Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

This will be an undeniable problem 7 years down the line. Imagine a new player having to spend a year doing 1000 story quests before they get into the latest expansion? There would be no new players in the latest expansion at all.

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Oh, no doubt. This is an issue with XI at present, with Abyssea and Adoulin needing you be level 99 with iL gear to be viable. But now, in XIV, this issue is moot as there's not that much barring you from running through the story within a month at the slowest of paces. And given story unlocks the majority of content there's honestly no reason not to.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

For some people IT IS all about end-game. Why should that bother you? Story isn't end all be all for EVERYONE. There is no "right way" to play an mmo it's personal choice. ( Is it fair that they are also locked out of new content?They have been playing just as long as you and definitely longer than me. Do they not deserve to see new content because they chose an off beat path but I do because i slogged through the story? Agian people are projecting how THEY think the game should be played and this is wrong. Obviously my views on this are not popular which is too be expected here but I'm just saying not everyone is going to be happy about this nor think its fair and I hope square is prepared for the backlash because believe me it's coming.

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You are playing the wrong game because FF is all about a story. Find a mmo with no story at all so you can stop wasting your money and be happy.

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

This will be an undeniable problem 7 years down the line. Imagine a new player having to spend a year doing 1000 story quests before they get into the latest expansion? There would be no new players in the latest expansion at all.

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You mean a new player having seven years of content so that he'll never complain about doing the same boring stuff again and again and how the game clearly lacks content ?
Oh, the horror.../shudder

I'm trying to imagine what it'd be like in an offline RPG. "What, escaping Midgard and gathering Huge Materia ? I don't have time for that, give me a save file directly in North Crater"

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Oh, no doubt. This is an issue with XI at present, with Abyssea and Adoulin needing you be level 99 with iL gear to be viable.

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The issue with FFXI is that it has a horrible catch-up mechanic. Which is clearly not the same for XIV.

new player won't be happy to do 100quest when they reach level 50 to enter the expansion, cause 2.1 to 2.55 is 100quests. end of story, that's the problem people see. no matter if it's mmo, ff , story driven etc. if they wan't a succesfull expansion with new comer. they failed with that decision.

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Originally Posted by Draylen

new player won't be happy to do 100quest when they reach level 50 to enter the expansion, cause 2.1 to 2.55 is 100quests. end of story, that's the problem people see. no matter if it's mmo, ff , story driven etc. if they wan't a succesfull expansion with new comer. they failed with that decision.

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Why...don't...people...just...want...to...PLAY...THE...GAME.
Everytime something new comes, people are ready to do everything for it...except playing through the content !

At lauch, people were mad from the lack of quests and content to do, now they're mad because they...have something to do. o_O

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

This will be an undeniable problem 7 years down the line. Imagine a new player having to spend a year doing 1000 story quests before they get into the latest expansion? There would be no new players in the latest expansion at all.

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Firstly, I agree with Reynhart. I will ENVY the new players that will have the ability to do that GIANT amount of new stuff. Months of fun! New content all the time! Super easy leveling due to the vast amounts of content!
Secondly, once we get to the point you are describing, I am absolutely positive that SE will add some ways to skip stuff, similar as WoW has, but we are NOWHERE near that point in time. Future expansions might even be their own stories, and not fully connected to the current storyline. Lets cross that river once we get there.

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Originally Posted by Draylen

new player won't be happy to do 100quest when they reach level 50 to enter the expansion, cause 2.1 to 2.55 is 100quests. end of story, that's the problem people see. no matter if it's mmo, ff , story driven etc. if they wan't a succesfull expansion with new comer. they failed with that decision.

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Tbh I would almost rather be in their skin, those 100 quests at lvl 50 we did, those gave us ZERO experience. The players hitting 50 after the expansion comes round will get at least 1 level from just the story content.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Why...don't...people...just...want...to...PLAY...THE...GAME.
Everytime something new comes, people are ready to do everything for it...except playing through the content !

