Thief Treasure Hunter

[FrankReynolds]

Wouldn't it be great if they just made a permanent KI from a NM fight that gave TH+8 and didn't stack with gear so that once you had it, you didn't need to swap in TH gear any more?

Or, made an ammo item with +8 that didn't stack with other TH+ from gear?

Wouldn't that be nice? I mean I know they want us to have to choose, but isn't just bringing a thief at all a big enough sacrifice to DPS as it is?

On a related note, you will now be able to dual wield apothic kukris. Weeee!

[Rustic]

tbh, it's easy

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only, and make a new knife with the same properties.

It would stop people for thief's knifing things to death as well.

Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

TK is so omnipresent because it carries a unique effect on it as a weapon. Said effect, if duplicated on a dual-wieldable weapon will result in people simply wielding both to get the maximum TH possible.

I've said it before- the best way to fix it is to simply render any better weapon with a TH bonus so blatantly NOT for dealing damage that we can just be the droprate generator they want us to be and can't even try to whine about us not hurting the mob. If S-E gave us, say "Golden Gloves" with relatively low DMG, Treasure Hunter +3, and bonuses to proccing TH+, I can guarantee you they'd become required THF gear just for the TH bonus alone. That's how important drop rates are to people. We'd become the characters that literally punch the mob until all the good candy comes out.

Or, if something negates Thief's Knife by wielding it to get better TH, we'd be stuck wielding THAT instead. Because loot is the biggest reason you want a Thief in there. Not damage, not anything else. Loot.

[Daemon]

Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

That can't happen if SE made both unstackable.

[OmnysValefor]

Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

You should have read what I said when you replied to what I said.

[Daemon]

You should have read what I said when you replied to what I said.

Yeah he did say it but its ok at first I was confused too.

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only

[Karbuncle]

Add a Piece of ARMOR (Visible or not, Something other than weapon) That has something like...:

Thief's Band
(ring)
Fluffstat(Or not)
Latent Effect: Treasure Hunter +1
Lv.90~+?

Latent Active when Thief's Knife is not equipped. This removes the need to wear a weapon that will nerf us, and will be as convenient as Gloves/Feet currently are (Easily equipped/removed without hurting out DPS so badly)

Best solution. Period.

Short of a permanent Key Item.

[Daemon]

Best solution. Period.

Short of a permanent Key Item.

Sacrificing ring slot to make it happen? I dunno which one, eponas or Rajas? Unless it makes no difference equipping TH full time.

[Daemon]

TH Past 3/4 is so vastly underwhelming its basically a placebo, so unless you plan on parsing 1,000~2,000 kills you'll never eyeball the difference in TH4 and TH5+. If you think you have? you're wrong, wrongo, wrongsies, wrongomatic, pick your favorite interpretation or made up "wrong" word from the list but you're it.

Well I'm sorry but I do have to disagree even though you say I am wrong but I've spent hours trying to farm gorget quest items in SEA and from having Theif sub plus Tarutaru sash with TH1 VS Max TH on thief. I've noticed drops were better as Thief than using it as a sub.

I've done SEA endless hours enough to puke and never go back for a good while that although the difference isn't as massive as TH1 and Max TH, over time I could tell there is a difference from TH3/4 vs Max TH.

[Karbuncle]

Sacrificing ring slot to make it happen? I dunno which one, eponas or Rajas? Unless it makes no difference equipping TH full time.

It'd be a Macro swap piece that doesn't involve wasting your TP away. If you're mass farming for an extended period, any good THF would tell you the DPS Gained from throwing your Thief's Knife off the nearest window would far outweigh its TH+1, and fulltiming TH Gear at all for more than "1 big kill" like say, Behemoth or something where max TH wouldn't hurt is nothing short of unreasonable siding on insane.

I will stick by that 10,000%. Putting on Max TH Gear (Minus THF knife) for the first hit then switching to your DPS gear will always give you better drops per hour than fulltiming TH Gear or a Thief's Knife.

I should note, I'm saying this not knowing if you Fulltime TH Gear so its not meaning a direct insult to you... If you happen to fulltime TH Gear then it comes off as an indirect insult and i apologize, But you should never fulltime TH gear, ever. If you're on THF, TH6 is more than enough, TH7+ while nice, is not worth the DPS lost, it just simply isn't,

Again there are some extenuating circumstanced, but for the common farming situation, Its not wise to Fulltime it.

Well I'm sorry but I do have to disagree even though you say I am wrong but I've spent hours trying to farm gorget quest items in SEA and from having Theif sub plus Tarutaru sash with TH1 VS Max TH on thief. I've noticed drops were better as Thief than using it as a sub.

I've done SEA endless hours enough to puke and never go back for a good while that although the difference isn't as massive as TH1 and Max TH, over time I could tell there is a difference from TH3/4 vs Max TH.

On items like Sea pieces where they have a noticeably high drop rate already, the drop % increase would be a tad more noticeable i suppose. But TH3/4 (mostly 4.) and TH7+ the drop rate you notice on those isn't as high as you may suspect, if your parsed yourself you'd see they're probably within 5% of eachother or less, and in the long run fulltiming TH Gear is hindering your kills/hr, I explained it above.

Edit: PS if you do Fulltime TH Gear, do me a favor and stop. You're better than that.

[Daemon]

It'd be a Macro swap piece that doesn't involve wasting your TP away. If you're mass farming for an extended period, any good THF would tell you the DPS Gained from throwing your Thief's Knife off the nearest window would far outweigh its TH+1, and fulltiming TH Gear at all for more than "1 big kill" like say, Behemoth or something where max TH wouldn't hurt is nothing short of unreasonable siding on insane.

I will stick by that 10,000%. Putting on Max TH Gear (Minus THF knife) for the first hit then switching to your DPS gear will always give you better drops per hour than fulltiming TH Gear or a Thief's Knife.

I should note, I'm saying this not knowing if you Fulltime TH Gear so its not meaning a direct insult to you... If you happen to fulltime TH Gear then it comes off as an indirect insult and i apologize, But you should never fulltime TH gear, ever. If you're on THF, TH6 is more than enough, TH7+ while nice, is not worth the DPS lost, it just simply isn't,

Again there are some extenuating circumstanced, but for the common farming situation, Its not wise to Fulltime it.



On items like Sea pieces where they have a noticeably high drop rate already, the drop % increase would be a tad more noticeable i suppose. But TH3/4 (mostly 4.) and TH7+ the drop rate you notice on those isn't as high as you may suspect, if your parsed yourself you'd see they're probably within 5% of eachother or less, and in the long run fulltiming TH Gear is hindering your kills/hr, I explained it above.

Edit: PS if you do Fulltime TH Gear, do me a favor and stop. You're better than that.

I've never full timed TH gear unless I'm lazy to hit macros on stuff that doesn't require changing multiple gears for mobs that die fast and items that drop too quick to make a difference.

The point is, if SE does intend to upgrade thief, I'm just sharing ideas to give us better things than asking us to use several pieces to do 1 task thats is no longer efficient since inventory is an issue.