IS it just me... or is FFXIV boring?

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Originally Posted by IvoryFox

That's a fair point too, MMO's are a farcry from what they used to be and there really is very little diversity to be found between the new titles. Meanwhile, the older ones have either bitten the dust or changed so dramatically they're not fun in the same way anymore, either. There was a good write up about "First love syndrome" when it comes to MMO's that explains some of it away, but you can certainly pin the lack of diversity on most MMO developers these days. But they make what sells so what'cha gonna do? I suspect a lot of us are just here "passing the time" till something better comes along, and we're probably a big part of the problem too, haha.

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Oh well... Guess we'll see if EQN breaks the mold or if it will be yet another pack of lies and unfulfilled promise... (still havent forgiven them for swg...)

*eye rolls* Back on topic. Yup, bored, hoping 2.1 brings a lot more than just useless housing.

I'm not bored but I have to preface that I haven't played an MMO in a very long time since FFXI and retired(twice) from it years ago so I've been waiting for another MMO for a looong time.

In fact I couldn't be happier, FINALLY a MMO that is not a huge time sink. I can actually get things done before I go to work and after instead of a fraction of it. I can actually play OTHER games, and watch football, bastketball, hit the bars and still get alot of things done. But there is something missing which I will point out later

I can only suggest two things that comes to mind

1. Go through another class, hell level them all to 15-20, Im a tank for life and I love the Warrior build it is so much fun to do, maybe you have't found the right class for you even though in your mind your born to be a BLM. IF tanking was boring it would be so hard for me to switch I might think the game boring too in some way.

2 Probably the most important factor in all MMOs....For all the Good Duty Finder is.....it is a community killer. Something I have yet to find is some close in game friends that MAKE you want to log in every day, nothing like completing even the simple task with people like minded whether your hardcore, casual or a griever(hater) player.

Welp back to my redbox movie then first thing in the morning do some crafting, football then some more FF(I might even skip football my team is on a BYE Week)

Thanks SE! You got it right, I don't care what they say about ya you alright with me with me.

Also thanks for the edit post tips, learn something new everyday

I have almost everything at 50 and I still find the game awesome.
The one thing I dont like are the gear stats, they are not interesting at all and I dont even have to think if something is better than the other, I just equip gear with better STR on my character.

Besides that I always have things to do in game, so no I dont find it boring.
Also Mass craft is an AWESOME feature.
It might fail 2=3 times in a hundred but spiritbonding and getting materials via this method is BOSS!

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Originally Posted by IvoryFox

But they make what sells so what'cha gonna do?

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Some people miss that "what sells" is equal to "what people want". Yes, this is about the general majority, and not the odd ones out there that usually roam forums and asks for the opposite.

I don't think you'll ever see a MMO designed for a tiny niche group that like tedious content without someone actually running a kickstarter project or something.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Some people miss that "what sells" is equal to "what people want". Yes, this is about the general majority, and not the odd ones out there that usually roam forums and asks for the opposite.

I don't think you'll ever see a MMO designed for a tiny niche group that like tedious content without someone actually running a kickstarter project or something.

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Somebody will definitely throw the McDonalds example at you for that argument...

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Some people miss that "what sells" is equal to "what people want". Yes, this is about the general majority, and not the odd ones out there that usually roam forums and asks for the opposite.

I don't think you'll ever see a MMO designed for a tiny niche group that like tedious content without someone actually running a kickstarter project or something.

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You won't get any disagreement from me.

EDIT: Aside from the fact that gearing up on any given job in this game ought to be the definition of tedious already.

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Originally Posted by Darlan_Ashwood

Maybe MMOs just aren't your thing man.

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I respectfully disagree. Why I do enjoy MMOs? Because of the sense of community, because of the challenge of coordinating with real people, some times against real people (PvP), in order to accomplish a common goal - that first time your corps/guild/FC/whatever kills a major boss after weeks or months of attempts is what makes MMOs worth playing. It's that sense of accomplishment... and right now, there is no sense of accomplishment. Yes, there is Bahamut's Coils, and yes the game is new, and yes I have played other MMOs in their vanilla stages (and those games weren't without their faults). However, as was previously mentioned by some one else... the story line does suddenly take a cliff dive at the end of the main story line, and without PvP, what exactly is there to do except mind numbingly gather, craft, or level a different class. Granted, this argument could be used for/against most MMOs, but all of the many MMOs I have played this is without question the most boring.

