#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

If healer isnt supposed to dps then give us something to heal.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

I wonder if some of those going on "strike" will see enough of this and come to realize a key part of why healers might be designed the way they are right now, and why this attempt for "more dps complexity" won't end up going anywhere.

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so, your position seems firmly in the "its okay if they reach level cap without knowing the basics of the job" camp.

I am genuinely curious as to why? if after 90 levels, they dont know or want to know how to heal a group... why are the devs coddling them? not being able to do a job at cap, and expecting to be carried and do nothing, is impacting others enjoyment of the game, and could be seen as against the TOS. and you are okay with the devs CODING for that to get worse?

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Originally Posted by Pandurah

Sounds like it might be a you thing? idk!

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Thanks for this reply because this is a perfect example of what I was talking about lol.

Automatically, you took a condescending "it's just you" tone with me, treating me as an outsider, even though I regularly play all four healers and this is an opinion I've seen voiced throughout FFXIV social media. This is one of the reasons why so many people are brushing several of you guys off as "assholes being assholes". Instead of elaborating on why you disagree or explaining your reasoning step by step with the abilities you have issue with, you jumped straight to a attitude which reads as "your opinion doesn't matter, so shut up".

It alienates you from those you're trying to convince of your plight almost immediately.

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Originally Posted by Morgana96

Thanks for this reply because this is a perfect example of what I was talking about lol.

Automatically, you took a condescending "it's just you" tone with me, treating me as an outsider, even though I regularly play all four healers and this is an opinion I've seen voiced throughout FFXIV social media. This is one of the reasons why so many people are brushing several of you guys off as "assholes being assholes". Instead of elaborating on why you disagree or explaining your reasoning step by step with the abilities you have issue with, you jumped straight to a attitude which reads as "your opinion doesn't matter, so shut up".

It alienates you from those you're trying to convince of your plight almost immediately.

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To be fair, the person they were replying to was being unnecessarily snarky

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The "other side" speaking against the strike has been almost strictly insisting healers are fine as they are and that change only stands to potentially alienate less skilled players. There really isn't a concession to be made with them.

The bottom line is that people just want more to do as healers, whether it's pushing additional DPS buttons or hitting GCD heals more often. It's not a difficult point to make and the devs seem to be at least loosely aware of it given every healer got a new damaging ability in DT.

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No offense, but that's just giving up without really trying in the first place. There will always be people who brush off a counterargument no matter what. But there are plenty of neutral people as well. Saying there's no room for compromise only stagnates the discussion.

If you want to convince people on the fence of the validity of your cause, you need to provide thorough and persuasive arguments as to why you feel the way you do. Not a vague manifesto calling everyone else's kits an insult to healers, or a campaign of calling others "fake healers" and belittling them for their differing concerns/opinions on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

To be fair, the person they were replying to was being unnecessarily snarky

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You mean me? I'm not trying to being snarky at all, honestly. Genuinely not sure where you're getting that from.

All I'm saying is that it often takes strong persuasive arguments to convince people to get behind causes like this, and that petty insults and condescending tones will usually get you the opposite results of what you want. You can claim I'm being "unnecessarily snarky" if you want, but all I really did was list out why that manifesto is incomplete and how certain participants' tones/behavior actually hinder their efforts in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Morgana96

Not a vague manifesto calling everyone else's kits an insult to healers, or a campaign of calling others "fake healers" and belittling them for their differing concerns/opinions on the subject.

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Self-sustain and healing abilities given to other roles.
The choice/direction to give such abilities to roles outside of healer encroaches on the role.
Over simplified DPS rotation
Every job in FFXIV has a 'filler GCD' skill that they press when there are no other requirements. No role in the game pushes this skill more than healer. Not by a long shot. Our offensive capability should still feel dynamic and rewarding. Yes, we are healers, but we are also casters.
Homogenization of healer jobs
Barrier/Pure healer split is largely redundant. All healers essentially play the same with the exception of few and far between niche abilities.
Excessive oGCD heals.
These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful. This in addition to self-sustain on other roles reduces the dynamic of healing comrades.
Lack of engaging content outside the most difficult duties (Savage/Ultimate). i.e. the threat level is too low.
Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content. It is understandable that difficulty can't be so great as to bar progression of story-based content. However, innovative means should still be employed to make greater/full use of abilities.

