What's with people saying Yokai-Watch looks out of place?

There's literally nothing wrong with this crossover event a lot of the complaints I'm seeing here come from people who either don't know what it it is or people that say it looks out of place and doesn't fit.

For the 5 people who have actually played a FF that isn't XIV have you looked at the random enemies in Eorzea lately? they look pretty familiar don't they? Yes, let's complain about things looking out of place and not fitting when we have these guys running around in T4 and Azys La (spelling?)
http://i.imgur.com/4YerOYv.png
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Why these two enemies in particular? Because they're strongly ingrained in XIII's lore and are a pretty big deal in the datalogs they have no place in XIV's universe, the yokai watch stuff is harmless and is just for fun any complaints about lore and stuff not fitting should be thrown at the window because XIV obviously didn't care from day 1 when they blatantly recycle enemies from any FF game with walking animations to save on cost.

Maybe I'm biased because I love Yokai-watch but I think people really need to learn to have fun with crossover stuff, Phantasy Star Online 2 gets this stuff all the time with Sonic the Hedgehog and Hatsune Miku but no one on JP forums or English people get this salty over it. I hope it gets more people into Yokai Watch, criminally underrated in the west and it's mostly from Americans "not getting it"...hmm kinda reminds me why XIV localization team made some changes to XIV but I digress.

I am happy with any event. It is something to do and experience with a lot of rewards.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

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Why these two enemies in particular? Because they're strongly ingrained in XIII's lore and are a pretty big deal in the datalogs they have no place in XIV's universe,

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To add, I should also point out the Mammol Ja, Crocs with zipper faces, XII!Mimics (coincidentally also found in the same Allagan areas as your examples) and other stuff that are taken from either XI or XII.

At the same time I am looking forwards to the event as well but I think the reason is that in spite of stuff like the Hildibrand quests, people seem to compare this game and Heavensward in particular to Game of Thrones, and because of the the Target audience, Yo-Kai Watch is seen as a Kids Game/cartoon, something that seems like a far cry from Game of Thrones, even watered down. (plus I heard someone on reddit complain about textures)

People still need to chill when it comes to events, even XII, VII and XI had their lighter moments, hell, I'm sure that for all the death and sex and grimdark, even Game of Thrones still had their moments of humor.

The XIII things don't have the horrendous mouths that will be exposed from now on, though.

My retainers are crying at the thought of all those things that need storing. ;_;

They are adorable, let the haters hate. I will be carring my Koma with me EVERYWHERE!

It's an MMORPG. Some things are meant to look out of place after all. Fighting battles semi-naked? Airships with tiny wings? Jump unreal distances at unreal accelerations and speeds? and tons of others. Event and Collaboration items are always supposed to look a bit "alienish".

"It looks out of place" They say without irony while glamoured in full AC Cloud Gear with a Blazefire Saber. XD

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

People still need to chill when it comes to events, even XII, VII and XI had their lighter moments, hell, I'm sure that for all the death and sex and grimdark, even Game of Thrones still had their moments of humor.

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Most of those light moments were designed to be a part of the game, though. Sometime's they would even be a part of the main storyline (though often they wouldn't be, however would still be a part of the worlds lore). I feel that people find it jarring because it's not from a Final Fantasy game at all.

All that said, though, we'll see how the event is handled. If they treat it the same way they did with Dragon Quest X (99% FFXIV, 1% Yo-Kai Watch - mostly being the rewards), then I couldn't care less.

I do think it's silly, cause the haters saying it's out of place are just assuming and making up their own lore. I honestly see Yokai Watch as an entity that could possibly live anywhere and it's the watch that lets people see them. This means that if the watch were to exist in some form in the world of XIV then we would see those creatures. That's why I"m like, what is the big deal, I really think people complaining are pretty much implying that the world can only work one way and everything on Earth is illogical because it doesn't all look the same or follow the same logic.

I think they look out of place as they've ported stuff with an anime aesthetic strait into a game which has a more realistic aesthetic

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Originally Posted by Airget

I really think people complaining are pretty much implying that the world can only work one way and everything on Earth is illogical because it doesn't all look the same or follow the same logic.

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That's what we refer to as dogma.
Dogma, as it applies to fiction, is know as canon. And canon demarcates the limits of a given fictional reality, forming an anchor to reader's comprehension of that universe.

If you start hamfisting malapropos concepts, objects, and entities from one piece of media into another it interferes with the construction of a coherent narrative, and causes a breakdown of immersion; more so if those things are rendered in a fashion vastly disparate from the rest of the game, extant in a vacuum. Pulsework knights, FFXII mimics, the crocs, etc. those things definitely exist in the game because NPCs acknowledge them; we're even contracted to cull them by questgivers. But unless Youkai Watch lore becomes part of FFXIV canon (which I sincerely hope it isn't) then all these YW items are merely nonsensical, incongruous, immersion-shattering eyesores.