Now, I will say that perhaps I was a little hasty in my initial post... I was tired, frustrated, and I'm tired of AK taking longer than it really should after waiting in a 30+ minute que. Yes, the easy answer is to roll another job, which I intend on doing fairly soon, and to also roll with mates in my FC. I will also confess, that perhaps my perspective is heavily biased due to the play style of the black mage class, but really what is there to do with black mage? You have one DoT you keep an eye on, and then you alternate between fire/ice, with the occasional flare. I'm not asking for FFXIV to suddenly advance to the dozens of abilities that were made available over the years that WoW's been in business, but just by reading this thread it is obvious that more than a small minority of players feel the same way.

Yes, the game will get more interesting with time, and yes I am quite sure that additional features will become available as times goes on, and every MMO has its own 'birthing' process. I'd like to thank the people who actually offered positive advice in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

I respectfully disagree. Why I do enjoy MMOs? Because of the sense of community, because of the challenge of coordinating with real people, some times against real people (PvP), in order to accomplish a common goal - that first time your corps/guild/FC/whatever kills a major boss after weeks or months of attempts is what makes MMOs worth playing. It's that sense of accomplishment... and right now, there is no sense of accomplishment.

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Well, that's what the game is for me right now. I'm on a great Free Company and that's the feeling I get whenever I accomplish something.

I understand how not feeling that may affect your opinion of the game, but it is there if you can find it.

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Originally Posted by ArcheustheWise

*eye rolls* Back on topic. Yup, bored, hoping 2.1 brings a lot more than just useless housing.

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PvP arena
Primals extreme
Dungeons hard mode
Crystal Tower
Treasure hunting
Hildibrand

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

However, I find the game to be murderously boring.

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Your not wrong , this game is murderously boring. A new MMO comes out with 0 end game but Coil in 2013. What the Hell.
Vanilla wow had more endgame. Not to mention the combat system is way to slow and the server delay issue is an accepted bug.... GG. They should reduce all Cooldowns by at least 1 second. In addition to the fact nobody does any but Fate Grind to Lvl and when your Max its nothing but speedruns of AK/WP. Like really SE. Did you think people would stick around for something this dull.
Oh wait your releasing FC housing. Yeah cause thats more content that is supposed to keep me here. Why should i craft when at end game i can just get someone to do it for me making me not need to lvl it. Where are the non stop daily quests and Hardmode Dungeons like cmon. For a AAA release MMO this game completely fails
2.1 promises abit. But if i dont resub until then. Then ill just be undergeared compared to everyone that stayed. So whats the real point in returning. Like am i expected to push through the pain of nothing but AK/WP till release.. No thx

Ive been playing for two weeks, I have one battle class up to 50 and then I was so loving the crafting classes that I wanted to master those first. Then I found that materials were just too insanely expensive so I took up the gathering so I could get most of my own materials.

This game is built for someone to play at their leisure without too much reproach for being out of the rat race of world first dungeon clearings. I like it, personally. I dont care what dungeons somebody else cleared and flexing my epeen does nothing for me. Honestly the fact is hardcore players including hardcore pvp players comprise very little numbers on any given game. They are catering to what makes them money and the larger player base and that is the more casual player.

Game after hit 50 & getting DL + relic turning in , week cap , Coil PT and lv up something when real bored . Verdict : yes game boring atm ;( , but let's give SE time to fill game with content )

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

Game after hit 50 & getting DL + relic turning in , week cap , Coil PT and lv up something when real bored . Verdict : yes game boring atm ;( , but let's give SE time to fill game with content )

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This is a brand new release game in 2013. So your telling me im supposed to expect almost 0 endgame. Youve got to be kidding right.
Its the casual gamer which ruined things. Devs dont care about the hardcore player anymore.
"Oh , please dont grind in my game cause im accomidating for the casual player who only wants to play 1 hour a day" WTF. So your designing your game in such a way that if i grind to max level really fast i have nothing to do. Yeah fail.

