Did you really have to quote all that just for that? <_<a
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Copy/paste from my translation thread.
Just wait for the official one if you want the correct/accurate translation.
From thread post - http://goo.gl/wKq7y
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Since it seems like there is going to be official translation... basically.... blame alpha version of the game being so damn good and people not wanting to leave to open more slots for others to come in... lol
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More replies from YoshiP to players on that same JP thread.
OK that's it for today's YoshiP posts~
Looks like Bay and them working on the official translations on these quickly too :)
I'm usually more of a lurker on here, but just wanted to say thanks Reinheart for the quick translation. Hopefully that helps people cope with not being selected. :)
Great info, marking 12/3 on my calendar. Thanks a lot!
OMG! SO much info!!! Good job Yoshi!
I really admire the patience of Yoshi... I really hope ARR is successful and all this hard work pays off for him and the dev team.
Sometimes I understand why Tanaka refused to have communication with the player base.
Yoshida-san,
You are a CHAMP for responding to so many petulant players who are sour that they did not get an invite, YET. And if those same individuals never get an invite of any kind in this testing phase?...may the Twelve have mercy on your soul.
The level of involvement you and your team have had with the FFXIV community has been incredibly gracious, and I hope that players can take at least a few words from their ceaseless ranting about what they didn't get, what they think you all are doing poorly, and appreciate what you're attempting to do better with 2.0.
Cheers to re-launch and the crafting a legendary Final Fantasy experience in A Realm Reborn!
(My only selfish request is that I get my Gun-Arm back and my Final Limit "Catastrophe" unlocked...That is all, sir.
AVALANCHE!
Thanks for the info Camate. Hopefully with the further rounds of invites SE will keep to the rules they set themselves, and let in people that had an active account before those that just signed out for the alpha after quitting the game on the first month.
If you don't want to follow a criteria, don't publicly set it. And if you find yourself in the position to have to change your mind, communicate it promptly. Transparency and communication are always the key.
Looking at the opposite side of the issue, I have friends that tried to sign up to the alpha as soon as the form was up and were denied. Of course they didn't retry later, because they had no idea that they had been allowed to in the meanwhile.
That said, I'll always be amazed to see those that are so eager and ready to antagonize those that have issues with how this has been handled, second guessing their motives and personally attacking them.
Actually, scratch that. I'm not really amazed, nor I am surprised, as it always happens when alphas/betas are concerned.
People are always ready to unduly paint others as "whiners" and such when their position is secure.
It's funny, because it's almost guaranteed that if they didn't receive an invite, they'd be raging just as much (or more) themselves.
12/3 ? Too much far.
I want it all, i want it all, i want it all, and i want it now~
Yeah, I suspect they're just as tired of all the crying over alpha invites as we are. You know, it's always been my dream to work for Squeenix and make games for them, yet I almost dread what will come if my dream were ever to come true. I have terrible babysitting skills. I haven't the patience for whining kids, lol.
If you want to make games, you may want to know what the role of those that make games entails. It normally doesn't include any babysitting. That's the job of community managers, and occasionally of the Game Director/Producer, if he so wishes.
Participation by developers to forum discussions and similar is normally not part of their job description. If they do it, it is because they want to.
And yet again another that second guesses other people's motives, and insults them because they dare to be disappointed.
The internet is truly a wonderful place.
Well becoming director takes a long way up, and I hope you don't want to get on the PR team, because as awesome as they are, I guess it's one of the hardest jobs, to deal with all the forums. Not just the whiny people now with the alpha, but the grass, the animations, or whatever... We all know FFXIV got to a bad start, so we should show support and respect for the devs, instead of whining so much, as a community.
It's OK to pinpoint what we don't like in the game, and I see lots of constructive criticism threads, but there are way too many of the others.
