So I heard you wanted a Hellhound Mount....well..

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Originally Posted by Radacci

did you actually do any pvp? :)
anyone can do savage as well, but not everyone can clear it, it's same with pvp.
comparing bronze tier pvp with diamond, is like comparing FATEs to raids.
you need to be even more skilled as a PVPer, than raider, because you're actually fighting other ppl....who are smarter and not scripted like raids. you don't need to be skilled to do savage, you just need to memorize a pattern, and move accordingly.

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You get 2 season to try to place on the top 100. So thatd technically 200 players who can get the mount reward.

Better in the feast than a China exclusive

Honestly i believe anything SE will do now with the mount will bring salt.

If they make it available to whoever achives say gold in PVP wintrading will be the norm. if they make it top 100 the rest will be salty cause its really hard to get it. If they make it "farmable" people will take the path of less resistance and will make Regualar PvP players salty.

SE, stop trying to make PVP happen! It's not going to happen!

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

About the look of the mount, it's not bad but I assume it cannot fly, so it's not as good :p

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Yeah.... about that
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/

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While I can't offer any details just yet, I am able to say that this mount can fly!

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Yeah.... about that
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/

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Incoming people ask for logic of how hellhound can fly.

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Originally Posted by Eul

Incoming people ask for logic of how hellhound can fly.

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ikr,
Hellhounds are actually known to fly or float in folklore. Specifically the Black shuck.

"A hellhound is a supernatural dog in folklore. A wide variety of ominous or hellish supernatural dogs occur in mythologies around the world. Features that have been attributed to hellhounds include mangled black fur, glowing red eyes, super strength or speed, ghostly or phantom characteristics, and a foul odor"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ble_Wunder.jpg

"Black Shuck or Old Shuck is the name given to a ghostly black dog said to roam the Norfolk, Essex, and Suffolk coastline. Black Shuck is sometimes referred to as the Doom Dog."
"This devil dog was said to have black fur, flaming eyes, sharp teeth and claws, and great strength."

"Sometimes Black Shuck has appeared headless, and at other times he appears to float on a carpet of mist. According to folklore, the spectre often haunts graveyards, sideroads, crossroads and dark forests. Black Shuck is also said to haunt the coast road between West Runton and Overstrand."

"All down the church in the midst of fire, the hellish monster flew, and, passing onward to the quire, he many people slew,"

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I don't mind time-limited exclusive rewards. I also don't mind rewards being locked behind some sort of challenge or competition.

What I don't like is rewards locked behind both at the same time as it leaves many players with absolutely no chance of ever acquiring it no matter how much they try. I'm hoping this mount will be a recurring reward and not a one-off for this season.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I don't mind time-limited exclusive rewards. I also don't mind rewards being locked behind some sort of challenge or competition.

What I don't like is rewards locked behind both at the same time as it leaves many players with absolutely no chance of ever acquiring it no matter how much they try. I'm hoping this mount will be a recurring reward and not a one-off for this season.

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"In a previous episode of the official Japanese PvP stream "Adrenaline Rush TV" Yoshida mentioned that the rewards for the Feast will drastically change every two seasons. "

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Sadly its only going to be available for seasons 3 and seasons 4. Seasons 5 and Seasons 6 will have a new reward.

Season 1 and Season 2 reward was gear, they mentioned at Fanfest that items from pvp are exclusive to whatever season they come from. I think it was Joe never fails and Bayohne himself that commented about this on stage during the PVP Tournament at fanfest.

It sucks that so many mounts are gated behind content only a small minority of the player base even participates in :/
That said, I really don't care about the Hellhound and even if I did I wouldn't pick up PvP for it.

Was there any confirmation on stopping win trading and alts getting to the top? I stopped the feast back in 3.2 after one week because I already knew something like this would happen given past experiences in the Wolves Den. Once those are addressed I might go back to the feast. Not gonna try if I know people are just going to cheat their way to the top again. The salt is not worth 10 mb of data. Thanks but no thanks SE.