This doesn't seem vague to me though. Like the demands seem pretty specific. Help us out here, how would you make these more specific?

I LOVE being a scab healer

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Imagine still thinking the strike is about just adding more DPS. Those bad players have existed since ARR, so I'm indifferent to their plight. If they still don't have a handle on the job by level 90+, they're beyond hope so why should I care?

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Well, the strike group itself doesn't seem to have any clue what they want as a group, which is important if they want it do anything. Imagine thinking you could throw a hissy fit, give 50 different things you want changed that all contradict each other, and then expecting developers to take you seriously...

As to "why you should care," the game by its nature needs to be designed so that groups of all levels of competence can be successful. Those very people you consider "beneath you" actually matter just as much as you do, if not more (if they're more numerous in size).

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It better not be that the reasoning because it would show that the devs have not even the most basic idea of how to design a healer in their own game. Even Wow which is much more intensive in healing has both a better healing kit and a damage kit because they know that both are important.

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How is this even a response to what you quoted? I was pointing out how many people participating in this "strike" are veterans of the game who, as healer mains, don't actually "see" what many other healers are like. Yet, the game needs to be designed so that even newer players of mediocre skill can be successful in casual content, which is a significant part of why healing has been changed in the game over the years. WoW is also made by a Western company. The JP culture does not tend to view both healing and damage as equally important for healers - they see the purpose of healers as to heal (shocking concept, no?) with DPS being secondary. The line of thought that only what one's own culture tends to value is important would be a showing of incompetency and a source of frustration when partaking in media from other cultures.

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I am genuinely curious as to why? if after 90 levels, they dont know or want to know how to heal a group... why are the devs coddling them? not being able to do a job at cap, and expecting to be carried and do nothing, is impacting others enjoyment of the game, and could be seen as against the TOS. and you are okay with the devs CODING for that to get worse?

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Because they're paying customers, and they probably far outnumber the people who might stop subscribing under the current approach (even the "go on strike" group are remaining actively subscribed). Then I read your next part and wonder why I bothered. Did you really just try to claim a person of average skill trying to play but not being "good enough" is griefing and violating the ToS? That is such a laughably elitist take and reflects tellingly on the "strike" movement as a whole. (For that matter, if one expert Tank gets in a party with three average players and consistently wipes the group by pulling more than they can handle, should that player be seen as violating the ToS?)

(Strike update for all - as of this afternoon, every single roulette had Tank as the Role In Need, and Tank queues were popping instantly while Healers had a minimal wait - usually it goes the other way.)

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Originally Posted by Sacae

Xeno has been pretty level-headed about this, and he generally has good viewpoints concerning accessability and whatnot that are directly related to this topic. I'm watching the interview right now.

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I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

The real "gotcha" is going to be seeing how many of these newfound healers stick with the role, because only a minority of them were playing it in any notable capacity before now (fewer still would even say they mained it), meanwhile the ex-healers (all of whom seem to have mained it) are finally free to move onto something they might actually enjoy. In a way, the strike already partially succeeded because it forced others to take up healer in a way that might be eye-opening to them, and for the ones who never had any complaints to begin with, well nothing changed for them at all now didn't it?

Even if SE sticks to their guns forever forward, the *demographic* of who is playing healer has undeniably shifted even if the mechanics of the job has stagnated, and now we wait to see if these new healers get any good at it, or even stay with it before they give up too, especially when so many of them are used to more dynamic and engaging mechanics from when they were tanks/DPS.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

The real "gotcha" is going to be seeing how many of these newfound healers stick with the role, because only a minority of them were playing it in any notable capacity before now (fewer still would even say they mained it), meanwhile the ex-healers (all of whom seem to have mained it) are finally free to move onto something they might actually enjoy. In a way, the strike already partially succeeded because it forced others to take up healer in a way that might be eye-opening to them, and for the ones who never had any complaints to begin with, well nothing changed for them at all now didn't it?