Lets be real it doesnt take a pro to get bored here.
Im half casual and leveled and geared two jobs to 50, and now im either doing coil (fun), farming AK/WP (not so much) and crafting food (meh).
When CT gets out im sure it will be nice but not so challenging in i90 gear.
How long will i last?
Im sure the devs are well aware of this, and i hope they will work on it.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Lets be real it doesnt take a pro to get bored here.
Im half casual and leveled and geared two jobs to 50, and now im either doing coil (fun), farming AK/WP (not so much) and crafting food (meh).
When CT gets out im sure it will be nice but not so challenging in i90 gear.
How long will i last?
Im sure the devs are well aware of this, and i hope they will work on it.

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I agree with you. If i keep going , I can get full i90 gear on my tank. I could full DL my other 2 classes. But if i can already do everything with Full DL. Is there much point. I can see CT maybe mixing it up but unless it can offer something better then DL and not as good as i90 Myth. In addition to being faster and more efficient then AK/WP it will to fail like all the other instances.

It's just you.

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

It's predictable, to ask a question, and mostly get a "you don't like it, gtfo" response. Although I do thank the few bits of constructive advice - I will look into the summoner class.

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Yes, sadly any title to a thread like this draws in the SquareEnix defenders. They can't let SquareEnix or FFXIV be slandered in any way! The Demi God Yoshida has spoken!

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Originally Posted by Keyblade

This is a brand new release game in 2013. So your telling me im supposed to expect almost 0 endgame. You've got to be kidding right.
Its the casual gamer which ruined things. Devs don't care about the hardcore player anymore.

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Now, I will agree with you that devs should never tailor a game to the "casual gamer;" a casual gamer being a gamer that, typically, either desires to only play an hour or so a day or can only play an hour or so a day. These casual gamers also typically wish to experience end-game content and achieve the highest tier of gear. These course of tailoing ruins games. WoW is a fine example of this. Anyone who played Cata at launch will remember just how difficult heroics were, and how difficult Blackwing Descent was. Those players will also remember just how swiftly Blizz stepped in and nerfed those dungeons to the ground... so much so, that a dps could literally go afk for the dungeon without having any major effect on the group's progression. While this might be a bit exaggerated, it really took away from the game, it started the expansion down a path of ruin, but worst of all, it didn't help players get better - in fact, many players got worse.

Again, it is not the point of this thread to nerf the game. I don't want the game to be nerfed; rather, I am addressing some areas that I believe require adjustment. Server lag is a major issue - hopefully, it is not just accepted as a bug, and will be eliminated in time.

@ Keyblade LMAO! this game was set up for the hardcore players first it was the legacy players steering the ship through Alpha and most of beta. what they created is what the long time FFXIV playes kept cheering for in the beta forums anyone who disagreed with the way it was going was being banned from the forums because the hardcore fans kept reporting them for the most retarded reasons after they swarmed the threads with STFU and go back to WOW posts.

the lack of endgame is totally on their backs because they kept asking for retarded vanity perks for being legacy and trolled any thread that didn't call the game the second coming of Christ! what was supposed to accommodate the casual players kept being changed so the hardcore players wouldn't keep whining about no challenge. stop trying to blame casual players for the direction the game went they didn't keep kissing Yoshidas ass at every decision along the way the legacy players were.

The hardcore players cheered for the lack of time leveling not the casuals who in fact asked repeatedly to have longer leveling.
the Hardcore players kept cheering for the gear grind as endgame.
every time anyone said the game is going to be boring after 50 the hardcore kept saying "its only beta just wait"
when the game launched the excuse changed to "its only launch just wait"

sorry but I and many others don't think waiting 2-3 years for the game to have interesting content after level 50 is worth a monthly fee.
besides the way the game is set up now they would need to build from scratch the same kind of content post fifty as they created for pre fifty Not going to happen any time soon. the current direction is simply add more grind gear dungeons that have little reason to exist beyond getting a set of gear for the next pointless dungeon.

