyes: and maybe people didn't post because they didn't care?

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Never said I wanted it out of PvP, but I suppose that was in response to rewarding it in PvE from the old thread.

I'm pretty sure it being in the wrong section is why people didn't post but I'm not gonna argue about that. xD

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PVP probably has had the most rewards of any single bit of content in Heavansward (I think it's now on 3 full gears sets, 3 glamour sets, 9 mounts (counting season 4 rewards) and 6 minions, that's hardly Zilch

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Are we really going to try to play tit for tat here? 3.5 and the Garo event brought a lot of stuff, yes, but if we're talking Heavensward alone:


PvP Gear (Max): i180 in 3.05, i205 in 3.25, now i235 in Patch 3.5
PvE Gear (Max): i210/215 in 3.05, i240/245 in 3.25, now i270/275 in 3.5. . . with plenty of dungeon, raid, alliance raid, and crafted gear filling the gaps between 210 and 270 in every major patch. Let me also point out the lack of anything for PvP between 3.25 and 3.5.

PvP Mounts: NOT including the GC Warsteeds or the original black ADS - All from ARR - there's the Gloria mount from the Feast, the White ADS from Shatter, the Season 3 Hellhounds, and now 3 Garo mounts. 3.25, 3.3, now 3.5; when you consider that many of these are achievement based rewards from content many people simply choose not to do, it's no surprise they remain somewhat "exclusive", the Garo mounts being the exception as they were made easy enough to get within a day. 11 mounts total.
PvE Mounts: All 7 Primal mounts, all 3 Gold Saucer mounts, the Griffin, the Manacutter, Midgardsormr, the Black Chocobo, the Asterope, the Pegasus, the 2 PotD mounts, both Alexander Savage mounts, all 3 beast tribe mounts, and the Firebird. . . This does NOT include Mogstation, special event, Recruit-A-Friend, and region exclusive mounts for a total of 24.

Should I even get into Minions? Orchestrion Rolls? Materia? PvP definitely does NOT have the most rewards of anything in Heavensward, and what we do have must be worked for. The issue lies in people not wanting to work for them, yet crying foul that they don't get 2 out of a possible 11 PvP mounts (again, Heavensward only) despite the 24 they can get without even thinking about PvP. But yeah, everyone else gets "zilch" right?

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Based on what grounds or experience? A quick search showed no results of PvP rewards of any kind, and achievements aren't visible. So, opinion aside, what makes it not great? Let's compare notes.

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But yeah, everyone else gets "zilch" right?

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Considering that nothing you list is relevant to the original "zilch" comment, uh...yeah.

The correct counterargument to the original comment is:"No, even if you do not place top 100/30, you still get accessories. Therefore, everyone who participates in the Feast Rankings but does not place top 100/30 does get something and since something is more than nothing, the 400k+ players you were referring to consequently don't get 'zilch', but accessories."

Simple, logical, relevant.

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Considering that nothing you list is relevant to the original "zilch" comment, uh...yeah.

The correct counterargument to the original comment is:"No, even if you do not place top 100/30, you still get accessories. Therefore, everyone who participates in the Feast Rankings but does not place top 100/30 does get something and since something is more than nothing, the 400k+ players you were referring to consequently don't get 'zilch', but accessories."

Simple, logical, relevant.

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This person and their logic. Get outta here! Don't you know being triggered is more fun?

Please go back and see the original "Zilch" comment. Page 6, first post. Also the person quoted listed PvP rewards saying PvP has the most rewards of anything in Heavensward. I simply provided factual evidence otherwise. Moving on. . .

Overall, there should never be any complaint of not getting PvP rewards, especially if someone didn't, or doesn't want to compete for it. And for those that do compete, you'd better have or quickly attain the fundamental understanding that:

1. You won't always win.
2. Even if you give your best, someone else's best may at times prove better.
3. You are not entitled to the spoils of victory unless you're the victor. (As an addendum: You are NOT entitled to the spoils of victory if you cheat to win.)

Season 3 is done. People who fought for it have their mounts. If you want one, better train up and fight in Season 4. End of story.

