With Apologies to Sena Bryer

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Originally Posted by Alchemii

I know this is gonna be outside of your realm of understanding, as your ability to understand is extremely limited based on what I've seen of your posts, but it is not up to you how people address you. You can only request that they address you a specific way, but at the end of the day they don't have to honor that request. And if your Sena, who is extremely unlikeable and goes out of his way to antagonize people, they are actually more likely to not go along with your request.

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Oh no you see it absolutely is up to me how people adress me lol. I'm not saying this to be threatening. I won't force you to adress me how I want, but I'll simply not engage with you. Have fun talking to a wall if you needed my help with anything lol.

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

It is up to you to decide what you want to be called and it is up to me to respect that if we are to have a civil discussion with each other. I can't believe I need to explain this. So yes I can adress you how I want but then you have the right to ignore me and call me what ever you want and the conversation goes no where lol.

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Yep, that's the beauty of choice. You won't get along with everyone and everyone doesn't have to like you, same as I won't get along with everyone and everyone doesn't have to like me. That's just a part of life.

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Originally Posted by Antharaes

Not to be rude or anything, but you do realise, you're just adding to the arrogant, despicable, toxic and thus pathetic people by that statement right ?

And to be rude, Sena Bryer is a piss poor person, doesn't matter if she is trans, she's just plain rude and uses the fact that she is trans as a weapon. Furthermore, she did a piss poor performance and again, that has nothing to do with her being trans and yes, I did use the right noun...she.

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Pretty much. I could care less how she views herself, her being trans isn't the issue. My issue with her/this thread is that:

- She comes off petty/desperate when people don't give her the attention she wants, compared to cis-women in her eyes
- Her voice acting wasn't on the level I'd expect from FF14 and I don't get why SE couldn't just hire a native speaker the same way that other games do like Reverse:1999. They could literally go grab Centurion's VA as an example and probably get a more accurate portrayal.
- How some people here think it's a sane idea to send people to jail for years for misgendering someone, even if they don't have malicious intent behind it and it's purely accidental

None of my issues are with her gender, my issues are with her personality and the genuinely concerning viewpoints she and others here have.

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

You can think your having a social interaction all you want. If the other person does not adress you back? Then you are talking to yourself.

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Yeah, bud... uh... That's still social interaction. A person isn't speaking to an inanimate object just because the other person decides not to engage.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

Yeah, bud... uh... That's still social interaction. A person isn't speaking to an inanimate object just because the other person decides not to engage.

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Sure thing dude. A father walks into a room and starts talking to his son not knowing his earphones are in - father leaves room thinking he had a conversation but was simply talking to himself...do you see your logic here?

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

Sure thing dude. A father walks into a room and starts talking to his son not knowing his earphones are in - father leaves room thinking he had a conversation but was simply talking to himself...do you see your logic here?

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Your comparisons are so off the mark. Those 2 scenarios aren't even close to the same.
The first is you straight up ignoring someone but can still hear them.
The second is the son not even aware you're talking to him.

When someone is ignoring you, they can still hear what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

Yeah, bud... uh... That's still social interaction. A person isn't speaking to an inanimate object just because the other person decides not to engage.

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I've got no horse in this race but... you are trying to explain social interactions to someone who earlier in this thread was comparing people to fanatics of that one regime from the 1940's...

You can try to explain to a fish how to walk, but it won't start training to run a marathon.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Your comparisons are so off the mark. Those 2 scenarios aren't even close to the same.
The first is you straight up ignoring someone but can still hear them.
The second is the son not even aware you're talking to him.

When someone is ignoring you, they can still hear what you're saying.

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If you think my neighbor had a social interaction with me simply because he goes outside to cry at the sky when I let my dogs outside. Then I don't know what to tell you. Social interactions require a response so that both parties have a mutual understanding and level of attention.

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Originally Posted by Midare

I've got no horse in this race but... you are trying to explain social interactions to someone who earlier in this thread was comparing people to fanatics of that one regime from the 1940's...

You can try to explain to a fish how to walk, but it won't start training to run a marathon.

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Fair point...
Part of me just can't help but try, you know?

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

If you think my neighbor had a social interaction with me simply because he goes outside to cry at the sky when I let my dogs outside. Then I don't know what to tell you. Social interactions require a response so that both parties have a mutual understanding and level of attention.

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I'm sorry but all I can visualize now is your neighbor sitting outside crying at the moon with your dogs lol.

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

If you think my neighbor had a social interaction with me simply because he goes outside to cry at the sky when I let my dogs outside. Then I don't know what to tell you. Social interactions require a response so that both parties have a mutual understanding and level of attention.

