Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[kingfury]

Your semi decent idea got reconitition from the community team. Now idiots are coming out of the woodwork and spewing absolute shit in attempt to gain that same success. And in all of this you continue to get fat headed and arrogant from this success.
Also Artist and Arrogance go hand and hand.

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Well, that's just silly talk to pin that on me. I wasn't told that my suggestion was being worked after all, I just got positive feedback for it.

There's a lot of things I would like to be fix/improved in this game, so I'm not short on suggestions if that's what you equate to "continue to get fat headed and arrogant". Can't help you in this department either I'm afraid.

Don't know where you got that understanding from about the artist & arrogance thing, but personality traits are choices for each person. I choose to not be Arrogant with my art. Everything else from onlookers is assumed and fabricated.

[kingfury]

The thing is, though, that this suggestion specifically does not lead to improvements for all weapon skills, for the domain of this suggestion is completely limited to the "Break" line of Great Axe weapon skills. So your flimsy "what if?" defense doesn't exactly hold water. "What if" I tried to solve world hunger, but ended up curing cancer instead? That'd be pretty awesome, if rather unexpected, but that doesn't mean I'm going to try selling food plans to medicine companies "just in case" it happens.

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Ughh, c'mon man, stay with me here ><;

When I say "What if this suggestion leads to improvements for all enfeebling ws's", I mean the possible Adjustments to GA's Break ws's could lead to a reworking of all enfeebling ws's on every other weapon in-game.

To adjust your analogy a bit:

What if you changed how Watermelons are grown? If you changed how fast they grow and how large they end up. You could possibly mirror that change to every other vegetable or earth grown food. Thus improve the issue of world hunger on a large scale.

[kingfury]

...what.....?
Assumption? Where?

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Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You said, "Why would GA "Get" enfeebling weapon skills... so that kinda threw me off. I saw the latter part of the line, but the 1st part flagged as you assumed I was asking for something that wasn't already there. My main issue is that they really are not that "potent" as they are now. The post calls for a reworking of the way the ws's effects are calculated. And the recent post above this one is saying that if this suggestion is considered, it could open the flood gates to improving weapon wide enfeebling ws's all around.

[kingfury]

anyways some ideas I can come up with:
stop with the partal resist or resist effects, i mean you are using tp, but that brings in the question should flat blade stun thunder immune/ stun immune mobs? I mean you are using a weak weapon type/ weak ws/ to use 100 tp for a critial difference. same with brake effects though I am not sur what mobs are immune to them
same with full brake or any of the brake ws, skill should be a factor in the increasing levels for it's effect. I disagree with them going out of use.
even when c-ratio is caped would it be REALLY harmful to add 5-10% damage + effect to everyone? so you can warrent using tp on such effect over raw damage ws?

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Sorry Rambus, I read this and meant to say, /Agreed

[Zyeriis]

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Uhhh... this line /point >>

Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You said, "Why would GA "Get" enfeebling weapon skills... so that kinda threw me off. I saw the latter part of the line, but the 1st part flagged as you assumed I was asking for something that wasn't already there. My main issue is that they really are not that "potent" as they are now. The post calls for a reworking of the way the ws's effects are calculated. And the recent post above this one is saying that if this suggestion is considered, it could open the flood gates to improving weapon wide enfeebling ws's all around.

That's called nitpicking :/
Just because no one uses it, doesn't mean it's not potent as it is. The main problem is player preference, which isn't so easy to change. Also, what other enfeebling weaponskills? I again refer back to my first post where I mentioned the utter lack of enfeebling weaponskills on other weapon types (that WAR can use) such as Polearms, Clubs, Swords, Staves, and Great Swords. You can't boost what's not there.

The primary weapons that get enfeebling weapon skills are the Great Katana (#1 enfeebling weapon), Katana, and Scythe (WAR can use scythe). The very few weapons that WAR cannot use are generally the top enfeebling weapons. So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM? I will say this one last time, they need to give enfeebling weapons to other weapon types before giving new ones OR boosting current enfeebling weaponskills on the Great Axe. I fail to see how this does not also benefit WAR, being as it would be able to use the aforementioned addition of enfeebling weapon skills to other weapon types because it can use said weapons.

For now, SAM is the true weaponskill enfeebling job and I truly wouldn't have it any other way, especially not if it goes to WAR primarily. You cannot boost what's not there (other weapons).

[kingfury]

That's called nitpicking :/
Just because no one uses it, doesn't mean it's not potent as it is. The main problem is player preference, which isn't so easy to change. Also, what other enfeebling weaponskills? I again refer back to my first post where I mentioned the utter lack of enfeebling weaponskills on other weapon types (that WAR can use) such as Polearms, Clubs, Swords, Staves, and Great Swords. You can't boost what's not there.
The primary weapons that get enfeebling weapon skills are the Great Katana (#1 enfeebling weapon), Katana, and Scythe (WAR can use scythe). The very few weapons that WAR cannot use are generally the top enfeebling weapons. So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM? I will say this one last time, they need to give enfeebling weapons to other weapon types before giving new ones OR boosting current enfeebling weaponskills on the Great Axe. I fail to see how this does not also benefit WAR, being as it would be able to use the aforementioned addition of enfeebling weapon skills to other weapon types because it can use said weapons.
For now, SAM is the true weaponskill enfeebling job and I truly wouldn't have it any other way, especially not if it goes to WAR primarily. You cannot boost what's not there (other weapons).

