Thief Treasure Hunter

[OmnysValefor]

Tbh, I don't come thf to anything serious, because who brings thf to anything serious, but when I'm on thf, I know why I'm on thf. I fulltime TH gear, not knife, for that.

I'm on thief because someone wants a drop. It'd be one thing if it was a competitive DD, but it's not.

[Daemon]

Tbh, I don't come thf to anything serious, because who brings thf to anything serious, but when I'm on thf, I know why I'm on thf. I fulltime TH gear, not knife, for that.

I'm on thief because someone wants a drop. It'd be one thing if it was a competitive DD, but it's not.

I agree with you. But as Matsui is adding new things in the new direction he is taking all of us. I'm hoping he doesn't leave out details on every job such as Thief, and as we continue to make suggestions, I also hope he can use them to make better adjustment for these jobs that we play at heart.

[FrankReynolds]

Best solution is a KI or an ammo item that gives the max equipment value of TH+ and does no require / allow you to wear the other gear.

Anything else is a sacrifice that thieves don't need to make. They are already unused and generally unwanted without having to sacrifice damage or other utility.

[Falseliberty]

Gonna be more blunt about it than most, just by you equipping thf's knife ur auto gimp and ur doing it wrong
Kill speed > placebo. Ur get more drops over time by killing faster. When dynamis was a thing a lot of thfs was like "How come I can only get 100-120 coins? For Christs sake take off that evasion gear, and eat att food would ya?

[detlef]

Gonna be more blunt about it than most, just by you equipping thf's knife ur auto gimp and ur doing it wrong
Kill speed > placebo. Ur get more drops over time by killing faster. When dynamis was a thing a lot of thfs was like "How come I can only get 100-120 coins? For Christs sake take off that evasion gear, and eat att food would ya?

That logic pretty much applies only to Dynamis. For anything where the THF will not be the primary source of damage, it's probably more logical to full time your TH gear. What other reason could there be for you to be there if not to provide TH?

[Falseliberty]

That logic pretty much applies only to Dynamis. For anything where the THF will not be the primary source of damage, it's probably more logical to full time your TH gear. What other reason could there be for you to be there if not to provide TH?

What zone doesn't benefit from killing crap faster? salvage 2.0? me and my dnc buddy clear the whole dam zone, ain't doing that by equipping some TK. NNI? linen pouch and gear drop is 100% + plat strat.. again kill speed
VW? procs, use a real dagger to speed up the zzzz so you can get ur logs and get out already
Adoulin content? skirmish, nope nothing to do with TH, delve? You think that 1% is gonna make it rain airlixers that are worth a whopping 9k, hell even delve boss drops are even 100%.
In short TK = gimp

But maybe ur right! maybe I should just tag the mob with TH and go afk like every other thf and watch old family guy episodes on netflix or w/e

[FrankReynolds]

What zone doesn't benefit from killing crap faster? salvage 2.0? me and my dnc buddy clear the whole dam zone, ain't doing that by equipping some TK. NNI? linen pouch and gear drop is 100% + plat strat.. again kill speed
VW? procs, use a real dagger to speed up the zzzz so you can get ur logs and get out already
Adoulin content? skirmish, nope nothing to do with TH, delve? You think that 1% is gonna make it rain airlixers that are worth a whopping 9k, hell even delve boss drops are even 100%.
In short TK = gimp

But maybe ur right! maybe I should just tag the mob with TH and go afk like every other thf and watch old family guy episodes on netflix or w/e

Here's to not getting it!

[Karbuncle]

IDK, I think they got it. I don't think they're saying we shouldn't get a replacement for it, just that in its current state of affairs its quite worthless to even have on you.

Oh and that pretty much every THF Adapts the "IF IM DERE I SHUD TRESUR HUNTR OKY?" and uses that as an excuse to completely half ass the job to the point they're gimper than sin and try to justify it with "I'm only here to TH". So yah, I hate Thief's who say that kind of crap like it means they got a free ride to being gimp and useless outside of hitting the mob then AFK Netflix.

Just because you're invited to get drops doesn't mean you should be stupid about it. "Max TH" is the truest form of a big fat placebo pill. As a THF Main, Anything past 6 is doing next to nothing. While the Law of Probability may mean that it doesn't do absolutely nothing, That law also means you might open your dryer and find your clothes already folded from tumbling... Which the odds of happening are so infinitely low that.. well, incidentally is probably the same odds that you'd of got the drop if your TH was just one more higher.

