FFXIV FOR THE NINTENDO SWITCH

I would gladly trade in my PS4 for a more powerful version of the Nintendo Switch that can outperform PS4 in not only framerate in both handheld and docked mode, but with internet connection speed as well, especially with the Soyny censorship and I have a gut feeling that Shadowbringers is going to get delayed on PS4 because of said censors...

Why would they make the effort of putting it out on such an under powered console like the switch when the PS5 and new Xbox will be coming out in a few years? and when that happens I bet the PS4 will get the axe just like the PS3 because it will be holding certain parts of the game back too...Spec wise the Nintendo switch just wont be able to keep up unless Nintendo does a huge hardware upgrade that is on par with the PS5.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

I would gladly trade in my PS4 for a more powerful version of the Nintendo Switch that can outperform PS4 in not only framerate in both handheld and docked mode

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Such a thing will not be available on the market for the next 3-4 years at the very minimum and even then it would be quite expensive. Technology just isn't there yet.

Also, censorship will not touch this game, don't worry. Sony is only censoring very specific games that have a strong "erotic" component, and ffxiv is not one of those games.

The Switch really isn't preforming as well as Nintendo hoped atm and we just got rid of ps3 and are dropping 32 bits finally. SE would have to either release a less beefy and downgraded version for the switch and probably switch only servers, or face tons of limitations. Not to mention bad press for porting a game that is already behind others on a technical level, onto a platform that is even further behind on a technical level.

Switch is great, I know, I have one, but seriously this is not a game that is made for that sort of niche console. If they would make a switch port they would literally be setting themselves back years. Maybe FFXIV Immortal would work on it. But not FFXIV as it is now.

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Originally Posted by Vonleo

Why would they make the effort of putting it out on such an under powered console like the switch when the PS5 and new Xbox will be coming out in a few years? and when that happens I bet the PS4 will get the axe just like the PS3 because it will be holding certain parts of the game back too...Spec wise the Nintendo switch just wont be able to keep up unless Nintendo does a huge hardware upgrade that is on par with the PS5.

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32-bit PC limitations are the new PS3 limitations, Yoshi-P said it himself...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

32-bit PC limitations are the new PS3 limitations, Yoshi-P said it himself...

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And they are dropping 32 bit PC support with Shadowbringers, Yoshi-P said it himself ;)

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Such a thing will not be available on the market for the next 3-4 years at the very minimum and even then it would be quite expensive. Technology just isn't there yet.

Also, censorship will not touch this game, don't worry. Sony is only censoring very specific games that have a strong "erotic" component, and ffxiv is not one of those games.

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Uh huh... Western technology maybe since people are still not done upgrading their computers to the latest best system because western gamers either don't have time or money(more often than not both)... not sure about eastern technology that actually is designed for gaming...

And as for Soyny only censoring "erotic" component, glamour function would be gutted to hell and back and also Lalafells would need to be removed from the game completely because of "pedophiles" and whatever else Soyny deems "too harmful for children" when most of them are either people who don't play video games and are not parents, or people who are shitty parents and don't play video games, hell MCH would probably need to removed along with Garleans and whatever fictional deities are in the games lore, and magic, and any other religious symbols in the game... I would not be surprised if that actually happened and that would most definitely make me not want to even touch Shadowbringers or FF14 ever again...

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

And they are dropping 32 bit PC support with Shadowbringers, Yoshi-P said it himself ;)

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Basically what you said.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

32-bit PC limitations are the new PS3 limitations, Yoshi-P said it himself...

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And 32 bit operating systems haven't been the standard for a long time.

Honestly, I can't imagine XIV on the Switch aside from hardware and proper gaming control issues because the Switch/Nintendo has always been seen as the "fun, family friendly, group activity and party play" console. Nintendo has never been really known for porting or supporting MMO's and the general target audience of Nintendo products has never been marketed mainly to adults, its always been small children to young adults usually.

