this is getting Ridiculous

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

... it's so darn easy to get max credit just by spamming Medica a few times, even if I can't see the mob.

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...and this is why it is a broken system that needs to be fixed.

I'm not even sure I'm inclined to believe the claim here. You're sayin that after dealing roughly half of the monster's health, someone was STILL able to swoop in and steal aggro? Do you just have the most incompetent tank on the server or something? That'd be like me losing aggro on Leviathan's tail partway through the fight to the healers' Medica II spams or something. And before you say "provoked!" Elite Marks are immune to provoke, I have tested this personally.

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Originally Posted by Edeline

Pretty ironic, don't you think?
Getting seals for doing nothing but wait in town while others spend hours scouting, just because you don't want to miss a single mark to get max. possible of seals asap? No wait, you're right. Damn selfish groups that kill the marks they were scouting for.

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Except a lot of time the large groups have lots of people scouting every zone at once because they can co-ordinate like that.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Except a lot of time the large groups have lots of people scouting every zone at once because they can co-ordinate like that.

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So what? Tough luck to them for not finding the mark first. Hell, not even tough luck. Sorry your 50 scouts are so totally incompetent they can't cover an A rank window before 2-8 people do so they need to reset-steal it and slander the people who did find it as 'selfish' and 'thieves' instead.

The problem with The Hunt is that it belongs to the organised Linkshell farmers and no one else is allowed to touch it unless they say so. If you don't obey Linkshell orders you are blacklisted and banned from The Hunt and likely other stuff too. This culture of forming Linkshells at the exclusion of all others is permeating an adapt or perish mentality in the game. Personally, I've stopped doing 2nd Coil (It should be in solo Duty Finder without the turn lock), I've tried Ramuh X once (why isn't it in solo Duty Finder?), I have never touched The Hunt (because of the above mentality and people who rage over 5 seals). Never got to kill Naul once for weekly count because greedy people have it on farm all day and week. What's left to do...crafting? wait for 2.4? Will just be more of the same. Linkshells and lockouts.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

The problem with The Hunt is that it belongs to the organized Linkshell farmers and no one else is allowed to touch it unless they say so.

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This. I see the same people farming hunts everyday. I managed to get into a decent party today and make a few seals but we just barely got there in time for most fights. It's like these people don't sleep. lol

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

Elite Marks are immune to provoke, I have tested this personally.

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I thought this too when people say they lose aggro to people trying to reset the mark. I mean, how do you lose aggro as a PLD in shield oath after your second or even third RoH combo? Unless you're hunting with an under-geared tank (less than i90), I'm not sure how you lose it. Or as a WAR once initial aggro is gotten.

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Krr

So what? Tough luck to them for not finding the mark first. Hell, not even tough luck. Sorry your 50 scouts are so totally incompetent they can't cover an A rank window before 2-8 people do so they need to reset-steal it and slander the people who did find it as 'selfish' and 'thieves' instead.

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Except they did find it, clearly. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.
At the end of the day, OP, as does everyone on Excalibur, knew the group would be on their way.
That conscious decision to ignore the fact that those people would also be on their way and want Seals is what landed them in this situation. The end result eventually allowed more people to obtain Seals.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Except they did find it, clearly. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.
At the end of the day, OP, as does everyone on Excalibur, knew the group would be on their way.
That conscious decision to ignore the fact that those people would also be on their way and want Seals is what landed them in this situation. The end result eventually allowed more people to obtain Seals.

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What's so hard to comprehend in that the amount of people necessary for the hunt is the 4-8-24 depending on the mark's rank and no one is forced to wait on anyone else. People's action are purely based on greed and selfishness.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

What's so hard to comprehend in that the amount of people necessary for the hunt is the 4-8-24 depending on the mark's rank and no one is forced to wait on anyone else. People's action are purely based on greed and selfishness.

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What's so hard to comprehend that even though they were designed for 4/8/24 people, that lots of other people want credit too?
If they were 4/8/24 people only, the system wouldn't be the way it was, the devs clearly said they made it this way so more people could get credit if they showed up.
You're right, they aren't forced to. But if you know people are coming, you should wait. It's a dick move not to.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

What's so hard to comprehend that even though they were designed for 4/8/24 people, that lots of other people want credit too?
If they were 4/8/24 people only, the system wouldn't be the way it was, the devs clearly said they made it this way so more people could get credit if they showed up.
You're right, they aren't forced to. But if you know people are coming, you should wait. It's a dick move not to.

