A Ninja without Throwing...

[Greatguardian]

Number crunchers? Boner? Anecdotal data?

That's not how it works, bro. Any number cruncher worth half a salt can already determine your minimum, maximum, and average damage against any given target with Shuriken. More importantly, they can determine your damage over time. You're really not presenting anything we don't already know. Shuriken are still crap damage.

Edit: Everything Wish12oz said +1

[Akujima]

I'm done with negative pessimistic people who just wanna run $#!% their own way and PI$$ on everyone else who presents a creative argument.

Have fun in your pseudo-FF world where you can't do anything other than calculate the next equation, and flash your new studs so that the "lesser folk" can spam /check you, after you come back from shopping at the "Abyssea Mall". Just let logistics run your entire life, and to hell with creativity, personality and character, because they're dead in such a society. Live in your suburbs where every building looks the same, and every person has the same kind of car, every wardrobe is shaded pastel that camouflages itself into it's surroundings, every song on the radio is bland, played out and pretty much sounds the same, with no innovation or emotion whatsoever.

Because that is certainly the way I forsee FFXI slowly becoming..

I'll go back to the underground, where the minority still has integrity, morals and dignity. The biggest mistake I made was expecting any of you to believe in some kind of change, but rather you hold to the current system that's already in place, defending it whole heartedly. So why change the game at all? What's the point in even having these forums, if people can't even speak their minds on new creative idea's that hold true to Final Fantasy nostalgia? No, now it's time to gang up against the one who stands out amongst the crowd, because god forbid, that anyone be different.

Now I await the final drone responses, riddled with predictability and cliched insults.

I'm out.

[Kuishen]

Obviously you don't understand the chess metaphor at all "bro".

It takes no skill to be able to kiss @$$ (sry, maybe it takes @$$ kissing skill) to be in line for all the best gear, getting your whole LS to camp empyrean weapon NM's for you, and give you all the coins, cards, stones, jewels needed for your uber set of gear. While you stand in 1 spot, smashing 1~2 macro's in order get the highest dmg.

Even World of Warcraft had better boss mechanics, at least there were times when disengaging from the enemy was a smart thing to do, or backing up and using distance to the advantage.

But, guess what? FFXI is turning into a button mashing-fest, where everyones so happy to have +300 STR and 3000 HP. Because the bigger the better. But that's just the popular mentality, and you lack the imagination needed to even come up with creative ideas, but rather just spew the same #$@% that is already in the game.

If you STILL haven't realized, I'm talking about putting throwing back into the game that is viable.

But all you can do is gang up with everyone else slapping Naruto insults on me, because you lack individuality and can't fight your own battles.

Oh my GOD you are stupid. Seriously. Do you read your posts before you push the reply button? You're dodging everybody's counter-arguments and insulting both the game and anybody who doesn't agree with you. Shut up and go home, you've lost any credibility, if you even had any to begin with.

[Karbuncle]

Akuji, Call this whatever you want, Cliche or not.

But have you presented even 1 coherent, realistic idea to improving throwing, that doesn't require a nerf to Dual Wield or Haste?

I'm genuinely Curious if even you yourself can think of any single way to improve throwing that doesn't involve a nerf in some way.

[wish12oz]

Lots of stuff that doesn't pertain to my response.

Why don't you respond to me?
I posted exactly why throwing does not work.

[Akujima]

Why don't you respond to me?
I posted exactly why throwing does not work.

Ok, do that exact same equation, but now with Sange, and not just 1 regular throw. do it without low level shuriken. Factor in that you're not always standing in 1 spot, or that you might have to run out of range because a mob is doing some nasty AoE's that you would probably die from, in the meantime you could be doing ranged attack damage.

[Kazen]

He already did that, did you read anything he posted at all?

The level of the shuriken and sange does not matter. He could use lvl 48 katanas to make the equation more "equal" and the result would still be greatly in favor of the katanas.

[wish12oz]

Ok, do that exact same equation, but now with Sange, and not just 1 regular throw with low level shuriken.

I already explained why sange doesn't work in another thread, but it's the same thing, you lose between 4 and 8 attack rounds using sange and recasting utsu ni.

4-8 rounds is 12->24 attacks worth of damage and tp gain. Sange doesn't come close to this, if you can prove it does, go for it. I just said how much it needs to do to keep up, if you can prove it can do this much, you can prove it can be useful.

I also didn't give exact damage numbers, I only gave delays, and # of attacks, and amount of TP.
If your throwing damage can exceed 6 melee attacks worth of damage and tp gain, then throwing can be better. It just doesn't do that much, unless you're incredibly gimp, or have super duper amazing effing shurikens, like 500+ base damage.

[Akujima]

He already did that, did you read anything he posted at all?

The level of the shuriken and sange does not matter. He could use lvl 48 katanas to make the equation more "equal" and the result would still be greatly in favor of the katanas.

Sure, but the point you fail to see is that there IS no high level shuriken.

Ah hell, why am I still doing this, most of don't bother to open their mind to new idea's anyways lol... It's like one of those painters who just throw paint blotches and scribble on a canvass, calling it "creative".

[Karbuncle]

Sure, but the point you fail to see is that there IS no low level shuriken.

Ah hell, why am I still doing this, most of don't bother to open their mind to new idea's anyways lol... It's like one of those painters who just throw paint blotches and scribble on a canvass, calling it "creative".

have you presented even 1 coherent, realistic idea to improving throwing, that doesn't require a nerf to Dual Wield or Haste?

If you're So Creative and can think outside of the box, answer me that question please.

Cause I've honestly sat down and tried to think of Realistic ways to Adjust Throwing as an Ability for Ninja and nothing i have come up with is anything short of Breaking the game.

I have Tried and its just the way FFXI works would make it completely unrealistic.