White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

The players who seem to only find enjoyment by denying others something neat are not the sort of players I want this game to cater to moving forward.

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It's not really about denying others items though, it's about the idea of giving away trophies to everyone, thusly invalidating said trophy of it's merit.
Almost everyone seems to agree just having Replica White Ravens is the best solution here. People can have their new glamour and others retain their trophy.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

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I feel the same way about anything I've earned in the game itself. I earn or buy things because I want to be able to enjoy them. If other people happen to be given easier access to the things I acquired then I consider that to be perfectly fine. In fact, I encourage it since it means that both friends and strangers alike are able to enjoy them as well.

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Having been in their shoes many years ago, I understand the sentiment of having a unique special item. Over time after leaving each those old game worlds behind I realised it really didn't matter. I can't take anything with me. So I just took pride in the sense of achievement of overcoming that challenge.

It's like climbing a mountain on foot while someone else takes a helicopter. We both get that same photo op - but I know how I earned mine. And that makes my photo all the more special and the achievement will stay with me for the rest of my life.

No one else will ever that have that opportunity to overcome that White Raven challenge again. The day FFXIV ends its run many years from now and the item and even character is gone, the memory of that achievement will be what remains...

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Oorrrrrrr you'll be like me and totally forget about all the blood, sweat and tears in the previous game and totally jump in to the next game. ԅ(¯﹃¯ԅ)

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I've mentioned this several times and you keep ignoring it, every old content and every old event has had rewards made more accessible, we even have a lot of 1.x items currently available in the game. So tell me, why should these earrings be any different if they aren't even part of the legacy campaign?

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Sorry I didn't mean to dismiss or ignore anything.
Ultimate fights haven't been made any easier. Their ilvl locked, and as far as we know won't be unsyncable. These fights will retain their challenge and the rewards their merit. (at least unless SE decides to let us unsync these afterall)
Other 1.x items weren't part of a savage-like tier fight. They weren't even offered as a reward when signing up to do this. It was awarded to players covertly afterwords as thanks for doing the best of the best. By all accounts, it's a trophy status item. Ifrits Battleaxe is not a trophy item, for example. Sure it was in 1.0, but the fight was not intended to be near impossible like some others are.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Honestly by supporting a bad game for that long you only validated the ffxiv 1.0 mess for much longer then it should have lasted.

It was Yoshi P who saved 14 and if he feels it worthy to include a 1.0 item in this event then you really have no reason to complain and you also have been paying less for your sub the past 5 years which is more thanks then 1.0 players are deserved IMO.

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https://youtu.be/ONT6fxiu9cw?t=18m13s

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Honestly by supporting a bad game for that long you only validated the ffxiv 1.0 mess for much longer then it should have lasted.

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I'm adding the quote from the documentary for better readability:


Michael "Koji Fox" Christopher:

And to see that everyone felt the same way, it wasn't just the development team. It's that you have these hardcore group of very, very loyal fans that, they believed in the game.
We believed in the game. We stuck together.
We were able to build this new thing that's not just for us but it's opening up the doors for a whole new audience.

But remember we were there first. We're the ones that stood by it, we're the ones that did this.
They have the pride in that. Those players. Those "Warriors of Light" that were the before-meteor guys.
Yoshida-san in interviews will always talk about those people that support us and "we couldn't have done it".

I mean it sounds so cliché - "Oh we couldn't have done it without your support" - Literally, we could not have done it.

I mean, if those people hadn't remained, we would just have said let's forget it.
We're not going to do it. We wouldn't have put as much effort in it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's also worth noting that no matter how flawed 1.0 may have been it did lay the groundwork for a lot of the neat stuff we see today. So there is indeed a good chance that the developers themselves may want to give current players a little taste of 1.0 in the form of the earrings. To my knowledge, we don't even know what the developers have planned for the seasonal event. They could have something special in store for us.

I may be wrong, but I believe some of the 1.0 developers still work on FFXIV to this day.

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They did give everyone a taste, far more than that in fact, maybe it slipped by you playing 2.0 because it was everywhere. It's not everyone else's fault if you didn't recognize it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

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You're not?

