Stiffer Penalties for those leaving dungeons!!

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

A lot of people don't seem to know this, judging by what I've come across, but there is an ingame translator. It might not have everything, but you can piece together things and people understand >.> And anything in <t> gets translated too. So you could easily do "<t>" [Attack]" and mark them

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Why should I have to? Why cant they be proactive and do it themselves before? Why should I have to struggle with an auto translator that many, many times do not work due to sentance structure and grammer? Why should they make it so much harder for everyone else?

Am I suppose to battle with the translater during the fight if they make a mistake risking dieing to AE or losing aggro whilst doing so? What if the translater doesnt cover what is needed to be communicated?

I have ZERO problems helping new people who listen, understand and improve from it. Even if its not a kill. I do have problems with people who totally ignore and do not communicate in anyway, or join with a language set that they do not understand and cannot communicate in anyway with people who want to help them. In that case they SHOULD do some research on sites that explains things in their own language beforehand, or join a FC/LS with players they can communicate with to help them.

BTW I speak 3 languages fluently.

Simple question: Why go into a dungeon expecting others to teach you? It is not your right to expect others to do that. Those who reply that they won't watch a vid, won't research their rotations. If you can't do it for yourself, why do you expect others to do it for you? The other members in that party you join are not there for you, they owe you nothing. When people do give advice and instructions on how to run a dungeon, it's them making an effort to have an enjoyable experience in the dungeon. If they can make that effort. why can't you?

It should stay where it is. Anything more and then it's unjust for those who really are getting hit with people who can't manage.

Vote Abandon should stay. If the majority wants to leave, well.. bummer.

i normally queue as a tank or healer. scholar is my main. i have been guilty of leaving instances right out the front door on occasion. generally the reasons for leaving aren't as maniacal as you guys are making it out to be. i will leave the instance if...

A. i dont have much time and was hoping for a short run or trial in my roulette. when this is the case i will tell the pt right from the gate that i wont have time to complete the dungeon and will just eat the penalty rather than waste even more of peoples time by dropping half way thru.

B. if more than one person is severely under geared for the encounter. ive seen some really poorly geared people out there. and im sorry but im not going to waste my time with people who cant even be bothered to upgrade their gear for lvl 50 dungeons. the game practically throws gil at you while lvling up. use it to upgrade your gear. AF/GC gear doesn't bother me, but tanks in lvl 35 accessories that dont even have stats appropriate to their class will almost certainly provoke me to leave the dungeon early

C. the party wipes but then fails to communicate afterwards to try and remedy the situation. buy a fking keyboard off amazon for 10 bux and stop being lazy

You cannot force people to do what they do not want in the game. I stopped doing low level and expert roulette because generally it is a waste of time. I am still doing the high level roulette, but close to stopping doing it too. Many other people do the same, proof is many brayflox 2-3 boss teams in the party finder.
Most of people i meet in DF now are newbies who have recently started playing and would not think of abandoning the dungeon. The harsher penalties are - the less experienced players will queue for roulette, and what can barely geared people do alone?
Today i queued for copperbell in progress for atma book quest - all 3 players were 1st time and stuck at the 2nd boss because had no clue what to do, their healer quit (when i entered they already have been there for 40 minutes). I explained them what to do and we passed the rest of the dungeon in like 15 minutes. I queued for DD (lv44) next and again all 3 players were 1st time, but it is an easy dungeon. I keep getting 3k hp dps and 4k hp tanks for copperbell hard in the high roulette for the 3rd day in a row (i completed those runs but it's an extreme healer task to keep the tank alive).
People leave because they think trying to complete the dungeon is a waste of time.
SE needs to stop being sub-greedy and increase myth/sol rewards in the roulette so doing it will be meaningful again. Any kind of forcing will just make people to stop doing roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Orth

Why can't we queue for in progress instances only as well as new only or either?

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I was wondering when this would come up.

SE should NEVER, EVER allow an option for 'in progress' only. If you can not understand why this is a massively bad idea, then, well nothing I can say will change your mind.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i normally queue as a tank or healer. scholar is my main. i have been guilty of leaving instances right out the front door on occasion. generally the reasons for leaving aren't as maniacal as you guys are making it out to be. i will leave the instance if...

A. i dont have much time and was hoping for a short run or trial in my roulette. when this is the case i will tell the pt right from the gate that i wont have time to complete the dungeon and will just eat the penalty rather than waste even more of peoples time by dropping half way thru.

