[PETITION] Primal Mount Acquisition Adjustment

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Originally Posted by Amused

I can't believe people actually think that gating content behind absurdly low drop rates is a good thing.

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This isn't Gated content.
Stop using game terms you don't understand.

This is just a rare reward.
Rare rewards are good, This game already hands you everything else.

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Originally Posted by Amused

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That's actually a good point. Unfortunately there is no middle ground in MMO's (Or FF fans for that matter). And the problem is that the Duty Finders needs people flowing into it or else the majority of players will be locked out of most if not all the content. And making the dungeons and trials solo-able would be against the principles of MMO's.

It would be eaiser for Square to come out and say "We've screwed up...again" and just remove the ponies, period. And then have them be attainable for all players somewhere else (while forcing those that already have them to re earn then like everyone else)

Alas I fear I'll be slipping into hypocripsy but I feel that those that complain about low drop rates should be heard, but punished for insulting others. And those that flaunt s their ATMA or other Special Snowflake stuff should also be punished if they show signs that it affects their ego.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Wanting to be a unique snowflake because you have something other people can't get is a horrible mentality and excuse for low drop rates.

That and you have no right to be a snowflake with something you yourself didn't even earn. The fact that someone gets one of these items is not a matter of them earning it, but simply them getting lucky. In my opinion, that is not something worth "showing off" or being proud of.

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heh OK Tyler Turden.
Things that are hard to get make the game fun.
Not everyone wants to sit in Mor Dhona and pretend they are cosplaying.
Some people actually like playing the game.

People keep comparing it to things like gear, and getting Allagan weapons before others etc. but it's very different. In a year or two a Tidal Wave weapon or an Allagan/High Allagan weapon will be completely useless, so you're right, RNG on that isn't as much of a big deal. My point is in a year or two, not only will you still be able to ride around on your amazing EX mount, but (in the case of most people) if you are not fortunate enough to have gotten one, well, you're never going to.

Almost nobody on my server does Garuda/Titan/Ifrit EX anymore anyway, especially not farm parties. You have the odd group where five or six out of the eight need the clear and one or two people helping and wiping in desperate hopes of a mount. And now with them being removed as a requirement to move onto Levi/Thornmarch, literally no one will do them. If I knew I could get a guaranteed mount by doing fifty, one hundred runs, or whatever amount, at least it would give me a reason to still do it, a goal to work towards. But I could literally do hundreds of runs and not even see a mount drop. Or if I was somehow lucky enough to see one, I then have seven competitors rolling on it with me.

I understand that there are things that should be rare, special, and very difficult to obtain. But when it comes to the rest of the game, things are changed so everyone can enjoy it. Coil had lock outs removed, was nerfed, stuck on Duty Finder, and given the echo buff for those who wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise. Well some people care about things like vanity mounts just as much, if not more, than progression. I just think it's a real shame that they go the effort of designing these amazing things only to ensure that the absolute smallest percentage of users will ever get to attain it.

I disagree with this petition on the grounds that some drops are just intended to be rare.

If you're on your 1000th try, someone is on their 1st, and the RNG gods happen to be in the newbies favor; that's not a fault with the system, that's simply luck of the draw.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

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You are right, there is a difference between gear and these mounts. Aside from progression, newer gear is needed to experience the newer content provided by the game and further story elements. This is why things like coil and stuff eventually get nerfed with Echo and whatnot. These mounts are not needed to experience any part of the game's plot oriented content, they are nothing more than in-game collectors items.

The main reason for the nerfs in things such as Coil is to make sure no-one is left out of plot oriented content. It's not simply to make things easier for the sake of making things easier, just so others can experience it.

Thing is, in a game that catered to a casual audience SE doesn't have much of a reason to put it behind a crazy drop rate. The hardcore people may try and grind it, and once they get it... that's pretty much it. If SE wanted this game to be more community based and make older content relevant they would put it behind an achievement. This way vets and noobs alike can always strive to get the mount and work more towards it.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

The main reason for the nerfs in things such as Coil is to make sure no-one is left out of plot oriented content. It's not simply to make things easier, just so others can experience it.