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lol (*joking tone here*) No, it's called "reading and comprehension" ^^ I'm reading what you plugged in and responding! But I think I get the gist of what you're saying

For starters, I've used Full Break over the years as stated in the OP, and I'm sure that the ws is lacking in relevant potency for the user at least. To your list of enfeebling weapons, the ones you mention are the ones I'm referring to. Shockwave was brought up earlier in this thread for example, and to this very day, the description of that ws is about as misleading as a manthra. These types of ws's could indeed use some recalculation love along with Full Break.

"So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM?"


I'm simply saying that the GA, based on Weapon Break, Shield Break, Armor Break and Full Break, classifies it as an enfeebling weapon. My suggestion to the Dev Team is to enhance the effectiveness of these ws's so they could be further defined during use. I agree that SAM does in fact hold the current title in the area of enfeebling ws's, so no argument there. And if you didn't know, I'm VERY for adding to the ws list of WARs /laugh (especially if Noodles is reading *that's a joke*)

So we're really on the same page I think.

[Mrbeansman]

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Well, that's just silly talk to pin that on me. I wasn't told that my suggestion was being worked after all, I just got positive feedback for it.

You're thread encouraged said shit so you defiently share some of the blame even if it wasn't your intenion.

There's a lot of things I would like to be fix/improved in this game, so I'm not short on suggestions if that's what you equate to "continue to get fat headed and arrogant". Can't help you in this department either I'm afraid.

You made a thread saying "Hai Guys this content that's been planned for months is totally my idea from a week ago" If thats not being fat headed I don't know what is.

Don't know where you got that understanding from about the artist & arrogance thing, but personality traits are choices for each person. I choose to not be Arrogant with my art. Everything else from onlookers is assumed and fabricated.

I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing.

[kingfury]

Say what'sits?! So any idea that sparks the interest of the Comm. Reps equates to promoting crappy threads eh? All righty then... can't say I share your thoughts on that, but good try.

"You made a thread saying "Hai Guys this content that's been planned for months is totally my idea from a week ago" If thats not being fat headed I don't know what is."

Metaphorical or Satirical tone here(maybe both) I'm assuming. If you're referring to the Gyms concept I suggested, I'm sure the Comm. Rep would have said something a bit different along the lines of "The Dev Team is currently planning etc., etc." rather than, "this is a good idea. I'll pass it on to the Devs".

I would equate Arrogance as a negative personality trait personally, but if that's your bag, I say run with it.

[Mrbeansman]

Say what'sits?! So any idea that sparks the interest of the Comm. Reps equates to promoting crappy threads eh? All righty then... can't say I share your thoughts on that, but good try.

There's a diffrence between suggesting ideas to fix things and make the game better and people like you who suggest totally new content that has a 99.99999999999999% chance of not being implemented. Even though your idea was decent you still encouraged a lot of terrible shit that was spewed by idiots across the forums with the intent to copy your success.

I would equate Arrogance as a negative personality trait personally, but if that's your bag, I say run with it.

Arrogance can spawn good art.

[Zyeriis]

King is a tad arrogant about it but, still. You're argument is that he somehow caused nonsense ideas to start spreading like wildfire? Hardly, those people still would've posted, there is no proof to say otherwise. Considering that you, yourself, have started 2 such topics, you hardly have any room to complain. "Store EXP"? Really? As if people not learning their jobs properly due to Abyssea leeching, is bad enough as it is. Course, it was likely a troll idea, wouldn't be surprised when you turn around and start flaming some one because they actually got some praise for an idea from the development staff.

That being said, I don't particularly find that "Gyms of Vana'diel" idea to be feasible to say the least. The game would become far too centered around it. Alas, that is completely off-topic as is your argument with king. Sounds to me like you're just trying to start a fight where there isn't one to be had (blatantly obvious) due to either A) Jealousy or B) Trolls will be Trolls.

Anyone who gets credit for an idea, is naturally bound to "inspire" other people to try. There isn't an argument here, but you are somehow trying to pin some of the lousy ideas (like your own) on king just because he possibly could've been the inspiration behind them. Arrogance can spawn good art and a Bad idea can spawn a Good one and vice versa: Good art can spawn arrogance and a Good Idea can spawn a Bad Idea. (Good can spawn good or bad, and Bad can spawn bad or good).

In the end, I assure you, bad ideas would still be posted regardless.