Because this people thing that what they said should be done. I like this things. THis are simply events to get glamour items. Is not related with story or something like that. It is not like the cute cats will defeat Nidhogg and save Eorea.

Let' people enjoy it. If someone doesn't like, just don't participe in the event. It is very simple.

For me is ok, Nyan :3

These few pieces of glamour gear will totally ruin the lore because they are not MATURE and SERIOUS for MATURE and SERIOUS people such as themselves...

Anyway, did the prevision crossover seasonal events have any impact on the actual main story? No
Will this one have? No
It'll just be another round of "they came from another world trough some rift in the void"

(I'd personally find all the Allagan stuff with its blinking neon lights more jarring and out of place anyway)

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

These few pieces of glamour gear will totally ruin the lore because they are not MATURE and SERIOUS for MATURE and SERIOUS people such as themselves...

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IKR. Ruining the immersion of shades+afros, giant chocobo helmets, rapidly spinning rocket turtles and every-occasion-bikinis

I think that part of the concerns is that visually they don't seem to mesh.

It is like they need 1 more set of shade/texture filters on them or something.

You're missing the point, entirely.
It's like watching game of thrones, and people fight with donald duck themed swords. Or imagine 2 armies clashing and everyone shouting YOLOOOOO; YASS QUEEN, SHAADE.
Those machines aren't out of place - old civilizations with machines, is common theme in most FF games (actually can't think of a single FF game without machines) Garlemald military is almost entirely based on allagh tech. Binding Coil is all machine, alexander is all machine, void ark is all machine, azys is a huge floating mechanical fortress! putting some machine from another FF game, into this FF game, isn't "out of place"

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Originally Posted by Airget

I do think it's silly, cause the haters saying it's out of place are just assuming and making up their own lore. I honestly see Yokai Watch as an entity that could possibly live anywhere and it's the watch that lets people see them. This means that if the watch were to exist in some form in the world of XIV then we would see those creatures. That's why I"m like, what is the big deal, I really think people complaining are pretty much implying that the world can only work one way and everything on Earth is illogical because it doesn't all look the same or follow the same logic.

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Using the term 'haters' just negates your argument outright as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen quite a few people are expressing their concerns because this sort of thing is becoming more and more common. When this sort of 'silly stuff' was confined to a specific set of quests - such as Hildibrand - it wasn't so bad. People are growing wary, however, because it's happening more often and it's a very jarring contrast to the rest of the game and general atmosphere/sense of immersion.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Is not related with story or something like that ... If someone doesn't like, just don't participe in the event.

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It's actually worse that they're not story related. You have these curiously simple and cartoonish phong-shaded mounts/minions/items which juxtapose terribly with the comparatively detailed and cohesive high-fantasy backdrop of XIV. This stuff looks alien, and it clearly doesn't belong.
And certainly I can opt-out of participating in the YW event, but this is an MMO: other people wont, and if they then choose to equip these hideous things I am yet -against my will- confronted by them; them merely existing compromises immersion and hampers the experience for anyone concerned with a cohesive art style. Imagine a new player getting dumped into Eorzea after character creation and the open cinematics, only to see another player running along carrying an oversized cartoon dildo with a big puppy face decal- the fuck are they supposed to think about the rest of the game from that image?

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

These few pieces of glamour gear will totally ruin the lore because they are not MATURE and SERIOUS for MATURE and SERIOUS people such as themselves...(I'd personally find all the Allagan stuff with its blinking neon lights more jarring and out of place anyway)

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This is not what people are arguing at all and it seriously gets on my tits when people use strawman arguments to diminish genuine issues. This concerns "artistic integrity", in every possible interpretation of that phrase. The YW items are an unprecedented stain on this game's aesthetics and it concerns me that this event might pave the way for FFXIV turning into another S4 League, Team Fortress 2, or TERA.

