You got to beat a scaled-down version of Ifrit in the r25 quest. That's your handout. Leave the "Hard Mode" (it's seriously IN THE TITLE OF THE FIGHT for crying out loud) as it is.
Learn what abilities leave you locked in an animation longer than others, and either avoid using them outright or learn Ifrit's timing in each of his phases so you have enough recovery time afterward. (Preferably the latter.)
I admittedly still screw up the timing here and there and catch a plume to the face. Is this SE's fault? Of course not. If I ran out into oncoming traffic and got turned inside out by a Mack truck, would I blame the Dept. of Transportation?
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11-01-2011, 01:12 AMObsy
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11-01-2011, 01:17 AMRemVye"Mrs. Doubtfire, what ever happened to Mr. Doubtfire?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsy
"Ahh, well you see he was a bit of a drinker and it was the drink that killed him"
"oh my I'm so sorry, he was an alcoholic..."
"No no dear, he got hit by a Guinness truck so it was literally the drink that killed him" -
11-01-2011, 01:23 AMAlerithOnly in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsy
ZING! -
11-01-2011, 01:25 AMSilvertearRen
Good morning.
I'm not even going to bother responding to the new posts in full, as I've already provided the responses earlier in the thread to such statements. The gist of it is below...
Regarding R25 Ifrit Fight: It's not repeatable unless someone in your party has the quest, and the behavioral patterns of Ifrit are not the same as R50. So that does not qualify.
Regarding using other class abilities: Stop thinking that "everybody" has the time to go around getting all of the classes to the appropriate rank just so they can participate in Ifrit "optimally". This is exclusionary behavior.
Regarding everybody else's responses: Read through the entire thread and learn how to respond through proper context, please. Just standing there from your own perspective and slinging your canned responses isn't going to help advance a constructive discussion.
I swear, this forum is hosting a community that is worse than World of Warcraft's at times... -
11-01-2011, 01:26 AMPrettyPrincessPlease for the love of the Twelve tell me your are not just realizing this.Quote:
I swear, this forum is hosting a community that is worse than World of Warcraft's at times...
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11-01-2011, 01:30 AMDoctorMogQuote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
Your idea of what this game should be is so far off in left field... I don't even know what to say to you anymore.
Everyone bitched that classes werent unique enough.
SE makes them more unique.
Then you come along complaining that some classes are better at Ifrit than others.
It's the price you pay for unique classes.
If you want unique classes, you can't balance content so that all classes are equally good on the encounter.
Pick one:
Classes are all similar - All content can be completed by all classes equally.
Classes are unique - some classes are better than others at certain things.
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11-01-2011, 01:30 AMMeatdawgQuote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
If you played as much as you posted you would have a few other jobs leveled. -
11-01-2011, 01:31 AMPrettyPrincessI lol'd .Quote:
Originally Posted by Meatdawg
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11-01-2011, 01:32 AMJennestia...Heh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
It takes almost no work to get Pugilist to level 6 for Second Wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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11-01-2011, 01:33 AMShneibelI think you can do that with 1.21 when job is avaiableQuote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
ninja edit: well you still need other class to some what lvl 15 but you dont need to have all to 50 to be to effective -
11-01-2011, 01:35 AMSilvertearRenIn FFXI, I had only Dark Knight leveled up past 60, and it was difficult to really do the content at that level because I didn't have the time and dedication to level other jobs to 75. As a result, everybody's going "Hur dur, you're not good enough for the party, gtfo" and booting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
I came to FFXIV because I wanted a more enjoyable experience that would not be a repeat of one of my worst MMO experiences in the last five years.
80+ WPM, do you have it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meatdawg
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11-01-2011, 01:36 AMZenge
The way how chain xp works, without a doubt you'll get plenty of levels in a matter of hours. 30-35 in 2 hours is pretty fast.
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11-01-2011, 01:39 AMPlagueMe too. Seriously thou, check Dr. Mog's post a few above this one....Tis the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess
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11-01-2011, 01:40 AMEnma
Ifrit's battle it's not difficult at all. The only skill needed to beat him is Sentinel (GLA L36), and a good team work. The problems that you are encountering could be caused by a bad coordination between party members. I wiped for a long time only because of it...
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11-01-2011, 01:42 AMVelhartOhh man then you are not going to like how the job system works.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
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11-01-2011, 01:43 AMPlagueQuote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
That sucks, but in any MMO you have to put in time and consider other peoples time as well. That's why you were being booted...It's like not having consideration for the other people that put in that time to be able to do X content.