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Again making a seperate comparison that's different from the last 2 examples...
So let's take your father son scenario and change it a tad.
Son did something wrong and is in his room. Father goes in and starts lecturing the son. Son doesn't respond. Does that mean the conversation never happened and the son can say he never responded so it didn't happen???
Just because you choose to not respond doesn't mean the conversation didn't take place. You can say it was one sided but it still occured.

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Originally Posted by Midare

I've got no horse in this race but... you are trying to explain social interactions to someone who earlier in this thread was comparing people to fanatics of that one regime from the 1940's...

You can try to explain to a fish how to walk, but it won't start training to run a marathon.

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This entire thread plays dumb in the most overt way. I believe it was something about respect towards other cultures and not doing certain gestures in Germany that certain idiot tourists get arrested for over there. Something something respect people. Even if it doesn't make sense to you.

Just stop responding to him so the conversation never happened

Sena: openly calls for actors to abandon roles they don't fit because of gender identity while refusing to do the same, then plays a role while not even remotely speaking the relevant language or being part of the culture.

Also Sena: is surprised she gets criticized.

These people: ur all beegot.

Gotta love it, it's like comedy.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

They're all probably banned from other FFXIV communities, so they gather here to an unmoderated forum to just be awful people because it's the only place where they can get away with it. At this point I think they should leave the thread here, so everyone knows who to blacklist.

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My hope is that they'll save me the time and energy of blacklisting me for calling them transphobes. They'd be doing me a favor lol

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Sena: openly calls for actors to abandon roles they don't fit because of gender identity while refusing to do the same, then plays a role while not even remotely speaking the relevant language or being part of the culture.

Also Sena: is surprised she gets criticized.

These people: ur all beegot.

Gotta love it, it's like comedy.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Sena: openly calls for actors to abandon roles they don't fit because of gender identity while refusing to do the same, then plays a role while not even remotely speaking the relevant language or being part of the culture.

Also Sena: is surprised she gets criticized.

These people: ur all beegot.

Gotta love it, it's like comedy.

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What gets me is and I am trans I do not even understand this part. We are just women nothing more nothing less. I should be able to take part in things women can do without being judged. Yet when a trans character comes into a play yeah they must be voiced by a trans person since we are more then just a woman. Like come on we need to make up our mind.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

What gets me is and I am trans I do not even understand this part. We are just women nothing more nothing less. I should be able to take part in things women can do without being judged. Yet when a trans character comes into a play yeah they must be voiced by a trans person since we are more then just a woman. Like come on we need to make up our mind.

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Internalized transphobia or something. And I'm kind of serious. Internalized homophobia is absolutely a thing and widely recognized in the LGBT community, as well as outside of it. It seem to me like the mechanism here is similar. Maybe some internalized misogyny on top of it.

A person who is secure in their identity doesn't spew the hate that Sena does. They don't try to assert themselves at the expense of others. She does. CONSTANTLY. Tweet where she states a woman is not allowed to play a (trans) woman, despite the voice actor having done a stellar job and gotten praised for it. Tweet where she calls other cis women ugly, then posts a picture of herself with her age attached, saying that she is trans and prettier. I mean holy crap, talk about insecurity. Tweet where she acts like people are in the wrong for supporting a different woman only because that other woman is pretty and cis, and only trans women are worthy of support.

Just. Why? What is that? Are we not all women here? Why the hell does she feel entitled to put other fellow women down? She is hateful and toxic. And insecure to boot. I am sorry, but instead of stewing in her toxic twitter echo chamber, she should find a therapist and work through her issues. She will come out the other end a happier person. This is not an offensive statement meant to harass her, nor is it transphobic or whatever else people would love to come up with. I've been in therapy too! There's nothing shameful about it! Sometimes you look at a person and you see all those flags screaming that they are clearly seeking help, attention and affirmation. And the answer is therapy.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

Sena: openly calls for actors to abandon roles they don't fit because of gender identity while refusing to do the same, then plays a role while not even remotely speaking the relevant language or being part of the culture.

Also Sena: is surprised she gets criticized.

These people: ur all beegot.

Gotta love it, it's like comedy.

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I love that they're dragging out the "phobic/ist/bigot" terms for the people insulting Sena, too. Like this isn't just Insults 101 to go after what your target cares about most. Like you'd make fun of a short person's height, or a fat person's weight. Or calling someone who's insure about their looks ugly. Sena very obviously cares about her gender, so of course it's the easiest weapon to use against them. You don't have to be [SJW Buzzword] to know that.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

What gets me is and I am trans I do not even understand this part. We are just women nothing more nothing less. I should be able to take part in things women can do without being judged. Yet when a trans character comes into a play yeah they must be voiced by a trans person since we are more then just a woman. Like come on we need to make up our mind.