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Really? Then why were the EX Primals nerfed along with Coil then? Coil may be related to the story, but there is no plot to the EX Primals whatsoever. And even in Coil, you no longer need to do the turns in order, so you could skip straight to Turn 5 and miss out on all the story related cutscenes anyway. The nerfs happen for the reason I said, to let everyone experience it.

EDIT: Reached daily limit so just adding this on here.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

It's to give players another option of gear progression through, To Tussle with Gods. Thereby, still falling in line with my stated point above. Gear progession leads to experiencing further plot oriented content, primal mounts do not.

EDIT: Also, doing Turns in or out of order comes down to individual choice. You also have some players that choose to skip past each an every piece of dialog, so I don't see how that matters.

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I just think you making claims that it is anything to do with plot is flat out wrong. What was the hardest thing we had to do for the plot in last batch of story quests, Leviathan HM? You're telling me that couldn't be done without an i95 Turn 5 weapon? That they had to nerf both Coil and EX Primals so people had their gear for mighty Leviathan HM. No, the nerfs are nothing to do with the plot, but if you still cannot see that I won't try and convince you anymore.

The ironic thing is people keep calling us "whingers" because we want the mounts to feel "special" when in fact it's not like that at all, it's actually the other way around. The majority, albeit not all, of the people arguing against this already have their special mount and are basically throwing a tantrum because they don't want other people to get it too. No one here is suggesting that the mounts just be handed out, that every Primal kill should yield a mount, we are offering to work for it. How would earning it by doing fifty, hundred, maybe more kills, be any less deserving than say...

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Originally Posted by raelgun

I also have, Enbarr, got it on my 2nd-3rd kill of lev ex.

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Then we get comments like...

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Originally Posted by Barboron

people are so butt hurt and want to play an MMO without the MMO grind.

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No, actually it's the opposite. People could theoretically (no matter how unlikely) get all five, now six, mounts in their very first attempt. Is that a grind to you? No, it's being rewarded just because the game decides so, no grind whatsoever. No one is asking for the mounts to be given up for nothing, it would just be nice to have an alternative to RNG. Whether you believe in good and bad luck or not, the fact is some people do just have flat out bad luck. We keep talking about the low drop rate but in theory someone could see the mount twenty, thirty times in a row, and still lose every time. That's just the cruel nature of RNG.

People keep talking about how rewards should be rare, but this is just a game. I'm not asking for a Purple Heart or an Academy Award here, I'm asking for an alternative method to obtain something which would make me enjoy the game more. As for those who are so vehemently against it, I can't think of many honest reasons why other than spite.

And my final edit then I'll head off.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

If you don't like or agree with my point, that's fine; however, that doesn't make it any less correct.

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I'm afraid you're not correct though and are kind of rambling now. At no point did complain about the weapons, that has nothing to do with this topic, or my comments related to RNG on the mounts. In fact I said the opposite, I said I'd take a mount instead of a Mirror. You were the one saying Coil and EX Primals were nerfed for progression through the story, which is just categorically wrong. EX Primals are not even linked the story, while Coil and EX Primals drop i90 gear, which is worse than the i100 gear your Soldiery tomes get you. And I'm guessing the vast majority of people would have been full i90 in at least one, if not more, jobs anyway after accruing around six months of Myth gear.

So, if you don't like or agree with my point, that's fine; however, that doesn't make it any less correct.

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Originally Posted by Logo

This isn't Gated content.
Stop using game terms you don't understand.

This is just a rare reward.
Rare rewards are good, This game already hands you everything else.

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It is gated content. Gated behind RNG. Everything that is added to this game is content. If content is put behind a wall, like ridiculously low drop rates, it is in fact, gated.

As for this game handing you everything else, you couldn't be further from being right.

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Originally Posted by Logo

heh OK Tyler Turden.
Things that are hard to get make the game fun.
Not everyone wants to sit in Mor Dhona and pretend they are cosplaying.
Some people actually like playing the game.

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There is a major difference between something being hard to get because completing the task is actually challenging, and something being hard to get because you have to get lucky enough to receive it.

If that is what makes things fun for you, perhaps you should play the lottery instead of this game. You can have all the fun you want gambling with a miniscule percentage of a chance at actually "succeeding" in your goal.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Really? Then why were the EX Primals nerfed along with Coil then?

