Female Sundrop Dance

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Originally Posted by Eul

I won't bother with your dance until bunny ears can be used for males.

Or maybe the better answer is, go fantasia as male of you want better dance. (Holding the salt shield)

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Oh you! Contributung with your fantasia comments and salt puns in the threads as always!
http://i.imgur.com/PCmN5zd.gif
It kinda makes the imprsesion you are the salty one but I'm sure I'm wrong :o

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Originally Posted by Zojha

If the lightning or flying turtle/fenrir threads have shown anything, it's that people should "not" get over it if they want something changed.

Just keep being obnoxious, if it's not a big thing, chances are you'll get your will eventually.

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So you think the devs were like 'They are creating so many annoying threads, let's give them the thing so they shut up already' ? How is asking for something on the forums being obnoxious? Yeah I get it, it gets annoying seeing threads about the same thing pop up frequently but that just means it's important for a lot of folks and since we get 'the thing' I doubt it was hard/time consuming/whatever to give it to us.
I'd say we are pretty obnoxious about our inventory issues but sadly I don't see getting our will anytime soon :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Croweyes

" If I cry loud enough and long enough, i'll get what I want " Child Logic, thank goodness I was raised better.

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So asking for stuff on the forums is bad parenting now, hmkaaay

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Originally Posted by Velox

Agreed. Makes me sad to think about how far society has fallen when acting like a child is now the "norm."

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And a couple of threads that don't even represent the majority of the players ingame makes the whole society look like a child. Ok.

Y'all sound like old ppl: 'Back in my days we had barely anything and were happy with it! How dare you want the thing! Be happy with what you got bc screw feedback!'
:<

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

It could be so diverese but no, dances and weapon poses have to be gender locked...

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Everyone having everything =/= diversity.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Everyone having everything =/= diversity.

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how so? /10char

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

how so? /10char

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diverse

http://puu.sh/mlemY/a8b737326e.png

XD When people link videos of real women doing a haka and and are like "Its supposed to be like that." I just want to stare at them blankly.

Like. I have no problem with a subdued dance. My problem is the STIFFNESS. Like omg its so bad. Like they're doing the robot. I just want my girl to look like she's into it!

XD PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

The female dance looks great on Roe women. Of course it doesn't look imposing on a toothpick with a dragon tail.

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No. It doesn't. It looks bad on every girl. D:> My muscles do not make me look any better. I still look stiff and stupid.

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

Oh you! Contributung with your fantasia comments and salt puns in the threads as always!

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Serious question not really aimed at you but you bring the point up.

Why is it when male characters want the same glamour options as female characters they are told essentially to either change or suck it up.

but as soon as its the opposite people aren't too kind to that advice?

Just something i've noticed since being on the forums. Makes you think.

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

Oh you! Contributung with your fantasia comments and salt puns in the threads as always!
http://i.imgur.com/PCmN5zd.gif
It kinda makes the imprsesion you are the salty one but I'm sure I'm wrong :o

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I don't mind called salty since I have Culinarian class :rolleyes:
Lol as always? My fantasia comment began when people keep saying go fantasia if you want bunny ears. But who cares, I put bunny ears problem aside for now because of reindeer horn :)

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diverse

http://puu.sh/mlemY/a8b737326e.png

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You gave me the link to the point I'm making, thx!
http://i.imgur.com/EbXH5sn.jpg

As it is now our male and female chars are alike cause they are restricted to certain gender locked emotes etc.
If we get everything we wont be seeing everyone doing the same thing everyone has, it means there is more to choose from, therefore it creates a diverse population - I donät see this being conforming, same or unform in any way

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Serious question not really aimed at you but you bring the point up.

Why is it when male characters want the same glamour options as female characters they are told essentially to either change or suck it up.

but as soon as its the opposite people aren't too kind to that advice?

Just something i've noticed since being on the forums. Makes you think.

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That's not completely true. And I have commented in a lot of male treads to show them support. I want bunny ears and the thav bustier for my boy.

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

As it is now our male and female chars are alike cause they are restricted to certain gender locked emotes etc.
If we get everything we wont be seeing everyone doing the same thing everyone has, it means there is more to choose from, therefore it creates a diverse population - I donät see this being conforming, same or unform in any way

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Everyone having everything is more akin to homogenization than it is diversity. It makes everyone alike in the sense that they all have the exact same options instead of some options differing based on the gender, class, or race of the character.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Serious question not really aimed at you but you bring the point up.