Maybe you just don't have the time to play MMO's? I mean if you're having a crappy experience....You know do something else for fun, like offline games. -
11-01-2011, 01:43 AMSilvertearRenLong as I can get Dragoon, I'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
Planning on a break from XIV, starting up TESV: Skyrim, and going on a rampage with the help of mods and dev codes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plague
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11-01-2011, 01:44 AMAlerithMy main job (and only 75/95) has been Paladin FOREVER. And anyone who has played FFXI knows how unneeded they are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
But I play the job because I like it, I enjoy it and it's fun.
That has carried over to XIV with me. I play Gladiator because I love tanking. I have CON and THM at 20 simply because I leveled them when I felt like it. Currently my PUG is at 15, working my way very slowly towards Accomplice and Second Wind II. But you know what?
I can still tank Ifrit without losing hate.
It's all about knowing what your class is capable of without added abilities from other classes. Cadence + Riot Blade and provoking every time the cool down is up will ensure you keep hate. Sentinel, Rampart II and Obsess will ensure your healer doesn't get a cramp from hitting their healing macro.
Apply this line of thought to any job you play. Instead of others telling you what you NEED to beat Ifrit, show them what your class can do without all the frills. -
11-01-2011, 01:46 AMJennestiaYou won't, since you dislike leveling other classes. It's FFT style, e.g:Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
DRG = Lancer (Requirement 1)
MRD (Requirement 2)
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11-01-2011, 01:47 AMDoctorMog
When he realizes he needs more than Dragoon to kill Shiva, expect another thread on the matter.
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11-01-2011, 01:48 AMPrettyPrincessGAWD PLEASE NOQuote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
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11-01-2011, 01:49 AMMeatdawgA Dragoon without an Ifrit weapon to bootQuote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
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11-01-2011, 01:49 AMSilvertearRenWorth a shot, I suppose. I see nobody has taken the time to provide a link to the data about Ifrit's fight. I've seen the BlueGartr video, but I'm not as eagle-eyed as you people are, and would appreciate some kind of wiki page that helps spell out each nuance of the fight. (Like the stances of Ifrit, that had been mentioned earlier in this thread, for example.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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11-01-2011, 01:50 AMVelhartPretty much. Is that confirmed? I know so far we have Paladin = GLA(30), MRD(15).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
Anyways, Final Fantasy has always revolved around leveling more classes than one in their job system. Things that come into mind are FF3, 5, 11, 12(kind of?), and FFT. This is a common concept in FF itself, and I am happy to see it is applied into their MMO's. This game is built around the concept of exploring more roles than one, and if you don't like it, I would suggest finding an MMO that keeps you on one role. -
11-01-2011, 01:50 AMSol_AureusYours still creeps me out. They just sit there...waving....Quote:
Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess
Anyway, back on topic. To be honest I think Yoshi-P struck a really good balance with the fight. The "hardcore" take the content first and figure out the strategies to beat it, then the non hardcore people can get advice from those who have cleared it, so they know the tricks of the fight from the start, which makes it a lot easier for them. -
11-01-2011, 01:51 AMSilvertearRen*writes a memo*Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
Noted. Garuda, and Moogle, too. Steel yourselves!
I'm not saying I hate having multiple roles. I just don't have the time to train multiple classes to their optimal levels. What part of that is so difficult to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
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11-01-2011, 01:54 AMObsyI'm getting the feeling that you're projecting a sense of privilege on players that are succeeding in these fights. It does suck that you're in that position; you're allowed to feel any way you want, and I can empathize with feeling excluded when privilege plays a role, but in a situation like an online game, different tiers of difficulty and content need to be made to take the entire playerbase into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
Some people dig the snot out of DoH/L's tediousness, while I would rather have a spider lay eggs in my ear. Given that I refuse to put myself down that path, it's only natural that I don't expect to make crap-tons of money selling the latest synths for hundreds of thousands of gil a pop.
Other people prefer repeatedly running headlong into what at first seems to be the brick wall that is (Hyper mode) Ifrit... until they find those cracks in the grout that get them closer and closer to beating him. Their reward for sticking to it, communicating, and learning the cues to stay alive is a very small chance at getting an over-sized cigarette lighter. That has awesome stats. And they deserve it. There are people in my LS that have gone 0/30 on getting a weapon drop, and they've put in the hours to learn the fight's mechanics like the back their hands.
In both cases, who is anyone else to say a player isn't allowed to be proud of the reward they've certainly put the time and effort in to earn?
