Roll-squatters, Loot Time Limits and those who never roll.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

That might work for end-of-instance loot, but that's going to result in a lot of complaints regarding mid-instance loot. I would know because I'd be one of the people making those complaints.

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Frankly if you aren't rolling on loot when it shows up and 2 whole minutes is not long enough, that is your problem. People roll need for upgrades, so many, when they get it, will immediately put that item on making thier performance better. Sitting on it because you can't be bothered to hit greed is one of the most annoying things you can do to a person running dungeons for the gear.

I've seen this happen a few times in my newbie dungeons too, it doesn't bothers me too much but it's weird, why do ya all don't roll already? I understand some are all high-level and stuff and don't need the item but other folk do, just roll/pass it.

And then you have people like me that spend up to two minutes agonizing over which drop piece to get because, "boots are higher priority than accs, I know, but if I get the bolt it's a faster upgrade," or "I almost have enough lore to get that piece, but would it be better to upgrade faster or just wait..."

I can never decide. =x=

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

And then you have people like me that spend up to two minutes agonizing over which drop piece to get because, "boots are higher priority than accs, I know, but if I get the bolt it's a faster upgrade," or "I almost have enough lore to get that piece, but would it be better to upgrade faster or just wait..."

I can never decide. =x=

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Plan your gear ahead. I've already planned my gearing for the next 2 months.

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Frankly if you aren't rolling on loot when it shows up and 2 whole minutes is not long enough, that is your problem.

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Unfortunately with many dungeons, the tank(s) are always on the go, allowing little opportunity to check the loot, see what's better/worse, see if you already have it on retainer, etc. before they've already pulled the next batch of mobs. In stuff like the 24-man raids this often results in you getting locked out of encounters. Because of this I often forget to, or simply can't check on loot right away.

And frankly, if you can't handle waiting the 5 minutes the game allots us to roll on loot, that is YOUR problem. You are free to leave the instance early if you wish.

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People roll need for upgrades, so many, when they get it, will immediately put that item on making thier performance better.

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Not a valid enough excuse to be changing the lotting rules. If you entered the instance with a certain set of gear it should be good enough to take you through the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Vurtney

Plan your gear ahead. I've already planned my gearing for the next 2 months.

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But sticking to a strict plan takes the fun out of weighing the pros/cons of what drops! That and I can't stick to a plan that doesn't involve combat.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

Frankly if you aren't rolling on loot when it shows up and 2 whole minutes is not long enough, that is your problem. People roll need for upgrades, so many, when they get it, will immediately put that item on making thier performance better. Sitting on it because you can't be bothered to hit greed is one of the most annoying things you can do to a person running dungeons for the gear.

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I stop to roll on loot, people bitch that I should pull faster or run ahead of me and complain about heals.

I wait to roll on it till I have a few seconds to look at the drops, people bitch about the drops.

I only wait in Alex NM sometimes for the other items being looted if I want something desperately as BiS (won't give a fk after this week probs) and hope that those that "just roll on anything" get any of the other items :3 usually max wait is 1min though because I get impatient then :o

But it is pretty annoying to wait 3+ mins for 1 person whose "postman came"... >.>

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I stop to roll on loot, people bitch that I should pull faster or run ahead of me and complain about heals.
I wait to roll on it till I have a few seconds to look at the drops, people bitch about the drops.

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As a tank myself, i would have to say this is a pretty flimsy excuse when more often than not, you have to choose between greed and pass. If you need more than a GCD to know if something is going to be an upgrade or not then i dont know what to say. Arguing with a brick.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I stop to roll on loot, people bitch that I should pull faster or run ahead of me and complain about heals.

I wait to roll on it till I have a few seconds to look at the drops, people bitch about the drops.

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Do you play on PS4 or PC? Just wondering, cuz as a PC player, I have 0 issues doing both at the same time. Wondering if it's a limitation of using a controller?

60 seconds should be long enough for you to check, try on if need be, and click on need, greed or pass.

It's very childish to hold, thinking others will leave because they will miss 5 minutes of their time to get into another queue..

But hey, it's not only adults that play this game, there's even adultchilds!

Yup, welcome to anonimity; where everyone cares only about themselves, to feel unique, in an MMO game, where everyone can have the same everything than every other ones lol

Keep up the good work folks! (sadly, the % of stupid aren't even reading the forums lol)

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Originally Posted by Edewen

As a tank myself, i would have to say this is a pretty flimsy excuse when more often than not, you have to choose between greed and pass. If you need more than a GCD to know if something is going to be an upgrade or not then i dont know what to say. Arguing with a brick.

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Way to go straight to ad hominem attacks, I guess? As far as rolling on the gear goes, I'm talking more about stuff in the Expert dungeons where I'm possibly looking at glamour gear and I'd like to see what it looks like or what class repairs it before I even roll on it. If I don't like it or can't desynth it, I'll simply leave it to others. I generally just pass low level gear since we can now farm specific glamour pieces solo unsynced. In any case, is it really that much of a problem for people to just let the roll time out?