They actually have a point because these were actually stated as exclusive to 1.0 players that got them. The amount of dishonesty in here isn't doing anyone favours.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I bought both the Shiva and Odin statues purely for the emotes that came with them. I didn't do it for the sake of bragging rights, I did it because I thought they were neat and I happen to have a disposable income.

They set me back roughly £200. I've spent much more than that on cosmetics. The Mog Station could be updated tomorrow to sell the emotes for £5 and it wouldn't bother me. They could be added to the game as part of a quest reward and that wouldn't bother me either.

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Yes, you bought a physical object that came with a bonus. Now why would you get upset over something you were never told was limited and exclusive to that time, was later released? That example doesn't work either.

If they did say it was exclusive to the statues from that production run. To then go and release it again later, they would open themselves to a lawsuit. If Digital Extremes ever made Excalibur Prime available again they would get hit with a lawsuit and lose guaranteed. That was also 5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I feel the same way about anything I've earned in the game itself. I earn or buy things because I want to be able to enjoy them. If other people happen to be given easier access to the things I acquired then I consider that to be perfectly fine. In fact, I encourage it since it means that both friends and strangers alike are able to enjoy them as well.

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Which is almost everything else in the game. But that isn't good enough and fixating on this instead, what is barely a handful of items now.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The players who seem to only find enjoyment by denying others something neat are not the sort of players I want this game to cater to moving forward.

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That's only because you are personally making it out to be that way, over someones memento. Stop trying to undermine everyone that does value them and stuck around when you only want them for a collection of a fictional faction.

You're acting like games get shut down and relaunched all the time. They don't, they die and stay dead to languish as some holding companies failed asset. I guess you would rather have nothing if they almost sink themselves later because now they're untrustworthy too.

Nobody is taking anything away. Nobody is preventing 1.0 players from taking pride in their accomplishments or support for 1.0.

Yet at some point, a line needs to be drawn. 1.0 was five years ago and FFXIV has had not one but two expansions since it launched for a second time. There's going to be another expansion next year.

As someone who actually looks back at 1.0 with a sense of awe and wonder it's actually pretty disheartening to see how some of the 1.0 players are acting within this thread. I offer my immense thanks to those 1.0 players who have been reasonable and are happy to grant those of us who started in ARR and beyond their approval in this endeavor.

I, for one, have been wanting certain items from 1.0 to be added to the game once more. I don't think everything should be unlocked and suddenly made available, though two pairs of earrings is a very minor thing in the grand scheme of things.

So I offer the players who are in favour of the earrings being added my immense gratitude. I'm actually going to make it a point to order a bottle of champagne to coincide with the seasonal event going live. Once I have a pair of the earrings for myself I shall make a toast in honour of those who have used their voice as a means of support.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sorry I didn't mean to dismiss or ignore anything.
Ultimate fights haven't been made any easier. Their ilvl locked, and as far as we know won't be unsyncable. These fights will retain their challenge and the rewards their merit. (at least unless SE decides to let us unsync these afterall)
Other 1.x items weren't part of a savage-like tier fight. They weren't even offered as a reward when signing up to do this. It was awarded to players covertly afterwords as thanks for doing the best of the best. By all accounts, it's a trophy status item. Ifrits Battleaxe is not a trophy item, for example. Sure it was in 1.0, but the fight was not intended to be near impossible like some others are.

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Thing is that Ultimate is a completely new concept, we don't know how SE is gonna deal with it in the future, but we do know how they have dealt with every other challenging fight in the 4 years prior to Stormblood, and it goes in line with how they are dealing with Rivenroad. If Rivenroad is a savage-like fight then what they are doing is no different than what they have done with other savage-like fights, if anything I think the event is gonna take longer to complete than what it takes to do T9 unsynced. If Rivenroad was still accessible you'd probably be able to unsync it faster than any of the current coils just due to its age / item level tuning.

Speaking of the difficulty, only Amiral Benson tried to make a direct comparison to ultimate but kept citing server issues and pings as to why the fight was difficult, but that's not mechanic difficulty like our current ultimate. From what I've seen of the fight in videos it's closer to an XIV extreme primal than a savage fight and the main difficulty came from how terrible the game was at the time. If they were to add that same fight right now with the exact same mechanics but item level tuned to what we have now the fight wouldn't be hard at all.