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I don't even... this is just... I am at a loss of words.

If you do not have the time to complete the zone DO NOT QUEUE. PEROID. Waste any more of peoples time? How about not waste it at all. This is just the most arrogant thing I have ever heard. Ahh! Tank and healer main! That explains it. You have no concept of what it is like to seek for hours on a DPS job to only have someone like you who has no concept of being considerate to others dropping out with 'I'm sorry. I can not manage time.".

Just wow.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

You cannot force people to do what they do not want in the game. .

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Its ok let players get what they want. Enforce stricter penalties, remove vote abandon, add rewards to the end of each run, Anything else I miss? Let SE do it, Then see how many people cry because they have to wait 60mins+ in Queue because no one wants to deal with stupid crap.

The only Duty Roulettes I even do are the Main and Trials the rest are a complete waste.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Its ok let players get what they want. Enforce stricter penalties, remove vote abandon, add rewards to the end of each run, Anything else I miss? Let SE do it, Then see how many people cry because they have to wait 60mins+ in Queue because no one wants to deal with stupid crap.

The only Duty Roulettes I even do are the Main and Trials the rest are a complete waste.

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I'm the opposite I think main scenario and High level is a complete waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Macka

I'm the opposite I think main scenario and High level is a complete waste of time.

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Main Scenario takes like 30mins and Trials depending on which takes less than 10mins. Low, High, Expert are all a waste of time.

Disagree completely as irl circumstances can change
I.e the other night I had to leave a dungeon just after start
My baby girl had pooed leaked out her nappy and had to be bathed
Once I was done I was able to reque.
With your proposal I'd have to wait a extra 30-60 mins

NO THANK YOU

If some1 leaves get a friend or fc member to join in progress,
No one to join? Change for a better fc

Had a tank leave during the cutscene for copperbell. Didn't even see them. Don't know why these people hit accept when they're not going to stay. Was not terribly impressed.

Saying that, I'm not exactly for or against stiffer penalties. As there are legitimate reasons to leave. The scaling is a good suggestion though, harsher penalties for leaving an excessive amount of times.

What needs to be fixed first tho is players leaving before a duty has even commenced >~<

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Give all the rewards of tomes at the END of completion in EVERYTHING, including killing all trash mobs, opening all chests. Case solved.

*Next ticket log please!

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We could also add style points like how much damage people soaked (that would drive people to get away from AOE and BLM would use AOE sleep a bit more), the number of monsters killed (so people won't lock monsters out), the numbers of well timed stun/silence (it is already working toward the LB), the number of debuff removed, etc ... to give a mytho/soldier bonus at the end.
Of course we will only consider style and not raw damage so there won't be discrimination against new players.
Though it may not be a good idea, people would be more pissed off for little mistake.

Not in favour of worse penalties, simply because it's not always malicious. Sometimes it's very obviously deliberate and others not. However, "I don't have time to do a normal run" isn't a valid excuse.

Apparently, the new trend is ditch on Trials roulette if you get certain ones. Had it happen at Hydra this morning before we even got out of cutscene and I asked why someone would possibly leave. Another guy commented that Hydra is "the worst one you can get on this roulette" to which I thought, "You obviously haven't done many Titan HM roulettes." Ended up killing it with seven people in around five minutes so, who really lost out there?

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Originally Posted by necrosis

I was wondering when this would come up.

SE should NEVER, EVER allow an option for 'in progress' only. If you can not understand why this is a massively bad idea, then, well nothing I can say will change your mind.

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I thought about it, and you're right. At a high level, this is actually a bad idea. I didn't consider the abuse and unfairness that could go into DF with this option.

Since you didn't tell me what exactly your problem is with it I can only speculate as to what issues you came up with for this. However, I still find myself often wanting this as an option and I can accept that this would not be a simple solution to the original problem here.

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Originally Posted by AiChyan

And those who say oh have someone from your FC join, it doesn't always work. A tank quit on us in Haukke HM, and when a tank from my FC tried to join he ended up in a FRESH run.

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This is part of the reason I initially thought of in progress only queues. I had an idea of being able to send an S.O.S. in FC chat that would allow them to queue up for that specific in progress instance only if they met the requirements of what role was missing, then maybe you could have people save the day for their FC mates while not changing the existing in progress queue system too much.

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

Make leaving a duty or walking out the front door of a roulette a 60-90 minute penalty!!