I'm sure one would argue that not everyone that has their rewards had actually 'earned' them, given spamming ENTER with DoH, etc. but there are like eighty threads covering that topic already. -
11-01-2011, 01:56 AMRemVyeQuote:
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11-01-2011, 01:57 AMJennestiaThe concept is yeah, not the exact pairing for DRG, however since it's a crit based job it wouldn't surprise me if Pugilist is one of the classes needed for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
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11-01-2011, 01:58 AMRemVyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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11-01-2011, 02:01 AMVelhartTanking is so ridiculously easy on Ifrit. Just have to know your position and where to move before he comes back down from his jump, and you are good. Admittedly as a GLA, I actually like MRD tank more on Ifrit. Getting my MRD to 50 to do that. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
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11-01-2011, 02:04 AMAkayoAkayu
I disagree with OP, there needs to be stuff that kills everyone. If stuff isn't hard there is no accomplishment in killing it. While I may disagree with ppl flaunting shiny gear, they have definately earned the bragging rights. Why would we want to get rid of that???
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11-01-2011, 02:28 AMOriasPHASE 1 100-80%: Ifrit should be really easy. He doesn't use weaponskills, and just auto attacks. Use this time to break both horns. Spinstroke II, Victimize II and Bloodletter can break right horns. Twisting Vice and I think its Brutal Swing II can break the left. All melee (archers included) spam TP moves in this phase from the front to break his horns. Do not use high damaging weaponskills until horns are broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
Phase 2: 80-50%~: Ifrit will now use weaponskills. He can use a conal fire breath attack and swipe and two others (crimson cyclone and eruption). He will use a weaponskill every 15 seconds. In this phase, melees should be in position. Lancers, Marauders and Puglist should be behind Ifrit as much as they can, mages and archers should be on left/right side. All people besides tank should be ready to move!
Crimson Cyclone - Ifrit Teleports, dashes across the screen for high damage. When he teleports, all should run in to where tank is. Tank should move up a little bit, and move back into position when he has landed.
Eruption - Move when cracks appear! Do NOT run into anyone else, especially the tank!
Phase 3: 50~% to 30~%: Ifrit is now glowing. He can use Radiant Plume now. Eruption now causes three cracks to appear (so NEVER run into another group). With Crimson Cyclone, he teleports three times now. Have all run to tank and enter passive mode, to recover some HP at this time. Tank stand still until he has warped for third time.
Radiant Plume - Summon spheres on ground that blow up for massive damage. If all people are standing where they should be, this move should never be a problem.
Hellfire Phase: 30~%: Ifrit summons Nails and reverts back to Phase 2 behavior. You have 60 seconds from now to kill nails and prepare for Hellfire. Use whatever defense augmenting skills you have (Rampart, Sentinel, Tempered Will, Emulate, .etc) at the end. A good idea might be to use Second Wind when nails spawn to have an idea when he will Hellfire.
Last Phase - Reverts back to Phase 3 Behavior, except Crimson Cyclone is buffed slightly (you treat it the same though). Just be as alert as you have been before and you'll win. -
11-01-2011, 02:29 AMAlerithIt was an example. I don't have a DD's perspective for the fight. I only have the Gladiator perspective. And for the longest time, I was told I NEED Accomplice, I NEED Second Wind II, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
It's the same thing for other jobs. There are things that make whatever you're doing easier, but you don't NEED them to be effective. -
11-01-2011, 02:31 AMDoctorMog
DoW's Ifrit How To:
http://www.daevaofwar.net/index.php?...o-ifrit-guide/
For what its worth. -
11-01-2011, 02:31 AMRemVyeYou haven't beaten Ifrit yet though. Not trying to be a dick... but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
There is a reason you need certain skills. You need to mitigate damage, you need to be able to help heal (yourself). Using ONLY gladiator skills will put a lot of extra pressure on your mages.
^Not saying it's impossible... but it's very poor choice to make. Your mages will probably hate you :D -
11-01-2011, 02:33 AMSilvertearRenThanks. I'll share this with the people I run Ifrit with. It'll give me a better shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orias
Question: About Radiant Plume, the way you mention it suggests there are some spots on the map that are "immune" to Radiant Plume. Can you clarify this for me?
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Originally Posted by Orias
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11-01-2011, 02:35 AMAlerithAnd we've never lost because of tanking. Also, if you re-read what I originally posted, I do have Cure II and Sac II. Most damage mitigation abilities come from Gladiator anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
I never said it isn't going to put a strain on the mages. However, strain on the mages does not make an ability REQUIRED. What is required is not getting yourself blown up. -
11-01-2011, 02:40 AMVelhartYou improve yourself to cause less strain on the ones healing you. That is the whole point of getting geared up. Hell, if I knew mages could just heal me fine no matter what, I would be tanking these fights naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
In this case, getting abilities that help your survival from MRD, PGL, CNJ, and others are quite essential to becoming a viable tank, because I would be pissed if I was a mage and had to waste more MP on you because you couldn't take the time like the rest of us and make yourself as efficient as can possibly be. -
11-01-2011, 02:42 AMDaPhro
WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD?? THEY SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER JUST FOR ME
-Feral Ren