Day 4.... Still alive. Hot dang

Ultimately, I can understand wanting to keep one's trophies unique for the effort put in prior. However, at the end of the day we have to come to terms that anything can be trivialized at a moment's notice. The game has a long history of making hard to obtain glamours absurdly easy to get in later patches like New World and Thav sets as well as minions that used to be so rare they sold for 12m a piece and now go for 90k.

I'm not saying don't argue about it. That's your right to do so. But expect that as time goes on more accomplishments will become irrelevant, and hopefully new ones will take their place. Eventually all of it will be moot when the servers finally shut down.

You know what they say, don't beat a dead horse, thrash it.

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi4478

Minor feat my foot. It was the hardest fight in that game at that time, consider it that version's Ultimate fight, taking into account the battle arena was multi-story, you had to use a crafted item to survive his first attack, farm the mats to make it first and gods forbid, read the battle log to see what move was coming next, because no telegraphs to show area of effect on attacks, no dodging boundaries lit up like what we have with ARR and beyond. I love how ppl who never experienced 1.0, it's battle system (and as that evolved), the server latency (all the servers were in Japan at the time) and the different play styles due to how the jobs were designed decree that anything back then wasn't hard. Oh and back then, you had more than one skill chain combo to choose from depending on the circumstances. Oh pass the torch? Go stuff yourself with your self importance, we are still playing. Are you telling us now that we shouldn't be? Ok that is just cheeky as all hell. What we have to say on any side of the argument, no matter what it is, doesn't carry any weight, because we're older players? Best learn some manners little boy.

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I have not played 1.0, & to this day I prefer xi to xiv & I dont think that in any way anemos or pagos is remotely anything close to be like 11 & I still play it so its not tough for me to compare. Also when players like bourne say that xi was a mess with jobs back in the days when 2 lvl max range partys were a thing,it makes me sad because this makes me feel like most players that hate on the original system really have no idea on how it would/should have been played back then. I used to host all my groups & i have done legit x2 thfs "(rogues…)" 6 man partys *thfs for tanks, it just required an initial provoker then it was sata ws\sub nin shadows\thf evasion enmity generation to second thf sata onto first thief & there was the tanking (legit no true tanking job) & THAT was awesome. To this day xi have a thousand more reasons to be a better game over xiv BUT ANYWAY back onto topic. I will say this, as I said before I did not play xiv at start with 1.0 & while a glamour earring from it sound nice, I think it should be a replica & even then, I think a replica should not even exist, so in other words, let alone the original earring with the original players. As someone said before several times, if you did not do the fight, why should you\we get it? Sure more lore is nice but again earring does not have to be handed out to add more game story\explanations. By that post Yoruichi4478 did, I am inclined to say that to me, it look like XIV probably was a lot more fun back then before they changed it. I do feel like I would have enjoyed trying it back then ^^ but I have not. I support your sadness "REAL" white raven earring owners.


P.S: You sure told Theodric Yoruichi! :D

So...go play XI? Last I checked, the servers are still up and running. I'm not really sure why some people continue to play FFXIV if they dislike it so much.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Perhaps the players who feel so strongly about it should take their leave of the game and vote with their wallets? Even if it's only a temporary affair, it's worrying that of all the issues that this game had endured recently this is becoming the latest storm in a teacup.

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this is a stupid argument because when people do vote with their wallets they get called out for "not supporting the people who made the things they enjoy."

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

this is a stupid argument because when people do vote with their wallets they get called out for "not supporting the people who made the things they enjoy."

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Can you give me an example of someone using that argument? Consider me intrigued.

I'm a firm believer in people voting with their wallets if they feel that a particular company has done them a disservice not just because it sends the company a message but because it's excellent for the individual's health and well being. There are countless games out there that people could be playing. Both in terms of single player games and multiplayer games. Not everybody is going to enjoy FFXIV and that's perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

this is a stupid argument

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That's all that needs to be said for this entire thread.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Speaking of the difficulty, only Amiral Benson tried to make a direct comparison to ultimate but kept citing server issues and pings as to why the fight was difficult, but that's not mechanic difficulty like our current ultimate. From what I've seen of the fight in videos it's closer to an XIV extreme primal than a savage fight and the main difficulty came from how terrible the game was at the time.