The problem is the gear treadmill. Soon the DL sets will be considered outdated and gimped and you are off to the next gear rat race, it's getting the next tier of gears or no bueno pretty much. The core game for first timer is amazing, from 1-50 full of new discovery and new interesting things. Then you hit level 50, and that was it for exploration and discovery. Now you are stuck at WP + AK, then your AF and primals, then off to Coil. They should have make Praetorium and CM drop 40 mythology tomes as well to give people 4 ways to get tomes.....

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

The problem is the gear treadmill. Soon the DL sets will be considered outdated and gimped and you are off to the next gear rat race, it's getting the next tier of gears or no bueno pretty much.

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No offense, but the 'gear treadmill' is true in just about every MMO. Whatever game you are in, or whatever expansion drops, the gear you have will be outdated and useless (sooner or later), and then you have to start from scratch; this is the sole reason I chose gil as a quest reward for over 95% of my quests - if I wanted gear, I received it in a dungeon, or picked it up cheap on the market board. About one of the only games where this isn't true is EVE Online... and that's because there is a purpose for just about every hull, every module, regardless of your total skill points.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

@ Keyblade LMAO! this game was set up for the hardcore players first it was the legacy players steering the ship through Alpha and most of beta. what they created is what the long time FFXIV playes kept cheering for in the beta forums anyone who disagreed with the way it was going was being banned from the forums because the hardcore fans kept reporting them for the most retarded reasons after they swarmed the threads with STFU and go back to WOW posts.
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How can you say it was setup for Hardcore players when its clear that the way the game is design now , its clearly all casual and your virtually punished with little content with you get to endgame. Now i cant comment on legacy cause i didnt play it then . But the direction the game has taken is for the casual not hardcore player

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

Don't be mistaken, I'm not one of those players who demands a game be nerfed, ... On a final note, has there been any word from SE about fixing the problematic lag that affects this game so frequently?

What can I do to make it more interesting?

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

Specifically speaking to the black mage class...

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

I also find there to be a gross lacking of quests... The fact that you have often to travel across the zone to reach a temporary FATE that you might not get any XP reward from also adds to this problem.

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

Gathering and crafting have interesting 'mini-games,' but crafting takes forever - it could be just me, ... It is awesome that gatherers have their own unique nodes, which virtually eliminates node thievery, leveling takes forever.

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

Hey all,

I'm not writing this to troll, ...

However, I find the game to be murderously boring.

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Now, I will agree with you that devs should never tailor a game to the "casual gamer;" a casual gamer being a gamer that, typically, either desires to only play an hour or so a day ...

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I respectfully disagree. Why I do enjoy MMOs? Because of the sense of community, ... the story line does suddenly take a cliff dive at the end of the main story line, and without PvP, what exactly is there to do except mind numbingly gather, craft, or level a different class. ... this is without question the most boring. ...

Yes, the game will get more interesting with time

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I srsly not sure if your ranting or being a troll. I would play it safe and say your ranting out of respect to the discussion because you very well seem to understand the game and now your way around it yet you lack the understanding how it's designed and why.

It srsly is a MMO and it should be about your friends and making more friends.

Please, have faith in not the game but your friends. Talk with you LS, organize FC runs and try to make it interesting because a lot of what you do alone/ solo isn't always going to be fun or interesting. SOLO IS BORING and if that's all your going to do, you'll die of boredom.

Believe me when I tell you, I'm a FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 vet and the emotions SE had evoked from me totally made the game worth it. That and the interactions with all types of players.
There's aspect of FFXI and XIV-1.0 that should be in ARR and vise-versa, this is what should be looked into.

SE has 11 years of experience with MMOs already plus the time with XIV, they should have it all together. The world is diverse and complicated but there's no solid formula how to please everyone but only to keep the MMO system and design flexible.

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Originally Posted by Bladenite81

meh most of the complainers are hard core players

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But I think that's part of the problem: the game as it's set up now funnels people entirely towards hard core end-game content: endless dungeon runs for gear, hard mode primals and Coil.

