With Apologies to Sena Bryer

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

conveniently, you skipped your own interpretation, which was wrong.

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So what part of Wuk Lamat's character do you think he was implying made the game "go woke"?

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...sCmiY/200.webp

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it's spaghett!

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

So what part of Wuk Lamat's character do you think he was implying made the game "go woke"?

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i don't know and genuinely don't care. grummz is a video game grifter, jumping on controversies, his words literally doesn't matter to me.

can you explain what is your point anyway - like, why did you reply to me? since i did acknowledge weird people exist from the beginning?

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

i don't know and genuinely don't care. grummz is a video game grifter, jumping on controversies, his words literally doesn't matter to me.

can you explain what is your point anyway - like, why did you reply to me? since i did acknowledge weird people exist from the beginning?

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Because you said:

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it.

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Grummz has 188k followers on Twitter, and there's currently 3,894 likes on that post. I posted that screenshot to show you it is more common than you think.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

My hope is that they'll save me the time and energy of blacklisting me for calling them transphobes. They'd be doing me a favor lol

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I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

But honestly at this point it also just makes me sad; it's a sad indictment of how far we as a species have fallen.

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Yeah it's sad.
I was a teen/young adult at the end of the 90's

At that time we were a group friends with a lot of diversity.
For the guy :
- Me with a peculiar name for my country related to a certain part of it with a certain "reputation" (more likely a more or less false stereotype : we are some sort of stuborn grumpy drunkard.)
- One a typical name for my country
- An hyspanic (his parent imigratedfrom Spain before his birth. his was Bisexual)
- a west Indians? (Antillais)
- A metiss (his mother was from Cameroun)
- An Algerian (origin, he was born in my country. he was Muslin)
For the girl :
- a couple of Lesbian
- an Indian
- A tomboy (but damn she had such beautiful face)
- A goth.

We didn't care about skin colors, sexual preference or religion.
We were going into club, rave party.
We did some Gay Pride where eveyrone was welcomed with open arms. Thoses event was filled with fun, warm, kindness. Nobody carred about other sexuall preference... we were just here to celebrate freedom.
We also did march against discrimination.

And we did everything filled with hope for a better tomorow. So that we can all live peacefully as a one big community

25 years laters.... All is see is hate, cummunitarism, minory, identity, insult, rage, aggressivity.... And i wonder : What did we miss, or didn't do for the situation gone so wrong? When it started to turn sour?

And it make me sad, frustrated and angry... It shoudln't be like that, it isn't what we wanted and whished for.... maybe, after all, it was just a big utopia enhanced by the naivety of the youth.
I don't know.... *sigh*

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Originally Posted by Lorika

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Maybe someday we'll get back to that. I'm tired of this too.

We want diversity, but nobody wants to accept disagreement. We want uniqueness, but only within the lines. We want to be equal, but some people want to be more equal than others. It's exhausting.

There's people in this thread who I disagree with, but who've presented their positions politely and calmly, without calling people names. I wish them well, because even if I don't agree with them, we can find common ground in civility.

Then there's the other people. I will refrain from directly commenting on them.

Just hang in there. Sanity'll come back soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.

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I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

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I'm genuinely just posting here to fill time while I wait in queue, and just dropping info and dispelling misinfo wherever I can lol. But thanks <3 It doesn't bother me, I am used to it.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

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Cheers, brother

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine




https://www.teenvogue.com/story/latine-vs-latinx-what-young-people-think

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Funny that you left out the part that said ''Not everyone has been so quick to adopt the term — it’s received substantial backlash from people of Latin descent in the U.S. In a 2020 survey, the Pew Research Center found that “Latinx” is used by just 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S. Some feel it contorts the Spanish language, while others don’t believe in adopting a term that’s fairly difficult to pronounce in Spanish. ''

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine

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I'm pretty sure everyone is taught in their teen years that Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source due to how it can be edited by anyone.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Funny that you left out the part that said ''Not everyone has been so quick to adopt the term — it’s received substantial backlash from people of Latin descent in the U.S. In a 2020 survey, the Pew Research Center found that “Latinx” is used by just 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S. Some feel it contorts the Spanish language, while others don’t believe in adopting a term that’s fairly difficult to pronounce in Spanish. ''

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Yeah that's why I quoted someone who prefers to use "Latine" instead explain why. Keep reading.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'm pretty sure everyone is taught in their teen years that Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source due to how it can be edited by anyone.

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Okay? There's plenty of sources linked in the Wikipedia page that back up the origin of where Latinx/Latine came from, which is queer activists of Latin American descent.

It's not like it's being forced upon people, it specifically was created as a gender neutral term for queer people of Latin American descent to use for themselves. You don't have to use it. But it genuinely is a term that queer people of Latin American descent and Latin American use for themselves so I don't really know what your argument is with it.