I also don't want a random Mario cameo to show up in XIV either and we know that's going to be part of Nintendo's terms probably that Mario gets to show up at least once. I'm sorry Nintendo, you have enough games to flaunt your mascot. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Mario per say, but you have enough games to show off your flagship, dear god, you have Smash. If XIV suddenly has Mario show up, it really will look like a theme park MMO then. The kind that only stays a float by how many more ridiculous things we can put into XIV to gain new subs whether it makes sense or not and abusing the "they came from another dimension! It's okay!" trope a million times.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And 32 bit operating systems haven't been the standard for a long time.

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Yoshi showed that only 1.87% of players use the 32-bit version so they decided to end support.

This allows them to get past a 2gb limit and use as much memory the system has to offer. The 32-bit version can only address 25% of the memory which the PS4 edition can address so it’s a major limitation.

As for the switch, it’s in the same league as the PS3 in terms of power so it’s not gong to happen. We would see a cellphone version before a switch version.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

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If you are worried about censorship for any of those things you mentioned, you probably should never play an MMO or even use the internet for that matter again. The game is not that erotic unless you stumble in to an in-game role play chat, to which it's easy to remove yourself from that situation anyway, and I think the rest of the stuff you just have a strange imagination.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Uh huh... Western technology maybe since people are still not done upgrading their computers to the latest best system because western gamers either don't have time or money(more often than not both)... not sure about eastern technology that actually is designed for gaming...

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You do realize that amd, intel and nvidia are US companies, right? There's not such a thing as "eastern technology designed for gaming". There are not semiconductor producers in the east that somehow are 10 years ahead of their american competitors and can create small chips for mobile platforms that are more powerful than the ps4 for a competitive price (and manage to meet the power consumption and heat requirements of a mobile chip).

I'm seriously starting to wonder whether you're just trolling now...

@Kurrando obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on topic, also just let the ERPers have their fun and do not ban them.


@Lastelli I was referring to how some some eastern countries have more stable internet connection for their MMOs and that was my fault for not being extra specific.


@Driavna I agree with you that censorship is not a good thing because it means we cannot have discussions like this on the forums and what have you.

It wont happen for the same reason its not on XBox One. Exclusivity. This is why you can play FFXIV on PS4 without PS+ if it were to go on to either console and for this youll have to suspend reality for a sec. IF it were to be ported to the switch or xbone then you would NEED PS+ and even then we wouldnt be able to play with people on the other consoles and to that extent pc users.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

@Kurrando obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on topic, also just let the ERPers have their fun and do not ban them.

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No idea where you got that from, never said anything about banning anyone. In the end there are potentially worse online games that may require censorship on console, and FFXIV isn't one of them, so that's it really.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Also, I won't be surprised if at some point FFXIV becomes a PC exclusive.

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The amount of subs that would be lost because of the high number of console players (especially in the JP home market) would be a terrible business move. Maybe a future FF could be PC exclusive, but definitely not XIV as it stands.

I'm actually against this being on switch. I love my switch BUT I dont think FFXIV would benefit overall. It would be like bringing the PS3 back into the fold. I just dont feel like the Switch has the capabilities in terms of system and memory capacity which was the issue the PS3 had, and to some extent even the PS4. I want to see XIV get better, not go in reverse.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

As cool as it would be for a portable FFXIV, I don't see it happening now that the public has an idea what it's capable of. Surprised to see Xenoverse 2 stated for it, but it's a smaller scale game compared to this.

However, that XI remake that's supposedly going to mobile... they could make an upscaled version of that for the Switch.

http://gematsu.com/2016/04/first-loo...lopment-mobile

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I think they should do that.

Ps4 pc Mac all x86 based switch is arm... Lots of work to make this happen. It's why switch ports take so long.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

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Can you give some recent examples of games that have been censored by Sony and what needed to be changed to be accepted by them?

Well Dragon Quest X (popular in JP) was released on several consoles by SE to satisfy their home market, so anyway like I said I don't see an immediate switch from console at this point or any time soon. Perhaps the next generation consoles will change things, but we'll just have to wait and see.

As long as Switch port doesn't affect the game (as example, introducing the well know "limitations" we suffered for keeping up the PS3 in line), I've nothing against a swich port and I think we can play there 30fps, because all assets will be tuned down for its hardware.