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They are not forced to wait even if people may come. Forcing people to wait because you want a share is being entitled.

If someone found a vein of gold near where you live and it would be on the news, would you be mad that he wouldn't have waited on you so you could have your share because you know, obviously people will show up if there is something to be obtained ?

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Originally Posted by Dwill

They are not forced to wait even if people may come. Forcing people to wait because you want a share is being entitled.

If someone found a vein of gold near where you live and it would be on the news, would you be mad that he wouldn't have waited on you so you could have your share because you know, obviously people will show up if there is something to be obtained ?

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You're right, they aren't forced to. But it is courteous to do so.
Also your analogy is terrible, Gold is a finite resource, Allied Seals can be earned by everyone that is there and takes part.
If they had waited for the group to show up, everyone would had gotten credit, no harm would have come from doing this. This is where the difference lies.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Because it's fair as hell that only the few of you get credit when there's a ton of others than would like credit too, right?

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Its written hunt, not hey please lets share it all. People blamin others for just playin the game shouldnt even bother to begin with.

And its not like A ranks arent respawnin a couple of hours later.

I wish people would relax and realise that they can hunt for 2 - 3 more months so missin some mobs here and then is not the end

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Am I the only one who read the OP complaining and thought that the person that manged to grab it and reset is a hero? Good job, guy that managed to reset the Mark. Many hunters appreciate your valiant efforts.

On the same token. Shame on you, OP!

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please explain to me how i am in the wrong? how it is fair for them to steal the monster reset it and me and my grp who found it waited for people to join even notified ppl that it was up, gets it stolen and we only get 2 out of the 20 seals we should of gotten tell me how is that fair and we are inthewrong

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its written hunt, not hey please lets share it all. People blamin others for just playin the game shouldnt even bother to begin with.

And its not like A ranks arent respawnin a couple of hours later.

I wish people would relax and realise that they can hunt for 2 - 3 more months so missin some mobs here and then is not the end

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With that logic, OP shouldn't be mad either too right? It's not like they couldn't wait a couple of hours either. Hell like you said, they have 2-3 months to farm hunts.
What's the point of your post?

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

please explain to me how i am in the wrong? how it is fair for them to steal the monster reset it and me and my grp who found it waited for people to join even notified ppl that it was up, gets it stolen and we only get 2 out of the 20 seals we should of gotten tell me how is that fair and we are inthewrong

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How fair is it for them to steal the monster?
How fair is it of you to say "screw them, this is mine alone"?

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Our B ranks fade in and out of existence..... S rank is extremely difficult to even see once before it dies. And saying "only at peak hours" doesn't change a thing because some people can only play on peak hours.

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Ya same here it even happen at 3am does not matter what time there just way to many people.

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With that logic, OP shouldn't be mad either too right? It's not like they couldn't wait a couple of hours either. Hell like you said, they have 2-3 months to farm hunts.
What's the point of your post?

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I was talkin to you actually. Sayin that its selfish to see a mob beein resetted by a lot of other players that weren't even here in the first place so they can get credit is something I just cant even understand

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

I was talkin to you actually.

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I know, but the exact same could be said to the OP too. Your point is irrelevant because either way both parties could have waited a few hours.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

What's so hard to comprehend that even though they were designed for 4/8/24 people, that lots of other people want credit too?
If they were 4/8/24 people only, the system wouldn't be the way it was, the devs clearly said they made it this way so more people could get credit if they showed up.
You're right, they aren't forced to. But if you know people are coming, you should wait. It's a dick move not to.

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the thing is you dont realise alot of ppl are tired of getting crap credit, me and my friends have waited, alowed pl to show up but instead of getin full cred we get crap, it dies so fast that we just cant get enoughdmg in, alot of ppl are tired of waitin for these hunts to spawn, alot of ppl are tired of having thier hunts steamrolled becuase of these large grps

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

I know, but the exact same could be said to the OP too. Your point is irrelevant because either way both parties could have waited a few hours.