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It's to give players another option of gear progression through, To Tussle with Gods & Primal Focus. Thereby, still falling in line with my stated point above. Gear progession leads to experiencing further plot oriented content, primal mounts do not.

EDIT: Also, doing Turns in or out of order comes down to individual choice. You also have some players that choose to skip past each and every piece of dialog throughout the game, so I don't see how that even matters.


EDIT DEUCE:

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

I just think you making claims that it is anything to do with plot is flat out wrong. What was the hardest thing we had to do for the plot in last batch of story quests, Leviathan HM? You're telling me that couldn't be done without an i95 Turn 5 weapon? That they had to nerf both Coil and EX Primals so people had their gear for mighty Leviathan HM. No, the nerfs are nothing to do with the plot, but if you still cannot see that I won't try and convince you anymore.

The ironic thing is people keep calling us "whingers" because we want the mounts to feel "special" when in fact it's not like that at all, it's actually the other way around. The majority, albeit not all, of the people arguing against this already have their special mount and are basically throwing a tantrum because they don't want other people to get it too. No one here is suggesting that the mounts just be handed out, that every Primal kill should yield a mount, we are offering to work for it. How would earning it by doing fifty, hundred, maybe more kills, be any less deserving than say...

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If you don't like or agree with my point, that's fine; however, that doesn't make it any less correct. Newer gear allows people to experience newer plot oriented content (coil is part of that plot oriented content). One of the things this game has done with weapons is give us options, that's not a point that stands to be argued. Right now, for top tier content for example, we have the Tidal, the Atma~Novus, the weathered~unweathered, and the High Allagan. As of 2.3, we will also have Ramuh's available to us. That's eight total weapons we have a choice on. There has been a plethora of choice when it comes to weapons. The manner in which these weapons are obtained is loosened when new content comes (hence the EX primal nerf). We saw this when BCoB2 and new gear sets released in 2.2, and we will see this again when BCoB3 and new gear sets come out in 2.4.

Just keep in mind, even though I disagree, I'm not one of the ones name-calling and hurling insults.

People are still gonna do primal ex. Why? Because they are being added to trial roulette =D so everyone will have plenty of chances!!!

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

The ironic thing is people keep calling us "whingers" because we want the mounts to feel "special" when in fact it's not like that at all, it's actually the other way around. The majority, albeit not all, of the people arguing against this already have their special mount and are basically throwing a tantrum because they don't want other people to get it too. No one here is suggesting that the mounts just be handed out, that every Primal kill should yield a mount, we are offering to work for it. How would earning it by doing fifty, hundred, maybe more kills, be any less deserving than say...

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You know, I was doing lev ex and got the kill pre guides or whatever, was in a learning group that were hammering our heads against the new content, awesome group of people that meshed in the end to get the kill, once we did, we went into farm mode, the mount dropped on this point, this was very early days, so hate to break it do you, the group did a damn good job to earn that drop appearing in the first place.

I actually not overly fussed about the special feel or if others dont have it, just saying you guys lack patience, Ive had my share of rare mount stories back in WOW, this doesnt bother me, was a reward for doing the content as we did it at the time.

Also they need to stop putting horses in the game, this is Final Fantasy

I still laugh at the people who complain about drop rates, and that they are soooo low. And whatever.

1/1497966
1/2330169

See those numbers?

That's the drop chance of just 2 of the rare weapons in a game I used to play, phantasy star online. Those are 2 of the ones I pulled up quick. There are multiple 1/x(million) and 1/x(hundred thousands)

And to top it off some of those drop rates are after getting a rare form of a mob to spawn while running a map. So like 1/5000 chance of rare mob spawn, then 1/500000 chance for special weapon to drop. I laugh because these drop rates from ffxiv are nothing to what I've grown up on. You children complain way too much. And you even have it easy XD

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Also they need to stop putting horses in the game, this is Final Fantasy

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I completely agree. At first, there was just the white Unicorn, and I was okay with that. Then they added Nightmare, and I was still okay with it even though I thought it looked bad. Then they added all these other horses, that not only glow, but come in nearly every color of the rainbow and have constant particle effects (this looks exceptionally bad) on their feet at all times for no apparent reason. I'm going to be completely honest here, those horses are a total eyesore, and I'm sorry to say that. The only reason I want them is for the sake of completion. I would never actually want to ride one.


