Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Runespider]

Do you think they realised just how easy they made emps to get, and with that do you think they will be unable to upgrade them beyond 90?

When you actually bash out an Emp it's amazing just how quick and easy they are and quite how powerful they are with it. Not hard to cap one in a week and they are literally everywhere now, to the point of being common.

When you finish a relic and see how minor an upgrade they always were and for such a massive time investment it's kinda boggling how they did Emps.

Anyone else think they misjudged how easy they made them? It's hard to balance a game where they have weapons that are so powerful and so easy to get.

[Karbuncle]

I think Empyreans were suppose to be a easier-to-obtain goal as compared to Mythic/Relics. I think they were suppose to be the "Casual" Mythic/Relics.

What i don't think they knew would happen is the WS's being so powerful it completely obsoletes relics/mythics on most jobs.

Which is why they're adjusting the power of Relic/Mythics, not adjusting how to obtain Empyreans.

[Mirage]

I think they knew how strong they were gonna be, yeah.

And I'm pretty sure relic weapons weren't a small increase in power form normal weapons, at least not when relics were introduced. The problem was however that relics for a long time put a "soft cap" on how fast and how big the "power creep" in the rest of the game could be. Until they finally realized that was a bad idea and introduced empyrean weapons anyway.

[Eeek]

I only have a WoE Empyrean, and I still don't mind that they're so 'easy' to make. These weapons still take time, effort, and friends to upgrade all the way to 90. Empyreans are accessible. They do not require a player to be filthy rich or play FFXI 80 hours a week.

I vastly prefer this way of making top-of-the-line weapons as opposed to the absolute BS that are the Relic and Mythic quests.

[Olor]

I only have a WoE Empyrean, and I still don't mind that they're so 'easy' to make. These weapons still take time, effort, and friends to upgrade all the way to 90. Empyreans are accessible. They do not require a player to be filthy rich or play FFXI 80 hours a week.

I vastly prefer this way of making top-of-the-line weapons as opposed to the absolute BS that are the Relic and Mythic quests.

This so hard.

And enough with the "finished in a week" crap. Ok, so you play a lot and have a lot of friends that play alot, and you already have excellent gear and know how to do all this stuff. Yeah, then you can finish in a week.

The majority of the playerbase isn't in the same situation. I don't think anyone in my LS has an Emp weapon.

[Aliekber]

This so hard.

And enough with the "finished in a week" crap. Ok, so you play a lot and have a lot of friends that play alot, and you already have excellent gear and know how to do all this stuff. Yeah, then you can finish in a week.

The majority of the playerbase isn't in the same situation. I don't think anyone in my LS has an Emp weapon.

This. I just got my 80 Kannagi yesterday--took me about a month to do it, grinding out a lot of it solo/duo. It will probably be several months until I get the 85. By the time I get the 90, I expect to have put about 8 months of effort into it, which isn't unreasonable for a weapon of its caliber.

What the complaining people aren't getting is that the linkshells that are cranking out a new 90 Emp every week are the same sort of linkshells that would use their banks to buy most of a relic from nothing to complete in a week or two (depending on Attestation, etc.) using the gil they got mercing drops. To the rest of us (i.e. people not in that kind of shell), Emps are much closer in difficulty (still not there, but a lot closer), just without the gil requirement. The requirements for Mythics were always retardedly high for what they give, which is why there are so few of them even today.

If any magian weapons need to be adjusted, it's the Fire/Light elemental line, anyway.

[Dart]

This. I just got my 80 Kannagi yesterday--took me about a month to do it, grinding out a lot of it solo/duo. It will probably be several months until I get the 85. By the time I get the 90, I expect to have put about 8 months of effort into it, which isn't unreasonable for a weapon of its caliber.

What the complaining people aren't getting is that the linkshells that are cranking out a new 90 Emp every week are the same sort of linkshells that would use their banks to buy most of a relic from nothing to complete in a week or two (depending on Attestation, etc.) using the gil they got mercing drops. To the rest of us (i.e. people not in that kind of shell), Emps are much closer in difficulty (still not there, but a lot closer), just without the gil requirement. The requirements for Mythics were always retardedly high for what they give, which is why there are so few of them even today.

If any magian weapons need to be adjusted, it's the Fire/Light elemental line, anyway.

your tears are delicious. I joined some RL friend since I came back who never did kings/merc'd drops or anything like that. (they were always a sea, limbus, dynamis shell) I've been back for 6 weeks now and after helping to organize them we're currently working on empy # 8 and 9. They all have fulltime jobs and the like. Get organized, do some research and actually help each other. There's no reason why you cannot get 6-7 friends together and get everyone an empy and just zerg everything for 4-5 hours during the weekday after work and go a little harder on the weekends.

[Runespider]

This has always interested me. In an MMORPG, what does constitute "hard"?

For me, mobs that are actually so difficult or heck even unfair to fight that you have to be competent to kill and even then have a chance of failure, also yes time is a difficulty because it will scare off some. Emp NM's are a joke, take very little skill or competence to kill and can be finished in a small amount of time.

I finished a kanagi for my sister a few months back just so she could have a toy to mess around with. If she had asked me to get her a relic or a mythic I would of simply laughed but the time and effort was so minimal that I did it for her, that's the ease of Emps.

[Leonlionheart]

If they were to do relics and mythics justice in comparison to the difficulty of making empyreans, I would say mythic WS's should do about 6x as much as empyreans, and relics maybe 4x's. Or at least have better utility.

But I would accept mythics or relics being just a small upgrade, as long as they were the best.

Right now however nothing really seems to come close to empyreans, besides the infamous Ryunohige. Ragnarok might have a chance, but compared to Caladbolg, I doubt it.

[Mirage]

If they were to do relics and mythics justice in comparison to the difficulty of making empyreans, I would say mythic WS's should do about 6x as much as empyreans, and relics maybe 4x's. Or at least have better utility.

But I would accept mythics or relics being just a small upgrade, as long as they were the best.

Right now however nothing really seems to come close to empyreans, besides the infamous Ryunohige. Ragnarok might have a chance, but compared to Caladbolg, I doubt it.

I'm of the impression that it's normal that things get progressively harder (read: time consuming) to get compared to the power of the item. That's also pretty similar to how it works in the real world, for example when buying a computer or other fancy devices. The more "cutting edge" something is, the less bang for the buck you get. In a game where you have rare/ex items, your buck is of course time invested.

I don't know about you guys, but I think it would be ridiculous if an new greataxe was implemented which was exactly twice as strong as ukonvasara in every aspect, would only take twice the time to complete.