New NMs

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

There used to be a similar argument in ff11 about needing less people to do events.

Something like a party of 6 should be able to do anything, simply make things weaker so a party of 6 can kill it but still be hard. The problem is, if 6 people can kill something, its not hard, even if its hard for you, it took almost no cooperation with others and most likely very little strategy. Something that would take 18 people and still be hard is many many times more difficult.
You only having 5 friends shouldnt be my problem either.

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think your missing the point.never said i agree with the current game direction, just saying we can complain all we want , the fact of who they are catering to wont change and that includes 24h nm timers.anyways /away!

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Originally Posted by Visch

If it's killable anyone will be able to kill it which means the gear won't be limited and also there will be no competition.

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I don't see how anyone will be able to kill it, if it is really difficult, it could even take hnmls months to kill it.
Also, if there is a reeenter time of 72hr or once a week, the items drop by the boss WILL be rare.

This kind of competition is more revelant, it is the competition of player's skill and gearset trying to defeat a super hard boss.

What kind of competition does camping nm offer? competition of whose internet ping is the best? or who is the luckiest? or who don't need to sleep? it makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Poipori

I don't see how anyone will be able to kill it, if it is really difficult, it could even take hnmls months to kill it.
Also, if there is a reeenter time of 72hr or once a week, the items drop by the boss WILL be rare.

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Difficulty is no factor. If you can kill it you can kill it again. It's not rare no matter what because everyone is killing it. Not 1 kill every 24 hours. 1 kill for every LS every 72 hours is a lot more added up.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

You cant want the best gear in the game and be against camping and for long respawns, atleast if getting the best gear in the game involves NM's. If your solution is the random spawning of mobs anywhere in the game with no pattern of any kind, you sir, will never see the gear i promise you.

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You think that camping NMs is what needs to be awarded most, with best gear?
The solution with the random spawning of mobs anywhere in the game with no pattern of any kind would add rare items. Very rare items.

I never said that this should be the only sort of NM, there are various options to add instanced NM, faction leve NM, BCNM, the current open world NM.
There could be tournaments with rewards (instanced PVP) and lots of other new game modes.
Please note, I am not 100% against camping, we talk about 24h pops here!
Being restricted to a single window every day is simply unfair given all the different time zones.
Some people are limited to certain times and i want to play the game when i am free and not at night or when i am supposed to work. Why is that so hard to understand?
Make it pop often, lower the drop rate.
Also IMO the super rare gear should be untradeable and people should be able to hold only one.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

There used to be a similar argument in ff11 about needing less people to do events.

Something like a party of 6 should be able to do anything, simply make things weaker so a party of 6 can kill it but still be hard. The problem is, if 6 people can kill something, its not hard, even if its hard for you, it took almost no cooperation with others and most likely very little strategy. Something that would take 18 people and still be hard is many many times more difficult.
You only having 5 friends shouldnt be my problem either.

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how does needing a long pop timer or a certain number of people make a boss harder?

it don't.

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Originally Posted by Moth

It is kinda sad to see how uncommitted you guys are.... now I understand why the JP players laugh at the NA's

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no, because my life isn't pathetic enough to revolve it around a video game.
as much as i like playing, real life > video games

so in a sense it's kinda sad to see how much you seem to prioritise a game over real life

It seems that everyone always wants what they're used to; no one likes change at all.

This is Final Fantasy 14, not 11.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Falcus

no, because my life isn't pathetic enough to revolve it around a video game.
as much as i like playing, real life > video games

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Generic excuse for being bad.

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Originally Posted by Godking

It seems that everyone always wants what they're used to; no one likes change at all.

This is Final Fantasy 14, not 11.

Get over it.

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LOL. Have to play the game to be good.

GET OVER IT.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Difficulty is no factor. If you can kill it you can kill it again. It's not rare no matter what because everyone is killing it. Not 1 kill every 24 hours. 1 kill for every LS every 72 hours is a lot more added up.

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So you don't want anything to be hard, you just don't want other people to have the gear you do? Given enough time a vast majority of people will have it anyway, deal with it.

LOL @ people thinking that this game won't be 95% casual. That's where the money is at, and that's the direction this game will be headed. JPs want casual, NAs want casual... SE will deliver it. Fine by me though, bring on casual gaming!

HNM camp players are a unique ilk, that's for sure. Used to be one, they have a very warped sense of what is entertainment. They have more fun knowing who loses than winning anything. Should go back to 2002 where they belong IMO.
The more "important" a NM is the more likely it should be difficult and the more likely it should be instanced or pop-spawned.

Let everyone try to fight it. Let those who can beat it get the drops.
They should not make the primary mode of entertainment standing there like an idiot waiting, vokebotting, and countercamping.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

So you don't want anything to be hard, you just don't want other people to have the gear you do? Given enough time a vast majority of people will have it anyway, deal with it.

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No they won't. KB was out forever. Barely anyone had D rings.

If an LS can kill something once they can kill it again. I'm not saying it should be easy, I'm saying difficulty does not determine rarity. If it's instanced that means it will be less rare. Please read.