I have been finding that more and more with roulette they walk in the dungeon and if they don't like the dungeon they turn around and just walk out the door not carrying about any penalties they are whm or paladin. It is instant queue for them always..

Watched over the last few days trial roulette tank walk in ew titan then walk out.
got into HM roulette again 10 minutes ago copperbell hardmode the duty commenced whm looked turned around and walked out the door and tank left with him leaving me and other dps standing there.

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Way to long of a wait time at that point people would probably just do the dailies and log off once done making dungeon queues take even longer for DPS.

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Originally Posted by necrosis

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hey pal its not my fault that SE decided that instances that take 10 minutes to complete get the exact same reward and share the exact same roulette as instances that can take an 1hr+. call me a dick, call me an ass, i really could care less what random internet people think of me. if i only have 1 hour to play im not going to spend it in stone vigil or cutters cry.

maybe SE should consider splitting the roulettes between fast clears and slow ones, make the rewards for completing painfully long and tedious dungeons that may or may not even succeed garner higher rewards than shit like ifrit story mode which is impossible to fail and takes 5 minutes tops

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Originally Posted by necrosis

I don\\'t even... this is just... I am at a loss of words.

If you do not have the time to complete the zone DO NOT QUEUE. PEROID. Waste any more of peoples time? How about not waste it at all. This is just the most arrogant thing I have ever heard. Ahh! Tank and healer main! That explains it. You have no concept of what it is like to seek for hours on a DPS job to only have someone like you who has no concept of being considerate to others dropping out with \\'I\\'m sorry. I can not manage time.".

Just wow.

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As a War main, Whm alt I have to second this, if you don't have the time don't cue, if you have 30min before work don't sign up in hopes of NM Ifrit then leave when you don't get your way.

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Originally Posted by LadyLarunai

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the thing is tho, 90% of the stuff can be completed in a reasonable time. and in those cases i wont leave. however, you have to catch me in a really good mood to want to take a stab at stone vigil or av or quarn. these places can take the full timer even if the whole group is on point. there is no reason why dungeons that take 3x the effort and time should get the same rewards as something like ifrit story mode. not to mention that the success rate is also considerably lower for these dungeons.

ive failed stone vigil countless times at the final boss because people just could not seem to grasp avoiding big glowing blue indicators telling them that something bad is about to happen right where they are standing. im sorry, but thats just not a risk i want to take when i may be pressed for time

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Originally Posted by alhandra

hey pal its not my fault that SE decided that instances that take 10 minutes to complete get the exact same reward and share the exact same roulette as instances that can take an 1hr+. call me a dick, call me an ass, i really could care less what random internet people think of me. if i only have 1 hour to play im not going to spend it in stone vigil or cutters cry.

maybe SE should consider splitting the roulettes between fast clears and slow ones, make the rewards for completing painfully long and tedious dungeons that may or may not even succeed garner higher rewards than shit like ifrit story mode which is impossible to fail and takes 5 minutes tops

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Not sure if troll or clueless, inconsiderate person.

I did roulette nearly daily this week, and 80% of the time I got Cutter's Cry and Copperbell Mines HM. Both dungeons bore me to utter death. However, even though the thought of leaving was so delicious and I knew I could requeue really fast I really didn't have the heart to. DPS queues are obscenely long and its not fair to let them wait for a tank or healer who might never really come.

Roulette is called roulette for a reason, your option could be horrid or good, suck it up and do it.

And those who say oh have someone from your FC join, it doesn't always work. A tank quit on us in Haukke HM, and when a tank from my FC tried to join he ended up in a FRESH run.

Can't say I'm for a stiffer penalty, but I wish people would just be a bit more considerate and just not queue if they are not willing to stay for long.

Might just be me but i think there should be harsher penalties for.....RAGE QUITTERS.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

As has been mentioned in other threads about this same topic... all we will see is "a party member has withdrawn" over and over and over... while people fish for in progress dungeons.

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Easily fixed - players get rewards based on their participation through the dungeon. No showing up for the final boss and getting full credit for the instance.

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Originally Posted by necrosis

Not sure if troll or clueless, inconsiderate person.

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neither, just playing the part of devil's advocate. i listed the reasons why myself and im assuming most people leave an instance early. i never even said that i did it often. just that i have done it in the past

9 times out of 10 i just take what i get.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i normally queue as a tank or healer. scholar is my main. i have been guilty of leaving instances right out the front door on occasion. generally the reasons for leaving aren't as maniacal as you guys are making it out to be. i will leave the instance if...