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Originally Posted by ViaDesperare

You know that you don't have to undergo the procedure to be trans these days, right?
In terms of Gender Dysphoria, since I used to have it, it went away around the 20's and I ended up gay. In terms of surgery and what not, they don't tell you that your body closes up itself and you have to keep something somewhere to keep that part open. Our bodies don't remold like clay, so any procedure to open or change a part will close up on itself. Medication is used to stabilize the body; everyone does not have the opportunity to have such a healthcare so many Trans people do not get the care they need and then their body starts to reject itself and more health complication happens. In terms of healthcare, that's its own conundrum that I can't talk about, but the populace will not be happy to pay for someone's transition when they are already not happy about SSI payments and the like.

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I'm familiar with all of this. I was just using a singular example to elaborate on my point.
A friend of mine saved up for her surgery and it has been a long and painful journey that I have heard much about. She is happy though.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

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I'm unsure where this came from. I can only assume people are trying to intentionally paint me in a bad light and whip out things I never said. I never said transwomen don't experience misogyny.
Besides, misogyny comes in many forms and can even negatively affect cismen if they don't neatly fall into boxes people want to put them in (i.e. bullying for being effeminate if you are a man vs bullying for not being effeminate if you are a woman). It affects everyone. It is similar to how racism affects each group differently... because they are different. You should know this.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Yeah that's why I quoted someone who prefers to use "Latine" instead explain why. Keep reading.



Okay? There's plenty of sources linked in the Wikipedia page that back up the origin of where Latinx/Latine came from, which is queer activists of Latin American descent.

It's not like it's being forced upon people, it specifically was created as a gender neutral term for queer people of Latin American descent to use for themselves. You don't have to use it. But it genuinely is a term that queer people of Latin American descent and Latin American use for themselves so I don't really know what your argument is with it.

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I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know. I don't think it's typically the person listening to your presentations responsibility to do the research for the presenter.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know.

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Yeah, that'd require verifying what those sources contain, if the sources are still available and not behind paywalls, if they even say what the source links claim...

I've done the wikipedia dig. Trust me, anything *remotely* connected to the social sciences is at best a narrative, at worst outright lies. Technical/mathematical stuff is usually good, raw historical content is hit-and-miss, but social stuff? Yeah no, I've seen the outright lies there.

Wikipedia and Teen Vogue as sources. C'mon, there's gotta be something better than that...

*Checks wikipedia*

Citation that it's not in common usage, cool. Loops back to the Teen Vogue one that references that same Pew research the Wikipedia article links to, and a number of unrelated topics that are already focused on a preordained conclusion rather than summrizing the facts. Neat.

I'm glad to see that Sena's defense is upheld by sterling scholars. She is truly one of the people of all time. I hope some day to insult people as frequently and openly as she does, and have such ardent defenders.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I'm unsure where this came from. I can only assume people are trying to intentionally paint me in a bad light and whip out things I never said. I never said transwomen don't experience misogyny.
Besides, misogyny comes in many forms and can even negatively affect cismen if they don't neatly fall into boxes people want to put them in (i.e. bullying for being effeminate if you are a man vs bullying for not being effeminate if you are a woman). It affects everyone. It is similar to how racism affects each group differently... because they are different. You should know this.

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Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know. I don't think it's typically the person listening to your presentations responsibility to do the research for the presenter.

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Unfortunately these forums have a limited number of words you can post so all I could do was just link the Wikipedia page for you to do that on your own. And the article I quoted was one of the Wikipedia sources.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.



Unfortunately these forums have a limited number of words you can post so all I could do was just link the Wikipedia page for you to do that on your own.

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You can edit your post afterwards to include more words after hitting the limit, just a PSA.

Maybe if Grummz makes enough noise they'll put his famous space bus in the online store as a mount.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.

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Okay, so you are being so disingenuous. You understood what I meant the first time and are just being pedantic. We do have unique struggles (as you have just said yourself) and I never said all of our struggles are completely separate because that is asinine. And that is a very broad and reductive definition of misogyny used to erase the uniqueness of each group. There are many facets of it that each group simply cannot experience in any way, shape, or form unless God comes down, reverses time, and has them born as the opposite sex.

Moreover, empathizing is not the same as experiencing so nothing you have said changes what I said. Good job.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

The fact that per capita domestic violence in the US is highest amongst Lesbian couples?

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This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Okay, so you are being so disingenuous. You understood what I meant the first time and are just being pedantic. We do have unique struggles (as you have just said yourself) and I never said all of our struggles are completely separate because that is asinine. And that is a very broad and reductive definition of misogyny used to erase the uniqueness of each group. There are many facets of it that each group simply cannot experience in any way, shape, or form unless God comes down, reverses time, and has them born as the opposite sex.