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Right my point is irrelevant. Hunters doin the job but beein screwed over the greedy train isn't a problem of design or well, a matter of greed to begin with. But guess you can't fix people

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

the thing is you dont realise alot of ppl are tired of getting crap credit, me and my friends have waited, alowed pl to show up but instead of getin full cred we get crap, it dies so fast that we just cant get enoughdmg in, alot of ppl are tired of waitin for these hunts to spawn, alot of ppl are tired of having thier hunts steamrolled becuase of these large grps

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Then you clearly weren't putting in enough effort. That isn't the groups fault, that is your own. If the huge groups can all manage to get full or mostly full credit in every hunt (and the majority of them do) then that's all on you for not being able to manage it too. I can still manage to get full credit in parties of 4 at hunts, and on my tank I can get full credit solo at times.

A lot of people in this thread need to learn this phrase.
When it's common practise on a server to do things a certain way, you should go along with that and if you choose not to, then don't cry about the repercussions because you ignored it.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With that logic, OP shouldn't be mad either too right? It's not like they couldn't wait a couple of hours either. Hell like you said, they have 2-3 months to farm hunts.
What's the point of your post?



How fair is it for them to steal the monster?
How fair is it of you to say "screw them, this is mine alone"?

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you need to stop assuming we never shouted it out we did, so stop asumin we didnt, but the big grp still reset it and instead of gettin 20 seals we only got 2 so no we are not selfish these big ls grps are

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

you need to stop assuming we never shouted it out we did, so stop asumin we didnt, but the big grp still reset it and instead of gettin 20 seals we only got 2 so no we are not selfish these big ls grps are

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So you shouted out to let people know it was up, then pulled anyway without waiting? Wow, you practically invited them to do this then.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

With that logic, OP shouldn't be mad either too right? It's not like they couldn't wait a couple of hours either. Hell like you said, they have 2-3 months to farm hunts.
What's the point of your post?



How fair is it for them to steal the monster?
How fair is it of you to say "screw them, this is mine alone"?

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They found it, didn't share it, and the horde came and stole it.
There is no sharing obligation. With the last "fix", Bs are designed for 4 people, As are designed for 8 people. If 8 people decide to kill a A rank on their own, the horde has no right to complain. The horde didn't find it (or used radars, but I don't think you want to advertize such behavior, right ?), but the group did. Whoever come after has no right to complain, just as you people "OMGmustzergthemarkcantwait" are usually pulling the mobs before people could come.

I can't count the number of S rank that died before I could even see them, because some LS decided that THEY had waited enough. And yeah I was here before the pull each time. Even the one time I found a S rank by myself, a LS just came and pulled it with no regards at all for the scout (aka : me).


But meh, I already gave up on NA/EU hunting community. No respect for those who find the target, no respect for their choice about when to pull (if the horde ever let them pull themselves...), and constant flaming/bashing because "OMG we were less than 50 on that B rank you useless PoS you're screwing our hunt"

"Your hunt" ? Bah, I'll come back when you have all retired or grown up. Maybe after 2.4

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

So you shouted out to let people know it was up, then pulled anyway without waiting? Wow, you practically invited them to do this then.

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You people should learn from JP servers :

=> a group finds a mark
=> they advertize
=> they pull when THEY find there is enough people
=> people who couldn't get there in time call it a fair game and go hunting somewhere else.


in NA/EU :

=> a radar finds a mark (sometimes a real person comes across one)
=> they advertize
=> people flame/bash everyone who pulls early and keep resetting the mob, even if they never found the target themselves
=> the mark is pulled by some random LS based on a timer they decided on their own, screwing the guys who might have found the mark
=> mob is zerged by 20 times the amount of people needed, most of them not even seeing the mark
=> initial group is screwed, little groups are screwed, LS pat on their back thinking they did great and are truly the warrior of lights, the Heroes of Eorzea by zerging a tiny mole/bat/whatever

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

I would comment something. But I can't take you seriously at all with that broken English.

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Oh yeah, everyone posting in English forums is a native, how rude of us to post here :rolleyes:

I would comment something. But I can't take you seriously at all with that broken English.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

So you shouted out to let people know it was up, then pulled anyway without waiting? Wow, you practically invited them to do this then.