Still good luck in joining Square! I hope I can join too and meet you at the devs cafeteria =P
lol I'm aware of what jobs are out there as far as making games. And to tell you the truth, I've always wanted to be a writer/level designer for games. My statement was simply that it would get a bit annoying to have to do PR and deal with a bunch of crybabies that are simply angry that they didn't get what they wanted and are throwing tantrums on forums because of it. I'm sure Yoshi could be doing something better besides soothing a bunch of crybabies, like maybe working on the game. But, you do what you have to do for PR, I guess.
And really, you need to lighten up. You took my post a bit too much to heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much... hmm...
Race you guys... :P
But I dont see whats the problem with being PR. You learn the problem you see if you can fix it or if it deserves squelching - and then you follow through. Certainty not a job that brings much praise but I dont think people without patience dare apply lol (of course the above is an over simplification of the processes/job... :P)
Not saying butterflies and rainbows but its just another type of work.
Wow, that's great news! Yoshi-P has shown far more respect for the players than players have for each other. lol
He never ceases to amaze.
Yoshi's a smart man. I'm quite sure that if he could do something better, he'd be doing it. He does what he does exactly because he knows that a certain degree of discontent is not unjustified.
if people didn't "protest", we wouldn't have ARR.Quote:
And really, you need to lighten up. You took my post a bit too much to heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much... hmm...
I do pinpoint serious PR troubles, because at the moment the game isn't under too much of a spotlight. If something like this big lapse in communication happened nearer to release, when the eye of the media will be aimed at SE for every little mistake, this would be all over the net already, with the potential of doing serious damage.
People like Brian Ashcraft from Kotaku and many others would jump on the chance to throw some more mud at the Final Fantasy franchise like a bear throws himself at a pot of honey.
It's not like a lot of the gaming media doesn't already look at SE with a certain amount of negative bias. Can they really afford to take chances and give them ammo on a silver platter?
Nice I look forward to testing alpha out soon hopefully ^^
I'm aware of that. Doesn't mean he doesn't get tired with all the whining every now and then from entitled malcontents, but he does have a lot of patience. Have to admite that.
I was actually referring to the way you immediately went on the attack after my first post, almost as if you thought I was directly talking about you. Which if you weren't one of the people whining about not getting an alpha invite, it really shouldn't have concerned you so much...
lol I think you're blowing things a bit out of proportion. This is about alpha and people not being happy that they were not selected to get in. That's what it will always boil down to. I know, because I have not read one post from a person who has gotten into alpha that has "concerns with lack of communication". Abd regardless of what communication there is or isn't, there's always going to be someone who's going to complain and whine, like those who believe that being long-time players of FF14 should get them access to alpha alone.
The media is going to try to trash FFXIV at every given turn anyway. How alpha is done really doesn't matter. In the end, what matters is if the product is good. And trust me, Yoshi is already working on that end.
I have to commend Yoshida for being so transparent when it comes to alpha/beta testing this game. The fact that he explains even to non-testers how the process works, not to mention that we've been getting weekly alpha-videos is pretty amazing to me. I've gotten the impression from other games that alpha and even beta is very hush hush.
Also, it's quite clear that he understands how much we're all dying to try it out, and that he's doing his best to get as many of us in the alpha/beta as possible. It makes me feel very good about the whole deal, even if I might never get an invite.
When you do his kind of job, you take the good with the bad. He has to face criticism, but also a lot of praise. It's not all that bad.
If you weren't intent on calling people "crybabies", "whiny" and all that, without knowing them or their motives, I wouldn't have chided you. Maybe you didn't notice that your choice of words was confrontational to begin with.Quote:
I was actually referring to the way you immediately went on the attack after my first post, almost as if you thought I was directly talking about you. Which if you weren't one of the people whining about not getting an alpha invite, it really shouldn't have concerned you so much...
And being confrontational against people that are already discontent does nothing else than making the situation worse. It does SE or Yoshi no favors when they try to douse the flames and those that think they are on their side throw more fuel on them instead.
