Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[kingfury]

If I may echo the point of everybody else in this thread, Great Axes quite simply don't need any more power, at least, not for the time being. I can understand a buff route vs. nerf route in terms of game balance, but the way you handle the buff route is you start from the least powerful, and then work them up. As it stands right now, Great Axes (and by extension Warriors in general) are far from the least powerful, and should therefore be taking a moment to sit back on their laurels while they're there, not asking for even more.
To be frank, S-E has been taking the buff route for the past five years now, anyway, and only now are we maybe seeing a nerf that many players are already crying foul over (the Critical Hit thing)!

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There, I can commend you for voicing your opinion based on the topic at hand! Thank you. /clap

I can't say that I agree with you of course ^^ but Thanks for taking the time to voice feedback. / Again, what if this suggestion leads to improvements on all Weapon skills? Wouldn't that be something that everyone could /cheer about? Try not to let current job comparisons cloud the possible improvements for all. I say fix all enfeebling ws ^^/

[Zyeriis]

>_>; Guess I was ignored for this pointless argument about humility.

Still, WAR really doesn't need a buff weaponskill wise, it especially does not need more powerful enfeebling weapon skills when so many other weapons and their skills are completely lacking in that department. You should learn to compromise with adding enfeebling weapon skills to other weapons besides Great Axe, kingfury because, as I've already stated, Warrior can already use practically every weapon in the game. Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You can argue that you're open minded but you're entire OP idea's basis is about WAR and Great Axe weaponskills getting a boost.

[kingfury]

>_>; Guess I was ignored for this pointless argument about humility.
Still, WAR really doesn't need a buff weaponskill wise, it especially does not need more powerful enfeebling weapon skills when so many other weapons and their skills are completely lacking in that department. You should learn to compromise with adding enfeebling weapon skills to other weapons besides Great Axe, kingfury because, as I've already stated, Warrior can already use practically every weapon in the game. Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?
You can argue that you're open minded but you're entire OP idea's basis is about WAR and Great Axe weaponskills getting a boost.

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No, no, no! You assume I'm asking for improvements to something that isn't already there Zyeriis! /Check the GA ws list again, these ws's define what a GA already is: An enfeebling + DD'ing weapon. My entire OP idea is improving the enfeebling portion of GA's ws functionality as we move forward to higher levels.

[Zyeriis]

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No, no, no! You assume I'm asking for improvements to something that isn't already there Zyeriis! /Check the GA ws list again, these ws's define what a GA already is: An enfeebling + DD'ing weapon. My entire OP idea is improving the enfeebling portion of GA's ws functionality as we move forward to higher levels.

...what.....?

>_>; Guess I was ignored for this pointless argument about humility.

Still, WAR really doesn't need a buff weaponskill wise, it especially does not need more powerful enfeebling weapon skills when so many other weapons and their skills are completely lacking in that department. You should learn to compromise with adding enfeebling weapon skills to other weapons besides Great Axe, kingfury because, as I've already stated, Warrior can already use practically every weapon in the game. Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You can argue that you're open minded but you're entire OP idea's basis is about WAR and Great Axe weaponskills getting a boost.

Assumption? Where?

[kingfury]

...what.....?
Assumption? Where?

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Uhhh... this line /point >>

Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You said, "Why would GA "Get" enfeebling weapon skills... so that kinda threw me off. I saw the latter part of the line, but the 1st part flagged as you assumed I was asking for something that wasn't already there. My main issue is that they really are not that "potent" as they are now. The post calls for a reworking of the way the ws's effects are calculated. And the recent post above this one is saying that if this suggestion is considered, it could open the flood gates to improving weapon wide enfeebling ws's all around.

[Zyeriis]

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Uhhh... this line /point >>

Why would it's practically exclusive weapon (aside from DRK being able to use it) get enfeebling weapon skills or buffs to it's already potent enfeebling weapon skills?

You said, "Why would GA "Get" enfeebling weapon skills... so that kinda threw me off. I saw the latter part of the line, but the 1st part flagged as you assumed I was asking for something that wasn't already there. My main issue is that they really are not that "potent" as they are now. The post calls for a reworking of the way the ws's effects are calculated. And the recent post above this one is saying that if this suggestion is considered, it could open the flood gates to improving weapon wide enfeebling ws's all around.

That's called nitpicking :/
Just because no one uses it, doesn't mean it's not potent as it is. The main problem is player preference, which isn't so easy to change. Also, what other enfeebling weaponskills? I again refer back to my first post where I mentioned the utter lack of enfeebling weaponskills on other weapon types (that WAR can use) such as Polearms, Clubs, Swords, Staves, and Great Swords. You can't boost what's not there.

The primary weapons that get enfeebling weapon skills are the Great Katana (#1 enfeebling weapon), Katana, and Scythe (WAR can use scythe). The very few weapons that WAR cannot use are generally the top enfeebling weapons. So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM? I will say this one last time, they need to give enfeebling weapons to other weapon types before giving new ones OR boosting current enfeebling weaponskills on the Great Axe. I fail to see how this does not also benefit WAR, being as it would be able to use the aforementioned addition of enfeebling weapon skills to other weapon types because it can use said weapons.

For now, SAM is the true weaponskill enfeebling job and I truly wouldn't have it any other way, especially not if it goes to WAR primarily. You cannot boost what's not there (other weapons).