No thanks. They don't really stop the win trading and cheating. I don't really care...tried the pvp many times, but its always the same outcome.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Did they ever do something about those boosters a few months back? Last I heard they got the reward for that season anyways with no repercussion in terms of GM involvement.

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Wintraders got removed from ranking page and lost all rating further more they received a warning/ban on their ffxiv account. So ppl dont even try to wintrade x)

PvP Feast Rewards are pointless for a simple reason: Win Trading

And most people who play Ranked is for E-peen Leaderboards only, not because they care bout the rewards.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Wintraders got removed from ranking page and lost all rating further more they received a warning/ban on their ffxiv account. So ppl dont even try to wintrade x)

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You can get multiple warnings on your account before you get a temp ban, losers will keep cheating, or they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

It happened with Triple Triad, it happened with the Feast, and will keep happening.

Even if for a miracle old Wintraders didn't cheat again, there will be new even if just for this mount.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

It happened with Triple Triad, it happened with the Feast, and will keep happening.

Even if for a miracle old Wintraders didn't cheat again, there will be new even if just for this mount.

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Kinda funny rewards are pointless cause of wintraders who get resetted and banned anyway? So savage rewards are pointless too because people buy clears etc.? super logic there

I know but Im just saying whats the point of wintrading if u get a warning and ban + dont get the rewards (btw you can receive only 1 warning then it goes straight 24hr>72>perma depending how hard perma or a ban can be faster)? Also PvPers already know each other mostly if someone is in top ranks for the first time and no one saw that name before its kinda obvious that they wintraded. Also in savage raids you have

I dont get people its available in season 3+4 you have time to get better and try in season4 there are mounts/gear etc. I will never get cause I dont do certain content why should it be a bad thing that stuff I like get finally nice rewards (the gear was nice too but still). People are like "blabla bla I cant get it " but there are other mounts locked behind pvp and no one cared about it. Yes sure its locked behind the top players and alts of the top players take up spots but thats what they get for spending time in pvp to get better etc.ppl complain there is no incentive for players to do pvp but since feast season 1 there is people just dont want to put time in it to get better.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Kinda funny rewards are pointless cause of wintraders who get resetted and banned anyway?

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You have a source?

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

You have a source?

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Source? There were like 8-10 ppl in light party on EU chaos datacentre who wintraded one of them were even #1 (never did pvp before and ppl posted chat logs of them how they setting up ) Guess what they all disappeared.

I can call out all of them but since I would receive a ban for that I dont

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Source? There were like 8-10 ppl in light party on EU chaos datacentre who wintraded one of them were even #1 (never did pvp before and ppl posted chat logs of them how they setting up ) Guess what they all disappeared.

I can call out all of them but since I would receive a ban for that I dont

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Still doesn't mean people won't keep doing it, not everyone knows the consequences of doing it, and like i said new people will jump into the Feast just for the mount.

Anyway it'll be a grind, because it's limited in quantity so people will grind it to make sure they have a spot in the leaderboards.

I've grinded my ADS on Adders (EU), by far the hardest alliance to get Wins on EU, but i didn't give up, i still use the mount today.

I don't see anything special about this mount, i guess SE is just trying to throw a bone and see how many will go for it, because let's be honest, previous rewards were awful in the Feast.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Still doesn't mean people won't keep doing it, not everyone knows the consequences of doing it, and like i said new people will jump into the Feast just for the mount.

Anyway it'll be a grind, because it's limited in quantity so people will grind it to make sure they have a spot in the leaderboards.

I've grinded my ADS on Adders (EU), by far the hardest alliance to get Wins on EU, but i didn't give up, i still use the mount today.

I don't see anything special about this mount, i guess SE is just trying to throw a bone and see how many will go for it, because let's be honest, previous rewards were awful in the Feast.

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Your opinion I personally like the coat from season 1. I played on EU server until recently I know how adders is but the point is you cant really grind the hellhound mount like this and when ppl realise it they will most likely stop trying. Sure people will still try to wintrade but they will stop after getting first penalty.

To the salt mines!

The only mount I want from PVP is Gloria.