Also regardless of how you feel about the appearance of Allagan engineering those designs have been cemented as part of the game world, and were created precisely with the intent of appearing extraterrestrial.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

You're missing the point, entirely.
It's like watching game of thrones, and people fight with donald duck themed swords. Or imagine 2 armies clashing and everyone shouting YOLOOOOO; YASS QUEEN, SHAADE.
Those machines aren't out of place - old civilizations with machines, is common theme in most FF games (actually can't think of a single FF game without machines) Garlemald military is almost entirely based on allagh tech. Binding Coil is all machine, alexander is all machine, void ark is all machine, azys is a huge floating mechanical fortress! putting some machine from another FF game, into this FF game, isn't "out of place"

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I don't have a problem with machines being in Final Fantasy games.
It's like you just read the title of the thread saw the dreadnought and pulsework knight and imediately responded thinking I was talking about machines being out of place in Final Fantasy? wtf? o_o I'll give you the tl;dr version

It's where they come from, Final Fantasy XIII and how they're a pretty big deal in that game yet show up in XIV.
Again, Yokai-Watch stuff is purely cosmetic, doesn't mean you have to like it but it's not going to do any harm to the game, Dragon Quest got by fine, Lightning's PSYCOM uniform is fine, hell I think someone pointed out to me that some enemies are also ripped from Star Ocean.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

I don't have a problem with machines being in Final Fantasy games.
It's like you just skim read my post o_o I'll give you the tl;dr version

It's where they come from, Final Fantasy XIII and how they're a pretty big deal in that game yet show up in XIV.

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uhu, it seems you didn't read my post, either.
there's not much difference between machines from different FF games. It would only "seem" out of place, if you played FFXIII, if you didn't, you wouldn't notice. It would feel reeeaaaally out of place, if donald duck themed weps, showed up in GoT....or yokai watch stuff in XIV. I mean you could throw in magitec mounts, from FF6, into 14, and no one would notice....
Edit: or the crystal tower from FF3?
The entire point of FF14, is that it's an homage to ALL FF GAMES, It's a FF MMO, that takes popular stuff from every other FF title.

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Why these two enemies in particular? Because they're strongly ingrained in XIII's lore and are a pretty big deal in the datalogs they have no place in XIV's universe,

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Yeah, it's not like XIII and XIV are at least both games in the same franchise or anything.

I dunno. When I put the Yo-Kai minions next to Wind-Up Garuda, Cid/Minfilia/Thancred/Y'shtola or Wind-Up Succubus, they don't seem particularly out of place. Fits right in, aesthetically.

Weapons look like the next PvP tier. Yeah, I said it! There are so many awkward PvP designs that I'm now associating weirdness with PvP equip.

I don't really get what the big deal is.

The game already has out-of-place, "immersion-breaking" and ridiculous mounts, glamour etc. while minions are usually referred to as toys most of the time, and people would bash over this one because it's apparently not Final Fantasy (when it's a collaboration, mind you).

I'd say the flying spinning turtle, Flying fat Chocobo, Fenrir, Behemoth, Bennu, glowing pony and eagle mounts etc. we have now are more ridiculous than the Whisper mount we're getting. I also see nothing wrong with the glamour weapons and the minions, we already have ridiculously designed weapons existing in the game already.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Yeah, it's not like XIII and XIV are at least both games in the same franchise or anything.

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Yeah, it's not like XIII and XIV are in at least two different universes or anything.
I can shit post too.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Edit: or the crystal tower from FF3?
The entire point of FF14, is that it's an homage to ALL FF GAMES, It's a FF MMO, that takes popular stuff from every other FF title

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Big difference between homage and recycling
Crystal Tower is a homage, XI, XII and XIII enemies are obviously recycled to cut down on cost and are you implying that they recycle because some things are popular with people? Those generic snake enemies from XII are a real hoot with Final Fantasy fans aren't they? And regardless if you recognize an enemy or not is just moving the goal post saying it's okay to do it as long as people don't recognize them.

I am fully aware that XIV is a fan service game btw which is why I think it's weird that people choose a game made for fans as their first FF but that's for another topic.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

...more ridiculous than the Whisper mount we're getting.

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the only thing worse than the whisper mount, would be carrot daggers in Aion. All that kawaii nonsense that shows up in all asian games, makes me gag.
but i agree with you regarding flying spinning turtle, and flying fat chocobo, but they are not anywhere near as bad as whisper.

We have this things sicne beggining. No one says anything abut it. It is werid? Yes. It is bad? Not really.

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/8/b/8b1...20bb0dd394.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hBisJFf.jpg

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...a884c338f9.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/93e227a3...qub3o1_500.jpg

Because this is perfectly normal...

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Big difference between homage and recycling
Crystal Tower is a homage, XI, XII and XIII enemies are obviously recycled to cut down on cost and are you implying that they recycle because some things are popular with people?