Why are there even horses in this game in the first place? When has Final Fantasy ever been known to have horses? When has ANYONE in Final Fantasy ever used a horse over a chocobo other than Odin? Who even wanted horses in this game? Can we get rid of them, please? I don't mind keeping the Unicorn because it actually looks nice, but other than that, the rest of the could go and I don't think anything of value would be lost.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

That's the drop chance of just 2 of the rare weapons in a game I used to play, phantasy star online. Those are 2 of the ones I pulled up quick. There are multiple 1/x(million) and 1/x(hundred thousands)

And to top it off some of those drop rates are after getting a rare form of a mob to spawn while running a map. So like 1/5000 chance of rare mob spawn, then 1/500000 chance for special weapon to drop. I laugh because these drop rates from ffxiv are nothing to what I've grown up on. You children complain way too much. And you even have it easy XD

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Just because that's how it used to be done, doesn't mean that it's right. Picture related.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/24zbz2c.jpg

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Originally Posted by KandyKitten

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before or even discussed

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Of course it has. How do I know? Because people are so butt hurt and want to play an MMO without the MMO grind.

It's similar to the lottery. (for you kiddies over 18).

I work for a nice gas station so I can give exact numbers on this.


Odds of winning the jackpot on the powerball 1:175,223,510

That's for winning the jackpot.

So say guy A is 55 years old, has been playing for 30 years. 2 chances a week to win.

That's 53 weeks a year, that's 106 chances per year. 3180(ish) chances to win. Hasn't one once. Maybe 50-100 here and there, but nothing big (aka other drops that you get over and over) oh and this is if he only buys 2 tickets a week, once for each drawing.

Guy B. 20 year old. Just decided to take a Crack at it a few times. Say he played 20 times, and wins.

You know what? Too bad. So sad. What's the 55 year old guy gonna do? Keep playing, hoping one day hell win big.

From the looks of the world, game world, and rl, it seems to be going pretty right. So it should stay the same.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Just because that's how it used to be done, doesn't mean that it's right. Picture related.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/24zbz2c.jpg

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This image is actually far more fitting to the trend of people being unable to accept new strategies.

"Hey, can we pull the boss to the north instead of the south?"
"No!"
"Why not?"
"Because its not done like that!"
"But its better this way!"
"But no one does that! Just stop it! You're weird!"

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

Except it was done very right, worked very well, gave people rare items that were hard to obtain and gave happiness to those that got it. And like I said it's very VERY toned down, and yet you people still complain. This isn't real life, it's a game. We're not all equal, and you don't get a little star sticker just for trying all the time, and yes, some people are more special than others because hey can do things others can't or win things others don't have. Suck it up, and wait for your drop. Too hard? Move along.

Tired of being nice about it but children cry wayyyyy to much and *most* have been pampered and Giving everything they want from mommy or daddy because "gimmi gimmi" and it needs to stop.

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Isn't it a bit hypocritical to make sweeping generalizations about other people being entitled children when you're acting like one yourself?

How do you equate RNG to "too hard" for some people? How does that in any way make sense? What exactly is challenging about getting lucky? Please explain it to me so that I can understand.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but we aren't all equal in real life either. This is a game and is intended to be an escape from real life. Why bring over one of the negative aspects of the real world? Why do you care if other people are equal to you? Why do you need to feel superior to others by dangling a carrot in front of them that you yourself didn't even truly "earn"? Why is your happiness considered more important than that of others?

Is this you?

http://oi61.tinypic.com/289y8a9.jpg

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

It's similar to the lottery. (for you kiddies over 18).

I work for a nice gas station so I can give exact numbers on this.


Odds of winning the jackpot on the powerball 1:175,223,510

That's for winning the jackpot.

So say guy A is 55 years old, has been playing for 30 years. 2 chances a week to win.

That's 53 weeks a year, that's 106 chances per year. 3180(ish) chances to win. Hasn't one once. Maybe 50-100 here and there, but nothing big (aka other drops that you get over and over) oh and this is if he only buys 2 tickets a week, once for each drawing.