This shows how SE completely fails to see what its community needs are and why content is being played or not, adding a mount, something many will like, yeah sure, will encourage the influx of players for a few weeks for the next season, but since the feast is still terrible, that influx will surely drop and we will be back at square one. Giving modes, any modes, special-one time rewards isn't the way to encourage people, if SE were to put the effort they do into making pvp fun instead of "restrectively rewarding" much more people would be enjoying it. Think about the seasonal rewards, they are silly, instead of giving for example, unique one time only rewards each season, give players the freedom, as they move up in the ranks, to get rewards, every season of any season they want. For example, if i get into diamond during season 6, allow me to pick any diamond level reward from seasons 1 through 6 of my choice.

And get rid of that 100 players rewarding, make it so reaching certain ranks allow for the rewards.

-Broze: Bronze Accesory.
-Silver: Silver Accesory + Boots and Gloves.
-Gold: Gold Accesory + Legs and Chest.
-Platinum: Platinum Accesory + Headgear.
-Diamond: Diamond Accesory + Furniture/Mount.

And again, allow us to pick which reward we want from any season, so if players started playing today, they can get wolf rewards from season 1 instead of whatever season 3 is going to bring, give us freedom, choises and more easily gotten rewards and watch the feast be full of people. Players don't want to grind and have their options and rewards limited in PvE, what made anyone think they would like it in PvP.

idk why SE is so obsessed to make everything a long term grind, restrcitive and rarity based reward, if for some weird reason, they think that is encouraging people to do content, this whole pvp (has its been since its introduction) is a testmant that this way of doing things isn't working.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

idk why SE is so obsessed to make everything a long term grind, restrcitive and rarity based reward, if for some weird reason, they think that is encouraging people to do content, this whole pvp (has its been since its introduction) is a testmant that this way of doing things isn't working.

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Thats what the game lacks the most rewards that have value and last for long time. Guess what there are people who like pvp? Why shouldnt they be rewarded like Raiders? Just because the pvp community is small doesnt mean they cant get rewards even the "pve based" ffxiv lacks players that do actual endgame content. Only thing Im seeing here is ppl crying over a mount they cant get even though you can try in season 3 and 4 to get it.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Thats what the game lacks the most rewards that have value and last for long time. Guess what there are people who like pvp? Why shouldnt they be rewarded like Raiders? Just because the pvp community is small doesnt mean they cant get rewards even the "pve based" ffxiv lacks players that do actual endgame content. Only thing Im seeing here is ppl crying over a mount they cant get even though you can try in season 3 and 4 to get it.

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The game doesnt lack long term goals or rewards, in fact, is full of them, everything in this game is behind some kind of grind wall, which actually, is hurting player activity: "Why would i do this if it takes so long and gets replaced later on anyway?"

The problem here is not that people can't get a mount, is that the whole reward structure of pvp and how its handled. You can't encourage people to participate in a game mode when they don't feel they are progressing to a goal cause the reward is months away and isn't really worth the time investment, or maybe, people wanted to get a previous season reward and they can't now cause they started to play this month.

The reward structure of pvp is: messy, prohibitive, unrewarding, unencouraging, and way too exclusive to motivate participation and allow for to to truly develop. There is nothing worse to motivate people to participate in a piece of content than one time exclusive items.

Lets say they release this mount for diamond rank. lets say 1 people per data center get it (following this pvp messed up reward system). They made a mount, for 7 people...? If its for the top 10, then is for 70... Even if its for 700 people. Sorry, but this reward structure is absolutely stupid and anyone thinking about joining pvp just for this mount alone will quit and leave pvp after a few weeks, once again, leaving it dead as it is. Supporting this kind of "encouragment" to the feast is like frontline players supporting GC restrictions because lore reasons.

The reasons why this mount as a reward causes so much salt and is a bad decision on SE's part(imo) compared to raiding are these:

-No some random player who knows nothing about PvP will ever make it to the top unless they are a genius.
-People who are already rank 50 have a biiig advantage over people with lower ranks.
-People who know what melds and what gear to put on will have an advantage
-Win trading
-Alts
-Premade groups(assumption, I don't know if they're allowed
-Class imbalances
-The mount is a limited time seasonal reward put into minority content that only a limited amount of people can get. A verrry limited amount considering its only 100 out of and entire data center.