The problem isn't just that people didn't get access to the Alpha. I couldn't care the less about that.Quote:
lol I think you're blowing things a bit out of proportion. This is about alpha and people not being happy that they were not selected to get in. That's what it will always boil down to. I know, because I have not read one post from a person who has gotten into alpha that has "concerns with lack of communication". Abd regardless of what communication there is or isn't, there's always going to be someone who's going to complain and whine, like those who believe that being long-time players of FF14 should get them access to alpha alone.
It's that people that had active accounts got passed in favor of people that didn't, while the form clearly stated in all available languages that only those with an active account were eligible.
This is a serious lapse in communication and a potential big PR blunder. People that are discontent about it have a degree of justification in that. It's also the kind of thing the press LOVES to cover, if given the chance. An off-hand accusation of false publicity is great to drive the controversy and the hits on the many websites that don't have journalistic integrity as their most prominent value. And there are many of those and, unfortunately, they're popular.
The fact that they already do it isn't really a good reason to provide them with more ammo, isn't it?Quote:
The media is going to try to trash FFXIV at every given turn anyway. How alpha is done really doesn't matter. In the end, what matters is if the product is good. And trust me, Yoshi is already working on that end.
I have looked around the forums and couldn't find anything on this,so here is my question.
Will the alpha testers be able to post videos on gameplay/content of ARR?
Of course i most likely wont get accepted to the alpha , because there are more experienced people in this game than me.However if i do i would like to advertise and show people how good its got since it last released.
Feedback please,
~Klyde
When you signed up for the alpha invite / joined through the invite (if you did) you are agreeing to an NDA (non-disclosure agreement). You may not release - anything - that you derive from the alpha unless SE excuses you from the NDA (which they probably wont).
So best bet is not to unless you want to risk SE banning your account :(.
Edit: What Abrieal said :P
New invites on 12/3 (I think)? That's right on my birthday xD
/hope
wow thank you soooo much for this great information u the best :)
Again, I already know this. But even Yoshi is human. I'm sure the whining can at least get to be annoying. But as I said, he does have a lot of patience. And as you said, it's really not always bad.
The fact that I made my statement against people who's motives are more than clear when they're whining tells me that you obviously are the one who doesn't understand motives. And you're quick to jump the gun, which can land you with egg on you face really fast. People whining about not getting an alpha invite and how they should have one because they have been long-time subscribers of FF14 have motives that are not only transparent, but they literally STATED THEIR MOTIVES right there!! lol So really, I have no idea what you are even trying to get across.
It's THOSE types of people that I was speaking of. The entitled whiners who cry about not getting an alpha invite for reasons that make sense only to them in their little world. And I'm not trying to help Yoshi or anyone else. I'm merely stating how annoying those kinds of people are with their consistent QQing. And you got ticked off real quick. Which you really shouldn't have, unless... you're one of said people...
And THOSE posts I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. Legit concerns, yeah, I can get behind those. It's complainers, whiners, and QQers who are simply butthurt they didn't get into alpha that are getting sickeningly repetitive.
Again, you are making it out to be more serious that it really is, lol. It's only really that serious to people who are merely angry that they didn't get into alpha. The worst that happened is that a few people didn't get in to test, which includes me, by the way. And again, sites are going to trash FFXIV, no matter what. Yoshi sneezing the wrong way will bring about harsh criticism for this game. So, really, people not getting into alpha is just getting stretched out of proportion.
Actually, if you're going to make a game, you can't tread on eggshells about what a few reviewers might say. Especially sine you know they're waiting to trash the game anyway. These people already have their ammo. They're loaded, and ready to shoot. All Yoshi and his team can do is do what they plan to with the game, how they plan to do it.
I'm not in the game review industry (actually you are talking to someone who is.. *pokes Abriael*) but I highly doubt they purposely attempt to trash games. Having read a lot of reviews they more often then not give games better credits they they deserve (opinion). That isnt to say a game never gets a bad review and you thought it was excellent but that makes sense because of course its still opinion.. But game review sites attempt to capture the essence and importantly what their audience will find useful reading.