Why is it when male characters want the same glamour options as female characters they are told essentially to either change or suck it up.

but as soon as its the opposite people aren't too kind to that advice?

Just something i've noticed since being on the forums. Makes you think.

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This 'advice' is BS and anyone who comes up with 'Want that thing then go fantasia hurr durr' is an asshat and is not in any way contributing to the discussion
I see many ppl - with f and m chars - saying to drop the gender restrictions but I guess those negative coments are so mindless, they stick out the most >_<

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Originally Posted by Eul

I don't mind called salty since I have Culinarian class :rolleyes:
Lol as always? My fantasia comment began when people keep saying go fantasia if you want bunny ears. But who cares, I put bunny ears problem aside for now because of reindeer horn :)

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Okay, I give it to you 'as always' is an exeggartion :o I did see many salt comments, though they were surely in other threads ^^

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Everyone having everything is more akin to homogenization than it is diversity. It makes everyone alike in the sense that they all have the exact same options instead of some options differing based on the gender, class, or race of the character.

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Theoretically yes. Practically I highly doubt it.
I don't see our diversity when the females all do the same stuff and the males all do the same things. Mix and match is what I have in mind.
I just see no point and reason to not let that dude over there do what that gal can and vice versa.
Some arguments are the dance is based off a rl tradition but also irl nothing is stopping me from dancing the male haka anyway (and do other stuff that is considered 'manly')

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

This 'advice' is BS

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Oh I would totally agree and again not saying you are doing this, just something that I found odd.

I personally have no problem with either males/females getting glamour items/emotes.

Yeah I don't look as intense as males when doing the dance, but that's just how it is. I'm not going to throw a fit trying to impose one cultures idea of political correctness onto another. That's just really really wrong.

Considering we learn it from the Vanu, I'm guessing we learn how the Vanu do it, and respect their cultural differences in their dance.

Think it'd be pretty disrespectful to the Vanu, whom we learn it from, by picketing in Sea of Clouds asking for gender homogenization.

Pffth. I'm a girl, that plays a girl. I don't like the dance, but I'm not bitching at SE to change it. It's based on the realistic tradition. Really, this whining and bitching is almost as silly as men not being able to wear female glamours. I can understand the logic. (Cross dress, drag queens, etc, so I find their concern to be valid.)

The dance isn't just a dance, it's the dance of a warrior, which was generally men back in the day. It makes them look intimidating, etc.

Just shut up with this topic already. Whiners about this dance are almost as bad as the "we want more Lightning events" people before the cash shop announcement.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

The dance looks like crap on the females, tradition or not, which is why I didn't even bother or consider doing the vanu quests. If they change it, I'd go for it, otherwise no. They probably wont change it so I'll ignore this one cosmetic that didn't look that great to begin with.

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Do the quests at least for the exp (and the mount).
around 100k exp each quest on a lv 59 job once maxed the rank to the vanus.

Also, the dance is free, don't cost you anything to learn it and don't have to use it outside of the quests.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Do the quests at least for the exp (and the mount).
around 100k exp each quest on a lv 59 job once maxed the rank to the vanus.

Also, the dance is free, don't cost you anything to learn it and don't have to use it outside of the quests.

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I'll pass on them. If I want to level I'd just run dungeons again, and it'd just be adding more grinds along with more grinds. I really don't like the mount either, its too big for my interests with its tall stance, not to mention it looks awkward to use in PvP. I'd rather ride a miniature Bismarck really. :/

... Wow, that's pretty awful.
Like seriously, the actual haka and the way the female vanu do it looks great, but the way it was translated into the player character's movement is just garbage. They took out all the force and range of motion. They don't have to be the same, they just did a bad job on one. Lazy.

And before you say it, I don't have to shut up about it, and you'll have an easier time moving a mountain than getting me to do so! Your air ain't worth more than mine, sit down with that self-important nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

Pffth. I'm a girl, that plays a girl. I don't like the dance, but I'm not bitching at SE to change it. It's based on the realistic tradition. Really, this whining and bitching is almost as silly as men not being able to wear female glamours. I can understand the logic. (Cross dress, drag queens, etc, so I find their concern to be valid.)

The dance isn't just a dance, it's the dance of a warrior, which was generally men back in the day. It makes them look intimidating, etc.

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I'm a girl, that plays a girl. I don't like the dance and support the change of it - so your point being..?