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You're twisting my words ^^'

I said that among all the things (so many) that made that fight difficult, there was also the ping, but no server issues.
As for the mechanics, longer than Ultimate, requiring perfect execution as well, no telegraph, no cast bar, vertical arena, special items needed, party combos, mechanics not as complex as Ultimate yeah, but the thing is that you had to do them without all the help we get from the game today, and that changes everything.

I think lots of people here don't quite realise how challenging it was when you take everything into account, and why it's such a trophy we care about considering how much of our lives we put in it.

Like I mentioned, I cleared it as well as both Ultimate, and the one that took me the most time and investment was Rivenroad (Hard) by far, about 5 month, because of all the requirements when you're going there serious enough.

Allow me to explain, when you decide you want to clear Ultimate, you're not going to try that as a tourist, with bad gear, bad items, bad preparation, etc. it would not work, it would not be serious, you would jeopardise your group, everyone knows that.
But the preparation for Ultimate, the BiS gear up, the food and potions, they don't take a lot of time, they don't take much resources.

Lots of people complain on this forum since 2.0 about the fast obsolescence of gear, about the fact that when you get the best gear, there's no content to use it, etc.

In 1.0 that was the opposite. And therefore, if you wanted to try seriously Rivenroad (Hard), if you wanted to get invited in a group serious enough, you would not go there as a tourist. And that means you needed your Darklight set, your relic, crazy melds where back then, a meld failing and you were loosing everything, including your piece of gear!

Getting a full Darklight set was both long and quite difficult, you had dungeons way more dangerous than the today's ones, 8 man, taking about 40 min to clear, but if you wanted to have the secret chest at the end that could contain a piece of Darklight (~8% chance), you had to clear the Dungeon within 18 min!!! A crazy speed run demanding a perfect execution and strategy, requiring the party to change jobs multiple times inside the dungeon (because that was a thing). A single mistake, and the speed run was over, and you had a 30 minutes lock out on the dungeon.

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Part. 2

Getting a relic was just an insane task, requiring not only a gigantic amount of time, steps and money/resources, but to be skilled, as it was locked behind 2 of the 3 hardest fights of 1.0. Since 2.0, the relics are just a grind, in 1.0 it was locked behind the hardest fights.

What people need to realise here, is that while there's around ~0.04% of FFXIV players that cleared Ultimate (it's not 1%, not even 0.1%), it was something similar with the last stage of relic and Rivenroad (Hard), it's a tiny % of 1.0 players who won them.

Those White Ravens, it's not about an exclusivity, it's about a trophy unlikely to occur more than once.
I won a Cinéma trophy in my career, Tennis tournaments trophies, and they're all equal to me, they took the same investment and passion, and I kept all along the eyes on the prize. And now the prize of one is handed out, not even as a replica.

Something like this, in those conditions of a game on a countdown before shutting down, it's one of a kind.
That's why it grieves those who sacrificed that much to get them, it's sad and underwhelming. People lampooning it is regrettable.

Replicas would have been a smarter choice.

Considering it's not even possible to get the earrings through the original method anymore it really shouldn't matter if they are replicas now or not. A replica in the current incarnation of FFXIV only happens if there is a method in-game to obtain original items (non-replicas), such as working on a relic and having the choice to purchase previous stages or the replica Makai gear available in Gold Saucer. In the end the earrings are a defunct item from a game (or version of a game) that no longer exists. If it was still going then it would be a different story, but it's not. For SE to even bring them back should be seen as an honour rather than a travesty.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I'm pretty sure if this option were feasible to do, then they probably would have been working on it. Doesn't take much of a genius to know that storing personal housing as instanced housing on their current system would probably lead to a lot of difficulties with the instance servers (assuming that's how they roll).

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I am not talking about a fix now (I gave up hope that housing will ever be a good and fair system.), I was talking about them seeing beforehand that private houses in wards could just end in failure and lots of angry people. Just take the amount that sub to the game and see how many wards you can realistically do and they should have noticed that it was never enough..heck if every single FC that exist wanted a house they would have probably not have enough wards. Thus they should have taken more time and completely created a instanced system for private houses. These houses would only exist when you are there, unlike the wards that are alway active. They could have put a story line behind private housing, could have started people will small ones and let them grow their houses. Heck with instanced houses people might have been able to own a house in every single zone.