I really don't mean to be harsh about it but too many a Thief adapt the "Its okay I'm gimp" mindset and use Treasure hunter as a Justification. Theres a good Thief on FFXIAH who's parsed just 0.5% Behind an Oatix MNK on tojil runs and even above another simply from playing right and they TH'd the mobs just fine and likely contributing more to the success of the run than your average Pick up DD ever could.

here:

After people started leaving, I jumped my THF to the main DD party and the results weren't bad. First run had me at 14%, drg 15%, mnks 16%/16%/18%/18%. Second run had me at 17.5%, mnks at 16%/17.8%/18%/18% and one pickup mnk at 10%; my damage picked up a bit because I wasn't sharing piercing weak with the drg anymore. Third run we wiped because being a DD, main curing and being the only stunner is a bad idea. Seems alt+tab'ing can only do so much. I don't run a bot, so people died, stun resisted and we wiped.

And also, the core members of my group are all top tier players, have mostly capped gear and everyone has mega boss weapons, and know how to play their job well, so I'm not parsing against a bunch of gimps.

here: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36...hief/16/#reply

Thief can be good and TH Too, You just have to not suck, not be lazy, and not use TH as an excuse to fulltime a sh*t stain of a dagger.

[Daemon]

IDK, I think they got it. I don't think they're saying we shouldn't get a replacement for it, just that in its current state of affairs its quite worthless to even have on you.

Oh and that pretty much every THF Adapts the "IF IM DERE I SHUD TRESUR HUNTR OKY?" and uses that as an excuse to completely half ass the job to the point they're gimper than sin and try to justify it with "I'm only here to TH". So yah, I hate Thief's who say that kind of crap like it means they got a free ride to being gimp and useless outside of hitting the mob then AFK Netflix.

One of my LS buddies was helping me fight Kukulkan as a Thief, also the other friend was on MNK while the other was on DRK. Man I swear Its rare to see people play their job to the fullest. He did just that by running back and forth using collaborator and then directing enmity on to the other DD when one of them got petrified. I never saw anyone play Theif as skilled as him.

Then again these days we barely even have events that allow us to play together like that.

I love low man parties. Kinda tired of doing these 18 man events, or seeing how WR allows 150+. Sprites of others don't even show. You cannot even Skillchain / magic burst.

What happened to the days we did stuff with strategy? Yet VW and Abyssea pretty much made it simple with Proc system, temps, cruor buffs.

And WR leaves no room for skill and strategies.

Every event is either limited on time therefore no time to show skills and strategy, or the event has too many people to do anything organized.

[FrankReynolds]

IDK, I think they got it. I don't think they're saying we shouldn't get a replacement for it, just that in its current state of affairs its quite worthless to even have on you.

Oh and that pretty much every THF Adapts the "IF IM DERE I SHUD TRESUR HUNTR OKY?" and uses that as an excuse to completely half ass the job to the point they're gimper than sin and try to justify it with "I'm only here to TH". So yah, I hate Thief's who say that kind of crap like it means they got a free ride to being gimp and useless outside of hitting the mob then AFK Netflix.

Just because you're invited to get drops doesn't mean you should be stupid about it. "Max TH" is the truest form of a big fat placebo pill. As a THF Main, Anything past 6 is doing next to nothing. While the Law of Probability may mean that it doesn't do absolutely nothing, That law also means you might open your dryer and find your clothes already folded from tumbling... Which the odds of happening are so infinitely low that.. well, incidentally is probably the same odds that you'd of got the drop if your TH was just one more higher.

I really don't mean to be harsh about it but too many a Thief adapt the "Its okay I'm gimp" mindset and use Treasure hunter as a Justification. Theres a good Thief on FFXIAH who's parsed just 0.5% Behind an Oatix MNK on tojil runs and even above another simply from playing right and they TH'd the mobs just fine and likely contributing more to the success of the run than your average Pick up DD ever could.

here:

here: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36...hief/16/#reply

Thief can be good and TH Too, You just have to not suck, not be lazy, and not use TH as an excuse to fulltime a sh*t stain of a dagger.

There's another side to that coin. All the effort and awesome sauce in the world isn't going to change the fact that you are in the mage / tank party and you're not getting the cool buffs like everyone else. I've won lots of parses on thief simply because if the fight lasts more than ten seconds, the Warriors and Sams and Monks usually spend half of it in -PDT gear trying not to die, while I happily plug away and shed hate on them. But let's be honest. Most groups aren't giving the thief any buffs. That guy got lucky to be in a group / LS that gives two craps about what the thief is up to.

If I see a thief in a DD party, fully song/haste/rolled rocking TK the whole fight, yeah... he's a douche. But most of the time, that guy has no buffs and his damage is doing nothing to help the group either way.

Personally I'd like to remove TH from the game entirely. Or at least make it strictly passive so that people don't have to gear around it.