Either way, if I'm after something specific, I'll happily sit on that Bolt in Midas Normal until the other 3 pieces have distributed. I can tab out and look at cat gifs on tumblr or go afk and get a drink or just sit and BS with my friends in Mumble.

I guess this must be a pretty good patch if this is the kind of thing people are inventing to complain about. xD

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Either way, if I'm after something specific, I'll happily sit on that Bolt in Midas Normal until the other 3 pieces have distributed. I can tab out and look at cat gifs on tumblr or go afk and get a drink or just sit and BS with my friends in Mumble.

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While this sounds fairly insignificant, what if the other people are doing the same thing but sitting on the other X item? Then you just have a stalemate of people waiting for the items they don't want to be rolled on.

Purposely making people wait several minutes, in my opinion, is fairly disrespectful of their time. 3 minutes x 7 people = 21 minuets wasted.

The whole waiting game thing is stupid. Just roll on what you want and pass on what you don't want. It's really not a big enough deal to justify wasting other people's time.

The Midas stuff is only i220 -- you're going to replace it soon anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

While this sounds fairly insignificant, what if the other people are doing the same thing but sitting on the other X item? Then you just have a stalemate of people waiting for the items they don't want to be rolled on.

Purposely making people wait several minutes, in my opinion, is fairly disrespectful of their time. 3 minutes x 7 people = 21 minuets wasted.

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It's honestly largely moot because I queue in a premade for Midas since DF is bad at new content. I think people going in with bad gear and pulling a subpar performance is disrespectful of people's time too, but I don't come to the forums complaining about it.

In any case, even if there's 7 people waiting that doesn't magically increase the amount of time you wait.

Yeah I am seeing this really all over the place. New music scrolls? Ex primal mount? Minion? Yeah sometimes the waiting game. But even if I already have it, and already passed, I won't leave the instance and let that guy think waiting worked. I'll either sit right next to the exit, or just stand around even though I passed. Good time to stretch, drink refill, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It's honestly largely moot because I queue in a premade for Midas since DF is bad at new content. I think people going in with bad gear and pulling a subpar performance is disrespectful of people's time too, but I don't come to the forums complaining about it.

In any case, even if there's 7 people waiting that doesn't magically increase the amount of time you wait.

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I agree that players not pulling their weight are also disrespectful, if they are playing badly due to forethought or intention. If they are just not great players, that is something else.

Similarly, if you roll slowly because of some other concern, that may be more legit. (i.e. maybe your baby started crying, maybe you have a disability, maybe a fire started in your kitchen etc etc.)

I am not sure I understand your last sentence.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Similarly, if you roll slowly because of some other concern, that may be more legit. (i.e. maybe your baby started crying, maybe you have a disability, maybe a fire started in your kitchen etc etc.)

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiYk9TJIEAA1BY5.jpg

Pictured above: a legitimate reason for not rolling right away.

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I am not sure I understand your last sentence.

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You aren't waiting 21 minutes for the roll whether there's 1 person or 7. You're waiting 3.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiYk9TJIEAA1BY5.jpg

Pictured above: a legitimate reason for not rolling right away.

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lol

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You aren't waiting 21 minutes for the roll whether there's 1 person or 7. You're waiting 3.

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I am not waiting 21 minutes, but 21 minutes of people's time are wasted.

No, 21 minutes are not.

The time limit on the rolls is the same no matter how many people are in the party. Another lot doesn't suddenly add more time to the timer.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I am not waiting 21 minutes, but 21 minutes of people's time are wasted.

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I get what you are saying now. Each individually is wasting 3 minutes, collectively added together 21 minutes.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

I never do it on Alexander, but I tend to never loot after the Void Ark's second boss, so people can't leave after getting their lot and if we're fast enough we start the next boss with the loot pool at 30 secs aprox, then when we engage I loot, but they can't leave because we're in combat.

I hate early leavers >_>

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But But I queue in progress for tomes and your making it so I have to start everytime at the beginning.

Honestly I agree with ya.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Actually, you can roll and get same number as other people.

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I've never seen a tie on loot rolls for the same item.

I just flag /afk and go do something else if someone is insisting on not rolling.

I once also had a terrible healer not roll on loot I could need because I "DPSed and didn't help heal" this was 2 weeks ago in moogle HM :x lol didn't realize that was so hard for people.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I often don't roll in lower level dungeons because, well...I kinda want the item, but only if nobody else wants it or needs it for a secondary class (which can only be done with a greed roll). So if everyone passes while I don't roll at all, the item comes to me by default, whereas if I simply passed as well the item would be gone.

Now, if I could see what the others rolled, I could simply greed/pass accordingly. But alas...

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I'm the same here. I very rarely pass anything. And I don't roll on something that I'll just turn in for seals when that same piece could be useful or an upgrade to someone else.

If someone else wants it and rolls that's fine. If not I'll trade it for seals.

I think it would be nice if they had a "greed (GC Seals)" option where if you win it's automatically turned into seals and removed from your inventory.

Can imagine it might be a fair bit of work to implement though

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I'm the same here. I very rarely pass anything. And I don't roll on something that I'll just turn in for seals when that same piece could be useful or an upgrade to someone else.