At lauch, people were mad from the lack of quests and content to do, now they're mad because they...have something to do. o_O

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I woulnd't see it as a lot of things to do, or too much things to do, but as a lack of choice. I'm pretty confident that many... including from the silent majority that doesn't come to forums, would choose to skip the story at least for a while to get to the new content. There's bound to be plenty of returning players, not just new who haven't finished up to latest story point and aren't too fussy about it and would just prefer to see the new things, even if it meant being unable to continue the main story until it's finished up to 2.55.

Ahhh the misery of the official forums...

FFXIV ARR content clearing speed will be "faster" <--- This is the devs "helping hand" for new players. It's appreciated and more than enough for newcomers and returners to enter Ishgard.
There is no need to directly enter Ishgard as a lvl1.

Also @OP and whoever shares the opinion that people should be able to enter Ishgard without having finished the main story quests, I tell you this.

http://4.kicksonfire.net/wp-content/...360.jpg?3d0983

If new players that started the game 1 month ago have completed their main quest line and have 3 jobs at lvl 50 wihtout playing 24/7 then why should new players, that start at 3.0, not be able to do the same ?

(/huh)

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

This will be an undeniable problem 7 years down the line. Imagine a new player having to spend a year doing 1000 story quests before they get into the latest expansion? There would be no new players in the latest expansion at all.

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I highly doubt every expansion will need to have the previous one completed if they just do it for this one and just make the 2.0 story needed for every expansion needed for expansion after Heavensward it will be fine they can make it branch off to other far away places like Razat Han for example it seams like it will be the equivalent of Arth a rugan in ffxi.

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

This will be an undeniable problem 7 years down the line. Imagine a new player having to spend a year doing 1000 story quests before they get into the latest expansion? There would be no new players in the latest expansion at all.

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I doubt this is how it will play out. I would expect the first two or three expansions to be part of the continuous story but we will reach a conclusion eventually and further expansions would not need to be story gated. There are also plenty of things SE can do to ease the time it would take to progress through all that story content. It's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Draylen

new player won't be happy to do 100quest when they reach level 50 to enter the expansion, cause 2.1 to 2.55 is 100quests. end of story, that's the problem people see. no matter if it's mmo, ff , story driven etc. if they wan't a succesfull expansion with new comer. they failed with that decision.

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Are you a new player? No? Then please don't pretend you now what new players think of having a host of content available when they start the game. This argument is getting really old considering not a single actual new player has said it. We've already identified that most of the people complaining about this are actually just complaining because their crafting alts and mules can't get free access to Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

I highly doubt every expansion will need to have the previous one completed if they just do it for this one and just make the 2.0 story needed for every expansion needed for expansion after Heavensward it will be fine they can make it branch off to other far away places like Razat Han for example it seams like it will be the equivalent of Arth a rugan in ffxi.

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I am putting my doubts on that. FFXIV seems pretty focused on a linear, set story line. I won't say they won't cut if off after Heavensward ends, but the game is heavily focused on the progression of not only your character, but the people around you as well. Would be awkward if a certain character who is not suppose to be present anymore appears in another story line. Sure it can be worked around as such, but I think the developers want to focus heavily on balancing the traditional FF aspects of the game. I think accessibility makes it balance out with the MMO perspective.

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Originally Posted by berries

I woulnd't see it as a lot of things to do, or too much things to do, but as a lack of choice. I'm pretty confident that many... including from the silent majority that doesn't come to forums, would choose to skip the story at least for a while to get to the new content. There's bound to be plenty of returning players, not just new who haven't finished up to latest story point and aren't too fussy about it and would just prefer to see the new things, even if it meant being unable to continue the main story until it's finished up to 2.55.

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If they didn't do the story, past 2.0, for example, 2.1 through 2.55 is new content to them

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I am putting my doubts on that. FFXIV seems pretty focused on a linear, set story line. I won't say they won't cut if off after Heavensward ends, but the game is heavily focused on the progression of not only your character, but the people around you as well. Would be awkward if a certain character who is not suppose to be present anymore appears in another story line. Sure it can be worked around as such, but I think the developers want to focus heavily on balancing the traditional FF aspects of the game. I think accessibility makes it balance out with the MMO perspective.