But they decided to somehow throw FC and Privates in the same wards even when they said that they were different and then let us pay the same price even though they said that this would not cost the same (and with less features too) and then later implement a timer when "suddenly" everything was way too limited. All of those broken words for a decision that people should have seen coming..

The same with the earring: Do a lot people exist that have them? Probably not. But why was it necessary to go against their own words and risk the anger of those people if they could have simply made those replicas and/or put them behind the next ultimate or something..

I just sometimes really dont understand the devs.


@Topic: If people are fine that something that was hard earned in another version of the game is now part of an easy event then I hope that those people would also be fine if SE decides to give Ultimate fights the option to do it unsynch. Because it would not matter right and its interesting that some people are quite protective of their raiding (like not giving non-raiders the option to get equal good gear through other means, or letting Ultimate stay synched) but are fine with this. [Just to be sure, I am only talking about those that say no to one part and yes to the other]

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Originally Posted by Theodric

My concern is that allowing a tiny minority of vocal players to dictate the direction of the game isn't going to end well. The days of 1.0 are long gone. It was a completely different game and one a lot of people never experienced or simply turned their backs on due to how poorly it was received.

The players who remained loyal to 1.0 have their names in the credits and have a discount on their subscription fee. That is more than enough acknowledgement. They don't need to have their every whim catered to, especially when it stifles progress.

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Yes the 1.0 are gone thus why should the items come back? Honestly I have a collector in my friend list and even he once said that he does not count any of the 1.0 items as part of the collection thus has no problem on missing on them. So why is it important that they should exist in 2.0? Also how are they dictating the direction of the game? They are giving their feedback on something they hold dear to them and were a promise do exist too. And the OP also not said that they should not be released but that they should be renamed thus keeping both parties happy. How is that bad? (Feedback is not only valueable if its of your opinion. Lets not take the people down and talk about them as inferior fans just because they feel different about this..)

I for example want the feast mounts to be achieveable again but I would not want them to be put into a simple event..no I would still want to earn them in PVP but maybe with something that is not strictely limited.

They could have simply put those earrings behind Bahamut Ultimate, or for clearing this version Nael Savage. There are many ways they could have done it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Can you give me an example of someone using that argument? Consider me intrigued.

I'm a firm believer in people voting with their wallets if they feel that a particular company has done them a disservice not just because it sends the company a message but because it's excellent for the individual's health and well being. There are countless games out there that people could be playing. Both in terms of single player games and multiplayer games. Not everybody is going to enjoy FFXIV and that's perfectly fine.

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look at battlefield 5 and the Angry Joe nonsense for a not-this-game, but current events example.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

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Username checks out.

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

Part. 2
Those White Ravens, it's not about an exclusivity, it's about a trophy unlikely to occur more than once.
...And now the prize of one is handed out, not even as a replica.

Something like this, in those conditions of a game on a countdown before shutting down, it's one of a kind.
That's why it grieves those who sacrificed that much to get them, it's sad and underwhelming. People lampooning it is regrettable.

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But it may not be just "handed out". If it is, then yeah, I can agree with you, that would be in poor taste. But we don't know until the actual event occurs. IF we got to do the fight, as close as technically feasible, with the same item and character level, and we completed it successfully, would that not be close enough to the same thing?

I mean.. would that be okay? Or is it the combination of "a very hard fight" + "servers shutting down and we won't get to experience this as it was"? (I'm legitimately asking, not trying to stir up drama).

If that wouldn't be acceptable, what item from 1.0 COULD make a return and not face this backlash?

Sooo... if the event item is renamed with "replica" in front will people calm down?

I understand enjoying exclusive items, and trophies from old conquests but some of you 1.0ers get those torches and pitchforks going over the silliest things.

On a side note I don't even care for the earrings and was going to toss them in storage...

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

look at battlefield 5 and the Angry Joe nonsense for a not-this-game, but current events example.

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That's largely irrelevant to FFXIV, though. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone here call people out for not 'supporting the game'. If anything, I see a lot of people encouraging players to not throw money at FFXIV. This is particularly true of the recent companion app, which received a lot of - understandable - backlash and has been hit with negative reviews.

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Originally Posted by Kiriezaiku

Sooo... if the event item is renamed with "replica" in front will people calm down?