I did recently read an interview to Yoshida where he made clear that "tuning up" the graphics will be a huge cost because it have to rework everything graphic, while tuning down is much more simple and that was one of the things that helped made ARR get to life. So if a switch version comes up, I expect a tuned down graphic in order to make the game play smooth 30fps in all situations, without introduce limitations.

Maybe we will likely can see XIV into a "switch 2" console, given the time it passed from switch release.

I would leave it to the most knowledgeable of the situation, namely Yoshi.
If he has expressed his interest, then if all things go well with Nintendo, I would leave it to the dev of the game to port it in the most optimum manner with the most intended purpose.
To me, seeing as how he has continued expressing his interest in porting it to the platform, the primary likelihood of the port depends on the condition of the agreement between all sides for cross play as he stated.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I also don't want a random Mario cameo to show up in XIV either and we know that's going to be part of Nintendo's terms probably that Mario gets to show up at least once. I'm sorry Nintendo, you have enough games to flaunt your mascot. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Mario per say, but you have enough games to show off your flagship, dear god, you have Smash. If XIV suddenly has Mario show up, it really will look like a theme park MMO then. The kind that only stays a float by how many more ridiculous things we can put into XIV to gain new subs whether it makes sense or not and abusing the "they came from another dimension! It's okay!" trope a million times.

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I think you have it backwards. I sincerely doubt Nintendo wants Mario associated with a game that features questionable language, the use of drugs, alcohol (since that keeps getting censored outside of Japan - we all know King Koopa is holding a sake bottle in Mario Kart), prostitution, slavery (Ul'dah's coliseum, if you've forgotten), dismemberment and *gasp* actual death.

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As for the topic, bringing FFXIV to the Switch, I couldn't say. I don't have enough technological knowledge of Switch/PS4 to compare and what FFXIV actually needs (and will need if they are planning to update the game's graphics as was hinted for the expansion after Shadowbringers). It's not really so much as bringing a Nintendo console up to Sony's level, it's about making sure it'd meet FFXIV's requirements to run smoothly.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I think you have it backwards. I sincerely doubt Nintendo wants Mario associated with a game that features questionable language, the use of drugs, alcohol (since that keeps getting censored outside of Japan - we all know King Koopa is holding a sake bottle in Mario Kart), prostitution, slavery (Ul'dah's coliseum, if you've forgotten), dismemberment and *gasp* actual death.

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As for the topic, bringing FFXIV to the Switch, I couldn't say. I don't have enough technological knowledge of Switch/PS4 to compare and what FFXIV actually needs (and will need if they are planning to update the game's graphics as was hinted for the expansion after Shadowbringers). It's not really so much as bringing a Nintendo console up to Sony's level, it's about making sure it'd meet FFXIV's requirements to run smoothly.

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Not necessarily, all they would have to do is ask SE to heavily censor and make a special version for Switch users that's localized and edited enough where all of that is covered with fluffy sprinkles and cotton candy nonsense. And we all know that Nintendo would ask that to be done too. I think you underestimate Nintendo's persistence to have their demands met and SE's love of extra income from other companies as the bait and motivation to allow it.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Not necessarily, all they would have to do is ask SE to heavily censor and make a special version for Switch users that's localized and edited enough where all of that is covered with fluffy sprinkles and cotton candy nonsense. And we all know that Nintendo would ask that to be done too. I think you underestimate Nintendo's persistence to have their demands met and SE's love of extra income from other companies as the bait and motivation to allow it.

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You speak as if you're our bible, knowing exactly what Nintendo would do in any circumstance. Have you spoken with Nintendo about this matter to derive your conclusions which we have to believe or have you seen it happen and come back to warn us of the great calamity of a Mario hat on a Miqo'te's head or are you just assuming things? And have you a post complaining about how Level-5 infested your game with the Yo-kai Watch disease that it's no longer playable that you might share?