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I don't know if you miss understood me or if I gave a bad example but what I mean is they may work it so that yes you will need the 2.0 story completed for every expansion.

But they may also make expansions that have absolutely nothing to do with Eorzea the war the Accians. But instead have us go to some place where this stuff has no influence at all.

Alright, let's assume they did remove the lock. How would that go for the new players that everyone's so gungho to protect?

1) lvl 1 character goes to ishgrad
2) gets eaten by lvl 52 dragon
3) goes back to lvl 1 area to level up
4) does the main story because it's the fastest way to level
5) comes back at level 50 or 51, having likely completed the story anyways while leveling whether they cared or not

So... why would a lvl 1 wanna go to ishgard again?

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

So... why would a lvl 1 wanna go to ishgard again?

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One of the more plausible arguments is to unlock the Extra Jobs. Beyond knowing that they will require Ishgard access we know little else about how to get the Extra Jobs. For all we know they could well require you to have unlocked a Job prior on top of needing Ishgard access, and may well even need for the story to be progressed even further...

Raubahn is so the Dark Knight trainer, calling it now (as I have been since I finished 2.#).

We just don't know. What we DO know is that after Heavensward a goodly amount of existing content will be made easier/more rewarding, whether people wanted it or not (like all the people that were whining at Relic being made easier to get in Heavensward, no matter how much of a necessity it will be going in. Best in Slot {after Novus} till Mythic {maybe}!).

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If they didn't do the story, past 2.0, for example, 2.1 through 2.55 is new content to them

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Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Raubahn is so the Dark Knight trainer, calling it now (as I have been since I finished 2.#).

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Actually about your theory there.

They already stated the Dark Knights are already an established group of fighters who have been in Ishgard for many years. Highly doubtful Raubahn is a trainer especially since if he was close to anything, it would be Warrior, despite him being a Gladiator. DRK's also don't exactly use anger or rage as their power like he does. They simply channel darkness and chaos to overwhelm foes.

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Originally Posted by berries

Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.

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If that was the case, I would imagine people in that mindset would go ahead and buy ARR first and finish it before expansion hits. Not really anything stopping them in a general sense. People with MMO knowledge should know anyways you need to do old content in some fashion before you can engage in expansion content.

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Originally Posted by berries

Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.

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I can assure you, my wife just finished the MSQ, 2.5 was pretty new and shiny for her. Even coil would be new and shiny since she didn't enter it even once.

Same thing...for us, flying mounts, new jobs, new zones, these are big deals.
But talk to someone who doesn't play and tell him "Wow, we're having new jobs, new zones, and we'll finally be able to fly !"
His answer will probably be something like "Ooook, it's...great...i guess"

Locking new jobs that start at lvl 30 behind a lvl 50 story wall is not good design. if ppl are interested in the new classes they have to level another class to 50 just to get the story(just skip CS) out the way. thats the only problem i see. As for not doing the story at all. Just dont watch the CS skip them ur not missing much really.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

If that was the case, I would imagine people in that mindset would go ahead and buy ARR first and finish it before expansion hits. Not really anything stopping them in a general sense. People with MMO knowledge should know anyways you need to do old content in some fashion before you can engage in expansion content.

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New players for sure, but later on there will be bundles too and possibly new/returning players wanting to catch up quickly. How different it is for people to skip cutscenes and not knowing much of the story... or having read about it elsewhere than not having done them at all.. plot hole wise.. which has been thrown around here a little too. Personally I'm fine with content gating.. but I do think whole expansion gating is taking it a step little too far.

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Originally Posted by berries

Sure, the 2.1-2.55 is techinacally new stuff for those who haven't done it, but it's really not, the expansion is all what's new and shiny. There's the allure of new areas, this time bigger with flying mounts, new enemies and generally things to discover and ton of that stuff has nothing to do with the main story.

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I'm sorry but i really did laugh out loud when i read this just now. Re-read what you just wrote and tell me that's not humorous. So if someone else has finished content, said content is no longer new for anyone?

