Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Tsuneo]

I'm sure after the update relic owners will feel even more slighted. We will probably be hearing "relics are too easy to get now". Regardless of what happens relic owners are gonna feel like they got the short end of the stick.

[Karbuncle]

I'm sure after the update relic owners will feel even more slighted. We will probably be hearing "relics are too easy to get now".

And i'll be using my Mandau to surf on their wave of tears :3

[Alukat]

And i'll be using my Mandau to surf on their wave of tears :3

me too ^^

rudra's storm (emp): 60% dex mod, tp multiplier 100%: 3.25, 60s weight, occ. double dmg.
mercy stroke (relic): 60% str mod, tp multiplier 100%: 3.00, 30 sec crit rate bonus.
mandalic stab (myth): 30% dex mod, tp multiplier 100%: 2.00, multiplies att by 1.66,
100%tp: acc+10, 180 sec
200%tp: acc+ & att+20,180 sec
300%tp: occ twice attacks, occ. double damage dmg, 120 sec

dmg output order (high>low): emp > relic > myth
difficulty/time to obtain (hard > easy): myth > relic > emp

usually the most difficult/time consuming weapon should have the highest dmg output.

ninja edit: but we'll se how they perform after next update, with the new crit dmg calculation.

[Karbuncle]

me too ^^

rudra's storm (emp): 60% dex mod, tp multiplier 100%: 3.25, 60s weight, occ. double dmg.
mercy stroke (relic): 60% str mod, tp multiplier 100%: 3.00, 30 sec crit rate bonus.
mandalic stab (myth): 30% dex mod, tp multiplier 100%: 2.00, multiplies att by 1.66,
100%tp: acc+10, 180 sec
200%tp: acc+ & att+20,180 sec
300%tp: occ twice attacks, occ. double damage dmg, 120 sec

dmg output order (high>low): emp > relic > myth
difficulty/time to obtain (hard > easy): myth > relic > emp

usually the most difficult/time consuming weapon should have the highest dmg output.

ninja edit: but we'll se how they perform after next update, with the new crit dmg calculation.

is that 3.0 the new ftp mod for the 90 Emps? Im pretty sure there was mention of level 90 Relic WSs getting a boost.

Wonder if they'll get another in the future :O

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For a 20 min picture, that looks really awesome lol , I can't draw even half that good.

[wish12oz]

ninja edit: but we'll see how they perform after next update, with the new crit dmg calculation.

You mean the VIT/crit damage update that doesn't apply to players attacking mobs?

[Karbuncle]

You mean the VIT/crit damage update that doesn't apply to players attacking mobs?

^ A rep mentioned the VIT update will only effect Players, not enemies!

We're in the clear there =3

[Alukat]

You mean the VIT/crit damage update that doesn't apply to players attacking mobs?

i got it wrong?

@ karbuncle i used wiki at source, could be that i missed the memo with ftp mod change on 90 relic.

[hiko]

I think SE also underestimated effect of 3atmas/cruor buff/200k brews on players

[Karbuncle]

i got it wrong?

@ karbuncle i used wiki at source, could be that i missed the memo with ftp mod change on 90 relic.

Hmmm, I dunno if WIki is updated on that lol D:

I Know there were updates to the strength of Relic Weaponskills on a 90 Relic weapon though :O

[Byrth]

Relics have +25% damage to their WSs at 90.
Mythics have +15% damage to their WSs at 90.

Rudra's Storm looks good, but it's shitty in comparison to other Empyrean WSs and would be the lowest damage Empyrean WS if there was no SA/TA. 4.25 fTP (inc offhand) -> 7.25 fTP (inc offhand), but you can only force the first hit to crit still. This fTP level would make it better than Dancing Edge outside Abyssea, but not mind-crushingly so.

6.1875 fTP, 30% DEX, 40% CHR
vs.
7.25 fTP, 60% DEX

SE divides dagger WSs into four categories, the first two of which are important:
1) Designed for a crit-forcing JA like SA, TA, or SF (Shark Bite, Viper Bite, Mandalic Stab, Mercy Stroke, Rudra's Storm)
2) Designed to be unstacked (Dancing Edge, Evisceration)
3) Magic WSs, perhaps a nod to Red mage and Bard (Energy Drain/Steal, Gust Slash/Cyclone/Aeolian Edge)
4) Low level WSs that are so bad people use E skills to avoid them. (Shadowstitch, Wasp Sting)

To make a WS fall into both the first and the second category, all you'd need to do is give it a respectable first-hit fTP and enough extra hits that the total WS fTP is respectable. Like adding three hits to Rudra's.