Paladin: Possibilities

[Mrbeansman]

@Mrbeansman:

I'd say from past history, it is absurd to say that Paladin's identity to S-E is irrelevant. I would guess you are the very type of sabermetrics geek who cares little about the things that make each job different--in other words, only numbers matter in the game. S-E, given past actions, appears to disagree or it would not have made such extensive efforts to return White Mage to the top of the healing order. What many of us are saying is that S-E needs to follow suit in the case of Paladin where tanking is concerned. Evasion tanking has its place, but that's called soloing in most cases. Counter-tanking by Monks can hardly be considered tanking in the sense of reducing one's own damage. If not for an alert White Mage, that Monk would not be long for the world no matter how much HP it has.

I stand by my post and repeat that it is necessary for S-E to return Paladins to the top of the tanking order with the same energy as they have done so with White Mage and healing.

Nothing was done that made whm the best the only thing that changed is that we got more hp so cure IV wasn't cutting it anymore. Can you give me on reason that pld should be the best tank that isn't based on what you want? The numbers are all that matters because the numbers are what makes the game go round. Sorry if you don't like it that's just how it is.

[Akujima]

Can you give me one reason that pld should be the best tank that isn't based on what you want?

"Paladin" is a Tank Class (or has the ability to become one) in nearly every single RPG out there.

At this current moment, PLD fails in all 3 aspects: As a Tank as a Healer or as a Melee. Face the facts.

It's not what I want, it just common sense.

[Mrbeansman]

"Paladin" is a Tank Class (or has the ability to become one) in nearly every single RPG out there.

And what of it?

At this current moment, PLD fails in all 3 aspects: As a Tank as a Healer or as a Melee. Face the facts.

I am facing the facts I have been for a long time. You on the other hand need to learn how the game works.

It's not what I want, it just common sense.

It is not common sense to completely overhaul how the game works cause you want an inferior job to be better.

[Hayward]

And what of it?



I am facing the facts I have been for a long time. You on the other hand need to learn how the game works.



It is not common sense to completely overhaul how the game works cause you want an inferior job to be better.

Do you intend to actually contribute something to this thread? You're typing an awful lot of words so far without saying a thing. In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the BlueGartr forum where you can be a d-bag for the sake of being one. If you don't care for the solutions offered here, where are YOUR solutions? Don't bother answering, because you don't have any solutions. My suspicions are that you haven't ever unlocked Paladin and that you benefit from the job's exclusion (you're too much of a coward to list your jobs, so I cannot guess how you benefit).

[Akujima]

If you don't care for the solutions offered here, where are YOUR solutions? Don't bother answering, because you don't have any solutions. My suspicions are that you haven't ever unlocked Paladin and that you benefit from the job's exclusion (you're too much of a coward to list your jobs, so I cannot guess how you benefit).

Can I get an "Amen" brotha.

[Mrbeansman]

Do you intend to actually contribute something to this thread? You're typing an awful lot of words so far without saying a thing. In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the BlueGartr forum where you can be a d-bag for the sake of being one. If you don't care for the solutions offered here, where are YOUR solutions? Don't bother answering, because you don't have any solutions. My suspicions are that you haven't ever unlocked Paladin and that you benefit from the job's exclusion (you're too much of a coward to list your jobs, so I cannot guess how you benefit).

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Quetzalcoatl/Mrbeansman

You seem to think I hate pld and never want it to be viable. If SE can make pld a good tank without breaking other aspects of the game I say go for it. That said the only options to fix pld atm require changing the game around it which should never be an option. A lot of people in this thread seem to feel entitled to take whatever they want from other jobs in the name of making pld "THE" tank job.

PS I'm not trying to be a d-bag I'm trying to be a realist.

[Mrbeansman]

You're typing an awful lot of words so far without saying a thing. In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the BlueGartr forum where you can be a d-bag for the sake of being one.

For anyone making these kinds of post you do know that acting like this is a great way to get shit canned into the alligator fuck house by Isladar right?

[Arcon]

Can you give me on reason that pld should be the best tank that isn't based on what you want? The numbers are all that matters because the numbers are what makes the game go round. Sorry if you don't like it that's just how it is.

That argument is tiring and oh so wrong. Yes, it's how it is. How is that an argument, for anything? Welcome to the tautology club. You just said what you said.

It's about what can be and what should be. Why shouldn't we ask for things to be how we want them? Isn't that the entire purpose of feedback? And SE acted on it too in the past, in fact quite a lot. If players never said anything, they wouldn't have adjusted anything at all. I dare you to point out one update in which they didn't add/fix anything suggested by players.

A reason that isn't based on what I want? Because from a role-playing aspect, a paladin is always a knight that focuses on defense more than offense. In fact, I'll go so far as to say PLD is the only (from a role-playing aspect) defensive class in the game, meant to be able to take damage. To a lesser degree, WAR and MNK would also qualify (not because of Counter or Evasion, but because of Defense/Defender and high HP/VIT/Chakra). And in addition to that, it has lots of native hate tools, even JAs that amplify enmity. Put both those things together and you see that PLD was clearly meant to be a tank. If those things don't make it a good tank, then it's a waste of a job, because that's what it was designed to do. Or do you think that's the intention of SE? To make PLD a town job, because of their shiny armor?

[Akujima]

A reason that isn't based on what I want? Because from a role-playing aspect, a paladin is always a knight that focuses on defense more than offense. In fact, I'll go so far as to say PLD is the only (from a role-playing aspect) defensive class in the game, meant to be able to take damage. To a lesser degree, WAR and MNK would also qualify (not because of Counter or Evasion, but because of Defense/Defender and high HP/VIT/Chakra). And in addition to that, it has lots of native hate tools, even JAs that amplify enmity. Put both those things together and you see that PLD was clearly meant to be a tank. If those things don't make it a good tank, then it's a waste of a job, because that's what it was designed to do. Or do you think that's the intention of SE? To make PLD a town job, because of their shiny armor?

Anyone wanting to put up a "counter-argument" should please, please, PLEASE, read this paragraph over and over and over and over... and over and over... and over and over.

Thank you.

[Sarick]

Anyone wanting to put up a "counter-argument" should please, please, PLEASE, read this paragraph over and over and over and over... and over and over... and over and over.

Thank you.

Something to think about.

I once heard a saying that stated. "Sometimes the best defense is a good offense"

This is what makes monks counter tanking effective. With counterbash added or reprisal modified this might comply with the wise wisdom I quoted above. Even a job meant for taking damage and abuse should be allowed to utilize offensive damage mitigation. It's just common sense.

Take a for example, warships carry phalanx cannons to destroy incoming rockets before they hit. This is what phalanx really is as well but damage isn't reflected it's countered with a null effect. Reprisal in my book is just a form of a reactive armor added to the shield. To bad it doesn't last very long and has a relatively long recast.