Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

How is your situation worse than mine? You chose to level jobs you don't enjoy playing or only enjoy playing as long as you can choose the roll they should play. I'm also sorry you can't always go on the job you want to. Life is hard. Perfect reasoning for why SMN deserves special treatment in this event.

Thank you for imparting me with the "Simple truth". Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM. It depends on what I see before I go out there. After I get there however I can't control what else comes after that.

Simple Truth(TM), you are self centered and greedy just like a few of the other people that have chosen to say they deserve special treatment (at the expense of others) and that everyone else that doesn't like it can gtfo.

[RAIST]

Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM.

wait... what?

Original Post:

So I was doing Colonization Reives in Morimar Basalt Fields today. I was on WHM having a great time healing my party, buffing, doing my job, etc... when out of no where come 4 summoners and that's when things went down hill.

Because Summoner BP's seem to have no boundaries in terms of party/alliance they are going to completely rain down epic fails on the point gains of other support class jobs. I went from 500~700 Bayld per tally to 100 if lucky because all 4 Summoners were spamming BP's. That was with my trying to spam curaga to keep up.

BP's in Reives needs limited to party only or this is going to become PLD + SMN + DD only event.

Sure sounds like this thread basically exists because some summoners reduced your rewards from curing on WHM.

I'd imagine that's probably why it keeps coming back up. Or am I missing some hidden message? Do I need to make a Super Secret Spy Decoder?

[Malphius]

Because Summoner BP's seem to have no boundaries in terms of party/alliance they are going to completely rain down epic fails on the point gains of other support class jobs. I went from 500~700 Bayld per tally to 100 if lucky because all 4 Summoners were spamming BP's. That was with my trying to spam curaga to keep up.

You're right I did mention WHM first. What I should have more properly said was that I was never making this about WHM vs SMN. Also in the original post I said "other support class jobs" which has been what all this has been about. It was after this point that WHM kept being brought back into this. I would be making the same statements regardless of what mage job I was on.

And you were right the first time when you said "killed" my rewards.

[Mizuharu]

Reives are Campaign Battles (more or less.) Because it was near impossible for SMN to get any exp in Campaign Battles, Square-Enix made it so that Blood Pacts (which we can only use every 45secs with gear btw) will affect all with allied tags so that they may obtain exp/allied notes. Same thing with Reives.

I say the game is working as intended. SMNs have it hard enough at everything that isn't Walk of Echoes and Campaign Battles (talking about events where you need large numbers.) SMNs were only brought to other things to Perfect Defense. But those were all just alts people burned to alexander. And then the Perfect Defense patch comes in, and back to no more summoners.

So give Summoners a break.

[Rekin]

If your argument is to level the playing field then WHM/RDM/SCH/etc shouldn't be allowed to heal/buff/anything to anyone outside their own parties as well. Additionally they must suffer universal 45sec cool downs on all their spells after using any single one of them. Hows that for balance.

[Ketaru]

Just thought I'd chime in with 2 comments in response to no one in particular but:

1) You all know it would be epic if the party restriction on Healing Breeze was lifted. We'd all come /BLU and spam it all day. Nobody would ever die again.

2) BST's Lucky Lulush- God, I love that rabbit- is just as capable of healing like a Summoner boss with Wild Carrot. I don't why the rest of you guys were showing up with the hippogryph or slug. But after doing a few Reives as a BST with rarab, I'm never doing Reive as RDM again. Being able to mass heal 20 or so people is just that much more rewarding in Bayld.

[Kaeoni]

Community effort? Hastes for everyone? Group cures?

Who needs that when you can just wipe because your Whm/Sch/Rdm's ect can't:

Target you fast enough through 50+ targets,
See your life bars 24/7,
Accidently try curing themselves, because you blinked your gear.

Clearly the answer is staring us straight in the face.

[Demon6324236]

How is your situation worse than mine? You chose to level jobs you don't enjoy playing or only enjoy playing as long as you can choose the roll they should play. I'm also sorry you can't always go on the job you want to. Life is hard. Perfect reasoning for why SMN deserves special treatment in this event.

My thoughts exactly, we can not make every job useful in every event, WHM is useful in almost every single event, so is SCH, or really any healing job, those DDs aren't going to heal themselves after all! Jobs like SMN with healing powers restricted to parties are often worthless in healing though, they can only heal their party, they must take up a useful spot for DDs or buffers, where as WHM, SCH, RDM, even PLD, can cure across an Alliance or outside of a party. Sounds like a great reason to give SMN special treatment, I agree.

As for my situation being worse... In the event we are talking about WHM specifically, you are needed in almost every single event in the game, the few which you are not amazing in are low man events, where SCH excels, like Salvage, or Meeble Burrows. However, RDM, thats a job no one wants anywhere really, we can do it all, but were masters of none. BLU has us beat when you want a DD who can provide some lighter support, so no calling on us for that, SCH thrashes our abilities of Light and Dark magic alone, WHM and BLM obviously beat us in both of the individual magic fields, and DDs crush our melee damage because our gear is lousy. So how are our jobs different? How is my situation worse? WHMs, SCHs, they get called on for a few different events, people take them places often, RDM is left in a corner, so to see you complaining about a single event where you are not very effective and you feel as though these jobs are unfairly left out, it makes me realize just how you fail to understand my position. I would kill to be able to use my RDM in most event and be excluded from an event or two because of another job, instead, I am excluded from almost every event, and only brought when no one else will come and I am willing to. No offense, but don't you dare try to compare your situation of being left out of an event or two to my situation I have been stuck with for more than a couple years as RDM.

Simple Truth(TM), you are self centered and greedy just like a few of the other people that have chosen to say they deserve special treatment (at the expense of others) and that everyone else that doesn't like it can gtfo.

Yes, I am self centered and greedy, I use my SMN in here so much. Here, allow me to link you to my character on AH.com where you can see my Lv6 SMN...

See that? Not self centered, not benefiting from this at all in any way that you are not if you come as a melee job, in fact, I get punished, I get SMNs casting haste on me, an annoyance as a RDM where my Haste lasts well over 3 times as long as theirs. Tell me, how I am self centered again?

[Metalgod]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

I actually see no reason to nerf smn in colonization reives. They benefit the group by powercuring and aoe buffing the masses. I went and did SMN/WHM and WAR/SAM tonite and saw no real difference in my SMN getting bayld and my other character on war spamming fell cleave and fury.

[Caketime]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

Yes. It's awesome.