A. i dont have much time and was hoping for a short run or trial in my roulette. when this is the case i will tell the pt right from the gate that i wont have time to complete the dungeon and will just eat the penalty rather than waste even more of peoples time by dropping half way thru.

B. if more than one person is severely under geared for the encounter. ive seen some really poorly geared people out there. and im sorry but im not going to waste my time with people who cant even be bothered to upgrade their gear for lvl 50 dungeons. the game practically throws gil at you while lvling up. use it to upgrade your gear. AF/GC gear doesn't bother me, but tanks in lvl 35 accessories that dont even have stats appropriate to their class will almost certainly provoke me to leave the dungeon early

C. the party wipes but then fails to communicate afterwards to try and remedy the situation. buy a fking keyboard off amazon for 10 bux and stop being lazy

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Scholar is a perfect job to deal with undergeared players, especially tanks. I had a lot of high level roulettes with 4k hp tanks and never failed any of them and neither it took considerable more time to finish. /dislike.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

Scholar is a perfect job to deal with undergeared players, especially tanks. I had a lot of high level roulettes with 4k hp tanks and never failed any of them and neither it took considerable more time to finish. /dislike.

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sure its possible, and i have no problem doing it. its just not my responsibility to pick up the slack for people who cant even be bothered to research how to gear their class properly. let me reiterate, i have no problems with a fresh 50 in af/gc gear in a hm dungeon. i have a problem with maruaders in stone vigil wearing lvl 23 dps gear. ive ran SV alot, ive seen it more that you would think

5 dungeons so far tonight city of amdipor and halatali hm ... the tank has left within the first 30 seconds of the dungeon there needs to be something done about this crap...

8 in a row now...

Well, an extension of this issue I've seen in Praetorium this week. Seems like a 50/50 chance anything you do in roulette or Duty Finder will end up with someone deliberately causing problems. Let's make it simple. If any of the following apply to you, save our time and don't bother using roulette ever again:

- Don't have time to partipate in a full run. (Not my problem you have work in 20 mins.)
- Have a burning hatred of certain content. (It's random. That's the point.)
- Can't appreciate other people don't want to carry you. (We don't.)
- Are not willing to contribute to the group. (I will report you afterwards.)
- Deliberately make mistakes, wipe the group or insult people to get kicked. (Will also report you.)
- Constantly re-queue to get what you want. (You're wasting your own time in the end.)

We don't have time for your flagrant disregard just as you "don't have time" to run Cutter's Cry / Hydra / Praetorium / Lost City of Amdapor etc.

get on this morning queue up get into dungeon trying to get roulettes done before reset and tanks keep bailing in first 10 seconds if it is not brayflox HM popping for them in roulette...

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

5 dungeons so far tonight city of amdipor and halatali hm ... the tank has left within the first 30 seconds of the dungeon there needs to be something done about this crap...

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Level PLD or WAR XD

Or use the PLD or WAR you have already levelled.

There you go, you've done something about it.

ok i queue with pld on expert roulette 20 mins ago got city of amdapor the whm goes oh i dont like this dungeon turns around and leaves and then so do others.... because they get no penalty its BS

this is still going on multiple times a day see people in every dungeon complainging no penalty if they leave immediately please fix this!!!!

There really does need to be a harsher penalty for this crap. Trying to get my roulettes done, spending 25 mins+ in a que (mostly people withdraw spamming), only to finally get in and the entire pt drops out -.- Got two more people to join in progress, instantly leave

3x in a row now, EVEN ON BRAYFLOX. The frack is wrong with people -.- Like I said before, doing this really needs to take away their roulette bonus

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Level PLD or WAR XD

Or use the PLD or WAR you have already levelled.

There you go, you've done something about it.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1568703/

ok thats great i have queued in as pld lots of times but when the whm bails and you sit in the dungeon for 15-20 minutes after the timer / dugeon has already started, the dungeon problem is NOT solved!!!

people who leave a dungeon should be penalized and not use exploits and bugs to ditch a dungeon in a certain time period and escape even the 30 minute penalty timer... just because they are paladin or healer they get insta queue and feel entitled and dont care because nothing is being done about deserting players and wrecking the game play..... and really for the people out there who don't have jobs level'd and don't want to play a healer or tank and are die hard dragoons for example should not be punished by people who feel entitled because they know they can get insta queue.

this is really horrible still happens multiple times daily... even worse around weekly reset please fix this!!!!! at least give them the 30 minutes for leaving before cs finishes!!!