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Originally Posted by Husain

You speak as if you're our bible, knowing exactly what Nintendo would do in any circumstance. Have you spoken with Nintendo about this matter to derive your conclusions which we have to believe or have you seen it happen and come back to warn us of the great calamity of a Mario hat on a Miqo'te's head or are you just assuming things? And have you a post complaining about how Level-5 infested our game with the Yo-kai Watch disease that it's no longer playable that you might share?

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....Do you get upset every time someone has opinions regarding that porting over XIV to the Switch may not be a smart move with possible implications or are you blinded by rose colored glasses simply because of something you want as evident by your signature. I mean, you couldn't make it more obvious even if you tried.

It's not rocket science to notice the patterns and the marketing trends between certain companies, it just takes general observation skills and common sense. I should know, I do marketing for companies all of the time.

This is not an echo chamber for your thoughts only and if you can't bring anything else towards the conversation besides snarky, peanut gallery commentary...then maybe the discussion is not for you. Nothing I said was rude, but you sure are being it right now.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

....Do you get upset every time someone has opinions regarding that porting over XIV to the Switch may not be a smart move with possible implications or are you blinded by rose colored glasses simply because of something you want as evident by your signature. I mean, you couldn't make it more obvious even if you tried.

It's not rocket science to notice the patterns and the marketing trends between certain companies, it's just takes general observation skills and common sense. I should know, I do marketing for companies all of the time.

This is not an echo chamber for your thoughts only and if you can't bring anything else towards the conversation besides snarky, peanut gallery commentary...then maybe the discussion is not for you. Nothing I said was rude, but you sure are being it right now.

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If it's not rocket science, I'd still leave it to the one more knowledgeable person of the situation, who expressed his interest, to choose the direction, of the game he and his team knows best. The rest of your post is pointless. And yes, I knew you would hate my signature.

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Originally Posted by Husain

If it's not rocket science, I'd still leave it to the one more knowledgeable person of the situation, who expressed his interest, to choose the direction, of the game he and his team knows best. The rest of your post is pointless. And yes, I knew you would hate my signature.

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...So, you have nothing of value to add towards the rest of the discussion but shifting the goal posts and ad hominems when you've been proven to be not only wrong, but rude also.

Good to know that any further discussion with you is pointless and talking to a brick wall.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

...So, you have nothing of value to add towards the rest of the discussion but shifting the goal posts and ad hominems when you've been proven to be not only wrong, but rude also.

Good to know that any further discussion with you is pointless and talking to a brick wall.

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As much as you see your side as being logical, I see mine as being logical too. Had Yoshi already said, instead of being still in the talks with Nintendo, that the hardware is not what they're looking for, after the 2 years of the Switch's specs being known, I would have left the idea behind, but seeing as he continued to show interest and that he wants it to be on as many platforms as possible, and that he is still interested in the Switch, I'm fine with it.
And I'm sorry that you don't always have things the way you want them to be in life and that you're not the center of the world.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Not necessarily, all they would have to do is ask SE to heavily censor and make a special version for Switch users that's localized and edited enough where all of that is covered with fluffy sprinkles and cotton candy nonsense. And we all know that Nintendo would ask that to be done too. I think you underestimate Nintendo's persistence to have their demands met and SE's love of extra income from other companies as the bait and motivation to allow it.

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Well, Nintendo changed a lot in the last few years. We now have brands like bayonetta, and some recent games (arms and even botw) are clearly trying to cater to a more adult and /or "naughty" audience.

That's not the problem though, since ffxiv has very low chances of being ported to the switch in the first place for obvious technical reasons.

One thing to consider is that if a switch version is released, it needs to be playable in both docked and portable mode. I don't think that some content in the game (like eureka and 24-man raids) can run on the switch in portable mode, not even if everything is severely downgraded until it looks like a ps1 game. We don't even know if the luminous engine is compatible with the console.

Another important thing: if ffxiv is released on the switch, it means that future expansions should be developed for the switch too. This means ZERO room for technical improvement for the next 4 years at the very least.