You know you are reaching when your arguments get to the point where yours have my friend.

Now, asking completely straight-faced:

1) What are these hypothetical lvl 1 players going to do in Ishgard when they get there? I mean, the way this game is, most everything is locked behind some kind of quest(this is something many of you supporting the silly OP are forgetting). If design of the game stays the same on this front, pretty much all the lvl 1 player will be able to do is sight-see until they inevitably run into the next quest-locked bit of content. I mean all quests have a lvl requirement currently and i doubt even the 'flavor' quests in 3.x are gonna be able to be flagged by any character under 50.

2) How are they going to get there? Coerthas is a goodly ways away from all three of the starting cities. That is an awfully long way to hoof it as without having done the MQ. There will be no use of a chocobo. They won't be able to teleport there because that functionality is picked up and added onto as the player normally completes various bits of the MQ. And even though it looks like airships are finally getting some love in 3.x, at present there is no airship service outside of the main three cities(and you need a license for even this-which is earned through the MQ...).

3) Most importantly, why would a lvl 1 even want/need to go to Ishgard in the first place. I'll tell you as someone who has been lvl 1 in my fair share of MMOs, that 'go out and see all the things!!!' feeling gets quickly stripped away after the first 30 or so deaths and is quickly replaced with 'i need to lvl my ass up asap!!!". And oddly enough, leveling up asap is facilitated by...

Also isn't this thread neat? "Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ" was the initial request in the OP. Somewhere along the way it became all about lvl 1 characters; i wonder which group will have its right to enter Ishgard sans MQ up to 3.0-readiness championed next!

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I can assure you, my wife just finished the MSQ, 2.5 was pretty new and shiny for her. Even coil would be new and shiny since she didn't enter it even once.

Same thing...for us, flying mounts, new jobs, new zones, these are big deals.
But talk to someone who doesn't play and tell him "Wow, we're having new jobs, new zones, and we'll finally be able to fly !"
His answer will probably be something like "Ooook, it's...great...i guess"

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That coil thing would be new thing for me too, I'm not even entirely sure what it is and that turn this and that talk just leaves me scratching my head. But in the end, those are obstacles for me at the moment to finish the story and eventually continuing on the expansion.

I don't understand that other one... if someone who doesn't play this.. is told about the new things that's coming with an expansion.. and the possible response would be more or less neutral? I'm fairly sure that response would be pretty universal for lot of things.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

Now, asking completely straight-faced:

1) What are these hypothetical lvl 1 players going to do in Ishgard when they get there?

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Where on earth are you getting this?! I thought I read trough almost the whole thread (it is rather long so I skimmed parts of it) and I didn't see anyone asking to come into expansion areas as level 1. If I'm wrong, please correct me and point me to the posts.

And for content being new... really now... it's not new if it's year old(just as an example)... for those who haven't done it is new for them... but it is not new content as a whole regarging the game. I guess I worded it badly, sorry my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

What are these hypothetical lvl 1 players going to do in Ishgard when they get there? I mean, the way this game is, most everything is locked behind some kind of quest(this is something many of you supporting the silly OP are forgetting). If design of the game stays the same on this front, pretty much all the lvl 1 player will be able to do is sight-see until they inevitably run into the next quest-locked bit of content. I mean all quests have a lvl requirement currently and i doubt even the 'flavor' quests in 3.x are gonna be able to be flagged by any character under 50.

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At this point, we don't have to deal with this. For which I am grateful.

That said, if SE decides to someday throw the gates open for content-free map exploration of any level 50 player (50 ilevels undergeared to survive in said areas), I would still expect that npcs within and beyond are unwilling to give players the time of day, let alone access to their technology (aka the jobs you must earn, personal airships, quests etc). As in, they don't want to do content to get in, fine, don't expect to get content inside, either.

But why would they. So much of the past five years has been quests and NPCS effectively giving players the finger to even suggest entry.