This is the kicker everyone.
Visch makes a thread for who wants 24 nm, most of us say no. And all he does is insult us assuming we want a hello kitty mmo. And everytime people feed him facts he shoots them down

Visch what server did you play on ffxi and what was your characters name and 6 highest jobs? And name the hnmls you was in with website and proof of character. :)

Visch and his shell have elitist issues. Not surprising that the people who came out of the closet in this thread were who they were.

That kind of game and entertainment is dead. You don't have to restrict access to a NM to make it fun. Just make the NMs so hard they kill most who try. Let anyone try who wants.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Should go back to 2002 where they belong IMO.

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The game came out in the US in 2003 by the way. Go back to crying about easter events and getting posts removed.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Visch and his shell have elitist issues. Not surprising that the people who came out of the closet in this thread were who they were.

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You have anger issues about easter events.

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Originally Posted by Visch

You have anger issues about easter events.

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What the hell o_O?

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Originally Posted by Visch

Difficulty is no factor. If you can kill it you can kill it again. It's not rare no matter what because everyone is killing it. Not 1 kill every 24 hours. 1 kill for every LS every 72 hours is a lot more added up.

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There are really other ways of making items rare, don't just limit to thinking that camping nm is the sole solution.

Take EQ2 for example, there are special items being awarded to the first kill of an NM in the server, there is only 1 of that item exist in the entire server.

Now that promotes healthy competition, it lets guilds compete with each other to see who has the best skill in game.

This is just one example, there are many other ways of making things rare, really.

Do you really enjoy staring at the screen, waiting for pop that much?

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Originally Posted by Visch

The game came out in the US in 2003 by the way. Go back to crying about easter events and getting posts removed..

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Real FFXI players imported. Scrubs started in 2003!

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Originally Posted by Poipori

Do you really enjoy staring at the screen, waiting for pop that much?

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Sad thing is, they really do. Anything that they can keep most people from trying, they enjoy.

Hoping these new NMs are moderately low to mid rank in power. Need to spread the Notorious love around a little.

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Originally Posted by Visch

The game came out in the US in 2003 by the way. Go back to crying about easter events and getting posts removed.



You have anger issues about easter events.

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WHAT THE FLUX........ HOW DOES THIS EVEN REMOTELY RELATE TO WHAT PERE SAID.

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Originally Posted by Visch

The game came out in the US in 2003 by the way. Go back to crying about easter events and getting posts removed.

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Trust me, WOW is your game. You shold go and buy it, it is all about gearing up.
It is perfect for lite gamer with too much free time. No worries, its not too hard.

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Originally Posted by Visch

No they won't. KB was out forever. Barely anyone had D rings.

If an LS can kill something once they can kill it again. I'm not saying it should be easy, I'm saying difficulty does not determine rarity. If it's instanced that means it will be less rare. Please read.

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What does rarity have to do with this, other than epeen of course, if SE are clever they will keep adding armour to the game at a steady pace, which will make NM's irrelevant within a few months to half a year.

They plan to go up to rank 99 from what I can tell so we aren't going to be stuck fighting the same NM's for years to come.

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Hoping these new NMs are moderately low to mid rank in power. Need to spread the Notorious love around a little.

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Lol just imagine the rage that these guys will have if they are.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

WHAT THE FLUX........ HOW DOES THIS EVEN REMOTELY RELATE WHAT WHAT PERE SAID.

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It's fine. Let them compete in any way they think will help them.
Except ya know...archaic spawn design for a dead MMO player base.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Sad thing is, they really do. Anything that they can keep most people from trying, they enjoy.

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Try editing posts, not replying twice in a row please.

Also, your LS is going to be having a hard time enjoying anything with the new 8 person party limit. I have fraps on don't worry! :)

But back on subject. It's not about being unfair to casual players, it's about being fair to everyone and making a game that will last instead of being nothing but spoon-fed content.

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Originally Posted by Poipori

Take EQ2 for example, there are special items being awarded to the first kill of an NM in the server, there is only 1 of that item exist in the entire server.

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Now that is a little too crazy! JPs would have all of them :P

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Lol just imagine the rage that these guys will have if they are.

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The game really needs those NMs like Leaping Lizzy and Valkrum Emperor. It seems so empty with out them. :(

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Originally Posted by Visch

Try editing posts, not replying twice in a row please.

Also, your LS is going to be having a hard time enjoying anything with the new 8 person party limit. I have fraps on don't worry! :)

But back on subject. It's not about being unfair to casual players, it's about being fair to everyone and making a game that will last instead of being nothing but spoon-fed content.



Now that is a little too crazy! JPs would have all of them :P



The game really needs those NM like Leaping Lizzy and Valkrum Emperor. It seems so empty with out them. :(

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I guess your definition of fair is the game catering to the only 3 people on these forums asking for 24 hr NMs? Wow.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Try editing posts, not replying twice in a row please.

Also, your LS is going to be having a hard time enjoying anything with the new 8 person party limit. I have fraps on don't worry! :)

But back on subject. It's not about being unfair to casual players, it's about being fair to everyone and making a game that will last instead of being nothing but spoon-fed content.