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I don't like recycling either, but it doesn't matter if it's homage or recycle, the point is that it's not "out of place" since it's thematically similar, unlike the yokai suff.
If you're talking about Lamia, they have been around for hundreds of years, in mythology, and in games since before FF was invented; it's a common monster in RPG.
Bahamut, Ifrit, Shiva, Moogles, Chocobos, etc, have all been recycled since basically the first FF game, and no one seem to mind - but now we need to complain about these mobs from FF12 or 13? i don't know why they put them here (i guess to cut down on dev time as you said) but it doesn't matter in the context of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Glasya

Also regardless of how you feel about the appearance of Allagan engineering those designs have been cemented as part of the game world, and were created precisely with the intent of appearing extraterrestrial.

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"All these incredibly contrasting sci-fi looking ruins and artefacts everywhere are totally a OK because they are part of the lore, but these easily ignored optional glamour items are totally gonna ruin the game!"

oh the irony

I have no problem with it. Sadly I'm taking my 3 month break from 14 for being bored out of my damned mind for so long waiting for content and I'm going to miss this event. Don't really care much since its only cosmetics which does nothing to the value of my experience with the game itself, so I'd say bring on the plastic decoration stuff :/

As a few others have posted, anyone that cries about immersion being ruined are far too late on that. We already got bikini tanks, roe moogles, gear from several other Final Fantasy games, a King Slime hat from Dragon Quest (or Warrior? Meh both are the same to me), turtles that fly with magical farts, and smacking monsters with moogle styled claws for Monks; Yokai-Watch themed minions and weapons seem the LEAST out of place.


I don't really see this crossover immersion breaking that much considering one can easily say that these trends of the toys and mounts came from another land, similar to how a lot of the seasonal events explain how we get certain things.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I don't like recycling either, but it doesn't matter if it's homage or recycle, the point is that it's not "out of place" since it's thematically similar, unlike the yokai suff.

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Well okay, I do see your point and I do agree with you afterall and I apologize
As for stuff like Shiva and friends I see those more as series staples because their appearance changes after each game fitting in their own universe.
Ifrit has come a long way, looking more demonic and human
http://i.imgur.com/ofnDjOp.png
to more beast like
http://i.imgur.com/KklW8mLl.jpg
Changes like that I don't really see as recycling since each iteration of Ifrit changes itself.

I'm not entirely sure how monsters from another Final Fantasy game breaks your immersion as much as characters from a completely different game line.

Final fantasy has always borrowed and repeated monsters in their games.

Maybe a better comparison can be made else where. Are we going to say Sephirot is heavily ingrained in a previous FF so therefore it breaks your immersion?

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

"All these incredibly contrasting sci-fi looking ruins and artefacts everywhere are totally a OK because they are part of the lore, but these easily ignored optional glamour items are totally gonna ruin the game!"

oh the irony

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The word you're looking for is hypocrisy.
And Allagan technology is at least part of the universe; Allagan objects are subsequently modeled, textured and rendered in a fashion that matches the rest of the game.
The YW stuff is clearly not. They all look like they were made for a completely different game and then half-assedly imported into XIV. I wouldn't be complaining (as much) if any effort at all were spent trying to make them look like objects that could exist in Eorzea, but Level-5 is too busy trying to market to us another shitty media franchise; art style and integrity be damned.

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Yeah, it's not like XIII and XIV are in at least two different universes or anything.

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Still the same franchise. And that's what long-running series tend to do; callbacks and recurring elements.

The consumers practically expect such things. Nobody is going to bat an eye at FF13 machinery being in this game because it's still a Final Fantasy game. It is not the same thing as there being Pokemon or Yokais or whatever in this game, and I have no idea why you seem to think we should think it is.

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I'd say the flying spinning turtle, Flying fat Chocobo, Fenrir, Behemoth, Bennu, glowing pony and eagle mounts etc. we have now are more ridiculous than the Whisper mount we're getting.

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At least most of those are actual Final Fantasy creatures...

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

At least most of those are actual Final Fantasy creatures...

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Because they're Final Fantasy, that's fine? I think magical farting turtles and horses of every color of the rainbow is more immersion breaking than this crossover event.

Wait, people are immersed in XIV?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

At least most of those are actual Final Fantasy creatures...

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Ehh, I'd be okay with them as creatures alone but not as mounts. Like seriously, I though Fenrir and Behemoths were rare and Bennus, Twintania being a mount and the spinning turtle is just ridiculous. The glowing ponies and eagles just bother me being mounts, though.

So many kitty Kat minions. I'm excite

I know that there are many older fans of Yokai Watch but overall, the target market for that game, and therefore the target market of the FFXIV collaboration tie in, is pre-teen. Is SE moving the target market for FFXIV in that direction? If not, what is the purpose of this collaboration, because it is a departure from the current brand identity,

What's next? A Hello Kitty Tie in?