Even if SE sticks to their guns forever forward, the *demographic* of who is playing healer has undeniably shifted even if the mechanics of the job has stagnated, and now we wait to see if these new healers get any good at it, or even stay with it before they give up too, especially when so many of them are used to more dynamic and engaging mechanics from when they were tanks/DPS.

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At the end of the day, basic dungeon queues weren't too much of a concern (because of trusts mainly). I'll be real curious to see how party finder groups feel once people start doing EX and Savage

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

At the end of the day, basic dungeon queues weren't too much of a concern (because of trusts mainly). I'll be real curious to see how party finder groups feel once people start doing EX and Savage

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I could also see it affecting some statics/FCs as well, if their only healers go on strike and none of the others want to step up to fill the role. Going to get a whole lot of drama out of that, which probably makes it fortunate that we just got an update to mute/blacklists, sad as that sounds.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet".

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The metrics for the sheet were a joke. If you cleared UCoB in 4.1 you were deemed a worse player than if you did it 6.5.
It wouldn't surprise me if he manipulated the data to make people who post here look worse, and that was literally stalker-levels of data. He dug names, homeworlds, logs... Creepy as hell.
Thank God every place deleted posts with that sheet. What the hell was that...

How's this healer strike going? Instant queues every time on DPS today. Have not had to queue for a single second.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

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This argument feels like desperation...the people undermining our strike are actually supporting it! Nope, they're undermining it. The entire stated purpose of the strike is to pressure SE into making changes to the healer role. If other people simply swoop in and take the spots of those who go on "strike," then SE has no reason to change anything. Plain and simple. At the end of the day, success or failure of the "strike" is determined by whether it leads to SE making any meaningful changes to healers and healing. Those who haven't been healers previously that slide into that role now are directly detrimental to the strike.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

How's this healer strike going? Instant queues every time on DPS today. Have not had to queue for a single second.

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Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m

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I had instant DPS queues above level 90 too. It seems all the DPS players are stuck leveling either VPR or PCT with hour long leveling queues in under level 90 content, while healers and tanks progressed the MSQ overwhelmingly saturating level 90+ dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m

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While I can't speak for Dawntrail dungeons, a handful of friends and I leveled Picto and Viper. MSQ roulette took 54 minutes at like 1-2pm est. Everything else was over 30 unless one of us went tank, used Trusts or were willing to pay for merc services. So...

I am swapping one of my casters over to Machinist (because BLM disgust) and my roulette queues are painful BUT I am on Marilith (Dynamis). I am just going to level her with Duty Support, Fates, Beast tribes I think.

Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I am swapping one of my casters over to Machinist (because BLM disgust) and my roulette queues are painful BUT I am on Marilith (Dynamis). I am just going to level her with Duty Support, Fates, Beast tribes I think.

Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.

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Aye, same, my queues have been bad but I'm also on Dynamis. The combination of being a DPS-only main in player content, two new DPS jobs, and the healer strike isn't helping matters but I'm not blaming the strikers for this, but rather SE for the smooth brain decision to trap me on Dynamis.

I've already had to accept that I'll have to wait weeks before I can even get started on the new PVP series because pretty much nobody plays the mode over here, and the first chance I get I'm probably going to pay transfer somewhere else. Ironically I got a house on a lark before the maintenance happened, but I find it a pretty useless vanity item now compared to everything else I'm denied access to because I had the audacity to pick the "wrong" data center.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This argument feels like desperation...the people undermining our strike are actually supporting it! Nope, they're undermining it. The entire stated purpose of the strike is to pressure SE into making changes to the healer role. If other people simply swoop in and take the spots of those who go on "strike," then SE has no reason to change anything. Plain and simple. At the end of the day, success or failure of the "strike" is determined by whether it leads to SE making any meaningful changes to healers and healing. Those who haven't been healers previously that slide into that role now are directly detrimental to the strike.

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You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.

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Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.

PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You're grossly missing the point of the strike. The point of the strike is very simple: We don't want to play the healers as they currently are anymore.