Imagine if Yoshi decided to put the Edda dress, a requested dress from the forums, as a floor 200 PotD reward that only 100 people can get and its limited time.

This is why this PvP reward cant be compared to raid rewards although both are played by a minority. Raid rewards aren't up a limited time event and only have 100 in stock then bye-bye.

All this does is cater to the top 100 kinda. The top 100 will most likely stay the top 100 and get the stuff. It's like if you make the A12S mount limited to only 100 people. Top raiders will always get them.

Stuff like that is why people are salty

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

The game doesnt lack long term goals or rewards, in fact, is full of them, everything in this game is behind some kind of grind wall, which actually, is hurting player activity: "Why would i do this if it takes so long and gets replaced later on anyway?"

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I meant no rewards that last a long time if its not worth your time deal with it that goes for everyone on here. People should stop acting as if they were entitled to have everything.Other MMOs have such rewards too its just right to give ppl something like this. People dont complain about the system they just complain cause they like the mount I didnt saw any complaints last 2 seasons here where someone said that the gear is unfair etc.. Event mounts/items are limited for a certain group of players for a limited time so. If people actually made the effort reading guides, learning their stuff and practice they could maybe place in top100 in season4 or so. This thread is full of players who want everything for nothing I saw so many complaining in other threads about stuff being cash shop then ingame grind then event etc. Cant please everyone.

YES! Finaly the PvPers get something unique Mountwise. Its about time. Thank you SE.
BTW: Even though PvP has a smaller playerbase we still should get some rewards that PVE'ers dont get. I mean: i never complained about the Alexander Savage mounts only PvE'ers get.

Give them PvP'ers some love.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

YES! Finaly the PvPers get something unique Mountwise. Its about time. Thank you SE.
BTW: Even though PvP has a smaller playerbase we still should get some rewards that PVE'ers dont get. I mean: i never complained about the Alexander Savage mounts only PvE'ers get.

Give them PvP'ers some love.

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Isn't there like 6 PVP exclusive mounts already?

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Originally Posted by Araxes

YES! Finaly the PvPers get something unique Mountwise. Its about time. Thank you SE.
BTW: Even though PvP has a smaller playerbase we still should get some rewards that PVE'ers dont get. I mean: i never complained about the Alexander Savage mounts only PvE'ers get.

Give them PvP'ers some love.

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it's not the only one and there is nothing "unique" about it, as its another reskin, but as you said pvpers do need something to make them feel special, especially for those with not enough skill to do raid content, and pvp is there since it requires a lot less.

But they do have other mounts.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Isn't there like 6 PVP exclusive mounts already?

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Well warsteed, ads and the airship rest are reskins and they are behind content that anyone can win so everyone can get them.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

it's not the only one and there is nothing "unique" about it, as its another reskin, but as you said pvpers do need something to make them feel special, especially for those with not enough skill to do raid content, and pvp is there since it requires a lot less.

But they do have other mounts.

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"its just another reskin" Well its smth not everyone get and there is no hellhound as mount ingame yet so yes unique if you think its just a reskin why complaining? Also those "other mounts" are for everyone reachable which takes no skill. So you say PvPers dont have enough skill for raids and PvP require a lot less skill?


You must have not ever played feast there are enough top PvErs under the top Pvpers. PvP requires more than just following a script like in pve compare healing in savage and healing in 4vs4 ranked feast and you will see what Im talking about. You will get rekt every game even if you are good at savage healing doesnt matter you will be one of those ppl who dies in the first few secs then come back again and say it does require less skill.

Welp, there's another PVP exclusive mount I'll never get.

Don't really like the idea of it having limited availability but I can understand SE wanting to switch up rewards between seasons so players don't quit after they've earned everything.

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"its just another reskin" Well its smth not everyone get and there is no hellhound as mount ingame

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Well of course not everyone will get it, Most people aren't going to bother with pvp for a FENRIR RESKIN (look at the stance it has) so yes, it is, something like the ADS mount was an actual unique mount, because it was it's own model.