I understand enjoying exclusive items, and trophies from old conquests but some of you 1.0ers get those torches and pitchforks going over the silliest things.

On a side note I don't even care for the earrings and was going to toss them in storage...

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Pretty much adding it as a Replica will be acceptable to the majority, it sounds like.
It's not really about 1.0, it's about giving away trophy items as an event handout.

So how does putting "Replica" in the front make people feel better when it'd literally be the exact same thing anyway again..? This is super petty.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

So how does putting "Replica" in the front make people feel better when it'd literally be the exact same thing anyway again..? This is super petty.

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Despite what a lot of people try to make it seem like, it's not a bad thing to be proud of trophies, or accomplishments, or having a unique shiny item that is extremely rare. The original was from a challenging fight in 1.0. Having the new earring listed as a replica will differentiate between those who obtained it i 1.0, and those who did not. People still get their glamour even if it says 'replica'.

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

Like I mentioned, I cleared it as well as both Ultimate, and the one that took me the most time and investment was Rivenroad (Hard) by far, about 5 month, because of all the requirements when you're going there serious enough.

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I’m not trying to devalue your accomplishment, but how could you invest 5 months into a piece of content that was only available for 3 months? Rivenroad (Hard) came out in Patch 1.23b, which was released 2012.08.13, and then the 1.0 servers all went offline on 2012.11.12. Again, not trying to devalue anything, but the times don’t add up, unless I’m missing something.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

So how does putting "Replica" in the front make people feel better when it'd literally be the exact same thing anyway again..? This is super petty.

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Differentiation. Personally, I think they should have added “Replica” to it, and I don’t really know why they didn’t... well, except I think it was just laziness. Guess they didn’t want to have to code another item in. I don’t know.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Do you guys know why people won't answer whether or not they DESERVE this item despite the fact they did not DO the fight???

Because they know that the moment they say "no I do not deserve it" that the whole idea that these items should have been released in this event would have been silly.

They all try to conflate the issue with irrelevant details like "it doesn't matter earrings" or "the devs are free to do w.e they want despite community opinion."

In the end, they all know that they don't deserve it, they don't want to admit it because they don't want anyone to have anything that resembles a status symbol because it makes them feel bad. Makes me sad. :*(**

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You can invert this argument to pretty much be "It only matters to people because they want to hold the status symbol over others heads to prove how dedicated they are."

"Gawsh, Im so good. I was here in 1.0 doing the hardest content in the game. Im a true hardcore ffxiv fan! Git gud pleb!"

All the while not realizing that the symbol means less because of the fact discontinued content means no one can even attempt the feat. It becomes more of a point of who happened to be playing an iteration of the game that was widely lauded as being terrible. In that light, it smacks of elitism.

The earrings becoming an event item is a non issue if the whole point was that those who participated in it did it. They have memories of it. It was their own personal accomplishment. And thats what should matter. The earrings are, for all intensive purposes, bragging rights from a version of the game long since discontinued. It's nothing but internet hotdog measuring at this point.

Maybe they just didn't find it relevant enough. Or, they thought that the earrings would be a good way to celebrate FFXIV going on it's 5th rising Anniversary. They're clearly giving them out because they themselves feel it has meaning. In a way, they're celebrating the earrings.

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

You're twisting my words ^^'

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It's what you wrote, if you meant something else then you should have written something else. So now you're saying that part of the difficulty of the fight was gearing for it, which again is not mechanic difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Maybe they just didn't find it relevant enough. Or, they thought that the earrings would be a good way to celebrate FFXIV going on it's 5th rising Anniversary. They're clearly giving them out because they themselves feel it has meaning. In a way, they're celebrating the earrings.

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I mean, it still wouldn’t have been hard to code them as Level 1 White-Gear Replicas and still celebrate them as an item.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

So how does putting "Replica" in the front make people feel better when it'd literally be the exact same thing anyway again..? This is super petty.

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Because it wouldn't be the exact same item as the one from the fight. It would share the appearance and the name but it'd be a different item exclusive to the event.

Legacies get to keep their achievement item and new players get an event glamour.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Differientiation.

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Well, there's a far better way to fix any and all differentiation issues from now until forever.

Put timestamps on achievements. The only caveat is that you need to create achievements for any potential feat, which SE is more or less doing anyway these days.