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here you are assuming again, we did we waited till they spawned in then we attacked cause we knew if we didnt get some dmg in we would not get full cred, then hunt was barely even close to 90% health left by the time the train got there so there was plent of health left for the train to attack and get full cred so no we were not selfish we waited we shouted but wht did we get hmm we got it thrown in our faces for bein nice for shoutin it out, so no you can word it however you want, assume whatever you want but you and your so called this is how it shoud be done is extremely selfish and your forcing your opinons and your views onto others, im done tryin to be nice and im tired of getting nothing for it

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

They found it, didn't share it, and the horde came and stole it.
There is no sharing obligation. With the last "fix", Bs are designed for 4 people, As are designed for 8 people. If 8 people decide to kill a A rank on their own, the horde has no right to complain. The horde didn't find it (or used radars, but I don't think you want to advertize such behavior, right ?), but the group did. Whoever come after has no right to complain, just as you people "OMGmustzergthemarkcantwait" are usually pulling the mobs before people could come.

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So much wrong.
Clearly, someone from the horde found it, otherwise they wouldn't have shown up.
Also, on our server we wait for everyone we know is coming to show up before pulling. If you're still on the way, it's literally as easy as shouting "I'm omw please wait before pulling" in the zone, and people wait. We co-ordinate to do it, there are people that have gone to great lengths and spent a lot of RL money setting up a TS so people can all share and get as many people credit as possible. There's always people shouting at hunt sites inviting people to linkshells and giving out the TS info so people can join and also get credit.
You don't even have to join a linkshell or anything to be included.

The OP literally disregarded all that and said "no one but my group matters". If that isn't rude or selfish, when a lot of people are trying to make sure everyone gets credit, I don't know what sort of morality system you're using.

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

when it get resets ur progression on it resets as well and if u got a big ass ls grp tht reset it it will die in a mater of seconds so no u wont have time to get enought hits on it

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This is never the case. Not even with Ss. Your group composition is either terrible or something else if 8 people can't get full credit on something.

With a huge group of people, it takes at least 10 seconds for a B to die since they increased their HP. If all 8 people get in 4 attacks, that's enough for full credit.

Also.. Leviathan is not exactly a small server. It's one of the largest US ones.

Going by xivsoul

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Because it's fair as hell that only the few of you get credit when there's a ton of others than would like credit too, right?

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Your logic just justifies what you do right? Ever hear of good sportsmanship? The point is they found it first they were killing it. The other group could have joined in and be done with it. Instead they stole hate and reset the NM, that is griefing and dirty behavior. If it is a soloable NM there is no excuse for you to say well, you should have been in a group. Again excusing poor play by other players. There is no justifying interfering with someone elses gameplay because you feel entitled to steal a mob to reset it for your benifit. Excuses excuses excuses for poor players.

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Originally Posted by Wulfyn

Your logic just justifies what you do right? Ever hear of good sportsmanship? The point is they found it first they were killing it. The other group could have joined in and be done with it. Instead they stole hate and reset the NM, that is griefing and dirty behavior. If it is a soloable NM there is no excuse for you to say well, you should have been in a group. Again excusing poor play by other players. There is no justifying interfering with someone elses gameplay because you feel entitled to steal a mob to reset it for your benifit. Excuses excuses excuses for poor players.

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There is no justification for screwing over people you know are on the way. Both parties were in the wrong in this situation.
At least the result allowed more people to earn credit than if no reset had occurred.

I have no idea why so many people are defending what was a selfish decision to screw over a group of people that were on their way.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

So much wrong.
Clearly, someone from the horde found it, otherwise they wouldn't have shown up.
Also, on our server we wait for everyone we know is coming to show up before pulling. If you're still on the way, it's literally as easy as shouting "I'm omw please wait before pulling" in the zone, and people wait. We co-ordinate to do it, there are people that have gone to great lengths and spent a lot of RL money setting up a TS so people can all share and get as many people credit as possible. There's always people shouting at hunt sites inviting people to linkshells and giving out the TS info so people can join and also get credit.
You don't even have to join a linkshell or anything to be included.

The OP literally disregarded all that and said "no one but my group matters". If that isn't rude or selfish, when a lot of people are trying to make sure everyone gets credit, I don't know what sort of morality system you're using.

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that goes both ways actually becuase what if ur grp found it first then it would be that your grp would matter first, then wht if i stole it and reset it and you got crap cred then that mean your in the wrong becuase you didnt wait for me and others to join hmm?

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

that goes both ways actually becuase what if ur grp found it first then it would be that your grp would matter first, then wht if i stole it and reset it and you got crap cred then that mean your in the wrong becuase you didnt wait for me and others to join hmm?