If the game was aiming for casual friendly, PvP should've made it in the initial release, along with a casual raid. I know these are coming in 2.1 but everything about 2.0 seemed focused on hard core players. Those players are probably getting burned out by so much repetitive content, while casuals feel like they're done when they finish the story and are then asked to farm endlessly for a raid they'll never do.

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Originally Posted by Keyblade

How can you say it was setup for Hardcore players when its clear that the way the game is design now , its clearly all casual and your virtually punished with little content with you get to endgame. Now i cant comment on legacy cause i didnt play it then . But the direction the game has taken is for the casual not hardcore player

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simple the hardcore DID NOT want a level grind to get to cap and they pestered the devs to make leveling retardedly fast. this was the hardcore players who demanded it not casuals.

the hardcore players kept signing and liking all posts by the dev team about making the endgame a gear grind they got what they asked for.

the Hardcore players kept whining about challenge on instances solo or party and yoshida kept upping the difficulty based on their(the devs) way of playing just because min maxers will bypass whats intended to make any run as easy as possible is not the devs problem.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I srsly not sure if your ranting or being a troll. I would play it safe and say your ranting out of respect to the discussion because you very well seem to understand the game and now your way around it yet you lack the understanding how it's designed and why.

It srsly is a MMO and it should be about your friends and making more friends.

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It sounds like your definition of ranting and a troll are the same thing. Whatever the case may be, it's really not hard to understand how the game was developed. In a nutshell, the original XIV was grossly terrible, and SE had to scramble to overhaul it to save face. In fact, Square Enix CEO Yoichi Wada is quoted for saying that the Final Fantasy franchise has been "greatly damaged" by it. I am also aware of the input from the player base during the Beta and Legacy phases.

Yes, MMOs should be about friends and making more friends, but tell me... just how long are your friends going to keep playing together if server lag is a significant issue and you are forced to play the same thing over and over again? True, other MMOs are virtually just that - the same dungeons over and over again, but they also had a ton of mini-stories that often connected with other mini-stories across several expansions. Yes - the game is but a few months old, but I'd like you tell me what is there to truly offer? What are some of your pros and cons?

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

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Ok so your one of the people that ruin the game and said hey get me to end game super fast and in a super boring fashion. Then Make a dungeon/raid about gear grind (which i agree with), but hey only make 1 dont give me any variety or nothing ( Disagree with). its to ridiculously easy for the Hardcore and Casual player to get Coil ready and then they made Coil so hard to do that only the most organised of FCs even attempt it and for what ? . If your geared enough to do Coil and 2.1 isnt bringing anything that cant be done with min DL. What the hell. Even the casual player now is at end game , with nothing really to do. Its to repeditive with no variety. Most dungeons now ppl dont even run. Prae and CM are prime examples. WP/AK is faster more effective. So why bother with others. Even if your right and they listen to the hardcore players. You have to admit when you get to endgame. Only having Coil to do and WP/AK is really boring.

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I disagree. I think your perception is a bit biased. I came into this game with a friend from Rift. I expected nothing and so far I have been pleasantly surprised. Now, I don't feel pushed to finish anything..I have not even finished the main story. That is not to say this game is perfect, it is far from it, its just to say that I enjoy the game warts and all at this very moment. I will not achieve my first step into Titan or the Coils for a few weeks yet I would guess and even when I do, its not something I will do for hours on end. Ill go, get a few things and then go gather or craft because I enjoy it and if I do not enjoy it, then Ill go lift some weights or hang out with my RL friends.

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Originally Posted by Keyblade

. Even if your right and they listen to the hardcore players. You have to admit when you get to endgame. Only having Coil to do and WP/AK is really boring.

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Quality PvP makes up for boring, grindy content. Player-created content = much cheaper than dev content. I think it was a huge mistake not to launch with PvP.

My fear about PvP in this game, though, is that it won't feel as satisfying without factions. You're not fighting "the bad guys" - you're fighting people who you won't even know what their name is?

And since there's no real customization of toons (no talent selection aside from cross-class skills), I worry the PvP will lose a little bit of the unpredictability you get from a wide variety of different talents.