Guy B. 20 year old. Just decided to take a Crack at it a few times. Say he played 20 times, and wins.

You know what? Too bad. So sad. What's the 55 year old guy gonna do? Keep playing, hoping one day hell win big.

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Except this is a game, we are a different generation of people, and if we don't like something usually petitioning will get it changed. I mean I could be sitting on a high chair yelling at all the people using echo to get gear/clears "to get gud" but nope. They pay for the game, they should be able to clear content and receive items. Even if it isn't an immediate change an eventual change would suffice.

No one should be grinding for the mount anyway.

Its supposed to a fun little bonus you might get if you're really really lucky.

You're not supposed to actively try and get it.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

It's similar to the lottery. (for you kiddies over 18).

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Since you like the lottery so much, and enjoy the concept of a reward being gated behind nearly impossible odds, why don't you quit playing this game and play the lottery full time instead? It sounds like a game that is more geared toward your personal taste.

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Originally Posted by Dels

This image is actually far more fitting to the trend of people being unable to accept new strategies.

"Hey, can we pull the boss to the north instead of the south?"
"No!"
"Why not?"
"Because its not done like that!"
"But its better this way!"
"But no one does that! Just stop it! You're weird!"

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Pretty much, it's an excellent model for the, "this is the only way to do this fight mentality."

It's a great image though, so I clicked like on it :p

OP got RNG'd. Stop whining.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why are there even horses in this game in the first place?

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Attempting to appear to bronies? perhaps?

If that's actually is the case then coming from a brony; I'd say this hasen't worked on me yet.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Since you like the lottery so much, and enjoy the concept of a reward being gated behind nearly impossible odds, why don't you quit playing this game and play the lottery full time instead? It sounds like a game that is more geared toward your personal taste.

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I do play the lottery on occasion not 106 times a year, but that's fine. Just like I play against rng. But unlike op and a large group of others, I don't cry and post to the forums about it when I lose. Lol. I just try again.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Except this is a role playing game, where RNG has been a cornerstone of the genre since its inception. Instead of playing Hello Kitty Online where we get stuff for logging in, we choose to come complain on an RPG forum. We also like to go to the FPS forums and complain about crosshairs and headshots dealing too much damage. We are an entitled generation of people, and if we don't like something usually whining about it will get it changed. I mean I could be sitting on a high chair yelling at all the people using echo to get gear/clears "to get gud" but nope. They pay for the game, so they should be able to clear the same content and receive the same items as everyone else, even if others put in more time and effort or are better than the game than I am, because you know, I'm special. Even if it isn't an immediate change an eventual change would suffice. つ ◕_◕ ༽つNO RNG OR RIOT ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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Fixed it for ya.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to make sweeping generalizations about other people being entitled children when you're acting like one yourself? How do you equate RNG to "too hard" for some people? How does that in any way make sense? What exactly is challenging about getting lucky? Please explain it to me so that I can understand. Also, I hate to break it to you, but we aren't all equal in real life either. This is a game and is intended to be an escape from real life. Why bring over one of the negative aspects of the real world? Why do you care if other people are equal to you? Why do you need to feel superior to others by dangling a carrot in front of them that you yourself didn't even truly "earn"? Why is your happiness considered more important than that of others? Is this you? http://oi61.tinypic.com/289y8a9.jpg

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He has a valid point, the only difference is that he has the courage to say out what the rest of us think in our hearts and doesn't give a flying hoot about what others perceive about him, a good skill many of us should learn. Maybe you shouldn't get a job then, because your successful application means that someone out there has a failed application. So are you that altruistic? Get over it.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

he has the courage to say out what the rest of us think in our hearts

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Speak for yourself. I for one do not wish failure upon anyone, and believe that it would be a negative character trait to do so. The quote itself is incredibly narcissistic, conceited, and a prime example of egoism.

I can only hope that you'll learn to treat others as you would yourself, because the reality of our existence is that we are all one.