Moreover, empathizing is not the same as experiencing so nothing you have said changes what I said. Good job.

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I'm not trying to argue with you or say you're a bigot or whatever is making you get so hostile in response. I am only telling you about my own personal experience with what you are talking about. If you wanna get offended over me saying that cis women and trans women can empathize with each other over our own experiences with misogyny then I guess that's just, like, your opinion man. I personally think that is a good thing, but okay.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.

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Well, logical if you think really about it and use your brain for more than a mere second : the very vast majority of couple on this planet are Hetero couple... So it's logical that the vast majority of the victim have a male as perpetrator.
Does it make the other statistic a lie? nope, not in the slighest... Saying otherwise is just hyprocrisy

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.



I'm not trying to argue with you or say you're a bigot or whatever is making you get so hostile in response. I am only telling you about my own personal experience with what you are talking about.

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Oh cool he's wrong too.

The same statistics show that 66% of those lesbians did only ever experience violence at the hands of other women. At best and worst we're both wrong and the statistics suck (which I would agree with).

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Well, logical if you think really about it and use your brain for more than a mere second : the very vast majority of couple on this planet are Hetero couple... So it's logical that the vast majority of the victim have a male as perpetrator.
Does it make the other statistic a lie? nope, not in the slighest... Saying otherwise is just hyprocrisy

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Judging by the quality of their other arguments, I'm not sure they understand what 'per capita' means.

That said, can we get back to complaining about VAs? That's the thread topic.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Oh cool he's wrong too.

The same statistics show that 66% of those lesbians did only ever experience violence at the hands of other women. At best and worst we're both wrong and the statistics suck (which I would agree with).

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That's because you're missing this part:

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The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and female perpetrators. Similarly, 61.1% of bisexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study with 89.5% reporting at least one perpetrator being male. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported having been victim of intimate partner violence, with 98.7% of them reporting male perpetrators exclusively.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domest..._relationships

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Judging by the quality of their other arguments, I'm not sure they understand what 'per capita' means.

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An important thing to note is the distinction "reported".

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In spite of the shocking prevalence of domestic violence (around 1 in 4 women will experience violence at the hands of a partner), according to the Crime Report, nearly half (44%) of domestic violence cases go unreported.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Judging by the quality of their other arguments, I'm not sure they understand what 'per capita' means.

That said, can we get back to complaining about VAs? That's the thread topic.

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I can't really comlain.... I play with JP Voices :p
But i did listen to some cuscene in English and in French.
Generally i don't like Dub in my language, especially for Video Game (except for some AAA like Mass Effect and other Bioware games around this time) and Anime (They simply crap, pure crap... In France, Anime Dub aren't taken seriously.... While Movie and Serie have generally good to very high quality Dub... And Video game, only a few dev really take it seriously)
But even i must say that the (average) French Dub is 10 times better that the English Dub XD

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

That's because you're missing this part:
The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and female perpetrators.

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I didn't miss that. The statistics suck and I agreed from a cursory look at the stats provided that I was wrong about Lesbians having the highest rate, but multiple instances of DV can happen from multiple perpetrators and there's not enough data. Unless you're going to infer it from other groups which is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

I can't really comlain.... I play with JP Voices :p
But i did listen to some cuscene in English and in French.
Generally i don't like Dub in my language, especially for Video Game (except for some AAA like Mass Effect and other Bioware games around this time) and Anime (They simply crap, pure crap... In France, Anime Dub aren't taken seriously.... While Movie and Serie have generally good to very high quality Dub... And Video game, only a few dev really take it seriously)
But even i must say that the (average) French Dub is 10 times better that the English Dub XD

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French and German put in work. I don't know what the absolute f*** happened with the English dub, but it was... so bad. Just... I don't even know what was going on there. I can only assume someone was pocketing money because it was unacceptably bad.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Yeah that's why I quoted someone who prefers to use "Latine" instead explain why. Keep reading.

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I've seen it the first time, I've just ignored it cause the quote is just an random Anecdote and make out a poor argument. It also dosen't change only 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S use it.

Oh yea and considering your wikipedia article state that the term itself just come from U.S Academia, I can only picture it like every other similar ''woke term''. AKA it just something created by a bunch of White people who want to virtue signal and yap about a culture or sub-culture they barely know about.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

French and German put in work. I don't know what the absolute f*** happened with the English dub, but it was... so bad. Just... I don't even know what was going on there. I can only assume someone was pocketing money because it was unacceptably bad.

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And the most funny thing is.... French dub is almost unnecessary.
There is a lot of French that use JP Voices instead.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.
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Literally the top comment in your link pointed out how wrong the statistics were.