Also what's wrong with cross dressing? A dress is just a dress and given the options we have u can't be a drag queen in this game even if u tried
I'll never get ppl who call asking, reuesting and giving feedback as whinning and btiching - if you are all so annoyed bc of the threads how about you just don't read them??
Telling ppl to stop whinning and bitching surely wont stop anyone from making the threads so u can all aswell just cut it

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Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo

And before you say it, I don't have to shut up about it, and you'll have an easier time moving a mountain than getting me to do so! Your air ain't worth more than mine, sit down with that self-important nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

https://i.imgflip.com/uu9mj.gif

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My roe looks divine doing it.
I'm a boy that plays girls, and I'm happy with the dance on my characters.
I'm a boy that plays boys, and I'm happy with the dance on my characters.
I'm a boy that plays boys and I am NOT happy with the glamours that my character can't access.

The sad thing is with things, is someone will always like it and someone will always hate it. If you change it to help the ones who hate it, you changed it for those who liked that version...there isn't win win.

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Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo

... Wow, that's pretty awful.
Like seriously, the actual haka and the way the female vanu do it looks great, but the way it was translated into the player character's movement is just garbage. They took out all the force and range of motion. They don't have to be the same, they just did a bad job on one. Lazy.

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This is a point I can agree with. Sundrop is far from perfect, but I can at understand what they were going for. I think it's silly to ask for the male version of the dance, but female's could have been done much better

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

You gave me the link to the point I'm making, thx!
http://i.imgur.com/EbXH5sn.jpg

As it is now our male and female chars are alike cause they are restricted to certain gender locked emotes etc.
If we get everything we wont be seeing everyone doing the same thing everyone has, it means there is more to choose from, therefore it creates a diverse population - I donät see this being conforming, same or unform in any way

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Yes let's take away all the things that make genders unique. Anymore bright ideas you want to suggest?.

Here is a stick, and here lies a horse. Getting my drift?

http://i.imgur.com/DPrsnZs.gif

Gonna whip this out again. It's what the female version of the dance is supposed to be.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

This is a point I can agree with. Sundrop is far from perfect, but I can at understand what they were going for. I think it's silly to ask for the male version of the dance, but female's could have been done much better

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I would like to third this. I don't really mind that they're different. But when I look at the videos of the female Haka, it might be not quite as openly aggressive, but there's an intensity to it that the female Sundrop lacks.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Considering we learn it from the Vanu, I'm guessing we learn how the Vanu do it, and respect their cultural differences in their dance.

Think it'd be pretty disrespectful to the Vanu, whom we learn it from, by picketing in Sea of Clouds asking for gender homogenization.

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I agree. Sadly, it's been pretty bad around here when folks can't learn to respect others cultures.

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Originally Posted by Croweyes

" If I cry loud enough and long enough, i'll get what I want " Child Logic, thank goodness I was raised better.

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Terrible analogy.

The child logic you're referring to is when they want something from someone for free.

This is a business transaction. People are allowed to voice what they'd like from the product. If they can't get it then it's up to them if it's still worth the price. SE can't please everyone, so some will get listened to some won't

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

http://i.imgur.com/DPrsnZs.gif

Gonna whip this out again. It's what the female version of the dance is supposed to be.

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The difference is that the female vanu look into it. They're actively dancing to be aggressive. Female characters however are just going through the motions. "Arm... Arm.. Salute... Salute..." They look bored and very nonthreatening, which beats the purpose of the dance.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

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Why is there a difference? The dance looks extremely awkward without the legs bent, and it's terribly underwhelming when compared to what the Vanu Vanu look like when they do it. Hell, they don't have to give females the male dance, but the way how the dance is right now doesn't do it's real life version any justice. I know it's purely an aesthetic choice, but this really ruins the dance for female PCs.

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i don't know anything about the dance but i know this... DAMN your game looks AWESOME!

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

The sad thing is with things, is someone will always like it and someone will always hate it. If you change it to help the ones who hate it, you changed it for those who liked that version...there isn't win win.

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I would consider both dances for both genders to choose from a pretty big win win :D

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

Yes let's take away all the things that make genders unique. Anymore bright ideas you want to suggest?.