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BRAINSTORM! Let's undermine our business model of providing effective RPG storytelling for thirteen sequels, and tell the players "forget all that junk, here's your keys to the city"!

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Yeah, I don't see that happening.

In the end all these arguments are moot. Those whining aren't speaking for themselves (unless they have bots to catch up), the game mechanics are already established (buy or don't buy, your choice to accept the terms or not) and it is in reality entirely fair if you have to go from poin A to B to get access to C, just like the rest of us.

For someone to say that this is 'poor design' or 'not what the silent majority wants' or 'unfair' is incredibly naive, or coming from someone who would rather play in a sandbox.

To each his own, but if you don't like it, you know where the door is. Gating isn't and by all means shouldn't go away.

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Originally Posted by berries

1)Where on earth are you getting this?! I thought I read trough almost the whole thread (it is rather long so I skimmed parts of it) and I didn't see anyone asking to come into expansion areas as level 1. If I'm wrong, please correct me and point me to the posts.

2)And for content being new... really now... it's not new if it's year old(just as an example)... for those who haven't done it is new for them... but it is not new content as a whole regarging the game. I guess I worded it badly, sorry my mistake.

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@1-Sorry, simply taking all this 'let's skip the MQ' business to its ultimate iteration. I mean, if you skip the MQ, might as well be talking about a lvl 1 character. Also many of the ppl that have rotated in and out in support of the OP have repeatedly referred to brand new players being locked out of Ishgard-again in my mind that means ppl who haven't done the main quest.

Would you rather i stick to saying 'new players' ?

@2-No need for apologies. As i said i actually found it humorous, which is pretty awesome imo.

Still didn't answer the questions though.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

For someone to say that this is 'poor design' or 'not what the silent majority wants' or 'unfair' is incredibly naive, or coming from someone who would rather play in a sandbox.

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Why is expressing opinions about design choices naive? Developers aren't all knowing who make only right choices. Who knows maybe this choice benefits the game in the long run, but all I can do to is express my concerns and issues with it.

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Originally Posted by berries

Why is expressing opinions about design choices naive? Developers aren't all knowing who make only right choices. Who knows maybe this choice benefits the game in the long run, but all I can do to is express my concerns and issues with it.

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Okay, I'll bite.

What MMORPGS have you designed to have superior opinions to that of SE's international staffing?

SE has done two so far. Both largely successful.

They even made mistakes along the way, and have since overcome them, becoming stronger than ever.

But sure, if you make opinions, and have logic and evidence to back them up, sure, we and the mods/devs could consider it.

Likely say "no, that's not going to work", but it certainly will be 'considered'.

And if that is all you wanted to do, then your job is done.

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Originally Posted by berries

to put it short... what does it really matter if level 1 players somehow could go to new areas? They couldn't do much but at least it would be something they could choose to do... if for whatever reason they wanted to... but eventually they would need to get back to old areas anyway to level up and possibly do the story quests too.

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Because SE was built upon an industry where the story is important to the player and needs to be upheld as a beacon of quality in their flagship IP, "Final Fantasy". Establishing story blocking the road and thoroughly explaining how you got past that is necessary, which the MSQ does properly. The alternative is via changing the conditions of the lore retroactively. This is called retcon (retroactive continuity), and is sorely frowned upon in the industry, and would taint the Final Fantasy brand.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

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Still didn't answer the questions though.

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This 1000 character limit is so infuriating! If anyone knows better way to deal with it than posting and editing aftwewards, please let me know!

Sticking with new players would seem to make more sense. When the expansion hits, new players can/should get to 50 fairly quick, and wouldn't you think they're still new players even after few weeks?

And yes sorry I didn't answer the questions, itwas because I questioned the level 1 thing which made no sense to me... but to put it short... what does it really matter if level 1 players somehow could go to new areas? They couldn't do much but at least it would be something they could choose to do... if for whatever reason they wanted to... but eventually they would need to get back to old areas anyway to level up and possibly do the story quests too.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Okay, I'll bite.
What MMORPGS have you designed to have superior opinions to that of SE's international staffing?
SE has done two so far. Both largely successful.
They even made mistakes along the way, and have since overcome them, becoming stronger than ever.
But sure, if you make opinions, and have logic and evidence to back them up, sure, we and the mods/devs could consider it.
Likely say "no, that's not going to work", but it certainly will be 'considered'.
And if that is all you wanted to do, then your job is done.