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There's nothing confusing about it. Someone who thinks women shouldn't have jobs they are qualified for has a sexist attitude towards women. It's as old as time itself. What's new is that people are allowed to be openly and publicly sexist as long as they enjoy the privilege of being in a protected group.

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Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa

A person who is secure in their identity doesn't spew the hate that Sena does. They don't try to assert themselves at the expense of others. She does. CONSTANTLY. Tweet where she states a woman is not allowed to play a (trans) woman, despite the voice actor having done a stellar job and gotten praised for it. Tweet where she calls other cis women ugly, then posts a picture of herself with her age attached, saying that she is trans and prettier. I mean holy crap, talk about insecurity. Tweet where she acts like people are in the wrong for supporting a different woman only because that other woman is pretty and cis, and only trans women are worthy of support.

Just. Why? What is that? Are we not all women here? Why the hell does she feel entitled to put other fellow women down? She is hateful and toxic. And insecure to boot. I am sorry, but instead of stewing in her toxic twitter echo chamber, she should find a therapist and work through her issues. She will come out the other end a happier person. This is not an offensive statement meant to harass her, nor is it transphobic or whatever else people would love to come up with. I've been in therapy too! There's nothing shameful about it! Sometimes you look at a person and you see all those flags screaming that they are clearly seeking help, attention and affirmation. And the answer is therapy.

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This might be a controversial thing to say but this is why I feel that some members of the trans community don't necessarily have the right intentions for why they want to be a woman. I feel like some view being a woman as a quick gateway to attention/praise/easy success/being taken care of and not that it's about making themselves feel comfortable in their own skin and forming bonds with other women/just flat out being a woman. Situations like this where Sena is calling other women ugly while posting pictures of herself saying she's prettier/getting upset that another woman (specifically cisgender) is getting more attention than she is, is a part of why I feel that way. I know it's definitely not the majority nor would I even try to make that generalization but the minority that does act like this tends to be more vocal in my experience and it sucks for the rest of the community that doesn't think that way because I feel those on the outside tend to see the vocal toxic side more than those who just want to exist as they are.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

This might be a controversial thing to say but this is why I feel that some members of the trans community don't necessarily have the right intentions for why they want to be a woman. I feel like some view being a woman as a quick gateway to attention/praise/easy success/being taken care of and not that it's about making themselves feel comfortable in their own skin and forming bonds with other women/being a woman. Situations like this where Sena is calling other women ugly while posting pictures of herself saying she's prettier/getting upset that another woman (specifically cisgender) is getting more attention than she is, is a part of why I feel that way. I know it's definitely not the majority nor would I even try to make that generalization but the minority that does act like this tends to be more vocal in my experience and it sucks for the rest of the community that doesn't think that way because I feel those on the outside tend to see the vocal toxic side more than those who just want to exist as they are.

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That last part is absolutely true. Most I've met are harmless-weird. Weird hobbies, sometimes weird- but harmless- ideas. Weird, but okay people.

It's the rare few that have decided to be A Problem that are the issue. I've had these morons unironically argue that it's OK for them to bully group A, because Group B bullied other trans people once. Not even them personally, unrelated people.

"The purple people hurt an orange person over in Nebrahoma, so I, an orange person in Elbonia, can kick green people."

Patent absurdity.

Sena's demonstrating the same behavior as that second group. Someone else got hurt, so she's entitled to act like this. Detestable.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

This might be a controversial thing to say but this is why I feel that some members of the trans community don't necessarily have the right intentions for why they want to be a woman. I feel like some view being a woman as a quick gateway to attention/praise/easy success/being taken care of and not that it's about making themselves feel comfortable in their own skin and forming bonds with other women/just flat out being a woman. Situations like this where Sena is calling other women ugly while posting pictures of herself saying she's prettier/getting upset that another woman (specifically cisgender) is getting more attention than she is, is a part of why I feel that way. I know it's definitely not the majority nor would I even try to make that generalization but the minority that does act like this tends to be more vocal in my experience and it sucks for the rest of the community that doesn't think that way because I feel those on the outside tend to see the vocal toxic side more than those who just want to exist as they are.

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You don't see most of this crap with trans men. So I agree. That is definitely a controversial take and it can be hurtful, so it's not one I often bring up if at all. And yes, of course it's important to mention that NOT ALL trans women are like that, not at all.