I feel like people wishing for a switch port don't really care about the game and only care about the console.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

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I agree with much of what you said, Nintendo owns Fatal Frame as an IP from Koei Tecmo and it's filled with ghosts, girls in bikini, stories of torture, homicide and rituals, and then the console now has Dark Souls, promoted by Nintendo with an Amiibo and whatnot, and other examples like Bayonetta etc. so I can't see where someone who tries to reason with that are coming from other than not being up to date with the subject.

It's true that there would be more room for tech specs improvement in the game, but it may not be where the game is headed, since Yoshi in this recent interview seemed more interested in other aspects of visual improvement rather than tech specs:

https://i.imgur.com/EhR4BCe.jpg

But then again, even if they tried to push forward in the tech specs, they would risk losing the players who yet remain on the PS4 for possibly a long while after the next generation consoles release. And yet again, Yoshi keeps saying that they want the game to be playing through as many platforms as possible, and the Switch has a considerable amount of players I'm guessing SE may want to include in their player base. So from what I see, they would either try to make it playable on every console including the Switch to keep the low, average and the high tech spec hardware players or just abandon the people who could not afford to play FFXIV due to the decision to keep the game for a higher spec hardware player base. From Yoshi's words, that they want to keep it on as many platforms as possible, I understand that Yoshi is more interested in the availability rather than the increase in graphical fidelity.

As for how you feel regarding people who want the game to be on the Switch being people who don't care about the game and just care about the console, I don't agree with it, simply because I myself, may have a different perspective as to what may be beneficial to it in the long run and if Yoshi and his team see that it is the right thing to do due to the business and marketing strategies they wish to make for the sake of the game, even if it means gaining more audience through sacrificing a matter for another, I support. Not everyone is a crazed Nintendo fanatic simply because he/she wants the game on the platform, it may just be that they simply don't agree with you,

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Originally Posted by Husain

... from what I see, they would either try to make it playable on every console including the Switch to keep the low, average and the high tech spec hardware players or just abandon the people who could not afford to play FFXIV due to the decision to keep the game for a higher spec hardware ...

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I think XIV 1.0 was a lesson in that sense: high spec = commercial failure.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I think XIV 1.0 was a lesson in that sense: high spec = commercial failure.

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But conversely, this MMO is a lesson in that keeping your game chained down by outdated (or with the inevitability of becoming outdated) hardware isn't ideal either. It wasn't just because of a lack of graphical fidelity that the team constantly slagged the PS3 port. It fundamentally restricted a lot of what they could do in terms of improvements for the game at large because the PS3 could barely run the game once it hit Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Enla

But conversely, this MMO is a lesson in that keeping your game chained down by outdated (or with the inevitability of becoming outdated) hardware isn't ideal either...

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You're right. I think the "sweet spot" is between low and high specs. Not too low for the graphic appeal, and not too high to avoid lose customers without high-end machines.

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Originally Posted by Husain

So from what I see, they would either try to make it playable on every console including the Switch to keep the low, average and the high tech spec hardware players or just abandon the people who could not afford to play FFXIV due to the decision to keep the game for a higher spec hardware player base. From Yoshi's words, that they want to keep it on as many platforms as possible, I understand that Yoshi is more interested in the availability rather than the increase in graphical fidelity.

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There were 85 mlns of ps3 around and many people were still playing on the ps3 when they decided to cut the support for the platform because it was keeping the game back (and the switch is not much more powerful than the ps3). Clearly, all publishers would like to release their games for as many platforms as possible...but there's a problem.
If a publisher decides to release a game for hw with very different capabilities, the game will be developed with the lowest common denominator in mind. This not only means worse graphics, it also means less technically demanding content (say goodbye to large scale content, bigger and more alive areas, better AI, for instance). And here's the problem: there's no guarantee that the players on the more powerful platform will be ok with this. Think about the whole diablo mobile fiasco. Sometimes devs just need to choose one target hardware and do the best they can withing the boundaries of that hardware. If a game or a franchise is historically linked to a platform and its playerbase is on a specific platform, trying to go after a new platform and a new target is extremely risky whenever the game will need to be adjusted for the new hw. In ffxiv case, there's a lot that can be improved and is already below modern standards, things that the playerbase has been asking for some time now, and many times the devs replied with "ps3 limitations" or "server limitations". You can be sure that many players will be pretty upset if the devs create another constraint for themselves by making a switch version.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

You're right. I think the "sweet spot" is between low and high specs. Not too low for the graphic appeal, and not too high to avoid lose customers without high-end machines.