Now that is a little too crazy! JPs would have all of them :P



The game really needs those NM like Leaping Lizzy and Valkrum Emperor. It seems so empty with out them. :(

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Yeah and you all thought your server had issues...we got an migrant shell full of that. Who knows where they came from. Probably XI. They sound like XI brand.

*rolls eyes*

OK can a mod lock thread this obviously a flame bait post., no matter what we say Op (whos character is stuck in the 70s with those god aweful sideburns) (i seen pics dide >.>) is just spouting anything to attack the poster and not commenting on what was actually typed.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

I guess your definition of fair is the game catering to the only 3 people on these forums asking for 24 hr NMs? Wow.

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Because the game is defined by what people say on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Yeah and you all thought your server had issues...we got an migrant shell full of that. Who knows where they came from. Probably XI. They sound like XI brand.

*rolls eyes*

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No the server is full of your 120 member LS. :) We don't need that much.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

OK can a mod lock thread this obviously a flame bait post., no matter what we say Op (whos character is stuck in the 70s with those god aweful sideburns) (i seen pics dide >.>) is just spouting anything to attack the poster and not commenting on what was actually typed.

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http://i51.tinypic.com/ilbx53.png

Jelly at the burns son?

You should be locked from forums because all of your posts are incoherent insults and mindless unconstructive babble based on nothing.

Hahaha Visch you just got buried son.
Find another way to compete with all these players.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

OK can a mod lock thread this obviously a flame bait post., no matter what we say Op (whos character is stuck in the 70s with those god aweful sideburns) (i seen pics dide >.>) is just spouting anything to attack the poster and not commenting on what was actually typed.

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This is the first and probably the last time I will reply to one of your post, but seriously nobody is forcing you to post in this thread.

If you don't like it, turn around and walk away.

Besides those aren't sideburns these are sideburns.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/962/jinko.jpg

I actually like 24hr pop NMs, but I don't like that some LSs will obviously camp them 24/7. Competition makes games fun, but unhealthy competition makes players quit. So...I'm a little torn on this. I like the idea, but I don't like what will happen to the community as a result of it..

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Originally Posted by Visch

Because the game is defined by what people say on the forums.

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Come on, he is right, it is just you and your 2 LS buddies :D

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Hoping these new NMs are moderately low to mid rank in power. Need to spread the Notorious love around a little.

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I actually thought of this as a possibility. Won't know til the patch is implemented, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Lol just imagine the rage that these guys will have if they are.

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Pfft, even if they dont like it, we need NMs of all ranks to flesh out the world. Even if its just a "Mighty Mole" or something :P

I do hope they stick with giving the NMs distinguishing features like bigger horns, crazier spikes, drastically different fur/skin, or ornate armor.

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Pfft, even if they dont like it, we need NMs of all ranks to flesh out the world. Even if its just a "Mighty Mole" or something :P

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Ya, for sure.
WTB BUBBLY BERNIE LAWLS

Real Life > Video games is/has always been true and people need to stop repeating it, people like myself, luckily get to play at work so i do have higher play time than usual. What is pathetic is that you barely play like most casuals and expect the entire game to revolve around you and your play time, you only playing 1-2hrs a day, not my fault/problem, when you log on the game does not/should not suddenly fall into your schedual if it in any way effects others way of playing.

Games such as Final Fantasy do not shut down when you log off.

FF11 did not revolve around HNM ls's, there was tones and tones of casual content that most casuals after 9yrs or w/e never completed, HNM/hardcore people would complete this content in a year or less and move on. Bringing up FF11 is relivent even though this "IS FF14" I know, stop repeating eachother, but FF14 has come after FF11 and can learn from it.

For those that didnt play FF11 when it came out, it was fkn horrible, the game did take like 5-6yrs to become great (until abyssea). FF14 is like starting on year 3-4 in compairison.

Nobody is pushing for the game to revolve around HNM ls's, were asking for content for us after we beat in 6months what will take you years. Why do we have to be where you are. Not once have i see someone post "HNM's should be the only way to get the best gear", in 11 there were tones of events that all had the best gear in the game for different jobs.

Though HNM content should not be here soon by any means, needs to be rank 75+ or something, getting gear thats outdate in a month after it came out is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Because the game is defined by what people say on the forums.

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These forums are for constructive input/suggestions from the community, it's what they were built for. If you can't garner enough support here, you won't garner enough support from the people busy playing the game and not interested in its development if they don't come here already.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Hahaha Visch you just got buried son.
Find another way to compete with all these players.

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Players? LOL. It's ok, They'll only be in parties of 8. That's enough to kill Uraeus. :P

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Originally Posted by Randis

Come on, he is right, it is just you and your 2 LS buddies :D

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You're so funny. You act as if the people who use the forum actually play the game and devs will do what they say. :)

You have no argument other then you want to be as good as people who play more than you.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

These forums are for constructive input/suggestions from the community, it's what they were built for. If you can't garner enough support here, you won't garner enough support from the people busy playing the game and not interested in its development if they don't come here already.

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Then say something constructive? There is no need to garner support from people who are rank 34 and will never even kill an NM nor understand what a 21-24 hour window even is.