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Aw rude! :eek:

Why do u need to have gender locked things? Does it bother you that irl boys can do everything girls can do and vice versa so you need that pointless restriction ingame??
Since so many ppl are 'the sundrop is based of a real dance' why does this bother so many to let everyone do everything like actually irl??
Do you have any contributing suggestions and arguments yourself or did you just came on here to be sarcastic and insulting? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

snippy cutty choppy

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i was poking fun at that being an excuse because its pure speculation it based on a traditional dance.

and if you see the other thread you would learn that its not the stance i complained about its the animations. BUT when this was first proposed everyone wanted the male 1, no female one was showed or mentioned, and just because trhere is slight inspirations DOES NOT mean games need to follow through 100% they can make up their own traditions and lore based on insiration.

so i think people citing real life need to get over it as the dance is made up, it isn't a spesific dance.

the prrof i was asking for as well was an official statement by Devs saying "the sundrop dance is based on the haka" and other proof being the EXACT dance. People keep citing real life, but offer no real proof outide BAD youtube videos.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

http://i.imgur.com/DPrsnZs.gif

Gonna whip this out again. It's what the female version of the dance is supposed to be.

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thing is if you look closely the vanu doing it to pc doing it look completely different. the vanu knees are bent slightly where as the OP shot the femake looked like a barbie doll stop motion, you can clearly see the foot movements on the female vanu where you can't really tell on a pc character.

Other differences the female arms are slanted out pc arms stick straight up.

also the vanu female doing it looks more fluid the pc looks more jerky.
@ thread

instead of telling people to get over it how about actually consider what is really being said. And what fans were requesting.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

thing is if you look closely the vanu doing it to pc doing it look completely different. the vanu knees are bent slightly where as the OP shot the femake looked like a barbie doll stop motion, you can clearly see the foot movements on the female vanu where you can't really tell on a pc character.

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The female version is on the left side of the picture and is not bending their knees. The vanu on the right side has bent knees.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The female version is on the left side of the picture and is not bending their knees. The vanu on the right side has bent knees.

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The female Vanu has bent knees as well, but hers are bent forward whereas the males version is bent sideways which makes it (the dance) look more obvious and more powerful.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The female version is on the left side of the picture and is not bending their knees. The vanu on the right side has bent knees.

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no offence but.............. -_-; joo blind

I also took dance growing up and know you want your knees slightly bent for more fluid motions. Vanu female the legs are together knees are bents lightly to allow more fluid steps. where males legs are seperated and they are more squatting, this makes the bend look more noticable.

PC characters are straight legged so the movements look more jerky.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The female version is on the left side of the picture and is not bending their knees.

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Kind of yes and kind of no? Their leg structure is completely different from ours. They always have bent knees, because they stand digitigrade (on their feet-talons).
The problem here is that when you're mimicking the movements of an animal (such as in Long Fist Kung Fu), you will need to make changes to your own human stance in order to attain that animal's stance. Tiger movements have your knees bent both because it's a good idea (hard to kick your knees backward and break them) and because it makes you lower to the ground like the proportionally shorter legs of the tiger naturally are, allowing our front-bending legs to create the same crouching, ready-to-pounce position that they have.

Which was kind of just ignored here. So in effect, we're doing a real-life dance that our character has never seen, instead of the vanu-vanu dance that they teach us.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

no offence but.............. -_-; joo blind

I also took dance growing up and know you want your knees slightly bent for more fluid motions. Vanu female the legs are together knees are bents lightly to allow more fluid steps. where males legs are seperated and they are more squatting, this makes the bend look more noticable.

PC characters are straight legged so the movements look more jerky.

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That really doesn't look like bent knees. Also, it looks like bird joints, I'll take a look in game later, when I care enough to give a damn.(apologizes to people who want this so badly. I would like some things I can't have too, so I know the feeling.)

as long as I still have access to the current female one, that i like more I'm fine either way imo.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

thing is if you look closely the vanu doing it to pc doing it look completely different. the vanu knees are bent slightly where as the OP shot the femake looked like a barbie doll stop motion, you can clearly see the foot movements on the female vanu where you can't really tell on a pc character.

Other differences the female arms are slanted out pc arms stick straight up.

also the vanu female doing it looks more fluid the pc looks more jerky.
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instead of telling people to get over it how about actually consider what is really being said. And what fans were requesting.

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The gif posted in this thread is really jerky, and not accurate. The female bird is doing the exact dance that we get as a player. Only looks different as you are comparing a giant bird with a completely different model to that of humanoid characters.

Better gif for you all to compare (from original thread ages ago).
quicker loading gif:
http://i.imgur.com/FDp2aE9.gifv


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