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Correct, and this is true for any game. Unfortunately, "switch level" is just too low for this game.
There are games that are perfectly fine for the switch, but ffxiv is not one of those games and for its own good I hope that the only reason why yoshida mentioned the possibility of a switch port was because he just didn't want to say "no way" and annoy someone. After all yoshida says a lot of things that ultimately amount to nothing.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Not necessarily, all they would have to do is ask SE to heavily censor and make a special version for Switch users that's localized and edited enough where all of that is covered with fluffy sprinkles and cotton candy nonsense. And we all know that Nintendo would ask that to be done too. I think you underestimate Nintendo's persistence to have their demands met and SE's love of extra income from other companies as the bait and motivation to allow it.

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That makes no sense for making a censored version just for the Switch. A port is not quite the same as what China and Korea have, which are heavily censored.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Well, Nintendo changed a lot in the last few years. We now have brands like bayonetta, and some recent games (arms and even botw) are clearly trying to cater to a more adult and /or "naughty" audience.

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Nintendo has a few mature rated games on its older consoles. Seriously, have you guys forgotten about Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, Wolfenstein II, Perfect Dark? Heck, Mortal Kombat, Fallout and Doom were on the SNES. There's probably a few games on the NES that would have been rated mature, but the ESRB did not exist then (thanks Mortal Kombat). Nintendo is not just suddenly catering to the more mature audience. It's always been there, but it's not its most advertised audience.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

That's not the problem though, since ffxiv has very low chances of being ported to the switch in the first place for obvious technical reasons.

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Agreed. I don't see FFXIV coming to the Switch at all.

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Originally Posted by Airget

This is the important question. After dropping PS3 SE wouldn't fallback and support a system that is weaker than PS4. However if Nintendo Switch is stronger or as powerful as the PS4 then it's possible.

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Or cloud streaming... :)

I really hate the whole “lol Nintendo is just for casuals and kiddies” thing. I love Nintendo games the same way I love Disney, it’s something everyone can enjoy. I’m 34 and I love Wreck it Ralph, Up, The Legend of Zelda, and Super Mario.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Well, Nintendo changed a lot in the last few years. We now have brands like bayonetta, and some recent games (arms and even botw) are clearly trying to cater to a more adult and /or "naughty" audience.

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Ah, you're right. I almost forgot about Bayonetta and whatnot. Good call.

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I feel like people wishing for a switch port don't really care about the game and only care about the console.

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Yea, that's how I feel too, so I can understand you there.

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Originally Posted by Husain

And I'm sorry that you don't always have things the way you want them to be in life and that you're not the center of the world.

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Actually, that comment would be more fitting for you since you keep rehashing the same, tired, old line that the Switch would be possible simply because Yoshi was in talks about doing it and running that as a 100% certainty when it's not while ignoring mostly what everyone else has been saying and that it just wouldn't technically be there as the main reasoning among other estimates.

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As much as you see your side as being logical, I see mine as being logical too.

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You're not being logical, you're just being hopeful and wishful thinking because you want something that has been proven to not technically work, and you don't want to hear that from others. You're also using your opinion as an excuse to be extremely rude and condescending towards someone else that doesn't share the same opinion as you when I haven't done either of those things to you in response so far. The world doesn't revolve around what you want on the forums either, maybe you're the one who needs to learn that life lesson and not respond poorly when someone tells you "no."

Please no. I have a nintendo switch and the pure downgrade of what they had to do to port warframe to the game was insane. I dont wish that for ffxiv. Especially considering new consoles are coming out most likely after shadowbringers but before the next expansion after shadowbringers.

Plus I dont see nintendo changing their minds on the online subscription cost to play online games.