Perhaps,vbut I have read more than my fair share of highly questionable reviews by some of these reviewer sites (cough, IGN, cough). And it's cool that Abriel is into that kind of profession, but he seems to have hair-trigger judgment that can be hazardous in his line of work. lol
Quite the contrary. Having been in basically every major MMORPG beta since Ultima Online (and many minor ones), I understand people's motives very well. They're hardly as easy to identify and as black and white as you believe.
Some people are just butthurt. Some people are disappointed because they genuinely want to contribute to the development of the game, some people simply air their frustration not because they have some kind of grudge or because they feel entitled, but because as part of a community, they think in a rather naive way that other people will express their support instead of shooting them down. There are a lot of different motives and a lot of shades of grey.
Nope. That isn't stating a motive. That's stating a belief. And that belief has been created by Square Enix themselves, as the fact that active subscribers were the only ones eligible to the alpha was clearly stated in the application form. When a developer tells paying customers A and then does B, it's not unjustified for the paying customer to be disappointed and voice that disappointment.Quote:
People whining about not getting an alpha invite and how they should have one because they have been long-time subscribers of FF14 have motives that are not only transparent, but they literally STATED THEIR MOTIVES right there!! lol So really, I have no idea what you are even trying to get across.
See what I mean, you're doing it again. You're second guessing my motives without knowing anything about me.Quote:
And you got ticked off real quick. Which you really shouldn't have, unless... you're one of said people...
I got ticked off because I know that a certain amount of disappointment is quite justified in this situation, given the communication blunder, and I find people so ready to jump to the throat of people that are already (rightfully) disappointed rather distasteful.
It happens with every testing. People are always very ready to attack those that are already disappointed, making everyone's disappointment worse. It's bad and it really paints the community in a sad light.
I'm sure there are people that are just "butthurt", but I don't know their percentage, nor you do. So I don't necessarily assume that everyone that complains belongs to that group like many here are doing, nor I go ahead and second guess their motives.Quote:
And THOSE posts I have absolutely no problem with whatsoever. Legit concerns, yeah, I can get behind those. It's complainers, whiners, and QQers who are simply butthurt they didn't get into alpha that are getting sickeningly repetitive.
Nope. It's serious to anyone that knows that a company giving their customers wrong information often can lead to serious issues.Quote:
Again, you are making it out to be more serious that it really is, lol. It's only really that serious to people who are merely angry that they didn't get into alpha. The worst that happened is that a few people didn't get in to test, which includes me, by the way.
[quioe]And again, sites are going to trash FFXIV, no matter what. Yoshi sneezing the wrong way will bring about harsh criticism for this game. So, really, people not getting into alpha is just getting stretched out of proportion.[/quote]
When you have a loaded rifle pointed at your face, encouraging the killer to shoot isn't exactly a sensible course of action.Quote:
Actually, if you're going to make a game, you can't tread on eggshells about what a few reviewers might say. Especially sine you know they're waiting to trash the game anyway. These people already have their ammo. They're loaded, and ready to shoot. All Yoshi and his team can do is do what they plan to with the game, how they plan to do it.
Yoshi-p is always on the first line and among the players to respond to everyone, like a father that shows and explains things to his sons. For that reason, he's a great director.
Oh, some do, believe me. No one that I would bear working with, of course (if any of my writers did something of the sort in any way that I could detect, I'd have a serious talk with them and the rest of the editorial team, and it could easily lead to termination), but I could name a large number of people that openly think that Square Enix deserves a "lesson", and that spare no chance in trying to administer it.
of course Square Enix isn't alone there. Electronic Arts is another good example. Many journos, even highly respected ones, have this warped idea that they're the vigilantes of the industry, and they need to "punish" the evil corporation of their choice with their almighty pen, instead of dedicating themselves to actual reporting.
Of course there are a whole lot of fair, intelligent and relatively unbiased (relatively because absolute lack of bias doesn't exist in any form of journalism. Anyone that tells you he's unbiased lies, and he knows it) ones, but if you look attentively, you'll easily be able to spot the rotten apples.
LOL you two need a room... good read though with good facts