Still, there are quite a few trans women who were men, some of them incels, unhappy with their relationships and the way the world "treated" them (though self inflicted by their own issues they never learned to deal with). Who then decided to try their luck on the other side. Those issues of theirs never go away though, just continue manifesting in their new gender. They are still bitter at women, still can't find fulfilling relationships, still struggle with their own self perception, still constantly lack attention. So they take to Twitter where they oversexualize themselves and start conflicts in order to get that attention they so crave. And still nothing solves their actual issues.

Then look at trans men. Show me one trans man who acts the way all those infamous trans women on twitter do. Show me trans men who are anywhere near as famous/infamous in the first place! They aren't because they are just living their lives, not bothering anyone, and what a surprise - people don't bother them in turn. Respect yourself and others, and you will be respected in turn.

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Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa

You don't see most of this crap with trans men. So I agree. That is definitely a controversial take and it can be hurtful, so it's not one I often bring up if at all. And yes, of course it's important to mention that NOT ALL trans women are like that, not at all.

Still, there are quite a few trans women who were men, some of them incels, unhappy with their relationships and the way the world "treated" them (though self inflicted by their own issues they never learned to deal with). Who then decided to try their luck on the other side. Those issues of theirs never go away though, just continue manifesting in their new gender. They are still bitter at women, still can't find fulfilling relationships, still struggle with their own self perception, still constantly lack attention. So they take to Twitter where they oversexualize themselves and start conflicts in order to get that attention they so crave. And still nothing solves their actual issues.

Then look at trans men. Show me one trans man who acts the way all those infamous trans women on twitter do. Show me trans men who are anywhere near as famous/infamous in the first place! They aren't because they are just living their lives, not bothering anyone, and what a surprise - people don't bother them in turn. Respect yourself and others, and you will be respected in turn.

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I also don't see any Asian transwomen do this, the ones I've met were all really comfortable with who they are. I think this is strictly a western issue.

Disregard what I posted, I'm just observing now

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Disregard what I posted, I'm just observing now

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

I don’t get why people of the camp have to make everything about their identity and humanity

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It takes two to tango

There's a reason all these threads are so successful, and it's not because of a certain minority identity lmfao.

It's so hilarious to me that so many of the people asking "why do people make it everything about identity" are the ones who reply non-stop in these threads. But honestly at this point it also just makes me sad; it's a sad indictment of how far we as a species have fallen.

God damn, I mean you can dislike performance of the person, but thats went too far.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

God damn, I mean you can dislike performance of the person, but thats went too far.

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[Citation needed]

She's still yet to actually show proof, and seeing as she's the type to cry "VICTIM!" over other people's struggles, I'm going to believe that she's making this up too.

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Originally Posted by Isala

[Citation needed]

She's still yet to actually show proof, and seeing as she's the type to cry "VICTIM!" over other people's struggles, I'm going to believe that she's making this up too.

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Yeah but it's something you hear often enough. Daisy Ridley being harassed because of her role as Rey in the godawful sequels comes to mind.

From the images I've seen I don't particularly have sympathy for this individual, I would say she's purposely attracting this attention through being purposely hostile to critics. It's reasonable that she wouldn't want random people voicing their hatred for her performance but engaging with them and being hostile doesn't really make her seem like a victim anymore.
If she was getting harassed and it was just for her performance and she didn't try to attract this attention to think I and others would have far more sympathy for her.

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Originally Posted by Isala

[Citation needed]

She's still yet to actually show proof, and seeing as she's the type to cry "VICTIM!" over other people's struggles, I'm going to believe that she's making this up too.

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i mean, to be perfectly honest
it's not unreasonable to assume that people who dislike her simply for being trans exist. that's not good. there's also no doubt that there are dumbos who sent shitty messages and/or threats.
what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it. i saw NOTHING but praise ( from the usual suspects, with certain flags in bio ) flooding every post she speaks about it. obviously, a very unhinged 0.5% will do their thing, but that's literally just how internet is. you cannot do anything about it at this point. i do doubt the doxx tho.
therefore, i'll reject her victim card.
edit: i'll also add i literally did see cases of people saying "wuk lamat is boring as a character" and they got responded with "ITS BECAUSE YOU HATE THE VA WHO IS *drumroll* TRANS!!!1". i bet those are are counted as "harassment" as well.

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Originally Posted by SableHahma

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

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Where did I say I'm denying her humanity? That's a whole new sentence and incredibly gross of you to say. Also embarrassing especially since you're barking up the wrong tree with me. You can look at my post history and easily see that I believe in rejecting gender norms. I've even been dogpiled on this very forum back in ShB for getting mad at people for misgendering/sexism/creep behavior. I'm a 'woke leftie' through and through. Don't assume everyone here is out to attack transwomen because they don't parrot the 'best' opinion word for word.