Whether the strike impacts metrics and the dev team decides to make changes or other people play the job we dislike for us and we get a smooth switch over to tank/DPS with quicker queues from these new healers, we win either way.

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This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?

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There is no losing here. You may not be supporting the strike by queueing as a healer, but you are making it more comfy for an ex-healer to main a different role by taking their place as the cog in the wheel.

So I hope you continue having fun as a healer so I can continue to have fast DPS queues, thank you for your service.

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I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)

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Again, it just comes off like anti-strikers threatening ex-healers with a good time and they don't seem to be grasping that, but instead keep trying to twist it into some kind of "own" on the ex-healers, lol.

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I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.

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Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

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Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.

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Hard for me to tell if the queues are because of the strike or because its Dynamis and we are trapped. Still supporting you guys though.

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The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?

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I don't see it written anywhere that what's written is the only goal?

It would be nice if the dev team took notice and changed healers back to something I enjoyed more in older expansions, but if they don't care to, it doesn't matter to a lot of us as long as people who want to spite us are more than willing to take our places, because I and many others have long since given up on the role, we just need someone else to take our place.

You may think you're harming us, but you're actually making it easier for us to quit the role. I don't know about anyone else, but I only play healer after they ruined it for me because no one else wants to, so if you and those like-minded are suddenly happy to main healers? Great! Go for it, you have my support. I no longer have to play that dumpster fire of a role.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This is directly from your "manifesto": "Players supporting the strike wish to hold the development team and Square Enix accountable on their promise to provide a fulfilling and enjoyable experience for everyone."

It's mind-boggling that people would participate in the strike without even knowing what it's about. The entire goal is to encourage the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Unless, of course, that's all a sham and the real reason is to just make yourselves the center of attention when you could just as easily simply choose not to play a healer role?



I don't see it as a "cog in the wheel" or a "service". Straight up - I enjoy healing in this game. (For the record, I've always considered myself a DPS/RDM main, but most of the time I'm queuing for roulettes it's always been as a healer.)



I suppose to some extent this might be true for some of us. The whole "strike" thing comes off as a diva complex to me, with people wanting to be the center of attention, blatantly insulting the developers for daring to make their game the way they choose, ganging up on anyone here who opposes them...it is kinda nice karma seeing the whole thing fall flat.



Glad to hear you're having a lot of fun with PCT! I think this comment I'm quoting sums up a fair part of the issue - look at how dismissive and condescending the rest of it is, trying to objectively declare a different role "boring as hell" that people can play "for whatever reason". It would go a long way for those supporting the strike to simply acknowledge their take is their own personal opinion, rather than having to attack or insult anyone who dares to have fun playing a healer.



The queues have nothing to do with the "strike." We have an expansion that just started with 2 new DPS roles that a ton of people are playing. The last time SE released 2 DPS roles, there wasn't a strike, and there's posts someone dug up the other day showing that several months into that expansion, queues were still excessive for DPS.

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Striker I am for the 1029591069286026020692471 time begging you to not take every single sentence as an attack on everyone else

“Boring as hell healer role” “if you still want want to play healer for whatever reason”

That’s my opinion, I didn’t write that as an “attack” on people who still like healers, you’ve desperately got to calm down on this front

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

PCT is fantastically well designed class (so well designed I’m surprised it’s in modern 14)

Why would I set there a waste my time spamming 1111111 and letting someone else play PCT when i just let the contrarians do the boring as hell healer and let me play PCT

So yeah if you still wanna play healer for whatever reason I hope you enjoy it, and m having a blast on PCT

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I am honestly so positively surprised by picto. It's rotation is really fun and unique. I spend a lot of time just trying things out, finding what I think is a very good/optimal rotation etc. Analysing it was so fun and refreshing.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

some self-thought nonsense

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You can twist and bend all the words Gemina has written or written by other ppl who have already answered to you.

At the end of the day, strikers are just switching job like anybody would do when an expansion is released.

If you're not happy, we don't care. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

I am honestly so positively surprised by picto. It's rotation is really fun and unique. I spend a lot of time just trying things out, finding what I think is a very good/optimal rotation etc. Analysing it was so fun and refreshing.