Combined with your demeanor in previous posts, I think you’ve delved to deep in the ideology of yours.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

And the most funny thing is.... French dub is almost unnecessary.
There is a lot of French that use JP Voices instead.

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After this, I'm migrating that direction too. Can't trust English speakers not to f*** it up.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Literally the top comment in your link pointed out how wrong the statistics were.

Combined with your demeanor in previous posts, I think you’ve delved to deep in the ideology of yours.

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But there is a reply to that post right here:

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In a relationship in which violence is introduced or present, women are slightly more likely to be the ones committing non-reciprocal violence, or the ones starting the reciprocal violence. However, the vast majority of women who commit violence to a partner report doing so out of self-defense (including when she is the first person to be violent, because he may have been using non-violent or non-violent-to-her intimidation to cause her to feel threatened), and the vast majority of men who commit violence to a partner report doing so out of a need for "control". Men are also more likely to commit serious damage during domestic violence, as well as sexual abuse, coercion, and stalking.

Thus, many domestically violent women—especially those who are involved with the criminal justice system—are not the sole perpetrators of violence. The victimization they have experienced from their male partners is an important contextual factor in understanding their motivations for violence. Some women who have been adjudicated for a domestic violence offense are, in fact, battered women who fought back (Kernsmith, 2005; Miller, 2005). They may well be at the same level of risk of serious injury or death as battered women who are seeking shelter.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Judging by the quality of their other arguments, I'm not sure they understand what 'per capita' means.

That said, can we get back to complaining about VAs? That's the thread topic.

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The thread topic was actually "don't send death threats to VAs" - which could have been covered in less than a page of comments, but here we are.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine

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Since you like to label people so easily, I'll go ahead and say it.

Good ol' anglophone trying to colonize, this time, our language. If there's latinos that don't like it in the US, I can assure you that whenever someone tries to use it here, everyone will tell them to speak properly.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

The thread topic was actually "don't send death threats to VAs" - which could have been covered in less than a page of comments, but here we are.

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Pretty sure we all agree death threats are wrong, but we're yet to see those.

Last one I saw, the VA was using the fact that someone roasted the size of her forehead as a way to lure people to comment how awesome she is and how everyone else is a transphobe.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Pretty sure we all agree death threats are wrong, but we're yet to see those.

Last one I saw, the VA was using the fact that someone roasted the size of her forehead as a way to lure people to comment how awesome she is and how everyone else is a transphobe.

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Yup you’ve said as much already as have others and I’m not sure what further depth of discussion could be had from the point. If we were to wager money I’d bet against your skepticism on the side she got at least one given how death threat prone gamers are on X when they dislike something. But, I already said this too as have others.

What’s left here really has nothing to do with XIV.

I love coming to this thread now n then just to see FlowerMilk yap, a true forums cryptid

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Yup you’ve said as much already as have others and I’m not sure what further depth of discussion could be had from the point. If we were to wager money I’d bet against your skepticism on the side she got at least one given how death threat prone gamers are on X when they dislike something. But, I already said this too as have others.

What’s left here really has nothing to do with XIV.

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Some people have no filter for sure, but as I said before, if serious threats were sent her way, I hope the proper measures were taken aside from just making claims.

Aside from that, there's not much related to xiv as you said.

But you know what is related to xiv?

https://i.imgur.com/r5qPZT5.png

Is it just me of is Squeaks the Coyote cross-eyed?

To me the conversation is going back and forth between FlowerMilk finding new ways to call people transphobes and some others re-enacting Mean Girls when Lindsey Lohan keeps repeating the same stories about Regina. Instead here it’s Sena. At least it rhymes.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I'm familiar with all of this. I was just using a singular example to elaborate on my point.
A friend of mine saved up for her surgery and it has been a long and painful journey that I have heard much about. She is happy though.

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I hope things keep going well for her. The guy I know, watching his life through facebook has been horrific. Watching him slowly deteriorate and basically die with no way to get help, is extremely painful. I stopped checking the page when he started posting blood related pictures, because I don't want to see those stuff... I didn't like the guy for bullying my female friends, but he shouldn't be going out that way.

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Originally Posted by IvoryHawk

I love coming to this thread now n then just to see FlowerMilk yap, a true forums cryptid

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Don't forget the racism. No one knows the Latin American culture and language better than FlowerMilk, not even the native inhabitants! I feel like FlowerMilk is always trying to one up SwadTheFrog and Midare, who are both Latin American Natives iirc? Like man the colonization and racism are strong as heck in this one.

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Originally Posted by IvoryHawk

I love coming to this thread now n then just to see FlowerMilk yap, a true forums cryptid

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Sorry to disappoint but I'm done yapping, thanks <3

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