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Your natural state is enlightening. Everything else you've ever been told about yourself is a lie. We are trying to wake ourselves up, because we come from source energy and we are ALL one. We have to realize that our brothers and sisters that we are seeing in the dream, are mere reflections of our inner self. Yin and yang, love and hate. People that we dislike, are mere reflections of our own character defects. People that we like and love are true successful manifestations of our deepest most inner self. We are beings of light. Our mission, is to be creation, and create positive energy on spaceship Earth.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

No, actually it's the opposite. People could theoretically (no matter how unlikely) get all five, now six, mounts in their very first attempt. Is that a grind to you? No, it's being rewarded just because the game decides so, no grind whatsoever. No one is asking for the mounts to be given up for nothing, it would just be nice to have an alternative to RNG. Whether you believe in good and bad luck or not, the fact is some people do just have flat out bad luck. We keep talking about the low drop rate but in theory someone could see the mount twenty, thirty times in a row, and still lose every time. That's just the cruel nature of RNG.

People keep talking about how rewards should be rare, but this is just a game. I'm not asking for a Purple Heart or an Academy Award here, I'm asking for an alternative method to obtain something which would make me enjoy the game more. As for those who are so vehemently against it, I can't think of many honest reasons why other than spite.

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It doesn't matter what people could theoretically get or not get. I could theoretically win the lotto. Am I going to go bitch about that and say everybody should win the lotto? No, because you are buying into that much like you are buying into this game and the methods of reward.

And there are several mounts with an alternative to RNG, are they fun? NO! CNJ gets a mount from class quests. PLD and WAR get mounts from grinding 200 instances and that is definitely not fun, that I can guarantee from experience.

And you say again in "theory" someone could see it X amount of times. There are a lot of things that could or could not happen when things are random, that's why it's random. If someone has bad luck, tough. Not everything in the game is given by RNG and if you don't like RNG, get those other things. There are so many unicorns in this game already, are they really worth that much to you? I would love to have them, especially considering the mythology behind them, I did post in another thread about this (can be found here for anyone interested)

And just because you can't think of any other reasons other than spite as a reason to reward this in a method other than RNG, doesn't mean others can't. Sure, most of the time if you ask someone "Why?" I would assume they would most likely give an answer something along the lines of "'cause I said so!".

Either way, you don't have to get these mounts, they aren't the only mounts in the game, and other mounts are obtainable through non-RNG methods. If you want the ones that are obtained through RNG, that's tough.

The game is fine as is and then we are getting threads like yours. Just because the game isn't going the way you want it to, doesn't call for change.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Speak for yourself. I for one do not wish failure upon anyone, and believe that it would be a negative character trait to do so. The quote itself is incredibly narcissistic, conceited, and a prime example of egoism.

I can only hope that you'll learn to treat others as you would yourself, because the reality of our existence is that we are all one.

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I do not actively wish anyone to fail, or to put it more accurately, I do not sabotage others to failure so others can succeed, same as I do not spawn camp an area so that others can't get their atmas or drops or whatever, that is just the reality of it. But that does not deter from the fact for there to be good, there has to be bad, or there can be no good without evil. For an entity to have meaning, there has to be a corresponding opposite entity to give said entity meaning. As to that quote, its naive at best. Maybe you have not experienced the harshness of life, but that kind of thinking is kamikaze for the dystopia we live in. There are no benefits to be too good, I have experienced it first hand.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I do not actively wish anyone to fail, or to put it more accurately, I do not sabotage others to failure so others can succeed, same as I do not spawn camp an area so that others can't get their atmas or drops or whatever, that is just the reality of it. But that does not deter from the fact for there to be good, there has to be bad, or there can be no good without evil. For an entity to have meaning, there has to be a corresponding opposite entity to give said entity meaning. As to that quote, its naive at best. Maybe you have not experienced the harshness of life, but that kind of thinking is kamikaze for the dystopia we live in. There are no benefits to be too good, I have experienced it first hand.