@Keyblade the dev created numerous dungeons post 50 just that there is NO reason to do most more than once because they didn't give tombs and there is no set pieces worth farming from them. this is horrible planning yes. there is no current end goal Coil is not a goal yet just a cool dungeon to figure out. there needs to be a solid purpose to get that legendary equipment for like a (current) End boss which is available to do with whats currently in the launch.

the devs held back CT which should not have happened so half the content they expected players to use at the launch wasn't there. they woefully underestimated how fast players could burn through the main content (they expected weeks it was actually done in days) they forgot to add content relevant to leveling a second third and fourth job that did not include fate grinding. even a resetting of many quests if you use another job would have worked it would also solve the horrible lack of making gil pre fifty less of an issue.

thing is they did cater to the hardcores for many decisions problem was they did many things in half measures which ends up not working for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Keyblade

Even the casual player now is at end game , with nothing really to do. Its to repetitive with no variety. Most dungeons now ppl dont even run. Prae and CM are prime examples. WP/AK is faster more effective. So why bother with others.

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Your whole post was quite accurate. There really isn't any reason to run Prae/CM other than to complete the main story quest - the dungeons take far too long to complete, with minimal rewards. There really aren't any loot drops that motivate players into running those dungeons either. This is a recipe for disaster on both fronts... and that is the fault of the devs, not the players.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

they woefully underestimated how fast players could burn through the main content (they expected weeks it was actually done in days) they forgot to add content relevant to leveling a second third and fourth job that did not include fate grinding. even a resetting of many quests if you use another job would have worked it would also solve the horrible lack of making gil pre fifty less of an issue.

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There seems to be a pattern here where devs dramatically underestimate the power of the player base. Honestly, I don't see how this concept keeps getting forgotten. Now, that being said, I still believe that a majority of the player base still hasn't obtained max level on a single job, however what the devs have done with the 'final' dungeons leading up to Coils is pathetic. It was poor execution due to poor planning. Despite Blizzard's many faults... they were really smart when they split armor sets among different dungeons.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

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So you have just said.

NO reason to redo pre 50 dungeons. : Poor game creation. Not Making a Hardmore of Everything that gives Myth and Philo ( FAIL 1 )
DEVS held back CT. : No upon release it still wont really be benefitial to run unless you can run it super fast cause AK/WP will still be most effective (FAIL 2)
DEVS didnt expect people to Burn through Main Content , however made Fate Grind to 50 super easy ( FAIL 3 )
DEVS didnt make quests redoable and forgot to add content relevant to lvling ALTs meaning super ALT unfriendly ( FAIL 4 )
DEVS made Gil pretty useless pre 50 ( FAil 5 )

Need I say more about this game.

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Originally Posted by Keyblade

So you have just said.

NO reason to redo pre 50 dungeons. : Poor game creation. Not Making a Hardmore of Everything that gives Myth and Philo ( FAIL 1 )
DEVS held back CT. : No upon release it still wont really be benefitial to run unless you can run it super fast cause AK/WP will still be most effective (FAIL 2)
DEVS didnt expect people to Burn through Main Content , however made Fate Grind to 50 super easy ( FAIL 3 )
DEVS didnt make quests redoable and forgot to add content relevant to lvling ALTs meaning super ALT unfriendly ( FAIL 4 )
DEVS made Gil pretty useless pre 50 ( FAil 5 )

Need I say more about this game.

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yup that sums it up quite accurately however much some of the hardcore fans will deny it. the decisions many of us were trying to get the development team to fix during the beta were being squashed by the "the game does no wrong" fans who are now posting they have nothing interesting to do.

Not to be that guy but I think this game needed a few more months under the sun.
It feels rushed...either rushed or played far too safe.
They had no choice but to play safe because 1.0 was such a huge friggin' fail.
But I wouldn't of mind a lil' but of TLC for a few more months.
Just lacks variety is all. I'm honestly not a person who cares for end-game gear.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Not to be that guy but I think this game needed a few more months under the sun.
It feels rushed...either rushed or played far too safe.
They had no choice but to play safe because 1.0 was such a huge friggin' fail.