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Quick edit here: I replied to something else I see now, I was too distracted and read your reply wrong and thought you aksed my design choices or something

Well for one thing I'd like to point out again which I said earlier. Rift made 1-2 player versions of the (some?) raids so they could be experienced by those who really can't do that otherwise, I think that is a fantastic idea. I've always been little disgruntled with story being behind hard mode content and I think something similar would work here too, have that actual story mode for those who want nothing more than that and leave the more difficult part to those who want to grind for the equipment. And you know.. I don't want to be "that" person and I'm sure you expected this comment, but... 1.0 wasn't all that successful with it's design choices ;)

In any case, this is a fantastic game in overall... just those couple complaints from me. But in return I would toss back that thinking of develepoers being all knowing who can do know wrong, would seem rather naive, don't you think? Haven't been there plenty of mishaps already, like with tomes and seals and the early fate grinds which have been later changed? I'm sure someone knows those better than me and feel free to correct me on those, I only read about those and not experienced first hand.

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Originally Posted by berries

Well for one thing I'd like to point out again which I said earlier. Rift made 1-2 player versions of the (some?) raids so they could be experienced by those who really can't do that otherwise, I think that is a fantastic idea. I've always been little disgruntled with story being behind hard mode content and I think something similar would work here too, have that actual story mode for those who want nothing more than that and leave the more difficult part to those who want to grind for the equipment. And you know.. I don't want to be "that" person and I'm sure you expected this comment, but... 1.0 wasn't all that successful with it's design choices ;)

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Aren't they adding pretty much those exact things?

I wish I had a source for this, but aren't they introducing a system where you can summon NPCs in dungeons to help alleviate a lot of these issues?

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I wish I had a source for this, but aren't they introducing a system where you can summon NPCs in dungeons to help alleviate a lot of these issues?

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It would be cool if they did, or at least introduced some sort of scaling to party size (or not even scaling just remove the requirement of a full party entirely). Or are they removing party requirements for new content as well? My friends and I could clear a lot of content with just 4-5 of us but needing to have a full party of 8 to enter is a problem. If people can clear with fewer they should be allowed to.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

It would be cool if they did, or at least introduced some sort of scaling to party size (or not even scaling just remove the requirement of a full party entirely). Or are they removing party requirements for new content as well? My friends and I could clear a lot of content with just 4-5 of us but needing to have a full party of 8 to enter is a problem. If people can clear with fewer they should be allowed to.

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They are implementing a system where you can enter dungeons with fewer than the required amount of people. I can't recall if this applies for 8 man content too.

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Originally Posted by berries

And you know.. I don't want to be "that" person and I'm sure you expected this comment, but... 1.0 wasn't all that successful with it's design choices ;)

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Speaking for myself, I loved 1.0, loved 2.0, and I'm confident that 3.0 will be loved as well.

And I did mention mistakes in your quoted text. I am aware how much they realized there was a problem, and went to extraordinary lengths to ensure that the Final Fantasy brand was not tainted. They rebooted an entire MMO. NOBODY does that, nor did anyone expect it to happen so smoothly. And again, such a retcon would be extremely risky on their part because of what FF stands for, and how it would taint their brand.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

Aren't they adding pretty much those exact things?

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The level of un/misinformed in this thread is just astounding......

Yes... it's been pointed out several times in this thread already. Was even talked about just a couple pages back--think the posts were last night in fact. ALL of this has been done before with SE's previous IP that launched in 2002 and is STILL active to this day, with one final expansion on the horizon that is expected to finally tie up a lot of loose ends from previous expansions. Let me rephrase that for you...SE's last Final Fantasy foray into MMORPG has been running strong for 13 years now, with lots of expansions, and still has one more big one planned (think it is due in 2016 or something?).