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I wasn't going to reply again, but this... this is a mount petition not a philosophy of life petition.Who gives a flying whoop about being to nice irl blah blah blah, this is about an item in a game. I'm pretty sure most people realize irl isn't roses and sunshine; just like this game has people being a-holes (like myself at times). To put it even simpler no one cares about your life values/story/points/advice on these forums unless somehow they have connection to you.
The format to respond to this would be:

It should be complete RNG for x,x,x (game reasons) or
It should not be complete RNG for x,x,x reasons and here are alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

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Well I was only bringing that up cause of the philosophical quote that the poster I was responding to quoted in her previous post. Anyway, regarding the topic, I have nothing else to add. What needs to be said has been said, same as the 100 RNG threads before this. Its just the same points over and over again. I'm out.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

I wasn't going to reply again, but this... this is a mount petition not a philosophy of life petition.Who gives a flying whoop about being to nice irl blah blah blah, this is about an item in a game. I'm pretty sure most people realize irl isn't roses and sunshine; just like this game has people being a-holes (like myself at times). To put it even simpler no one cares about your life values/story/points/advice on these forums unless somehow they have connection to you.
The format to respond to this would be:

It should be complete RNG for x,x,x (game reasons) or
It should not be complete RNG for x,x,x reasons and here are alternatives.

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Leave it to rng, the way it is, so that the mounts can start semi rare. And anyone who misses the roll? Sorry bro, try again.

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Originally Posted by Verranicus

OP got RNG'd. Stop whining.

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Actually, it's a bit more complex. I ran Levi EX for well over a hundred wins with farm parties set up in the Party Finder. Everyone called their loot (mine being the mount), and it was clearly stated it would be a professional farm party. A few hours go by, we have plenty of wins - and the party members swap in and out depending on if people get what they want or have to go or whatnot. About 30 minutes before I planned on leaving, the mount finally dropped. I ask for every to leave as I was the only one who claimed it as my loot just to be fair, and the Dragoon who was dead for the majority of the fight remained. I let four minutes elapse, and out of fear for it hitting the floor I rolled on it. Turned out he remained AFK for whatever reason but happened to roll on the mount, won it, proceeded to revive and then exit the instance. He left the party. Not to mention he also won the achievement that run, too.

Everything in this game is obtainable through a grind or effort. Atmas will eventually drop for you, it's not chance. It will happen. The Warlion or Warbear mount will be given to you when you fulfill the requirements. But then you have things that conflict with those who have OCD in collecting - forcing them to spend hours upon hours of grinding only for a single player to have control on whether or not to ruin that. And that's with communication and parties set-up. It's only LOGICAL to add the primal mounts to the achievement list, as every other mount is there as well if not found through a quest. The new Warsteeds, the Warbear/lion, and the Golden Magiteck. Adding them to the achievement list will not create a loss in EX primal runs, but rather it may even increase them as it adds even more of an incentive to run and clear them. The primal mounts should be something that shows how dedicated a player can be through withstanding numerous victories in the primal battles, not for when that random player looks back and says, "Oh, I got this for that one time I paid for a Titan EX win".

If everything else in this game were like that, it'd be more acceptable. But when everything else has an endpoint or eventual acquisition, it's pretty wonky that something like this is locked behind not only RNG itself, but other players' willingness over extremely extended periods of time. People for this 'petition' aren't asking for hand-outs, we're not looking for easy acquisition alternatives. We're just looking for something to show for our dedication in running (possibly) over 500 times a single primal (extreme, mind you) rather than run it over 500 times just to be teased when someone ninja lots you. Anyone who thinks that is a hand-out just wants to argue for the sake of arguing. And for anyone who wants to gloat with their primal mounts or remain 'special'...who said you still wouldn't be? Not everyone will have the time and patience to run 100, 200, or even 500 runs of a single Primal spread over the five primals. Throw in a minion or title down the road and it'll fall in line with everything else - not that anyone seems to have a problem with those, so why have a problem with this?

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Originally Posted by KandyKitten

Actually, it's a bit more complex. I ran Levi EX for well over a hundred wins with farm parties set up in the Party Finder. Everyone called their loot (mine being the mount), and it was clearly stated it would be a professional farm party. A few hours go by, we have plenty of wins - and the party members swap in and out depending on if people get what they want or have to go or whatnot. About 30 minutes before I planned on leaving, the mount finally dropped. I ask for every to leave as I was the only one who claimed it as my loot just to be fair, and the Dragoon who was dead for the majority of the fight remained. I let four minutes elapse, and out of fear for it hitting the floor I rolled on it. Turned out he remained AFK for whatever reason but happened to roll on the mount, won it, proceeded to revive and then exit the instance. He left the party. Not to mention he also won the achievement that run, too.