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Please go back and see the original "Zilch" comment.

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When the reward is locked to 100 people only, it isn't everyone having a chance, it's 500 people having a guaranteed reward while the nearly 400,500 rest of populace gets zilch.

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The first thing you notice is that it's not fully specified and factually not correct. It's not 100 people, it's 130 people per data center, hence 650 people total. The poster omitted the reason for the multiplication. However, he is completely right that everyone not those 650 does not get the reward, regardless of whether they engage in Ranked Feast or not. He is wrong that they get "Zilch" - People not in the top 650 get Accessories if they participate in Ranked Feast.

The reason your rant was irrelevant to the matter is because the poster above is referring solely to Ranked Feast and the Top 100 rewards - Other content has no bearing.What the other person you quoted did is respond to that rant, which already wasn't relevant to the first comment. To his comment, your list was relevant and I haven't stated otherwise - but it isn't relevant to the original comment and bringing it up again is thus pointless.

Gee, I feel like a semantics teacher now >_>
You're right, moving on.

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Also the person quoted listed PvP rewards saying PvP has the most rewards of anything in Heavensward. I simply provided factual evidence otherwise.

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Spare the semantics and the faux cheeky act. Relevant to the original quote, no, and you're right on that. To touch on the original quote however, what's particularly wrong about competing, not winning, and NOT getting a reward because you didn't win. Did you compete? Did you win? I did, and I didn't. And I hardly feel like I got nothing for it. However if the reward is all it's about, well that's perhaps a difference of outlook and honestly a personal issue. Call it abstract, but I feel I got more out of Season 3 than any of them, controversies and disappointments aside.

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Season 3 is done. People who fought for it have their mounts. If you want one, better train up and fight in Season 4. End of story.

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^ I may just requote this to save time from here on.

EDIT: Never mind, the devs said it themselves.

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Are we really going to try to play tit for tat here? 3.5 and the Garo event brought a lot of stuff, yes, but if we're talking Heavensward alone:


PvP Gear (Max): i180 in 3.05, i205 in 3.25, now i235 in Patch 3.5
PvE Gear (Max): i210/215 in 3.05, i240/245 in 3.25, now i270/275 in 3.5. . . with plenty of dungeon, raid, alliance raid, and crafted gear filling the gaps between 210 and 270 in every major patch. Let me also point out the lack of anything for PvP between 3.25 and 3.5.

PvP Mounts: NOT including the GC Warsteeds or the original black ADS - All from ARR - there's the Gloria mount from the Feast, the White ADS from Shatter, the Season 3 Hellhounds, and now 3 Garo mounts. 3.25, 3.3, now 3.5; when you consider that many of these are achievement based rewards from content many people simply choose not to do, it's no surprise they remain somewhat "exclusive", the Garo mounts being the exception as they were made easy enough to get within a day. 11 mounts total.
PvE Mounts: All 7 Primal mounts, all 3 Gold Saucer mounts, the Griffin, the Manacutter, Midgardsormr, the Black Chocobo, the Asterope, the Pegasus, the 2 PotD mounts, both Alexander Savage mounts, all 3 beast tribe mounts, and the Firebird. . . This does NOT include Mogstation, special event, Recruit-A-Friend, and region exclusive mounts for a total of 24.

Should I even get into Minions? Orchestrion Rolls? Materia? PvP definitely does NOT have the most rewards of anything in Heavensward, and what we do have must be worked for. The issue lies in people not wanting to work for them, yet crying foul that they don't get 2 out of a possible 11 PvP mounts (again, Heavensward only) despite the 24 they can get without even thinking about PvP. But yeah, everyone else gets "zilch" right?

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This isn't a PVP game, the PVP content forms part the content much as raids do and it gotten more rewards than raids got and any other single bit of content. If your expecting PVP to get as much attention as everything else in the game you are never going to be happy with it.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

What makes it not great?

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The fact that nobody plays it? The fact that developers themselves have said they plan on changing everything about it? Not really hard to figure out that it isn't great.