If someone else wants it and rolls that's fine. If not I'll trade it for seals.

I think it would be nice if they had a "greed (GC Seals)" option where if you win it's automatically turned into seals and removed from your inventory.

Can imagine it might be a fair bit of work to implement though

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Or maybe there could be an option that is simply "I'll take this if nobody else wants it" to keep items from falling to the floor. I always feel bad when that happens.

Actually ran into this. People not rolling trying to make others leave.

The worst this ever happened to me was when Hullbreaker Isle was fairly new, and I went as a bard trying to get the bard body piece. Well, it dropped at the final boss, and the tank sat there the entire five minutes only to have it drop to me because I was able to roll need. What a waste of his time.

Generally if someone tries to do the "wait it out" bs I just start doing the Manderville until they get the point that I'm not leaving.

The fact that you can now see whether players have lot or passed is a start, but it's still not good enough. You don't even know if the players have even passed, so here's the solution:

You should be able to see everyone else's lot result, whether they have passed, or needed or greeded:

To explain:

Players SHOULD be able to see whether people have rolled for the loot, or passed on the loot, ESPECIALLY IF THEY NEEDED OR GREEDED ON THE ITEM.

Furthermore, if the player hit greed or need, you should be able to see everyone else's lot results.

In other words, exactly as FFXI had it.

Oh God. I was once in Alexander and people literally admitted they were not rolling because the drop was "for their friend." That's right. They claimed the damn drop for themselves. So they stood there for a full 5 minutes, not caring that they were being called rude and completely selfish, because the drop was "for their friend."

If you couldn't tell, I support this thread.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

I also think it might be the person only wanting something like the Lens and just rolling on that item, but waiting to roll on the screws in case they lose the lens. But then you got someone who wants the screws, but waiting to see if they have to roll on the Lens and well you got the .gif from a couple of posts up.

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Basically this. It's really annoying when I have to wait 5 extra mins at the end of instance. Thankfully I got mostly crafted so I just roll on everything and gtfo faster

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Originally Posted by Ragology

I try to be first to roll; there can only be one 99!

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The odds are the same regardless of your roll position

Sorry for the multiple posts (can't find the edit button on phone) but whenever someone sits in a roll, I have never seen someone give up and leave.
Logically unless a run takes 1 mins I would never give up, even if I rolled a 1

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'll sit on one roll if I want something specific, in hopes that the other 3 parts are distributed first and my chances are better.

I wish we had an auto-pass option that could be used in lower level dungeons though.

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I was in an A7 group where we wiped about 6 or 7 times. By the third wipe, someone kept trying to Vote Abandon, but we all declined. Funny thing was, all of us were there for the Lens. We finally won, and the guy who was trying to abandon ended up winning the Lens. The rest of us stood there in shock that we didn't even roll on the other items until a few minutes later.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

I try to be first to roll; there can only be one 99!

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This is very much true. The longer you wait, the less chance of a 99 there is going to you.
Yeah it's a 1/99 chance, but once it's taken it's a 0/99 chance.

While I try to roll on everything I admit if I run a dungeon thats below 60 i almost always forget to roll.

It would be nice if we could set it to auto pass on stuff.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

This is very much true. The longer you wait, the less chance of a 99 there is going to you.
Yeah it's a 1/99 chance, but once it's taken it's a 0/99 chance.

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There can be mulitple same rolls - if there are the game rerolls amongst the tied people. So you see you rolled 99 when the final lot is cast you check chat and - you rolled a 1...

I think the long timer was to avoid losing a roll due to cutscenes. Kind of annoying when someone abuses it though.

These type of people make me laugh how they somehow think they are entitled to a piece of gear when everyone put the effort into it and then complain and sit on it when they didn't win due to the system deciding who should get it. Seems to be a recurring thing throughout this game currently. Reminds me of a time in Alex 4 where there was a group of 5 people in a premades group and we defeated the boss.

The items dropped and guess what all 5 of these people started doing, they started spamming macros with all the sound effects on pretty much every second for the whole 5 minutes to get what they wanted. People left in rutt but not me. I stayed there for the whole 5 minutes and just muted my TV and laughed at them whilst i wrote a report out. Selfish selfish people. Oh and they didn't win any of the rolls either which made it even sweeter.

The timers should be reduced to be frank to about a minute then you have no excuse not to roll. Either that or the game automaticallty rolls need / greed for you which is still terrible but it will stop all of this issue.

Seriously getting fed up with the mentality of people in this game lately.

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This is very much true. The longer you wait, the less chance of a 99 there is going to you.
Yeah it's a 1/99 chance, but once it's taken it's a 0/99 chance.

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You're overlooking the fact that when someone else rolls before you and doesn't roll a 99, your odds become 1/98 instead because you now have one less number to potentially draw.

So no, your odds of getting the 99 do not decrease if your roll later.

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There can be mulitple same rolls - if there are the game rerolls amongst the tied people. So you see you rolled 99 when the final lot is cast you check chat and - you rolled a 1...

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I have never seen this happen ever. Pics or it didn't happen plz.