You can then differentiate people down to the minute at which they attained the achievement. If the point is differentiation, that is better than any potential item renaming can ever be and more efficient to boot, because it's automated. But it's hard to flaunt, you typically don't see people's achievements unless you look. And that, I think, would be the breaking point of that suggestion. I don't think it's about differentiation as such, I think it's more about the ability to throw that differentiation into people's faces.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

All the while not realizing that the symbol means less because of the fact discontinued content means no one can even attempt the feat. It becomes more of a point of who happened to be playing an iteration of the game that was widely lauded as being terrible. In that light, it smacks of elitism.

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This is good. It's like if SE suddenly decide to manufacture more Odin statues (with the emote) but then complaining that suddenly more people have the chance to get access to it as well. Mentality is essentially if no one has the chance to get it the original way, then no one should have it at all!

Being proud of an accomplishment is one thing, but denying other people the same opportunity is just wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, there's a far better way to fix any and all differentiation issues from now until forever.

Put timestamps on achievements. The only caveat is that you need to create achievements for any potential feat, which SE is more or less doing anyway these days.

You can then differentiate people down to the minute at which they attained the achievement. If the point is differentiation, that is better than any potential item renaming can ever be and more efficient to boot, because it's automated. But it's hard to flaunt, you typically don't see people's achievements unless you look. And that, I think, would be the breaking point of that suggestion. I don't think it's about differentiation as such, I think it's more about the ability to throw that differentiation into people's faces.

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All achievements have timestamps, but they are only visible in the lodestone.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, there's a far better way to fix any and all differentiation issues from now until forever.

Put timestamps on achievements.

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I mean, the Lodestone already puts dates on your achievements. They just aren’t documented to the minute.

I was going to keep out if this, but I’m going to add my 2 cents. This isn’t directed at anyone though I do expect a few select people to just start attacking anyway since I’m not agreeing with them.

As I stated earlier, I do have the earrings, and I use them constantly, they are always in my armory so I can instantly glamour new earrings to them. They are a part of my character. Enough of that, that’s not my point at all.

I have thought about this a lot lately, and I was the person who originally posted the data mined information a few months ago, but the post was quickly deleted. I can sum up my feelings in one word.

Disappointment.

I’m not really mad at newer people who would like to have those earrings. I don’t hate the developers or the game. I truly am simply disappointed in our community and in the developers of this game. To people who say to just leave, or shut up or step aside, I can only respond with “no”. I’m here and disappointed because I actually care about the game and I want to see it grow and I feel things like this potentially undercut that.

When 1.0 launches, anyone in the beta or following the beta knew that this game wasn’t ready for launch. We told them that it wasn’t ready but they launched it anyway, and to our horror it was as bad or worse than we feared. What did we do? Did we exclaim “What a piece of {redacted} game this is, I’m leaving and not coming back” like the majority? No. We stayed. I did not leave then, and I’m not leaving now.

What ever happened to “Do what you say and say what you do”?

They told us certain things could only be obtained in certain ways at certain times. Yes, things do change. When you have told someone that you will do something for them in exchange for them doing something for you, you should honor that. To break that too often, without any discussion or apparent reason undermines that trust.

My disappointment isn’t just over the earrings. It’s all the things that they told us “hurry up and do this before it’s gone”, only to backtrack on them over and over again. You’ve seen the list, at this point they have backed off just about all of it. I expect this behavior from places like EA and Activision. I truly expected better from SE and I absolutely expected better from Yoshida and his team.

Why was this necessary? Why not do something similar instead?

Everyone that talks about the TOS, you are correct, they are free to do as they wish with the game. Just as we are free to speak with our money. Yes, I am still subbed, but I do not spend anywhere near as much money as I used to. I used to have 3 accounts, I only have 1 right now.

I will end with this.

Legacy isn’t all about the reduced sub, or the “tattoo”, it’s not a tattoo per se, or the chocobo, or the goobbue, or the earring or the horn, or any of those items. It’s about putting your faith in a company and a team and having that faith rewarded. That is what legacy is really all about. Every time they undo part of the tangible items, such as the earrings or other things, they are undoing that faith. They are saying “You were wrong to put faith in us, we aren’t any better.”

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.