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You know... that's actually something that's usually reportable in MMORPGs. If terms were agreed upon initially, but someone intentionally ninjas something (even if set up by RNG), the GMs can usually step in on it.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

You know... that's actually something that's usually reportable in MMORPGs. If terms were agreed upon initially, but someone intentionally ninjas something (even if set up by RNG), the GMs can usually step in on it.

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If it is clearly stated ahead of time and agreed upon, then yes, it is reportable.

I agree with this mostly, I don't mind it taking awhile and effort to get, but RNG kinda kills it. Like even if the drop rate was a tiny bit higher so people actually had more tries to win it.

If you think about it, they keep adding all these ponies that most of the player base won't own until 2 years later when you can solo the primals? I find it irritating that I have done more EX primals altogether than I can count and have not a single one of those mounts, not even Nightmare which was out a long time ago. I only saw one drop and I farmed the crap out of those primals, and guess who won it? A guy who was dead half the fight -_- (Titan EX xD).

It's just a drive killer when you think about the odds...I like to collect pets and mounts but ugh...

8 player content, so 1/8 chance to win lot, which is 12.5% chance of winning, but the drop rate is only like 1% so you get a 12.5% chance average every 100 runs....so it ends up being like idk 0.1% chance of getting one? I suck at math but the 12.5% chance every 100 runs is about right. It is okay to make some mounts hard to get but this is getting lame, there is 5 ponies already and now 6 on Tuesday, they don't ALL need to be that rare.

Even though a patch is finally coming I really had nothing to do except SCOB every week...cause I just have no drive to farm primals when I could kill them non stop all day for as long as I am able to stay awake and likely not even get a chance to roll on the mount :/

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Originally Posted by Barboron

And just because you can't think of any other reasons other than spite as a reason to reward this in a method other than RNG, doesn't mean others can't. Sure, most of the time if you ask someone "Why?" I would assume they would most likely give an answer something along the lines of "'cause I said so.

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And there you have it. Your reason for moaning and crying about people offering alternative methods to obtain the mounts is "cause I said so!" Right, that isn't spite at all is it? No one on the side of a grind method to get the mounts is throwing childish insults, that's all coming from your end. At the end of the day the simple fact is, no one can give a proper reason why there shouldn't be alternative methods. It all just boils down to "because more people will have it then." Erm, ok? And how does that affect you? Oh, you can't AFK in Mor Dhona 12 hours a day feeling special because you had enough skill to roll a 99.

As for you saying go get the other mounts instead, who says I'm not? I'm steadily working on the PLD one, and have all the beastmen quest related ones. What's wrong with people wanting a complete set? Attitudes like yours just because people would like a complete set of something which, shock horror, is not related to "OMG look at ma ilvl!" is pretty pathetic to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Wait you know so much about my life right? So you know I have a job, a house, a master's degree (from baylor university), a car, and pay my own bills right? You know my mom and dad? So you know they are divorced and I got my own money for college. So how about you act like a freaking reasonable person and stop trying to attack kids on the forums. Not sure what you were trying to accomplish. Trying to troll? Trying to act wise? Whatever. (When I think about it I should have just ignored you, but I can't exactly let someone just run their mouth on a clearly personal attack.)

Second, just because a person is vocal about things they do not like doesn't make them a whiner, it has little to no reflection on their life. A whiner is someone who complains without offering a method of correction or change. If no one said anything in 1.0 this game would still be crap. Drop rates for everything including primal weapons would suck. 90% of the people on here wouldn't even be playing right now. You don't like this petition, cool say so and just move on. If anything by what you said "we are not all winners, we are not the special little people..." getting a mount through sheer luck and feeling special would go against your ideals. Yet you attack the person who suggests to make them work for the crap, 500 titan ex clears you get your shiny little pony. This way if someone wants it that badly they are in for a grind.

Either way before you assume anything about anyone's life on these forums. Make sure yours is completely straight no need to take it out on people you assume are rich brats.

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Completely agree with you. The people against this just keep resorting to childish insults as they are lacking in actual reasons for this not to be implemented.