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But that's just it though... the game was rushed. SE lost millions of dollars in developing the first installment, that in order to save their beloved franchise they had to give the fans something worth playing. If they hadn't taken such an immediate round-turn on the game, they may never have been able to restore the game and the faith of the fans. As a result of their rush, the game as it stands (in my opinion) is incomplete and I also think that quests should be reset for each job. I loathe at the prospect of having to only FATE and dungeon grind each new job to max.

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i will not deny that they have fail on many point.... however:

1) it take a lot of time to balance an old dungeon for caracter level 50, since we get capacity we didn't had at this range of level. most of the boss will need a huge change and add of capacity for offer a decent challenge. making hasty increase of hp is not enough for make a good hardmode dungeon. they have announced already that two old dungeon will get a hardmode for the 2.1

2) dev have held back CT... god bless them if it was too hard to do in DF, when this dungeon is made for this!! it was better to held it balance it and all... instead to have something bugged or too hard, without forget they had a loooot at work at the release like... increase server capacity and all.

3) on this one i totally aggre with you! but it's our fault as beta tester to not have think people will simply see it like a free exp gain... we was enjoying the game more than grinding like crazy!

4) same, they need to add more content for alt, they talk about what they will add to the 2.1, but i wait to see this one.

5) we don't really need gil and don't really get a lot. then i guess is ok... without forget the game start at 50 not before 50.

ps: the biggest fail is the waiting for the 2.1 that will be the true launch of the game that my most important concern... and more important, do we will have enough content for wait the 2.2? let's wait and see.

The only problems I personally have with this game right now are:

1.) Not enough instances, and the instances that there are (aside from AK and WP) all feel like "do em once and never again". Brayflox's has gear sets that you might want to get through multiple runs, but all of the other instances are 1 shot only affairs IMO.
2.) Not nearly enough quests from 45 on up, and not enough quests in general at all to level more than one job on a single character.
3.) FATES are too simplistic, even compared to Dynamic Events in Guild Wars 2, and they, as has been mentioned many times, give far too much exp for far too little effort.
4.) Levequests are garbage, especially GC Leve's. Both Seals and EXP are FAR more quickly gained FATE grinding.
5.) Itemization in this game is horridly bland. There are no weapon procs, no items with interesting effects analogous to trinkets in WoW, etc.
6.) The Materia system is woefully underdeveloped and utilized.
7.) The lag/positional update delay, bad netcode, WHATEVER is causing people with good connections and 60 FPS to get hit by attacks even when far out of the red, is absolutely stupid, and I've never seen it before in ANY mmo.

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Originally Posted by Ithilien

but tell me... just how long are your friends going to keep playing together if server lag is a significant issue ... you tell me what is there to truly offer? What are some of your pros and cons?

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In terms of getting a larger audience:
Pros: Familiar game mechanics(at least for new FF-players)

Cons: Predictable

I'd be bias to say FFXI was the best MMO I ever played. It felt like being in another world without limits or restrictions. It felt organic.

Pros: ARR has scenery and personality

Cons: Feels restricted and relatively small(with hopes for new zones)

Friends will come and go but the ones that stay will form memories and that is priceless:

Pros: I've met players from other games asking for help, I help them enjoy the game. They also help me enjoy the game. Parties get bonuses so use it as much as possible.

Cons: You get a mix bag of opinion about the game, players quit for selfish reasons and bring a bad influence w/o creating solutions. Friends from old games are no longer around due to the server-data center relationship. Users want a good PING.

NOT much more to share. The only way to further your experience in this "Main-stream MMO" is to immerse yourself some more. Play in part-mode more. oh...!

Party mode:
Pros: Grants you bonus exp and maybe more if your fighting a tough mob!

Cons: No open dungeons or zones to go to for a full advantage of the party system. ARR funnels players into the duty-finder to get exp and gear.

Final Fantasy 11 has to be my best example to use as a standard(well, until Abysea came around). It had story and quest and environments and mystery and lore. Though now you can look up all the information about it, much you answers would have to come from friends, link shells or from shouting. Not because you were lazy and it wasn't online for research, it was because things in FFXI was really a mystery! You either too new to know about things or you just wasn't there t learn.
ARR hands everything to yo on a plate and your well served. Eat up!