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The best part about Picto is that, other than the burst window and keeping some stuff on cd, there's no rotation. You can mix and match to suit what's needed.
It's actually a lot like a light version of EW BLM- like, a bit more flexible and easier because you have no dot to manage and no Polyglot clock/AF timer, but it actually is quite enjoyable to play as.
So yea, try that instead of playing healer :D

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

The best part about Picto is that, other than the burst window and keeping some stuff on cd, there's no rotation. You can mix and match to suit what's needed.
It's actually a lot like a light version of EW BLM- like, a bit more flexible and easier because you have no dot to manage and no Polyglot clock/AF timer, but it actually is quite enjoyable to play as.
So yea, try that instead of playing healer :D

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The decision to allow you to paint whenever you want but only have the CD’s attached to actually casting the muses was a fantastic decision

So like any downtime in the two minutes between 2 starry muse casts you can render the painting, there is no restriction

It’s easily the best designed part of PCT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...95de344c2af22&

This thread is absolutely wild to me. A bunch of people complaining that WAR is strong in dungeons. Try running savage/ulti on healer and tell me its easy.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

This thread is absolutely wild to me. A bunch of people complaining that WAR is strong in dungeons. Try running savage/ulti on healer and tell me its easy.

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500+ pages and people still can’t read

That’s what real wild here

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

This thread is absolutely wild to me. A bunch of people complaining that WAR is strong in dungeons. Try running savage/ulti on healer and tell me its easy.

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Meanwhile in Ultimates...
https://i.imgur.com/f22pDlL.png
Wow look you're still a glare bot who never needs to use GCD heals! *Other then DPS neutral Afflatus ones

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

This thread is absolutely wild to me. A bunch of people complaining that WAR is strong in dungeons. Try running savage/ulti on healer and tell me its easy.

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I've done Savage week 1 on healer in Anabaseios. It's easy unless your party is awful.
But if your party is awful, it's body-check o'clock and everyone explodes.
Riveting. That's not what people are complaining about anyway.
I love encounter design where I can barely recover anything other than some Heal LB3 because if two people die, then everyone dies :)
And when that's not happening, I press 1 really hard.
But yea, no one in the thread has done Savage/Ultimate. And who cares about dungeons/alliance raids anyway, right? It's only like, 3/4 of the game.

Here, have my own logs from w1 10S, without tank lbing HH. Looks wonderful. I really pressed 1 hard.
https://i.imgur.com/80ZXNWG.png
(Reading these kind of responses is really making me bitter. If you're wondering why no 12S w1 logs, well, I got bored after 11 and swapped to BLM. Best call I made)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

500+ pages and people still can’t read

That’s what real wild here

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The most depressing part is that when you click into the thread, the "What led to the strike" part of the OP is right there on the screen, this is the case on both mobile and desktop.

The only people who can miss it are the people who see the title of the thread and immediately jump to the last page to give their inaccurate opinion on their imagined reasons for the strike.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

The most depressing part is that when you click into the thread, the "What led to the strike" part of the OP is right there on the screen, this is the case on both mobile and desktop.

The only people who can miss it are the people who see the title of the thread and immediately jump to the last page to give their inaccurate opinion on their imagined reasons for the strike.

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But according to some people us correcting these incorrect assumptions is “jumping down the throats of people who still like healers”

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

(Reading these kind of responses is really making me bitter)

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It's the kind of response that makes me realize that some people really didn't deserve our heals.

I think they've already formed their opinion from some other source and wanted to jump into the thread to "give their take" despite how uninformed their take actually is. Reading the OP really should be enough to be informed, but then you get more "lolol it's because of that dungeon run is it?" or "just play other jobs" when the OP already goes over that.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

This thread is absolutely wild to me. A bunch of people complaining that WAR is strong in dungeons. Try running savage/ulti on healer and tell me its easy.

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You could have just written, "I am illiterate," and saved yourself some typing.

(Also WAR soloed P1N on release, but I guess it's perfectly fine for one job to be able to solo current 8-man content in a trinity-focused MMO, amirite?)