I think it is safe to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have pretty good reasons for what they are doing. While this is not FFXI 2.0 and was never intended to be as such--they are in fact implementing some elements that led to it's success. Granted, some things could use some tweaking to keep up with the times and all---but in general I think the team they have working on it now has a pretty good idea of what they are doing for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Because SE was built upon an industry where the story is important to the player and needs to be upheld as a beacon of quality in their flagship IP, "Final Fantasy". Establishing story blocking the road and thoroughly explaining how you got past that is necessary, which the MSQ does properly. The alternative is via changing the conditions of the lore retroactively. This is called retcon (retroactive continuity), and is sorely frowned upon in the industry, and would taint the Final Fantasy brand.

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I wish I could properly discuss about the access to Ishgard lore/story wise, but for the moment I can't. But what I saw reading/skimming trough this thread, they are very xenophobic there and don't allow anyone else in than the "hero?" player... singular.. as in as far story is concerned only one is let it? And if that's the case how it's explained in the story that there's actually ton of players there? Now I'm probably all wrong with these so shoot me down if I am and if possible correct me without any major spoilers, please

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Originally Posted by berries

This 1000 character limit is so infuriating! If anyone knows better way to deal with it than posting and editing aftwewards, please let me know!

Sticking with new players would seem to make more sense. When the expansion hits, new players can/should get to 50 fairly quick, and wouldn't you think they're still new players even after few weeks?

And yes sorry I didn't answer the questions, itwas because I questioned the level 1 thing which made no sense to me... but to put it short... what does it really matter if level 1 players somehow could go to new areas? They couldn't do much but at least it would be something they could choose to do... if for whatever reason they wanted to... but eventually they would need to get back to old areas anyway to level up and possibly do the story quests too.

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Which is most likely the same reasoning the SE devs where using when they decided to keep access to the new jobs and the vast majority of the expansion behind the need of MQ completion-among other things(many of which we have very little idea about).

It is all well and good to have choices, but sometimes 'just because' is not a good enough reason to be given a choice or option that is essentially pointless. I mean you say it yourself, new players going to Ishgard before they finished the MQ would end up simply going back and finishing it up to 3.x anyways. I think SE saying to just do the MQ first is a good call for the design route they have decided to take in handling expansion content.

Now if you want to call out SE for developing HW for high level play(lvls 51-60) instead of making it more middle of the road, that would be a valid issue and one that they have struggled with even in FFXI(the lack of mid-level content and a 'top heavy' playerbase). But i don't think i have seen where anyone has given much thought to this in this thread. Its been all, 'I am caught up on the MQ, but what about the new players(cough-my mules), they are gonna have a hard time getting to Ishgard >.>'

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Originally Posted by berries

I wish I could properly discuss about the access to Ishgard lore/story wise, but for the moment I can't. But what I saw reading/skimming trough this thread, they are very xenophobic there and don't allow anyone else in than the "hero?" player... singular.. as in as far story is concerned only one is let it? And if that's the case how it's explained in the story that there's actually ton of players there? Now I'm probably all wrong with these so shoot me down if I am and if possible correct me without any major spoilers, please

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Same way we all do the other one-of-a-kind things we do, like defeating Shiva and Ultima weapon. The same reason we can farm Levi 1million times in a row and he's still surprised by our "treachery". Cause it's an online game and you suspend your disbelief.

More specifically, we all earned our way in through the Steps of Faith. That's about as much as I can clarify with 0 spoilers.

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Originally Posted by berries

I wish I could properly discuss about the access to Ishgard lore/story wise, but for the moment I can't. But what I saw reading/skimming trough this thread, they are very xenophobic there and don't allow anyone else in than the "hero?" player... singular.. as in as far story is concerned only one is let it? And if that's the case how it's explained in the story that there's actually ton of players there? Now I'm probably all wrong with these so shoot me down if I am and if possible correct me without any major spoilers, please

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Same reason why you don't die from gun shots and sword swipes in Final Fantasy.