Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[RAIST]

You're splitting hairs. THF just tags. Not needed but better drops. SMN can handle it w/o a THF.

But the THF hits it, so it's not soloing.

And, if you time it right, you actually can proc NM's in Abyssea. Now, that would be truly solo... but in many cases, it's not a picnic. Some are far easier on NIN, for example... but with far more options to proc with. Oh wait....I just let the cat out of the bag, didn't I? NIN is broken because it can solo stuff....ZOMG! NERF NIN!

/sarcasm

[Demon6324236]

Legion, Odin 2.0, Voidwatch, abyssea solos.

That... thats funny, Abyssea is part of where SMN is balanced? When it gets a single atma which works amazingly for it? Odin, Legion, these events are not balanced for SMN, they are events where you used PD and ShockSquall because you could not live without PD and you wanted stuns, so you used the SMN for SS because you wanted to make at least some use out of it after PD.

[Malphius]

It's not unfair if it balances out the playing field.

Again, without this mechanic, SMN is virtually useless in reives for gaining XP/Bayld.

And I never said the need to GTFO or lolmelee... and by the way, a decently geared WHM is not exactly lolmelee. Granted, 1k+ hexa's pale in comparison to a 3k+ Shoha.... but considering you're using a toothpick and not a big sword, it's pretty impressive for a mage to pull off.

The point is, you can change your approach. How did Einstein put it? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You can switch up your playstyle and melee if you want. You can move to the other side. You can stop following that herd and go to another reive that's not so heavy with SMN's.

It's also not too far fetched to apply your logic to other compa\onents....PLD has an unfair advantage in lair reives and needs to be changed....BRD, SMN, RDM, and BLM shouldn't be able to keep all the mobs slept off to the side of a palm tree while everyone beats on it because people can't get any good xp off the reive.

Do you see the slope yet?

SMN is not "broken" on this event. If anything, it's more a blessing because it allows others to participate in a way that might not otherwise happen. For instance, there might not be anyone fighting the mobs--they could ust sleep everything, beat down the obstruction, ending it with virtually no rewards given at all. BECAUSE SMN can sustain the fighters like it does, it is able to be extended so everyone gets rewarded more in the long run because they are able to achieve various gols that would not be possible without people actually fighting the monsters.

1. It's not leveling the playing field. It's destroying it in favor of SMN.

2. You do not know that and based off my on use of Cure 4 I find it a dubious claim. Regardless again that would be for SE to adjust as well with point gains.

3. You are saying exactly that with your argument you won't just admit it. In fact you just did just almost say it directly. Again telling a mage to melee. You've seen a 1k hexa on a root? Cause WHM sure won't last out in the open swinging at the PLD's mobs.

4. You're right for once. It's insane to try and get you to acknowledge any sort of reason. I'm going to stop.

5. PLD does not have an unfair advantage. If functions exactly the same in Reives as it does every where else in the game. BLM or BLU can sleep anything they want anywhere in the game. Again these are the standard operating mechanics of those jobs. I also would argue that trying to keep all these slept is suicide but to each his own. A well organized group could probably swing it.

6. I do see the slope. A very uphill battle to meet or even come close to performing a support job roll vs a SMN in Reives.

7. Only DD get rewarded with this broken game play mechanic. All the other mages get told to go away or melee.

You really do fail to see any of my points from anything other than someone that really likes to play SMN and anything for SMN is just.

[Malphius]

That... thats funny, Abyssea is part of where SMN is balanced? When it gets a single atma which works amazingly for it? Odin, Legion, these events are not balanced for SMN, they are events where you used PD and ShockSquall because you could not live without PD and you wanted stuns, so you used the SMN for SS because you wanted to make at least some use out of it after PD.

Please quote me as saying SMN was balanced in abyssea. I infact just said that abyssea shut out many jobs not just SMN. Abyssea was also unbalanced from a proc perspective. I did say that SMN is able to solo most things in abyssea with the right atmas. Something that is not in dispute as I can see.

[Alhanelem]

You get a time out penalty for leaving a reive. Again not upset they're useful. However it's useful to the point of being unbalanced. Thank you for your comments.

You don't leave the rieve, you pick a side to stand on before it starts.

[Malphius]

You don't leave the rieve, you pick a side to stand on before it starts.

But I was told to just go to the other side! It's very easy and all.

[Demon6324236]

Please quote me as saying SMN was balanced in abyssea. I infact just said that abyssea shut out many jobs not just SMN. Abyssea was also unbalanced from a proc perspective. I did say that SMN is able to solo most things in abyssea with the right atmas. Something that is not in dispute as I can see.

Last line of the post you quoted in your post.

Speaking of unbalanced event, could you even name 1 or 2 events in the whole game balanced for SMN?

Looked like you were replying to that part, in which case, you were claiming it was balanced.

The fact you are using Abyssea as an example of why SMN should be ok anyways is stupid in and of itself as Abyssea is irrelevant in this matter. The content is stupid easy, it has been for a long time, there is no reason why this should be an excuse for SMN to be nerfed in this content.

Wanna know what though, your whining, acting like SMN is some mega OP job which is stealing your ability to do anything, guess what, the job has few real uses. Uses, not abuses, people abused it in things like Odin and Legion, using it for only a single ability and nothing more, after which they used it for another ability which is not as good as its primary use, or other jobs performing the same action. Another event this job has use in is WoE, Walk of Echoes is another area which follows these same rules even. It has mobs which have Alliance hate, same as here, it allows BPs to hit everyone in or out of Alliance, same as here, its fairly similar, and guess what, its fine, because it works!

[Spiritmage]

I don't know if I missed anything or not, but by skimming these posts from the last several hours, it seems like you're the only one that has it out for SMN over this.

[Malphius]

Last line of the post you quoted in your post.

Looked like you were replying to that part, in which case, you were claiming it was balanced.

The fact you are using Abyssea as an example of why SMN should be ok anyways is stupid in and of itself as Abyssea is irrelevant in this matter. The content is stupid easy, it has been for a long time, there is no reason why this should be an excuse for SMN to be nerfed in this content.

Wanna know what though, your whining, acting like SMN is some mega OP job which is stealing your ability to do anything, guess what, the job has few real uses. Uses, not abuses, people abused it in things like Odin and Legion, using it for only a single ability and nothing more, after which they used it for another ability which is not as good as its primary use, or other jobs performing the same action. Another event this job has use in is WoE, Walk of Echoes is another area which follows these same rules even. It has mobs which have Alliance hate, same as here, it allows BPs to hit everyone in or out of Alliance, same as here, its fairly similar, and guess what, its fine, because it works!

I was very specific when I said abyssea solo. Don't see how that could be misconstrued.

I didn't say SMN should be nerfed. I've never said that. Again the SMN community putting words in my mouth. I said the event needs adjusting. The result is SMN loses an ability it can't use anywhere else in the game.

I can't talk about Abyssea but you can talk about WoE? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

People still use SMN and PD in Odin and Legion. Present day. Not abused at all. If you don't do these events that's your fault. I've saw huge offensive BP numbers in Legion. Maybe it's the players not the job?

How many SMN's do you see in WoE btw? Hoards. You're helping me here as that part of my position has been that this is a tactic you will start seeing more and more as this expansion goes on.

[Svens]

Considering the tight quarters for colonization/lair reives filled to the brim with enemies capable of heavy AoE damage to everyone regardless of party/alliance status, I for one welcome our SMN overlords.