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yet so yes unique if you think its just a reskin why complaining?

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lol.. i was complaining?

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Also those "other mounts" are for everyone reachable which takes no skill. So you say PvPers dont have enough skill for raids and PvP require a lot less skill?

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If you honestly think people wacking each other to death in teams is anywhere near raid content, you must have never been outside of roulettes or DF content. Sure there is some learning curves, like anything in this game, but it does not take long to get used to and "master" pvp.

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You must have not ever played feast there are enough top PvErs under the top Pvpers. PvP requires more than just following a script like in pve compare healing in savage and healing in 4vs4 ranked feast and you will see what Im talking about.

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Right, just gang the healer, there is nothing skillful about that, It's not even close. it's like trying to master jumping jacks.
it's easy to be a "top pvper" when there is a serious lack of competition, it's like being in a town populated by only 20 people, and you're the best gardener. I know you are trying but it's just not the same, sorry.

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You will get rekt every game even if you are good at savage healing doesnt matter you will be one of those ppl who dies in the first few secs then come back again and say it does require less skill.

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See above, of course everyone will "rekt" the healer, because it's the smart option..does not mean it takes much skill, other then running a lot.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

it's easy to be a "top pvper" when there is a serious lack of competition

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This, i've played a few MMOs and most people who play PVP on them think they're pro if they are on leaderboards, meanwhile if they go to ANY real Esports game, they're nobody.

Healing in Feast isn't that hard when you have classes like AST that can move and heal, or BLM that sleeps, or PLD that stuns for 1 minute, where's the skill in this? Seriously?

Not to mention the LB in the Feast that's pretty much one shot to whoever has the most medals.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

If you honestly think people wacking each other to death in teams is anywhere near raid content, you must have never been outside of roulettes or DF content. Sure there is some learning curves, like anything in this game, but it does not take long to get used to and "master" pvp.



Right, just gang the healer, there is nothing skillful about that, It's not even close. it's like trying to master jumping jacks.
it's easy to be a "top pvper" when there is a serious lack of competition, it's like being in a town populated by only 20 people, and you're the best gardener. I know you are trying but it's just not the same, sorry.


See above, of course everyone will "rekt" the healer, because it's the smart option..does not mean it takes much skill, other then running a lot.

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Reading this already tells me that you never played pvp and have no clue about it. It doesnt take long to "master" pve tbh new raid content gets easier and easier you follow a script and after first kill u just faceroll farm fights.Healing unpredictable dmg while getting interupted and CC thats imo skill sure raiding is too but saying pvp does require alot less is simply wrong. ...So if its so easy then gl. Im out here for now general discussion is just a huge complain section no matter if its event, pvp, cash shop or a grind reward. no matter where u place the rewards ppl complain.

I am not really sure how this is even good for those that PVP? Its limited that means even if you are dedicated to PVP and played it all the time before that you might still be out of luck of ever getting this..They could make it a PVP wolf marks reward and set the number of marks you need quite high. So it would be reachable for everyone that wants its but still would need work to get it.

Would people be okay if in savage the mount or the gear would be restricted to the first 100 people that beat it (or first 50 people)?

Well who knows maybe the reskin of this will land in the cash shop...because they know a lot of people will want it and most of the players wont get it..with that they create want and bamm its in cash shop in another color somewhere down the line..sorry my cynic side talking.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

This, i've played a few MMOs and most people who play PVP on them think they're pro if they are on leaderboards, meanwhile if they go to ANY real Esports game, they're nobody.

Healing in Feast isn't that hard when you have classes like AST that can move and heal, or BLM that sleeps, or PLD that stuns for 1 minute, where's the skill in this? Seriously?

Not to mention the LB in the Feast that's pretty much one shot to whoever has the most medals.

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Personally I find it quiet amazing how good some healers are which isnt that easy imo. AST is compared to whm kinda meh and blm sleep got nerfed (besides a few blms there are only bad ones in EU/NA). Pld cant stun for 1minute and lb isnt oneshot + got nerfed. Try again bruh

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I am not really sure how this is even good for those that PVP?