[kingfury]

That's called nitpicking :/
Just because no one uses it, doesn't mean it's not potent as it is. The main problem is player preference, which isn't so easy to change. Also, what other enfeebling weaponskills? I again refer back to my first post where I mentioned the utter lack of enfeebling weaponskills on other weapon types (that WAR can use) such as Polearms, Clubs, Swords, Staves, and Great Swords. You can't boost what's not there.
The primary weapons that get enfeebling weapon skills are the Great Katana (#1 enfeebling weapon), Katana, and Scythe (WAR can use scythe). The very few weapons that WAR cannot use are generally the top enfeebling weapons. So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM? I will say this one last time, they need to give enfeebling weapons to other weapon types before giving new ones OR boosting current enfeebling weaponskills on the Great Axe. I fail to see how this does not also benefit WAR, being as it would be able to use the aforementioned addition of enfeebling weapon skills to other weapon types because it can use said weapons.
For now, SAM is the true weaponskill enfeebling job and I truly wouldn't have it any other way, especially not if it goes to WAR primarily. You cannot boost what's not there (other weapons).

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lol (*joking tone here*) No, it's called "reading and comprehension" ^^ I'm reading what you plugged in and responding! But I think I get the gist of what you're saying

For starters, I've used Full Break over the years as stated in the OP, and I'm sure that the ws is lacking in relevant potency for the user at least. To your list of enfeebling weapons, the ones you mention are the ones I'm referring to. Shockwave was brought up earlier in this thread for example, and to this very day, the description of that ws is about as misleading as a manthra. These types of ws's could indeed use some recalculation love along with Full Break.

"So why then do you equate WAR to being an enfeebling weapon skiller when it's far clearer that title belongs to SAM?"


I'm simply saying that the GA, based on Weapon Break, Shield Break, Armor Break and Full Break, classifies it as an enfeebling weapon. My suggestion to the Dev Team is to enhance the effectiveness of these ws's so they could be further defined during use. I agree that SAM does in fact hold the current title in the area of enfeebling ws's, so no argument there. And if you didn't know, I'm VERY for adding to the ws list of WARs /laugh (especially if Noodles is reading *that's a joke*)

So we're really on the same page I think.

[TybudX]

I wasn't calling you a douche bag, it's just the impression I get every time I see your sig.

As for making the effects more visible, it's just not feasible, at least not in the way you want it to be. The effects are already potent enough that anybody who can benefit fully from them will see a marked improvement. Adding 20% to your hit rate or 20% to evasion is huge, same with defense down and attack down. If you are paying attention to it you can see it just as clear as a log parser, it would just require that your attention be on aspects of the game that aren't necessarily important at a time like that. It's usually better to parse the effect and adjust your strategy after the fact. It's also usually better to use a solid strategy with proper buffs than it is to use a break WS, at least with the current state of end game.

[kingfury]

I wasn't calling you a douche bag, it's just the impression I get every time I see your sig.
As for making the effects more visible, it's just not feasible, at least not in the way you want it to be. The effects are already potent enough that anybody who can benefit fully from them will see a marked improvement. Adding 20% to your hit rate or 20% to evasion is huge, same with defense down and attack down. If you are paying attention to it you can see it just as clear as a log parser, it would just require that your attention be on aspects of the game that aren't necessarily important at a time like that. It's usually better to parse the effect and adjust your strategy after the fact. It's also usually better to use a solid strategy with proper buffs than it is to use a break WS, at least with the current state of end game.

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My point is, I don't see why you would get that impression Tybud. If I had created the art prior to creating the Gyms of Vana'diel post, the art would have still been there. It was created here on this very Forum, and therefore has the most meaning here to me and anyone who might see it. Posting Artwork doesn't instantly equate to "Self-Arrogance" or "Boasting", but rather is a way to show that you're proud of your work and would like to share it with others. If I create another concept elsewhere that has relevance there and is paired with artwork, I would do the same there. But in any case, we can drop that whole subject now I think. END

Well I agree for certain things 20% can be seen very noticeably like movement speed such (cause that's like night and day), but it doesn't run true for everything. -20% for -PDT is poop, and you can see that it is very clearly since you still take heavy damage. On the other hand, +20% Critical hit rate for some reason is very noticeable, since Critical hits are vastly more powerful than stander melee hits. The problem here is how things are wired behind the scenes, and that unless you have those nifty 3rd party programs, you're stuck like chuck wondering "WTH!"

If the Break WS's listed on GA's were more potent, they would absolutely be apart of my game strategy for ever more! Everything from tanking, to DD'ing, to NM hunting, and more. I'm glad you added that last line, "at least with the current state of end game" because that's exactly my point I'm trying to make with this suggestion; I've tested my ws's over the years relentlessly through actual trial and error, but some things are set in-game to just be weak. Unless there is post that flag these types of systems, nothing will ever be done about their possible improvements.

[Tamarsamar]

The thing is, though, that this suggestion specifically does not lead to improvements for all weapon skills, for the domain of this suggestion is completely limited to the "Break" line of Great Axe weapon skills. So your flimsy "what if?" defense doesn't exactly hold water. "What if" I tried to solve world hunger, but ended up curing cancer instead? That'd be pretty awesome, if rather unexpected, but that doesn't mean I'm going to try selling food plans to medicine companies "just in case" it happens.