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.
Trans people should have rights and not live in fear of hate crimes/misgendering/lack of healthcare, but at the same time they should not insist we're the same because we are biological and socially not. And being different is okay. We're all deserving of our rights and respect regardless of our differences. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

Besides, Sena doesn't even believe we are the same because, according to her, she's more deserving of roles than ciswomen because she's different. That sucks of her to say and it sucks that someone like that is the VA of the leading character of DT.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

It's genuinely just because they hate trans people. If it was just what they say, that they dislike her work as a VA in Dawntrail or think she's a bad person, then they would just say that (and for the record I also dislike her work and don't like her as a person, either). But they like to say wildly transphobic stuff like this and then excuse it away with "whoa how dare you I was just criticizing her job in Dawntrail and I think she's an awful person".

I suggest just reporting them for transphobia and putting them on ignore. People in this thread have already been banned for it.

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You can report me for transphobia and believe I hate transpeople even though I said nothing of the kind. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Just know that you're not doing yourself any favors by reporting people who are literally on your side about not misgendering Sena lol. Get a grip.

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

i mean, to be perfectly honest
it's not unreasonable to assume that people who dislike her simply for being trans exist. that's not good. there's also no doubt that there are dumbos who sent shitty messages and/or threats.
what i do question, is that it is common / the magnitude of it. i saw NOTHING but praise ( from the usual suspects, with certain flags in bio ) flooding every post she speaks about it. obviously, a very unhinged 0.5% will do their thing, but that's literally just how internet is. you cannot do anything about it at this point. i do doubt the doxx tho.
therefore, i'll reject her victim card.
edit: i'll also add i literally did see cases of people saying "wuk lamat is boring as a character" and they got responded with "ITS BECAUSE YOU HATE THE VA WHO IS *drumroll* TRANS!!!1". i bet those are are counted as "harassment" as well.

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I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

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Originally Posted by SableHahma

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

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As a trans person this mindset needs to stop. No Sena is nor every bit as much of a woman as a biological woman. No as trans women we are not every bit the same. That is not denying her humanity that is just being factual.

I became trans for my own comfortably, but at the core i know I Will forever be a biological male and I will never understand what it is like to he a biological woman.

As for Sena if she is feels it okay for her to voice a non trans character then it is fair for a ciswoman to voice a trans character.

Either we are the same or different we cannot pick and choose when it is convenient for us.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

https://i.redd.it/dltr8qaxs7ad1.jpeg

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

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Grummz is an opportunist cashing in on outrage woke culture war BS on any strand he can find, and he would be completely irrelevant if people just ignored him.

And now because people he has energized

(1) People who don't even play the game to spread culture war BS and irrelevant VA drama anywhere they can, and

(2) People who see transphobia, homophobia, bigotry everywhere, and even

(3) FF14 fanboys and the SE defense force who have found a convenient scapegoat and category to lump all legitimate criticisms in,

we are now in this quagmire, and sadly the community is quite literally too stupid to dig itself out of it.

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

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I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

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i'll skip the fact that grummz is a grifter, but...
did you even read the tweet from the screenshot you posted? even he says that wuk lamat is insufferable ( ngl, i liked her in EW and through maybe first 10h of playthrough of DT, but later on also found her awful and annoying) AND ( AND =/= BECAUSE ) is voiced by trans voice actor. which is, objectively, a fact.
i'm curious - why did you conflate the two?

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

There might be a silver lining in all this, and it's that this culture war drama BS will accelerate the rot and maybe speed up FF14's demise. One can dream.

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Wait, what? Why do you want the game to die? Do you not like FFXIV or something?

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Originally Posted by Lizvette

i'll skip the fact that grummz is a grifter, but...
did you even read the tweet from the screenshot you posted? even he says that wuk lamat is insufferable ( ngl, i liked her in EW and through maybe first 10h of playthrough of DT, but later on also found her awful and annoying) AND ( AND =/= BECAUSE ) is voiced by trans voice actor. which is, objectively, a fact.
i'm curious - why did you conflate the two?

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Right, which is why I said:

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

There is no reason to even bring up the VA or say it's "gone woke" as an outsider who doesn't play the game if he was actually talking about how much people just dislike the character regardless of region. It's pretty transparent.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Right, which is why I said:

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conveniently, you skipped your own interpretation, which was wrong.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

I dunno kinda seems this guy is implying people dislike Wuk Lamat because she is voiced by a trans VA.

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