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It's a carrot to see if it attracts more people to the Feast.

Personally i gave up on PVP when they removed Rank restrictions from PVP Rewards, and this mount i couldn't care less, but i suppose some people like it so good for them.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Personally I find it quiet amazing how good some healers which isnt that easy imo. AST is compared to whm kinda meh and blm sleep got nerfed (besides a few blms there are only bad ones in EU/NA)

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Sleep got nerfed, irrelevant, there's the standard sleep and pvp sleep, so that's two, remove one get sleeped again.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Pld cant stun for 1minute

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The 1m was an exaggeration, but i guess you're too slow to understand that, still PLD can spam stun so it makes it very strong in PVP.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

lb isnt oneshot + got nerfed. Try again bruh

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So you're saying it doesn't one shot people with a ton of medals?

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Reading this already tells me that you never played pvp and have no clue about it. It doesnt take long to "master" pve tbh new raid content gets easier and easier you follow a script and after first kill u just faceroll farm fights.Healing unpredictable dmg while getting interupted and CC thats imo skill sure raiding is too but saying pvp does require alot less is simply wrong. ...So if its so easy then gl. Im out here for now general discussion is just a huge complain section no matter if its event, pvp, cash shop or a grind reward. no matter where u place the rewards ppl complain.

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Yes, because all those world first groups first go to pvp and then annouce it to the world, Since it on par with raiding. this entire game is based on a pattern that you have to learn and memorize, the skill comes from your awarness and ability to learn quickly, and all those groups wiping on the same content even tho they know what to expect, should tell you, which is why top raiders are very few, pvp is dealing with real people which for the most part can be unpredictable, but then rely on exploits or "easy" ways of taking down your enemy, i have played pvp in many mmos, and this one was not much different, the style does not change, in a nut shell, lower your opponets health before yours, It's not rocket science.

FFXIV does not have some magical, unique pvp that differs from every other MMO game. it's faceroll boring, which is why i stopped dealing with it. yes it takes "skill" but on a very low tier level that is quick to learn. You want skilled competition? try a fighting game, where actual real skill comes into play.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

So you're saying it doesn't one shot people with a ton of medals?

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The point of the game is to not take "ton of medals" then u dont get oneshotted also you can counter lb etc.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Sleep got nerfed, irrelevant, there's the standard sleep and pvp sleep, so that's two, remove one get sleeped again.

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No its not irrelevant cause the sleep is 8sec long and the pvp sleep is 8sec too if its upgraded but they share timers so if u get slept for 8sec (you can get wake up by autoattacks)and u get another sleep its less duration until you get immune. Since every sleep shorter then the first sleep is useless you dont have to remove any of those skills. Also the normal sleep is single target only now.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

It's a carrot to see if it attracts more people to the Feast.



The 1m was an exaggeration, but i guess you're too slow to understand that, still PLD can spam stun so it makes it very strong in PVP.

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I noticed that it was exaggeration no need to be rude but first of all you can only stun a person 4x before the player gets immune this including the shorter stuns like gap closer from dps in your team etc. so pld who "spam stuns " or blm who "spam sleep" are usually the ones who make u lose but yeah if no one cares about the mount we can delete thread.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

so pld who "spam stuns " or blm who "spam sleep" are usually the ones who make u lose

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If done correctly it can turn things around, both BLM and PLD are very strong in PVP

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

yeah if no one cares about the mount we can delete thread.

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I'm sure some people care, but it's not a "special mount" like for example, Fenrir, Kirin, or the upcoming special Bird in 3.5 that we could be "wow".

Collectors will probably attempt to get it, but it's just another mount that almost no one will use once 4.0 drops, Gordias mount was very hard to get, pretty much everyone who got it used to show it off, now it's A12S mount being displayed for epeen, this is an example that once new mounts drop previous ones will stop being used for the most part, no matter how exclusive they are.

For me the ADS mount is pretty special too, it was part of the first End Game raid, and hard to get even when you can grind it.