Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Tsuneo]

I don't even think you know what you're talking about anymore. When exactly did I say anything about Empyreans? Did you actually ready any of my posts? I don't even know what point you're trying to argue because of lack of consistency. You said SE never said they were making relics easier to obtain, and I provided information to prove otherwise.

[Atomic_Skull]

I don't even think you know what you're talking about anymore. When exactly did I say anything about Empyreans? Did you actually ready any of my posts? I don't even know what point you're trying to argue because of lack of consistency. You said SE never said they were making relics easier to obtain, and I provided information to prove otherwise.

You didn't prove anything though. You edited out a sentence in the original post to change it's meaning.

[Tsuneo]

You didn't prove anything though. You edited out a sentence in the original post to change it's meaning.

I proved that they did say they were making relics easier to obtain. I never said anything about Mythics. I only proved you wrong in claiming that they never said they were making relics easier. Good job trying to put words in my mouth.

[Atomic_Skull]

I proved that they did say they were making relics easier to obtain. I never said anything about Mythics. I only proved you wrong in claiming that they never said they were making relics easier. Good job trying to put words in my mouth.

How exactly did you prove this?

[Runespider]

Also, Lol@ Empyreans are fine as 85 weapons lol. Yes, They're good at 85, but my level 99 you're going to lose a lot of damage by keeping it 85. Probably 10~30 base Damage depending on the weapon itself, or more. This will really hurt h2h more than anything I'd think though.

85>90 right now isn't worth the upgrade time unless you're really anal about it, minor upgrade really. Difference between an 85 and 90 emp is marginal. If your only concern is at 99 then a) you don't know if emps will even go past 90 and b) if you care enough you can kill or even brew 1-2 NM every few days and have it done by the time 99 come around anyway.

[Arlan]

Compared to Relics and mythics, yes, Your right, they are easyer to obtain and are much powerful than previous armor/weapons.

But, I think the gear in general for AF3+1, in my experience, isn't that UBER even tho it is the most Uber thing so far in ffxi. They most likely going to add MORE stats for the future lvl99 gear. I think what we think is uber today, wont be so uber the next few major updates for lvl99.

Also, the rate you obtain your AF3+1 and the base is pretty decent in my opinion.
You can get your seals by forming ur own pt, and then killing NMs that drop it.
So ya, I like it. I think its pretty decent rate to obtain and earn your armor.
Specially for those who have lives and still love to game!

I think what I really like about the AF3s are the facts that they are equipments that you earn, Not equipments that you can just buy with gilz to upgrade.

I enjoy killing NMs with friends and LS mates. So I think its fun for a change.

[Catsby]

My only problem with empyrean weapons is that it's so mindless to produce one and that the upgrade progression is backwards.

With Relic weapons each upgrade was harder and harder for your wallet and for the countless people helping you (directly and indirectly). The weapon itself also gradually got stronger as you upgraded, maybe not at the rate it should have but it still was a noticeble boost between upgrades.

Mythic weapons had probably the best upgrade system (hear me out for a second before you hit post quick reply). Instead of mindlessly grinding a single event for months maybe years you were required to experience pretty much everything that ToAU had to offer. I realize that there is plenty of grinding involved there too but take a high level look at everything required before you look deeper at the numbers involved;

Reach floor 100 of nyzul isle
Reach Captain mercenary rank
Clear Odin's chamber
Kill all the beastman leaders
Clear all 4 remnants areas
Collect rare drops from upper tier ZNMs
All the other quests involved

These events themselves took a long time to complete even if you had some of them knocked out before mythics were even introduced. They were also reasonably difficult enough to justify a sweet item after you clear it all ( before you even add in the bullshit requirements like alexandrite, eyepatches and assault ledgers). Going from mythics to empyreans seemed like the developers learned absolutely nothing or just simply doubted that abyssea would be as popular as it was.

In my opinion building an empyrean weapon would be more exciting and would leave less people feeling butthurt if there was a series of requirements similar to mythics. For example a quest chain that requires the player to defeat all the zone bosses, defeat all the caturae, defeat shinryu, turn in X different abyssites and atmas (they are temp key items remember), score a certain number of points in dominion and bastion, use a primeval brew and complete all the quests. You know, requirements that show you did pretty much everything that the add-ons had to offer and in the end you get a nice shiny weapon for it.

edit: also the upgrade progression for empyreans is dumb. it goes from weak and worthless to weak and worthless all the way until you get it to 85. Then the upgrade after that is completely unreasonable for the requirements.

[Kimble]

Mythics would have been fine if they alex cost was A LOT lower or just removed totally. Relics would have been better if maybe currency was dealt with like cruor and given universally to everyone that entered.

[Shoko]

If Mythics costed like 5k in Alex, that alone would be epic. But with today's terms they could cut the costs of ampoules and nyzul credits as well and it would justify upgrading one.

Speaking of Relics, I just have this feeling that they will be crazy easy to obtain soon for some reason.

[Yinnyth]

I agree with you partially, Catsby, but you're cherry-picking the mythic quests. The pre-requisite quests were indeed beautifully done for mythics, and to be fair, I'm glad they're there. I don't want some newb who's never seen Odin getting an ultimate weapon. But those are just pre-requisites. You do them once, then you never have to do them again no matter how many mythics you make. Just like how getting to level 75 is a pre-requisite for wielding one. The real portion of the mythic is the grind. 50 assaults redone (reasonable), Wyrmseeker Areuhaut (mostly reasonable), Balrahn's Eyepatch (slightly reasonable), 3 ZNM trophies (only unreasonable because the zeni system is retarded), 30,000 alexandrite (100% unreasonable BS).

That's what it boils down to. You have to look at what is actually preventing people from completing the weapon. For relics, it's currency. For mythics, it's alexandrite. For empyreans, it's... crowded zones. Ok, I kid- it's the abyssea NM drops. That is what the majority of time is spent on for these weapons. That is what people think of when they think of getting these weapons.