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If you'd have said you were on the way before the pull, they'd have waited. That's how it works. You chose not to wait despite knowing they were on their way.
Also, resets happen all the time during hunts, 9 times out of 10 the group just deals with it. For some reason you took this as "stealing".
In fact, I think I just realised it all while typing this reply. I just figured you out all over. Your entire attitude towards this is "mine, my mob, mine, screw everyone else". Most groups deal with resets and just carry on, you're so stuck in your mindset that you get so angry over such a simple thing. It's sad really.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Yeah sure. Mind you, I did some test with marks I found on lost spots. The horde always come, even if I'm alone and never shout. The horde is using radars. Not all, but enough to get all the marks that spawn anywhere.



you disregarded OP's right to pull when THEY found it right because it was THEIR mark (they found it by themselves and were kind enough to share). They are using SE's system, you're abusing their rights to do so. Want to argue back ?

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do. You don't go to another country and disregard their rules and customs. You abide by them.
They chose to not go along with the servers established preference for handling hunts. That is their choice and their consequences to suffer.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

This is never the case. Not even with Ss. Your group composition is either terrible or something else if 8 people can't get full credit on something.

With a huge group of people, it takes at least 10 seconds for a B to die since they increased their HP. If all 8 people get in 4 attacks, that's enough for full credit.

Also.. Leviathan is not exactly a small server. It's one of the largest US ones.

Going by xivsoul

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only had 5 unless you need 8 or something idk

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Originally Posted by marewa

While we are on the topic of resetting, two guys on Ultros spent like 5 minutes resetting Maahes just to screw with everyone. Never been so pissed off before. Also it skews everyones rewards.

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Did you report them? Griefing is griefing, Thats like when players would kite NMs to keep others from claiming. Make a GM call and usually a GM would show up tell them kill it or let other group take. I had heard of GMs making one of the NMs tail flail the kiters before.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

So much wrong.
Clearly, someone from the horde found it, otherwise they wouldn't have shown up.

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Yeah sure. Mind you, I did some test with marks I found on lost spots. The horde always come, even if I'm alone and never shout. The horde is using radars. Not all, but enough to get all the marks that spawn anywhere.

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The OP literally disregarded all that and said "no one but my group matters". If that isn't rude or selfish, when a lot of people are trying to make sure everyone gets credit, I don't know what sort of morality system you're using.

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you disregarded OP's right to pull when THEY found it right because it was THEIR mark (they found it by themselves and were kind enough to share). They are using SE's system, you're abusing their rights to do so. Want to argue back ?

YOSHIDA!!!!! Apply Final Fantasy XI claiming rules to ALL Elite Hunts... END THIS NONSENSE.

Whoever finds the mark first should get full credit, full stop.
While I think the rules regarding the way mobs reset in general are obnoxious and morose, this should be addressed more fundamentally.
Allow the finder to tag the mob without attacking/pulling and just give full credit on the kill.
Finding the mob is just as important a part of the hunt as killing it after all.

It is not selfish, the way it is being done I don't think is the way SE intended. Nobody has to wait for others to show up, those groups sure as hell don't practice what they preach. Shouting out is only a courtesy. I have found marks before and eventually shouted out come get some. But to purposely reset a NM is low period. That seems to be considered griefing by GMs. S class yes I can see a zerg on those, A's and B's no. I don't have the need to be in a party when I find a random mark that I know I can take with my choco. Someone else shows up that's fine I tend to ease up on the dps. Whoever shows up can finish it off for all I care. Resetting again is being a poor sport especially if that is all you're doing is farming marks. You just screwed over a solo player. In the end there is an entitlement attitude with these hunting LS's.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

You're right, they aren't forced to. But it is courteous to do so.
Also your analogy is terrible, Gold is a finite resource, Allied Seals can be earned by everyone that is there and takes part.
If they had waited for the group to show up, everyone would had gotten credit, no harm would have come from doing this. This is where the difference lies.

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If people pull the things they do if you don't wait for them, they aren't worth the courtesy to begin with. And the analogy is a reference to wanting something you clearly aren't needed for but still wanting it so it still stands.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

YOSHIDA!!!!! Apply Final Fantasy XI claiming rules to ALL Elite Hunts... END THIS NONSENSE.

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If SE put a weekly cap on allied seals then the zerg would have no reason to farm the entire week long.
I mean if tomestones, Coil and everything else has a weekly cap or lockout restriction, why in the blue hell can't The Hunt be capped so other players can participate as well?